I barred two members today

[mnTIMIDguy]

People sure seem to let their buttons get pushed around here.

I can see a person getting banned for technical issues, like if he tried to bring the site down by hacking it or overwhelming it with thousands of messages an hour.

But banning a person because he's obnoxious, stupid, hateful, etc? Nah.

I've not looked around, but I assume there's a way for any "person x" to put any "person y" on ignore from the perspective of "person x" (but in a way that lets others still see "person y" contributions.

Perhaps a feature could be created that shows how many people have placed "person y" on ignore. It might be a good feature for newcomers to see so they can get an idea of whom to be leary of.

But to ban "person y" because of what he thinks/feels/says? Even if he's capable of pushing peoples' buttons? Nah. We can do better than that.

[slipnslide]

People sure seem to let their buttons get pushed around here.

I can see a person getting banned for technical issues, like if he tried to bring the site down by hacking it or overwhelming it with thousands of messages an hour.

But banning a person because he's obnoxious, stupid, hateful, etc? Nah.

I've not looked around, but I assume there's a way for any "person x" to put any "person y" on ignore from the perspective of "person x" (but in a way that lets others still see "person y" contributions.

Perhaps a feature could be created that shows how many people have placed "person y" on ignore. It might be a good feature for newcomers to see so they can get an idea of whom to be leary of.

But to ban "person y" because of what he thinks/feels/says? Even if he's capable of pushing peoples' buttons? Nah. We can do better than that.

Read the forum dude. Unless you're promiscuous and irresponsible you're not wanted here.

[falcondfw]

mnTimid,

"But banning a person because he's obnoxious, stupid, hateful, etc? Nah. "

Congratulations, you just described slip. And yes, it is easy to put someone on ignore. Unfortunately, new people do not have the inside knowledge of who to put on ignore. That is what Aeon was banned for and that is why slip is being such an ass.

Joan (Aeon) was banned for attacking first posters on the forums and saying they were not really bisexual (maybe, because they did not follow the exact path joan thought bisexuals should follow, which included hating men, especially bisexual men, thinking every bisexual man had aids or was at least hiv+ and would pass it on to her if they breathed the same air she did, and a host of other things.). In fairness to joan, she seemed an intelligent lady, but used that intelligence to advance her agenda. And when people disagreed with her, that is when she got personal.

Oh. and ignore what slip says. All are welcome here, even assholes like him. What he is too flustered (or dumb) to realize is if he really wants to get banned, he only has to not come back here. Seems pretty simple to me. But then, people like slip enjoy the drama and holding up the whole site to try and become a martyr. In reality, it only makes them pathetic.

[slipnslide]

mnTimid,

"But banning a person because he's obnoxious, stupid, hateful, etc? Nah. "

Congratulations, you just described slip. And yes, it is easy to put someone on ignore. Unfortunately, new people do not have the inside knowledge of who to put on ignore. That is what Aeon was banned for and that is why slip is being such an ass.

Joan (Aeon) was banned for attacking first posters on the forums and saying they were not really bisexual (maybe, because they did not follow the exact path joan thought bisexuals should follow, which included hating men, especially bisexual men, thinking every bisexual man had aids or was at least hiv+ and would pass it on to her if they breathed the same air she did, and a host of other things.). In fairness to joan, she seemed an intelligent lady, but used that intelligence to advance her agenda. And when people disagreed with her, that is when she got personal.

Oh. and ignore what slip says. All are welcome here, even assholes like him. What he is too flustered (or dumb) to realize is if he really wants to get banned, he only has to not come back here. Seems pretty simple to me. But then, people like slip enjoy the drama and holding up the whole site to try and become a martyr. In reality, it only makes them pathetic.

I've already asked that all my posts and account be deleted. I want nothing more to do with shitheads like you.

I came here as a joke. A laugh. Create a character and fuck with bi peoples heads. It has been funny at times but the crowd here now is sad. Ugly, I've checked out the profiles, and sad.

[littlerayofsunshine]

Someone apparently did try to hack and spam this site yet they're still allowed to post here. Notice how a sock puppet outintheworld is writing about another person who made a sockpuppet? Even this sock puppet of the hacker/spammer who is severely mentally ill claims he did not contact someone in the chat room on this site when he probably did but was manic.

I am curious as to how you jump to the conclusion that Tom was a Hacker? He said he went on a hack and slash, which would mean to me, and probably most sane people, a tirade or meltdown. You point your finger at an awful lot of people. Aeon, virgin and outintheworld included, you called them trolls/puppets and what not. You know the old adage about if you point your finger at someone? There are 4 pointing right back at you.

You appear to be telling on yourself by the sound of it all.

[falcondfw]

I've already asked that all my posts and account be deleted. I want nothing more to do with shitheads like you.

I came here as a joke. A laugh. Create a character and fuck with bi peoples heads. It has been funny at times but the crowd here now is sad. Ugly, I've checked out the profiles, and sad.

Sonny,
Go home. Yo mama is callin ya. And as for ugly, just look in the mirror. Better yet, examine your personality. It is about the ugliest thing remaining on this forum.
And why can't you seen to understand in that thick head of yours. Drew doesn't need to ban you. You just need to go away and stop coming here. That is all it takes to fulfill your wish.

[falcondfw]

Drew,
I am sorry this thread has taken these turns. You made a post about a difficult situation in which you felt you were forced to ban some long time, well known members. The thread has been hijacked and twisted every which way. I was part of that twisting and I apologize. This will be my last post on this thread.

[CelticBerserker]

Drugstore Cowboy- I notice how you carefully deleted most of what I said in your quote. Well played. Whatever. I'm not here to impress the likes of you.

Also, I have spoken truth with my original post. I've been dormant for a long time, and just wanted people to know that I am not behind this chaos.
The expression 'hack and slash' comes from Dungeons and Dragons. I believe it refers to unfocused mayhem in the absence of a carefully executed plan.

I simply made the mistake of trusting some people I should have avoided who ended up getting inside my head. The rest is history.

[csrakate]

Drugstore Cowboy- I notice how you carefully deleted most of what I said in your quote. Well played. Whatever. I'm not here to impress the likes of you.

Also, I have spoken truth with my original post. I've been dormant for a long time, and just wanted people to know that I am not behind this chaos.
The expression 'hack and slash' comes from Dungeons and Dragons. I believe it refers to unfocused mayhem in the absence of a carefully executed plan.

I simply made the mistake of trusting some people I should have avoided who ended up getting inside my head. The rest is history.

You don't need to explain yourself to Drugstore Cowboy of all people....we all know where he comes from. I can vouch for you Tom...I was present during that time and I had contact with you afterward. You were not yourself during that time....and you did manage to apologize to those you hurt. It's time to let that part of our history go and look to the future of this site as a more congenial, affable place to hang out.

And if I can impart any wisdom from this most recent chain of events....do NOT engage those who make it their business to speak out against individuals on this site. They are easy to recognize and quite often speak out against circumcision, bisexuals in the closet and POZphobia and quite often they launch attacks against people who are overweight, straight and married to bi's, or just simply FEMALE. I have been the target of this group over the years and were it not for the rest of the members here, I would have been long gone. We need to IGNORE them and remember who and what they are.....puppets who exist purely to wreak havoc among this membership. Their posts seem to make us all cranky....myself included. I am embarrassed that I have been far more combative these last few months than ever before...sticking my two cents in whether it makes a difference or not...That is not who I am....nor is it who I want to be.

I implore you all to put these people on ignore....do NOT engage them....do NOT argue with them....Do not feed into the vitriol they spew!

I'm off my soap box now....My pancakes are ready!!

[Realist]

Dang, that's a good one, Little Ray!

Well said, Kate.

It certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, if we all were a little more polite and considerate of each other.

[darkeyes]

Drugstore Cowboy- I notice how you carefully deleted most of what I said in your quote. Well played. Whatever. I'm not here to impress the likes of you.

'Tis his way Tom... is what he does... and splice together things u did say to make them say something completely different.. to wheedle, twist, corrupt what those who disagree with him and stand up to him say... unscrupulous, dishonest...

[darkeyes]

And if I can impart any wisdom from this most recent chain of events....do NOT engage those who make it their business to speak out against individuals on this site. They are easy to recognize and quite often speak out against circumcision,

Uhuh mumsie,,, I see.... as 1 who often has... and will never stop... wherever I am..

[csrakate]

Uhuh mumsie,,, I see.... as 1 who often has... and will never stop... wherever I am..

My bad, little tart....I guess I misspoke...I should have said that they love to start and agitate the threads about circumcision because it always gets heated....they love to point fingers at individuals who have less than popular opinions so that the argument stays contentious.....they very often resurrect old threads so that the forum is filled with threads about the subject. My apologies to those with strong beliefs about circumcision on either side of the debate who may think I was talking about them......this was not my effort to start up the debate. It's just that the circumcision debate seems to be part of their agenda and they like to keep it running.

[darkeyes]

My bad, little tart....I guess I misspoke...I should have said that they love to start and agitate the threads about circumcision because it always gets heated....they love to point fingers at individuals who have less than popular opinions so that the argument stays contentious.....they very often resurrect old threads so that the forum is filled with threads about the subject. My apologies to those with strong beliefs about circumcision on either side of the debate who may think I was talking about them......this was not my effort to start up the debate. It's just that the circumcision debate seems to be part of their agenda and they like to keep it running.

Wos playin' wivya Mumsie... but u kno that methinks...

...but 2 those who may not b aware.. Mumsie is dead rite.... they do make a big thing about circumcision and while I agree with what they say..how they say it, what they argue... and what they do is as counter productive my side of the debate as if I personally conducted circumcimsions myself..the kind of support they provide is support I can very well and would rather do without... and tbh.. me own personal view? They are plants... put there to discredit.. trolls.. ringers... but whichever side they are truly on... I think all of us would rather they didn't bother and would slink back under the slime covered rock never to be seen again.....

[Gearbox]

'Tis his way Tom... is what he does... and splice together things u did say to make them say something completely different.. to wheedle, twist, corrupt what those who disagree with him and stand up to him say... unscrupulous, dishonest...

Didn't you just carefully delete most of what Adria and Berserker said in his/hers/their quote?
"Well played"?

[darkeyes]

Didn't you just carefully delete most of what Adria and Berserker said in his/hers/their quote?
"Well played"?

Yes. but not with any intention of corrupting or changing meaning.. u know what I was doing.. don't play the smart arse with me, me luffly lil welsh windbag!!!

[tenni]

"You point your finger at an awful lot of people."

This is the confusing part for me. Some are bad puppets in some people's viewpoint while others see them not puppets but different viewpoints. Isn't it all about making judgments about other people's intentions?

"do NOT engage those who make it their business to speak out against individuals on this site."

Ok. That makes a lot of sense. It is the issue and not the person.

"They are easy to recognize and quite often speak out against circumcision, bisexuals in the closet and POZphobia and quite often they launch attacks against people who are overweight, straight and married to bi's, or just simply FEMALE."

Some of this makes sense to me and some of it leaves me scratching my head.

The obvious are attacks on people. What should be done when a person posts biphobic and anti bisexual messages though? What should happen when they deny that their words are slurs against bisexuals regardless of their gender or sexuality?

People do have differing viewpoints on circumcision, bisexuals who are politically out (to change it a bit and POZphobia. I would add Biphobia and Bi Invisibility. What should happen when views differ about bisexual behaviour and non bisexuals attempt to impose monosexual values? (aka this site is for everyone argument and they have as much right to comment about bisexuals etc.) The monosexuals who state that there are no bisexual values or morality..there are just morals? Again though the issue and not the person.

Oh..sorry I just read Cskate's next post 108...my bad...maybe

[tenni]

Yes. but not with any intention of corrupting or changing meaning.. u know what I was doing.. don't play the smart arse with me, me luffly lil welsh windbag!!!

I'm a big supporter of the near hour edit window regardless who self edits their words or thoughts

Editing another person's post to respond to is ok with me...usually...gee kinda hard to decide. What did she leave out Gear that you think that she should not have?

[csrakate]

Tenni,
It's about multiple personas on a site....personas that post information verbatim as different people....you KNOW it's from the same person. It's not always an issue that they attack...they also attack certain people and certain groups. I know this is an alien concept to you and I know it sounds like some sort of crazy conspiracy theory, but as someone who has been the butt of their attacks in the past, I have made it my business to follow the trend of these posters and it's no secret that it's the same person or group of persons posting over and over again. I say this also because I was privy to some information at another site of which I was a moderator which disclosed that this same person or group of people did the very same thing at THAT site. It's not about wanting to suppress information, it's about wanting to keep the peace and allow the forum to be a place where issues can be FAIRLY debated without the agitation of some malcontent who's only aim is to disrupt since they do nothing to positively promote any agenda. It's about people feeling comfortable to be here....without fear of being attacked or told they aren't truly bisexual if they are in the closet. It's about wanting to share and learn without someone poking fingers into places they don't belong...and I don't mean in a good way. We aren't here to make personal attacks and I can promise you that this certain person/group enjoys provoking such attacks.

[DuckiesDarling]

Tenni,
It's about multiple personas on a site....personas that post information verbatim as different people....you KNOW it's from the same person. It's not always an issue that they attack...they also attack certain people and certain groups. I know this is an alien concept to you and I know it sounds like some sort of crazy conspiracy theory, but as someone who has been the butt of their attacks in the past, I have made it my business to follow the trend of these posters and it's no secret that it's the same person or group of persons posting over and over again. I say this also because I was privy to some information at another site of which I was a moderator which disclosed that this same person or group of people did the very same thing at THAT site. It's not about wanting to suppress information, it's about wanting to keep the peace and allow the forum to be a place where issues can be FAIRLY debated without the agitation of some malcontent who's only aim is to disrupt since they do nothing to positively promote any agenda. It's about people feeling comfortable to be here....without fear of being attacked or told they aren't truly bisexual if they are in the closet. It's about wanting to share and learn without someone poking fingers into places they don't belong...and I don't mean in a good way. We aren't here to make personal attacks and I can promise you that this certain person/group enjoys provoking such attacks.

Bingo, it's not hard to see that when it's the same thing over and over it's obviously the same person. One even used the same picture til both profiles removed it. Shame.. I guess they think we are all just idiots. Problem is they come in claiming to be bisexual yet telling others they aren't bisexual if they aren't out sleeping around on partners or currently have one hand on a cock and the other around a boob, as was originally posted by Drew his definition is the ultimate one for this site. It's about attraction, you can argue til the cows come home about whether it is emotional or sexual but it's bottom line an attraction, however fluid, to both genders. Now can we just stop the argument here, two are gone, one good riddance, one.. jury still out in my mind but there are other issues I think about with that one and the posts, but we can move on as a site and continue to discuss bisexuality and the issues that affect bisexuals and their partners as well as world issues that affect all of us. Just my two cents...

[Gearbox]

Yes. but not with any intention of corrupting or changing meaning.. u know what I was doing.. don't play the smart arse with me, me luffly lil welsh windbag!!!

You both left out what Drugstsore was quoting from AND why he was quoting. It's not me who's being a smart arse, as from ONE QUIP - "Well played" your old friend gave YOU the inspiration to go slag off Drugstore, AND in what area too: Manipulation.LOL Which is brilliant I really must say!
Aeon did that with a finesse and you couldb't see it! You let yourself treat Aeons unlikables with utter contempt for WHO they were and not WHAT they were saying.
Go read that thread in a while and maybe you'll see things differently.

[slipnslide]

but we can move on as a site and continue to discuss bisexuality and the issues that affect bisexuals and their partners as well as world issues that affect all of us. Just my two cents...

I don't think you can yet. There's an undefined standard here of what opinions are allowed. Look at how I can get away with murder yet others get banned for an unpopular opinion. What is the standard? How is this acceptable on a site that takes payments now? So if I pay to be here and my opinion is deemed unacceptable do I lose that money? Do people who pay get more flexibility in their opinions?

I'd rather see the group of people I actually like on here pack up and move to a better forum. If this forum software supported voting down posts most of Drugstore Cowboy and ExSailor nonsense would get buried. Then we wouldn't even have to see it let alone go through the Ignore process. And when their stuff is consistently buried they move on. I guess I'm suggesting this community needs better self-policing.

[darkeyes]

You both left out what Drugstsore was quoting from AND why he was quoting. It's not me who's being a smart arse, as from ONE QUIP - "Well played" your old friend gave YOU the inspiration to go slag off Drugstore, AND in what area too: Manipulation.LOL Which is brilliant I really must say!
Aeon did that with a finesse and you couldb't see it! You let yourself treat Aeons unlikables with utter contempt for WHO they were and not WHAT they were saying.
Go read that thread in a while and maybe you'll see things differently.

I am not blind to Joan's faults.. although I think what I perceive to be her faults and u do are likely to be different in many instances.. and if I may say so.. her "finesse" as u put it was the finesse of the proverbial bull in a china shop.. not see it? Don't kid yourself...

..my editing is never intended to deceive... that's the difference.. u can take issue with that if u like.. u know why it was done and to distract by hinting at something else is something I am surprised at from u Gear... and I am sick to the back teeth of reading that fucking thread... like many mostly everyone else.. that she had utter contept for what some, maybe all were saying is ture, and I include me in that... but mostly for what they had to say also.. but Gear we can argue this too.. having contempt for who people are and what they have to say is not, in my opinion something which can be aimed solely at Joan... she pays the price.. but guilt is not hers alone... and we can also argue whether or not she should have been banned for it...we are on opposite sides of the fence regarding that too.. just as we would be if u argued that those equally as guilty should be banned long with her...

[Gearbox]

I am not blind to Joan's faults.. although I think what I perceive to be her faults and u do are likely to be different in many instances.. and if I may say so.. her "finesse" as u put it was the finesse of the proverbial bull in a china shop.. not see it? Don't kid yourself...

..my editing is never intended to deceive... that's the difference.. u can take issue with that if u like.. u know why it was done and to distract by hinting at something else is something I am surprised at from u Gear... and I am sick to the back teeth of reading that fucking thread... like many mostly everyone else.. that she had utter contept for what some, maybe all were saying is ture, and I include me in that... but mostly for what they had to say also.. but Gear we can argue this too.. having contempt for who people are and what they have to say is not, in my opinion something which can be aimed solely at Joan... she pays the price.. but guilt is not hers alone... and we can also argue whether or not she should have been banned for it...we are on opposite sides of the fence regarding that too.. just as we would be if u argued that those equally as guilty should be banned long with her...

I very rarely hint at anything. I was pointing out how easily led you are, although you'll refute that.lol And you maybe right to, too!
By Aeons 'finesse' I meant her tacticts to tell you there are groups of people here. Those which deserve contempt for WHO they are!: "The Usual Suspects" was her favourite buzzword. That gave the goahead to stop reading what people were saying and just slag them off, or just dehumanise them with a few snubs.
If they didn't agree with Aeon, they belonged to a group.
Aeon posted a thread about how male bisexuals are too sexually dangerouse to have sex with (on a bisexual site). Not only that, but any bisexual male (an all else) that claimed otherwise was treated to her special brand of 'debate', which was mindless attack in reality. So contempt foe Aeon? I expect there was, but SHE harvested it deliberately IMO. Those she attacked, didn't deserve it. So no! There are none equally as guilty IMO.

It would be nice if we left those 'groups' die, and treat people on what they say, instead of who or what they are.

[tenni]

" "The Usual Suspects" was her favourite buzzword. That gave the goahead to stop reading what people were saying and just slag them off, or just dehumanise them with a few snubs."

Yes..."unsual supsects" was dismissive. This has become a practice on this site by some to stiffle dissent and dismiss a poster's credibility rather than discuss the issue. Other terms that seem permissible to dismiss a perspective is to label the person as "misogynist", "bully" and "having an agenda". There is the repeated use of these terms by a few posters. Maybe, those posters are puppets as they use the same terms and phrases too? Or they are correct and so wise?

Why is it permissible to identify member posters on this thread as puppets ? Is that not a personal attack? Are certain posters ok to slur? (as long as you see them as puppets?)

[littlerayofsunshine]

"You point your finger at an awful lot of people."

This is the confusing part for me. Some are bad puppets in some people's viewpoint while others see them not puppets but different viewpoints. Isn't it all about making judgments about other people's intentions?

I apologize I simply don't have the time nor the energy to explain everything that confuses you.

But Simply put, I made a statement and asked a question. Finished off with a well known cliche as a point of reference. Nothing sinister was said but yet...... And yet...... He came back and attacked. As this puppet is known to do. He attacked Tom with use of his mental condition (showing psychophobia and mentalism) and accused him of being a hacker. Something that was never claimed in any fashion by anyone other than his puppet self. He then attacked me as having a sever mental disorder when I never said what meds I was taking and what for. Could be for cancer, could be for HIV, could be for osteoarthritis, or how about for Cardiovascular health. But none of that matters, just his attack. He rampages so as to even accuse me of having a sock puppet. Which I find amusing, cause for anyone that knows me, I can surely stir the shit better than that (no offense outintheworld)

Attacks and points fingers. Not what would be considered someone that is here to discuss or share thoughts with others. Wouldn't you agree?

[IanBorthwick]

If this forum software supported voting down posts most of Drugstore Cowboy and ExSailor nonsense would get buried. Then we wouldn't even have to see it let alone go through the Ignore process. And when their stuff is consistently buried they move on. I guess I'm suggesting this community needs better self-policing.

Wait, lolwut? Weren't you against censorship, then you come out and want to the ability to censor? don't censor my friends, let me censor my enemies? Hypocritical, don't you think? Not to mention you're assuming that they would have been down voted out of view because you assume you're in the position of majority lead not the minority...and with all those speaking sense to you, or TRYING, you're not looking reality too closely in the eye.

[slipnslide]

Wait, lolwut? Weren't you against censorship, then you come out and want to the ability to censor? don't censor my friends, let me censor my enemies? Hypocritical, don't you think? Not to mention you're assuming that they would have been down voted out of view because you assume you're in the position of majority lead not the minority...and with all those speaking sense to you, or TRYING, you're not looking reality too closely in the eye.

Based on the private messages I get from people who aren't comfortable posting, yes, those people would regularly be modded down.

Filtering their noise is not censorship either. The messages are still there, you just need to go through extra steps if you really want to read them.

[pepperjack]

Wos playin' wivya Mumsie... but u kno that methinks...

...but 2 those who may not b aware.. Mumsie is dead rite.... they do make a big thing about circumcision and while I agree with what they say..how they say it, what they argue... and what they do is as counter productive my side of the debate as if I personally conducted circumcimsions myself..the kind of support they provide is support I can very well and would rather do without... and tbh.. me own personal view? They are plants... put there to discredit.. trolls.. ringers... but whichever side they are truly on... I think all of us would rather they didn't bother and would slink back under the slime covered rock never to be seen again.....

I see you have your own measure of craftiness, Dark; enough to make you a "flybugger?"

[void()]

Other terms that seem permissible to dismiss a perspective is to label the person as "misogynist", "bully" and "having an agenda". There is the repeated use of these terms by a few posters. Maybe, those posters are puppets as they use the same terms and phrases too? Or they are correct and so wise?

Why is it permissible to identify member posters on this thread as puppets ? Is that not a personal attack? Are certain posters ok to slur? (as long as you see them as puppets?)

First, not censoring you tenni. I often cut bits and pieces as bearing relevance, out of habit in responding to email.

Second, I may have suggested someone had an agenda a few times. I can however discuss other issues. One thing which comes to mind off the bat is the lacking of romance in the world, now. I would like to discuss that sometime.

Third, a puppet would interject themselves into a discussion like that. The thread would devolve into a pissing war, probably over who is most romantic, how bisexuals are not romantic, if romantic is a bi to be trusted? A genuinely intelligent discussion among mature adults would not be allowed to flourish, or thrive.

I can see other various directions such a discussion could take. We could institute a day of romance on the site. Maybe a sect of like minds would create a secret admirers club to romance folks, even if nothing became of it save for friendly flirting. I'm sure you could see other ideas too. But such a discussion won't happen here. Thank you 'gamers', 'puppets', 'trolls'.