Do bi or striaght men prefer Transwomen over real women?

[PrettyFlowingGown]

Transwoman for me. I love women, but dont love pussy. Never liked oral sex on a woman. I prefer a beautiful woman with a beautiful penis below, more to play with, suck on, etc.

[open2both]

Ok...
Given a choice between a gorgeous tranny (non-op) and a gorgeous "normal" lady...
I'll take the penis.
There ya' go.

[cbb83]

It has nothing to do with women, don't think it's you. A person's preferences are their own and are going to be the result of their wants, thoughts, desires, and needs, and neither womanhood or maleness means jack diddly compared to that.

Don't take it personally

[ExSailor]

I'm partnered to a biological woman and have been for decades. While I have met TS/TG women I have never had sex with any of them or dated any. When I have sex with a woman I want her to have an actual vagina, and not a penis or a penis that's had cosmetic surgery to make it look like a vagina.

[cuttin2dachase]

I prefer real women, str8 or bi, over men, period. But I know that the next best thing to being with a woman is to be with a man. I am not interested in str8 men. My definite preference in men is bi married men. No offense to gay men or single bi men, but bi married men are the best (and kinkiest) male lovers and they carry no baggage or drama. We meet for romance and sex and kink with no lovestrings. That being said...to be with a crossdressing bi married man is a double turn on for me. I've never been with a TG woman or man, but I think I'd enjoy it.

[*pan*]

for me being a 50/50 bisexual man i love sex with woman and men sometimes i like a smooth bottom male sometimes a hairy top guy, never been with a transexual but would be more then willing to play with one. as they would be smooth and feminine but as for choosing one over the other no i would not. for me it is more of a feminine masculin thing. and not the equiptment one has. sometimes i need feminine in a woman or a man and visa versa. i tend to love people for what they are and not what they have does this make sense to anyone else lol

[transcendMental]

The people who say they want a "real" woman, and those who say they'd like to "try" a transwoman are interesting.

If you mean you'd prefer a woman with a pussy to a woman with a cock, I get that; if you mean you'd like to try a woman with a cock, I get that.

But if a transwoman is post-op, and is truly female-brained, you may well never know the difference between that transwoman and a "real" woman. In personality, and in physicality for sexual purposes, we are pretty much like cis women. To say you'd prefer a "real" vagina over a penis that's been surgically corrected to "look like" a vagina (it actually becomes a vagina) suggests to me either that you don't realize how good surgical outcomes are, or that you have a deep discomfort with the concept of what a transperson is.

If you're talking about having sex, or a date (as opposed to a longterm relationship where you may want children), I guess I just don't see what there is to prefer or to disdain in a (post-op) transwoman vs. a cis woman.

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[Thong lvr]

Thats a very interesting question. I am a bisexual man who also likes to crossdress. My wife of 34 years knows and supports my feelings. We had seperated a couple years ago, not due to anything sexual, and have been back together now for a while and get along wonderfully. while seperated I met a TG on this forum. We dated for a few months and to this day are good friends. For me for that short time, my TG girlfriend satisfied alot of things. As a person she understood me, my feelings. Having once been a man she got it. The sex part was even better, satisfiing so many desires. I missed my wife and we got back together. But in all honesty, I missed her for the life we had built together and not because she was "pure" women.

[cbj4162]

i have never met a transwoman so, i will reserve opinion until then .....

[transcendMental]

drugstore cowboy, I'm sorry you've had some disappointing experiences. All I can say, I guess, is that there is as much diversity among post-op transwomen as there is among cis women. Some lubricate quite adequately; some cis women hardly lubricate at all. Well over half of post-op transwomen figure out how to orgasm (there's a learning curve to it), if they've had a competent surgeon; I've heard figures that suggest that a smaller percentage of cis women do; certainly not all do. As with cis women, some have deep vaginas, some are more shallow.

But to say that it's a shame that a transwoman who was born with a large penis had surgery sounds like the height of selfishness to me. It didn't serve your purposes as well, so it's a shame? Chances are pretty good that regardless of how you feel about it, she's happier with her vagina than she was with a large penis, not necessarily because the vagina is better, but because it matches her mind and self-image better.

You sound pretty confident of your assertions about transpeople, yet you also sound completely ignorant of their reality. You say "while transpeople may claim to feel like a certain gender" - ok, if we don't then why exactly do you think we turn our lives and bodies upside down in order to become the opposite sex of what we were born? That I know of, not one of us claims to feel what it is like to menstruate or to have childbirth, but if that is part of your criteria for "feeling what it is like to occupy a woman's body", then a large number of cis women are apparently also unfamiliar with what it is like to occupy a woman's body.

But you seem overly fixated on the body. What makes us feel like women is our brains. There is a large and growing body of biological evidence that transsexualism is a brain structure difference: a MtF's brain is structured as a female's brain, whereas a FtM's brain is structured as a male's brain. This mismatch between brain structure and body structure (which has been found in a great number of mammalian species, also corresponding to similar cross-gender/sex traits) is what causes the gender dysphoria and makes us want to transition. If you want to deny the biological evidence, that is your cis privilege: I cannot deny it, because I have experienced it. But I'd like to hear your alternate theory.

I'm not sure who all you are hearing your mantra from. The transwomen I know would never claim to be a man at all, let alone more man than you. It sounds like an immature assertion designed to pump up their self-confidence. We don't all buy into it.

[sglbi3]

As a bi male, i think the reason men are starting to prefer a good transexual woman is that they are more caring, dress the way men like to see women dress, are more open and apt to do things with others that women won't do. My preference is a woman that likes to top, suck and be sucked and is into 3somes of any kind.

[BiCplAz]

TS's are the best of both worlds

[straddle]

As a bisexual male I enjoy the convenient one stop shopping of transsexual porn, but in real life I am into real people that are fun and interesting, regardless of their bits.

[darkeyes]

Reading much of this thread I wonder very often just how many guys understand what being transgendered is and how much of an effort they make trying to learn..... but then it's not just this thread that's made me wonder 'bout those questions..

[tenni]

Reading much of this thread I wonder very often just how many guys understand what being transgendered is and how much of an effort they make trying to learn..... but then it's not just this thread that's made me wonder 'bout those questions..

Darkeyes
Many/most men can not really understand what it is like to be a woman let alone a transwoman. I am wondering if you are referring to men empathizing with transwomen and the difficult challenges that they may experience? I am not sure that your expectations are reasonable. If a cisman wants to have a real relationship with a transwoman (especially in transition) they need to go beyond a sexual fantasy just as they need to go beyond lusting after a generic big busted woman as a fantasy. Men rarely know the effort that such a big busted women must deal with(back pain, knee damage etc. ) I know the issues behind big busted women because several women in my family are in that life and have needed operations. (let alone the cost of "special" bras).

Some/a lot of guys who say that they want to have sex with a transwoman in transition really just want a sex act as they might have with a man or woman. Pure and raw sexual lust is at the core and not relating to a transwoman and her life challenges. They don't have any empathy for hook ups with anyone. Its raw sex or fantasy.

[darkeyes]

Darkeyes
Many/most men can not really understand what it is like to be a woman let alone a transwoman. I am wondering if you are referring to men empathizing with transwomen and the difficult challenges that they may experience? I am not sure that your expectations are reasonable. If a cisman wants to have a real relationship with a transwoman (especially in transition) they need to go beyond a sexual fantasy just as they need to go beyond lusting after a generic big busted woman as a fantasy. Men rarely know the effort that such a big busted women must deal with(back pain, knee damage etc. ) I know the issues behind big busted women because several women in my family are in that life and have needed operations. (let alone the cost of "special" bras).

Some/a lot of guys who say that they want to have sex with a transwoman in transition really just want a sex act as they might have with a man or woman. Pure and raw sexual lust is at the core and not relating to a transwoman and her life challenges. They don't have any empathy for hook ups with anyone. Its raw sex or fantasy.

Just as u can't imagine being a woman, trans or otherwise, I cant imagine being a man in the same way.. but I learn, try and empathise and don't use them simply as objects of desire.. occasionally I have seen pics of transwomen I have been attracted to and have met two who stirred me the same way.. but I tend more to intellectualise about them not as objects of sexual desire but to try and understand them and what they go through in their lives. That i will never be able to fully understand isn't the point.. but that I try is what is important and can empathise with them as human beings.. I don't think it is unreasonable for people to make the effort to try and understand and empathise with the transgendered, men or women, and not simply consider them as something which is a dream merely for fucking. They are people too and far too many forget that.. women too in their own way, but principally it is men that ogle them as the sex object of legend.. Some men can and empathise with transwomen.. transmen for that matter, but far too few even bother to make the effort.. and these pages are full of them going back a long, long way...

[tenni]

"I don't think it is unreasonable for people to make the effort to try and understand and empathise with the transgendered, men or women, and not simply consider them as something which is a dream merely for fucking."

I agree with you in principle but also know men. We are sexually driven beyond our ability to empathize. It is not nice but dicks do rule over empathy for some men at certain stages of their life and in particular sexual acts and fantasies. That's a reality and needs to be accepted just as transpeople are in the wrong body that doesn't match their mind. There is no one side is better and men are bad animals etc. for not empathizing with transpeople. At a different stage of a man's life he may evolve and should to be able to contemplate what you express. Without seeing transpeople as human, that just is not part of western culture or maybe male culture to see things the ways that you do.

[darkeyes]

"I don't think it is unreasonable for people to make the effort to try and understand and empathise with the transgendered, men or women, and not simply consider them as something which is a dream merely for fucking."

I agree with you in principle but also know men. We are sexually driven beyond our ability to empathize. It is not nice but dicks do rule over empathy for some men at certain stages of their life and in particular sexual acts and fantasies. That's a reality and needs to be accepted just as transpeople are in the wrong body that doesn't match their mind. There is no one side is better and men are bad animals etc. for not empathizing with transpeople. At a different stage of a man's life he may evolve and should to be able to contemplate what you express. Without seeing transpeople as human, that just is not part of western culture or maybe male culture to see things the ways that you do.

*laffs*.. tenni, what u say sounds remarkably similar to the stereotypical attitude of men to women and I don't think it washes.. that men think differently from women when it comes to sex I don't demur, or in how they consider the objects of their desires, but it doesn't excuse any man from trying to gain empathy for anyone... most men aren't stereotypical either but sometimes posts on .com do very often make me question my judgement on that. and of all posts, their posts on the issue of the transgendered.... I have some understanding of men.. not enough but some, and enough to know that on a bisexual site it is likely that in respect of the transgendered, the attitudes of bisexual men will often be more stereotypical than elsewhere and than I would prefer, but I neither like it or excuse it when it is not accompanied by some semblance of empathy and at least some hint of an effort at understanding.... I do accept in part what u say about men (possibly) evolving empathy in time but considering the age demographic of .com and members contributions and content, sadly, I'm afraid that the jury remains out on that one...

[tenni]

Well darkeyes the one of few reasons why bisexual men may act more as men(pfft to the stereotype when it has truth) and perceive transwomen as sex objects rather than the person may be due to the stage of being a bisexual man. If a man acknowledges and verbalizes his bisexuality for some of the first times it comes out as more raw sexual energy than he might be at after being more aware of his sexuality for years. Then again, it just might be the individual men. Men, stereotypically, are not encouraged to be empathetic in their upbringing as much as women. After all, we are lesser mortals according to someone...te he he

[darkeyes]

After all, we are lesser mortals according to someone...te he he

So true tenni.. tee hee.. just make sure ya remember it... am off 2 me bed now.. if I respond it will b tomoz sometime..

[The Bisexual Virgin]

Why are men saying that bio women are loosing their femininity, and most transsexuals and shemales can do a better job at being a woman? As a woman it gets real frustrating when I hear that shemale or transsexual looks better than a real woman, when in reality they look like a regular woman. It's like people want us to compete or something, and we sould apsire to look like them, because men are not satisfied with us anymore. But that's an observation I have notice over the internet.

As a bi male, i think the reason men are starting to prefer a good transexual woman is that they are more caring, dress the way men like to see women dress, are more open and apt to do things with others that women won't do. My preference is a woman that likes to top, suck and be sucked and is into 3somes of any kind.

[csrakate]

Why are men saying that bio women are loosing their femininity, and most transsexuals and shemales can do a better job at being a woman? As a woman it gets real frustrating when I hear that shemale or transsexual looks better than a real woman, when in reality they look like a regular woman. It's like people want us to compete or something, and we sould apsire to look like them, because men are not satisfied with us anymore. But that's an observation I have notice over the internet.

As a bi male, i think the reason men are starting to prefer a good transexual woman is that they are more caring, dress the way men like to see women dress, are more open and apt to do things with others that women won't do. My preference is a woman that likes to top, suck and be sucked and is into 3somes of any kind.

That was one man's opinion. Don't make the mistake of lumping all men together. You are far too young to so cynical. Allow yourself to meet the right men and stop making generalizations. Not only are doing a disservice to men but you are also limiting options for yourself.

[darkeyes]

Why are men saying that bio women are loosing their femininity, and most transsexuals and shemales can do a better job at being a woman? As a woman it gets real frustrating when I hear that shemale or transsexual looks better than a real woman, when in reality they look like a regular woman. It's like people want us to compete or something, and we sould apsire to look like them, because men are not satisfied with us anymore. But that's an observation I have notice over the internet.

Men may say all sorts of things but there are as many opinions as there are men. They all have their own opinion just as women do... don't fret so. Kate is right.. listen to her... and the part I have emboldened? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and men like women will be attracted to what and who they fancy... and if u think the internet is an accurate picture of real life I think u need to review your knowledge of the internet... finally, the comment about Transgendered women? They may not have been born women but fully transitioned transwomen would most likely take great umbrage at an inference that they are not real women... and men, like women are satisfied with what satisfies them.. some like and prefer transwomen, some prefer natural born women.. some prefer men.. some like 2 out of 3, and some all 3... no need to get ur knickers in a twist about it... it's 21st century life... and a dose of healthy competition never did anyone any harm....

[simplexity]

regardless of the reasons a person may be with a transwoman, whether it's a fetish or whatever, to say that a man who only wants a transwoman for her parts isn't respecting her as a woman seems a bit off the mark. Regardless of how u treat your lovers, u want what u want. if you are in a relationship and say u are turned on by cocks, then if the person u are with doesn't have one, that's gonna be a problem. If you love women, and also love sex with a transwoman too, it may get confusing. I do find the idea of a woman (biological woman) with a penis very much a turn on. Some blame porn for how we perceive transwomen, but a lot of the porn I've seen shows people who aren't that attractive (maybe I'm going to the wrong site) Just as with gay porn I've never really found any of that a turn on because it doens't fit into how I would act in the same situation. I do cross dress, and would want to be dominated..but in m/m porn it's usually just two naked guys going at it. I then started looking at playgirl videos as they tend to be more geared towards women, so the women in the videos are not the main focus. In straight porn once a woman takes her bra off, the camera stays on her, so that is why I think women do not get into porn as much. Even if I were not bi I would want to see a scene that would be more realistic. Something on the lines of two people who actually seem like they are into each other. Same goes for lesbian porn, sometimes they look as if they are just going through the motions, and other times they look as if they are enjoying themselves. But the bottom line is, it's what turns you on that matters. It's possible to find a woman that u can totally relate to but if she's not doing it for u sexually, it's not going to work out. I remember hearing on a tv program one of the commentators said that w hat it boils down to is what gets your dick hard. Is it biological women, biological men, or a combination of both. I think if women (especially really attractive women, who aren't masculine) were more open to a bisexual man and his desires (at leasat in understanding him and his desires) more men would be comfortable with biological women. But most women seem to either be disgusted by bi men or too confused on how to deal with them to actually forge a relationship with him. I'd love to find a biological woman who is cool with my crossdressing and my bi tendencies, someone who I can share my thoughts with. But, it seems there are very few if any of those types of women around.

[Kink-in-LA]

I'm a "straight" man. I carry myself that way. Its my nature. Tonight I went to my first TS bar/club. It was great. No I like biological women feminine and petite. I wasn't ready to walk in and actually do double-takes at how pretty these T-girls are. I had to talk to one. They were the sweetest things.

Now I know I want to have a sexual experience with a T-Girl. Mind you I've never had anal intercourse with a man, only oral and hand. There were men there and T-Girls that weren't very femme and I wasn't attracted to them, but the really pretty girls I was.

I love sex with women, but variety is the spice of life.

[ErosUrge]

I have been fascinated with transgendered women for a very long time now. Yes, physically no doubt but have learned much more about them as people. What you will find is that a great many of them have always felt like a female their entire life and biologically are more feminine without taking hormones. The one thing that separates them from being totally women is a cock and balls. And many people are inclined to say and do say that because of that very reason, they can't be taken seriously for feeling female. They live their lives as women. And you will find that many of them, perhaps even a majority of them, look, sound, and carry themselves as women in every way. Of course they're aware that they are equipped with male sexual organs, but their acitivity and response during sex is more like a woman than a man except when they're doing the fucking. I accept them at their word when they say they have always felt like a woman. And though many of them take hormones and many have breast implants, there are some that don't go this route. And interestingly, they are very much like women. For anyone who has looked through porn films of TG sex, there are many who if they never took their dresses off, you'd not be able to decipher they weren't completely women. And yes, there are some that you can certainly see the male in them more than the female. Still, I believe they deserve respect as human beings.
Now to answer the question: No, bi men don't generally prefer TG women to women, but like anything else, some do. Every human being has what attracts and appeals to them and so to generalize that bi men prefer TG women is a misinformed comment when put into a generalization.

[NjbiGuy01]

I'm a bisexual man and I've only ever had sex, dated, and even married a biological woman or real woman as you wrote. Most straight men are just into biological women and don't want to have sex with or date a TG/TS woman at all.

Well, speak for yourself....lol. I do mainly enjoy sex with women. I do enjoy sex with men. I certainly do enjoy sex with both at the same time. While I have enjoyed sex with men on men on a few occasions, I do seem to prefer a MFM trio of all the options. A transwomen (assuming you mean a man converted to a woman with breasts and penis removed) makes no sense to me. It might for others, but why would I want that if I could get an actual real woman ?? That's just me, I'm sure some feel otherwise. As long as I can remember, I've always fantasized about a true hermaphrodite or a passable TS "fooling me". On a date, having fun, get in bed and discover the "surprise" beneath the sheets. Not actively seeking it out, but it certainly might be cool...of-course that's different than a transwoman. I don't really know if hermaphrodites truly, really, exist. I've seen some believable porno's, and I suspect there are some out there, but I imagine the number is small. Seems most get surgery as children, which I guess (as a parent) is the logical or most common solution. I think some of the hotter porn guy-chicks (for example Baily Jay http://ts-baileyjay.com/ ), really make a convincing argument that there is fun to found playing with a "gal" like that......yummy ! Anyway, back on topic.....

[darkeyes]

Well, speak for yourself....lol. ... why would I want that if I could get an actual real woman ?? That's just me, I'm sure some feel otherwise. As long as I can remember, I've always fantasized about a true hermaphrodite or a passable TS "fooling me". On a date, having fun, get in bed and discover the "surprise" beneath the sheets. Not actively seeking it out, but it certainly might be cool...of-course that's different than a transwoman. .

No reason u should.. but Transwomen don't go through transition to get laid.. they go through it to be true to what they are and live as their heart and mind tells them.. some guys like some don't.. some transwomen won't touch a guy with a bargepole sexually so they have their preferences too.. being a fully transitioned transwoman isn't about sex and getting laid.. it is about being... sex and getting laid if it comes along and they have a whale of a time.. well.. that's just the icing on the cake... a bit like sex and getting laid for the rest of us...

[SatinaTV]

I agree Tgirls are really poping up everywhere more and more I'm just a TV not a TS But I look pretty good and guys hit on me all the time But I'm bi only with other tgirls and still prefer women sexually so its hard for me to always find perfect matches,,But guys out there tell me they like us tgirls because we dress over top sexy and do our nails etc always wear heels and then lots say they like whats between our legs so they usaully cover it all when I ask...Does this shed some light sweetie?

[robin ta laye]

First i'd like to say this to those who bashed on the "Bisexual Virgin" fuck you if you cant take a joke, she asked a question and for opinions about the question, precisely what a forum is for, if she needed to be abused then she would have asked for that instead. Learn to read and maybe try to follow instructions, doing otherwise only prooves we all came from monkees and that your still closer to original than the rest of us, get a grip on your anger or at least pay enough attention to stay in your own lane.