Article re: circumcision

[tenni]

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You're hilarious sometimes...lol I tend to agree with you on this issue.

One reason why we may not see uncut dick in porno is that we are watching North American porn? Maybe, they have uncut dick in Euro porn?

[bicurcple]

Braces do not destroy. Weak analogy. Even when I got braces, the doctor asked my permission to proceed.
Sometimes, infants only days old, do not know the 'proper' reaction to hideous trauma (as evidenced by the fact that they seldom write their congressman).
Have you studied the common reaction of a 3 day old to a traumatic car accident?
Did you do it (circumcision) to yourself first?...
Only a true leader would...
Why don't you run out and circumcise your face? Imagine the beauty of freedom from mouth cancer! Vanilla and chocolate. Try destroying some of your flesh you've learned to value... for a needless whim.

Yes, yes, very hateful and challenging.

Better yet, and most importantly. Are you ready to offer your child complete reparation of what you intentionally inflicted?
Can you create 12 -15 square inches of the most evolutionarily advanced flesh and add it perfectly... upon his request? Of course you can't, you can only destroy.

Try betraying everything you know and understand, ... and create and add to his life/penis. Really create and add... real flesh.

I know this is savage. To some extent I am truly sorry. To another... you chose this... not your child. You owe it to your child to educate him (them) in what you really destroyed (informed consent means you tell him the REAL loss). Telling a child that they've lost 1/2 their sexual feeling before they've matured sexually... is another move in neurosis...
But I'm sure you... and many others... will have no problem in the neurosis continuum. It is very hard to rise above common evil.

congratulations, I will no longer respond to threads on this site..........I can't stand narrowminded people who feel what they believe is right and that's it.
You people are pathetic...........goodbye

[coyotedude]

I think it might be helpful to repost this quote of mine from earlier in the thread:

I certainly expected heated discussion and strong feeling with this topic. But I also expected us all to act like adults. We can have strong opinions and still be respectful of one another as human beings. None of us are perfect; none of us have all the answers to life's nagging questions. None of us have any reason to put ourselves on a pedestal above others with whom we may disagree on any given issue.

It's just as true now as it was when I wrote it in 2008.

Peace

[darkeyes]

congratulations, I will no longer respond to threads on this site..........I can't stand narrowminded people who feel what they believe is right and that's it.
You people are pathetic...........goodbye

Dus luff peeps that stand and fight ther corner.. is it narrow minded to refuse to inflict on an infant summat wich is no less than a grievous assault and mutilation?

[TwylaTwobits]

I find this thread disturbing to me in many ways. I have three boys, they were all circumsized. Three different hospitals and three different doctors and they have had no issues and even peed right on time. The last one peed on the doctor as she was checking his circumcision the next day. The choice was presented to me and really for the reason that it was "the norm" I chose to have them cut. Nowhere in the discussion was anything mentioned about losing feeling or possible future problems, other than make sure they pee before they leave the hospital.

My boys will never be made fun of in the locker rooms after gym class. They will not feel different in the men's room's as they grow up. I made my decision and even after all the posts of negativity to it, I will not regret it. When they are old enough and have questions I'll answer them proudly.

So please don't tell me I abused my kids. They are three of the most loving and brilliant kids in the world.

[darkeyes]

Twyla..am not gonna tell you that you abused your kids.. you live in a country whose culture makes it the norm to have boys circumcised. I live in one where the opposite is the case and excepting for religious reasons it is relatively rare. Most of Europe do not cut and it is in my opinion quite right that this should be so.

It is quite right that we have a proper debate on the issue not just in these forums but in American society as a whole. We do not remove breast tissue from young girls for instance to prevent cancer of the breast as a preventative treatment to escape a disease which still kills many women.. and even men for that matter although in far fewer numbers. We abhor and do not allow female circumcision on infants in both our countries and quite rightly so. Any such surgery unless it is for sound medical reasons is an assault and unnecessary mutilation on a child. Some have outlined the damage done. It should therefore be prohibited.

In the United States, it is the "norm" for boys to be circumcised shortly after birth. Parents expect it and are encouraged, as you were by the medical profession. The abuse is not yours as a mother, but culpability is that of the medical profession who encourage circumcision and perform it for profit and American society who have never properly thought of this as an issue. They have never thought of it because it has always been the "norm" and is considered standard practice. It is time that parents began to stand up to the medical profession and campaign against this abuse of a child. At a personal level each parent should simply say no to any pressure from the medical profession when they press for it to be done. In time it will begin to be a thing of the past. The religious issue is something else, and will be much more difficult to stop circumcision completely because of that, but not I hope impossible.

I have argued much more passionately about this issue in the past, and that passion remains, but I must be getting old or something because I have moderated my view on this slightly. There are reasons why male circumcison can be performed, but not compelling reasons. I do not consider STD prevention sufficiently acceptable or any other disease prevention. If we went down that road for every disease we may as well cease to exist. If a child at some stage in the future when he is old enough to make an informed choice, then that is fine. Some women have their breasts removed as a preventative. That is not a route I could go down unless the cancer returns and I am left with no choice, yet I respect their decision which is informed and for them the correct one. So it should be with boys and circumcision. We deprive them of choice when they are truly able to make it.

My own view is that circumcision should be prohibited by law save in pressing medical cases.. but for now..the decision is left in the hands of parents.. parents can make leaving boys foreskin intacto the norm... I hope in time they do..

[MarieDelta]

Twyla..am not gonna tell you that you abused your kids.. you live in a country whose culture makes it the norm to have boys circumcised. I live in one where the opposite is the case and excepting for religious reasons it is relatively rare. Most of Europe do not cut and it is in my opinion quite right that this should be so.

It is quite right that we have a proper debate on the issue not just in these forums but in American society as a whole. We do not remove breast tissue from young girls for instance to prevent cancer of the breast as a preventative treatment to escape a disease which still kills many women.. and even men for that matter although in far fewer numbers. We abhor and do not allow female circumcision on infants in both our countries and quite rightly so. Any such surgery unless it is for sound medical reasons is an assault and unnecessary mutilation on a child. It should therefore be prohibited.

In the United States, it is the "norm" for boys to be circumcised shortly after birth. Parents expect it and are encouraged, as you were by the medical profession. The abuse is not yours as a mother, but culpability is that of the medical profession who encourage circumcision and perform it for profit and American society who have never properly thought of this as an issue. They have never thought of it because it has always been the "norm" and is considered standard practice. It is time that parents began to stand up to the medical profession and campaign against this abuse of a child. At a personal level each parent should simply say no to any pressure from the medical profession when they press for it to be done. In time it will begin to be a thing of the past. The religious issue is something else, and will be much more difficult to stop circumcision completely because of that, but not I hope impossible.

I have argued much more passionately about this issue in the past, and that passion remains, but I must be getting old or something because I have moderated my view on this slightly. There are reasons why male circumcison can be performed, but not compelling reasons. I do not consider STD prevention sufficiently acceptable or any other disease prevention. If we went down that road for every disease we may as well cease to exist. If a child at some stage in the future when he is old enough to make an informed choice, then that is fine. Some women have their breasts removed as a preventative. That is not a route I could go down unless the cancer returns and I am left with no choice, yet I respect their decision which is informed and for them the correct one. So it should be with boys and circumcision. We deprive them of choice when they are truly able to make it.

My own view is that circumcision should be prohibited by law save in pressing medical cases.. but for now..the decision is left in the hands of parents.. parents can make leaving boys foreskin intacto the norm... I hope in time they do..

It is the case with many things in American Medical practice.

Take for instance the way many of them treat intersexxed folks.

The practice of circumcision was originally started to curb masturbation.

[bicurcple]

Dus luff peeps that stand and fight ther corner.. is it narrow minded to refuse to inflict on an infant summat wich is no less than a grievous assault and mutilation?

I really do not like reading anything from you......It takes to long to figure out what your saying, just incase you didn't know..... you don't have to write with an accent.
Maybe it's just cause I am American but for you people to sit here and tell people who are cut that they are mutilated is pathetic, for you to tell me I mutilated my sons is pathetic. You are no better than the anti-abortionist who want to blow up a clinic to make your point. What will you do next....blow up a hospital where children are born because they do circumcisions? Give it up.........I am happy with my cock, I know many men who are cut and happy with their's. I know some who are un-cut who are happy with their's. It is just personal, some people like it and some people don't. Why can't it be left at that. Personally I think un-cut is gross, maybe that's just because I was raised that way....but again I am a free person who has my own beliefs and preferences.......That is what makes us human.

[rissababynta]

Dus luff peeps that stand and fight ther corner.. is it narrow minded to refuse to inflict on an infant summat wich is no less than a grievous assault and mutilation?

Fran, his comment about people being narrowminded could be applied to most things on this site, not just what he was referring to about how people in this thread are going over the top about how their opinion is the best. Like in your comment right here...for someone who has an opinion in favor of circumcision, this comment not only lets people know how you feel about it, but it is put in a way where a person on the side for it could feel insulted and feel as though you are saying that "this is the right way, otherwise you are a moster"...in so many words of course...

[darkeyes]

Fran, his comment about people being narrowminded could be applied to most things on this site, not just what he was referring to about how people in this thread are going over the top about how their opinion is the best. Like in your comment right here...for someone who has an opinion in favor of circumcision, this comment not only lets people know how you feel about it, but it is put in a way where a person on the side for it could feel insulted and feel as though you are saying that "this is the right way, otherwise you are a moster"...in so many words of course...

Think me comment in response 2 Twyla reflects how me feels Ris .. it is monstrous but its a monstrosity wich has been allowed 2 grow an becum acceptable an no 1 really thinks bout it 2 much.. it is an assault an it is a mutilation.. but its 1 wich society an the so called medical experts encourages in ur country... nowadays a better informed society shud put a stop 2 it... individually are peeps monsters over this? No..course not.. its how its always been.. an is dun for reasons wich really r jus not gud enuff ne more..but it don havta b..

[darkeyes]

I really do not like reading anything from you......It takes to long to figure out what your saying, just incase you didn't know..... you don't have to write with an accent.
Maybe it's just cause I am American but for you people to sit here and tell people who are cut that they are mutilated is pathetic, for you to tell me I mutilated my sons is pathetic. You are no better than the anti-abortionist who want to blow up a clinic to make your point. What will you do next....blow up a hospital where children are born because they do circumcisions? Give it up.........I am happy with my cock, I know many men who are cut and happy with their's. I know some who are un-cut who are happy with their's. It is just personal, some people like it and some people don't. Why can't it be left at that. Personally I think un-cut is gross, maybe that's just because I was raised that way....but again I am a free person who has my own beliefs and preferences.......That is what makes us human.

No better huh? Blow up clinics??? Shows ya wot ya kno bout me sweetheart...

Am not stoppin peeps from gettin circumcised..wanna c peeps do it for the rite reasons at an age wen they can make a properly informed decision.. THEY can make..NOT someone else.. thats proper freedom hun..

Sorry ya don like wot me sez or how me rites..but glad yas popped bak 2 say ya bit..

[bicurcple]

I understand what your trying to say, that an infant does not have the choice, but what about breast feeding? an infant does not have a choice in that matter either.....should I be upset with my mother because I was not breast fed.......or should I say that everyone who was breast fed is a freak...a monster. I just do not feel because you think it is mutilation and an atrocity that you are correct................It is just your opinion....and that is that. The threads on here that are against circumcision are just going overboard with it. So you feel it is wrong and it mutilation....whatever.....trying to make people who are circumcised feel like there is something wrong with them....that is what's wrong.

[bicurcple]

Parents make decisions for their children throughout their lives......for you to condemn for their choices because of your own belief is wrong!!!!!!!!!! Period!!!!!

[bicurcple]

If I waited for my sons to make their own choices they would be hype-up on sugar, playing video games 24-7 and would never step foot in a school.....and resenting me as they grow older because I didn't make them eat right or go to school..........because I want them to make their own decisions. LOL

[MarieDelta]

FWIW: Breast feeding does no permanent damage to the infant.

No one is saying that being circumcised makes you a freak.

There are some of us that wish we had been consulted before parts of our body got lopped off, however.

Am I angry with my parents about it? No, they were simply following the advice of the medical establishment (and in some cases weren't really given a choice.)

You might be asking or thinking "why does a pre-op transsexual care about her foreskin?" Because it could have been used to create a more realistic vagina. Now, I don't have that "material" to work with, due to a decision that my parents may not even have thought about.

But it does need to be put out there that this is a medically unnecessary procedure that changes the person for life without consent.

To do something because "that's the way we've always done it" or "because that's what everyone does" isn't always a good idea, especially when it changes a persons life.

[bicurcple]

To do something because "that's the way we've always done it" or "because that's what everyone does" isn't always a good idea, especially when it changes a persons life.

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uh.......those decisions are made everyday..........Parents make decisions that will change their childs lives because "that's the way we've always done it" or "because that's what everyone does" or because that is the decision they felt was right for them........are you going to condemn all of them for all those decisions? Again your choice your belief's........and they are different from mine.

[bicurcple]

FWIW: Breast feeding does no permanent damage to the infant.

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http://www.promom.org/101/

here is a link for a study that suggests breast fed children average a 10 point higher IQ than bottled fed..........my fucking parents..........those bastards could have made me smarter...........damn them..............they mutilated my brain...........lol

[shybipinay]

How is what that person said ill will?

Yo Bozo, with the similar handle and even similar comments and writing style to the other person (InTheNameOfLove) leaving us to believe you are both the same person using 2 different handles, what part of the following quote is not wishing ill will upon us????

I hope one day your son gets angry at you and is mad that he did not have the choice to remain intact and decide if he wants to keep his foreskin or not with his own free will and not something that you as misinformed parents decided for him.

Do I need to explain it to you???

Oh, for those who haven't seen uncut cock in porno flicks, we have a whole tape of uncut cocks picked off of satellite tv at a hotel. So it is out there. We don't watch it much and usually FF past the uncut scenes.

We totally agree with bicurcple but wondering why you're still posting after claiming you won't waste time with these pathetic people.

mariedelta: What about NOT breast feeding your baby? That was the point trying to be made, not the other way around as you have expressed it with your "FWIW" statement.

darkeyes: if a child waits until he is old enough to decide on circumcision, the risks become greater, the pain is far greater intensified and the healing time takes longer. We had a room mate who had his done while living with us. He went through hell. Incidentally, he is Scottish. See also bicurcple's comments.

I find this thread disturbing to me in many ways.

Thank-you TwylaTwobits

[TwylaTwobits]

Okay....i'm going to say it. WTF are you doing saying that circumsizing your children when they are babies, as recommended by the pediatrician who came to hospital to take care of your son, now molestation? Really, please get a grip. A personal opinion about circumcision doesn't make anyone's else's opinions or decisions either wrong or immoral.

[darkeyes]

I understand what your trying to say, that an infant does not have the choice, but what about breast feeding? an infant does not have a choice in that matter either.....should I be upset with my mother because I was not breast fed.......or should I say that everyone who was breast fed is a freak...a monster. I just do not feel because you think it is mutilation and an atrocity that you are correct................It is just your opinion....and that is that. The threads on here that are against circumcision are just going overboard with it. So you feel it is wrong and it mutilation....whatever.....trying to make people who are circumcised feel like there is something wrong with them....that is what's wrong.

Not sure yas grasped it hun.. mutilition is the harming or removal of a body or part of a body which should be there..a boy is born with a foreskin and it should be there. To deliberately mutilate someone is not necessarily an atrocity.. it depends on the reason and whether it was concensual.. to deliberately mutilate someone when it is unnecessary and without their permission is an atrocity...

..and no one is trying to make any who are circumcised that they are freaks.. quite the contrary... it is the culture of infant circumcision we are critical of.. not those who have been so cut...

.. let me put it this way.. what would you say if the government decided that all those men and boys who were uncircumcised were to be compelled to attend a hospital for the operation to be performed within 30 days of receipt of that notice? Would you not consider that those men and boys to be, against their will, the victims of an assault and an atrocity? Or does the will of a thinking being have no standing? They at least are able to try and do something about it. A 3 day old child has no say and can do nothing whatsoever.

[shybipinay]

As We said before, if you feel this way, please feel free to contact our local office of the Ministry of Children and Families and report us for child abuse, molestation or whatever. The manger's name is Susan Murray and her number is 250-674-6818. We're her next door neighbours. She'll know who you are talking about.

Otherwise SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP TRYING TO RAM YOUR PERSONAL BELIEFS DOWN OUR THROATS!!!!!

Sorry Twyla,
And any other pro mutilation folks.
Reality sucks. The hospital charged you for the procedure. The hospital sold the foreskins for a very nice profit. The operation was medically unnecessary, painful, permanently harmful, done for the sake of your feelings of conformity, and ultimately abusive because... there was no medical threat/requirement... and it lacked their adult consent.
If you felt strongly about it, waited until they were 18, and then, with their permission, had it done it, technically would not be abuse; just your obsession.
You might have been a fantastic 'mom' otherwise; that doesn't change the damage you deliberately inflicted.
How great can a dad be to counter sexual abuse on his child?
How great can a mother be to counter sexual abuse on her child?
Circumcision is and has been to the penis and sex life what lobotomy was to the brain. Sure it "still functions" and on extremely rare occasions "perhaps better than it otherwise might have".
I don't have much patience with neurotic denial; or yielding to what's popular.
You did it. You (I'm laughing) can certainly never give back - even with the greatest science today - even a small fraction, of what you blythely destroyed.

If your kids were born in the 1950's, the above truth remains, but it would have been an angelic or brilliant work of sainthood for you to rise above culture.
If in the 1960's (we don't have to conform - we can do our own thing), yeah, you would have been above the average person to not do it because it was morally wrong but medical community supported.
If in the 1970's (don't conform, do your own thing), kinda blurry, morally.
If in the 1980's (conformity? show me scientific reason), you really were borderline deliberately ignorant. You (without any medical need) declined to review material available either statistically in the library (WorldHealthOrganization records since 1945) and the actual publishing of books outlining the fallacy of circumcision. You failed to research the science of an important question.
If in the 1990's, you were consciously ignorant. Dr. Spock publicly reversed his position. You have already heard and ignored (by not investigating in any library) the beginning of the arguments against. You have already heard and understood the concept of "adult consent", and denied that "privilege" for your children.
If after 2000, you really have a feminist problem or severe pathologies. Not just feminist (pro woman in a positive sense), but feminist hate-and-harm-men (in exactly the same way a man would rape a daughter and say "it was to prepare her for womanhood"). The internet... google... If you were born and raised in the bush country/desert and seldom never hear/read anything from civilization, or have an IQ of less than 90, then you can fall under the ignorance plea...
If after 2007, you are a child molester and should do hard jail time for the scum you are (but breath a sigh of relief - you won't). There is no difference from you doing sexual harm to an innocent child for the sake of satisfying your feelings of conformity, than a man doing sexual harm to a child for his feelings of sexual need.
Both are doing clear irreversible sexual harm to innocent children only to appease the unrelated feelings of an adult.

Unfortunately, lobotomies remained legal and despite clear scientific evidence against, remained an option decades after proven ...a destructive shot in the dark. Although if performed now, on less than 20 people a year worldwide, might actually have a scientific ghost of a chance of actually being beneficial, once in a while. Perhaps the same number of men will actually benefit from circumcision.


Vent you spleen now at me for telling the truth.

The final truth is:
If your children want to lose at least half the feeling in their penis in a purely destructive mutilation, it should be their idea and decision as consenting adults after reaching 18 years old.
If you are forcing your sexuality (or pathology) on a child by mutilating his penis... well, that kind of defines the whole thing now, doesn't it?
If you've already molested him, you can live in denial that you didn't harm him... or just face the fact you molested an innocent - for your own emotional reasons only you know - and then come to terms.

As much as you hate me or what I've said, it doesn't change the truth of what I've said.

Feel free to hate me . I merely stand against adults molesting children, legally or illegally, conformist or non conformist, gay or straight, pseudo science medical/wives tales or reality...
You might as well argue female circumcision for the same reasons already presented... sheesh... or just make up reasons to protect your ego... or your sense of society comfort... etc

For goodness sake. If you're obsessed with chopping off something of your innocent child to make him or her 'perfect' chop of some toes or some seldom used fingers... avoid chopping off personal parts... like important parts of the penis.

[TwylaTwobits]

No sorry, I didn't fuck up. I didn't harm any innocents. I made a decision I standby regardless of the mudslinging. You have no info on your personal profile? Are you a parent? Have you ever had to make a decision about your child's future and know that you have a short time to do it in? Do you know that having circumcisions done at a later age is a pretty serious surgery and requires a long time before they can even masturbate let alone have sex or pee without discomfort.


Uncircumcised males also run the risk of tearing the foreskin when they have sex that is a bit too vigorous. Seems something done under local anesthesia with applications of Tylenol for infants to take away any lingering discomfort is a much better alternative than losing what you claim is so precious during sex.

My children were sleeping when they were taken from the room for the procedure, they were sleeping when they came back not even an hour or so later. They never had any major crying that wasn't due to being hungry. So don't tell me I fucked up and mutilated my child and most especially do not tell me how to be a parent.

[rissababynta]

Ya know, it's threads like this, among many others, that seriously make me not want to come here anymore. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with some people here not understanding that there is nothing wrong with having an opinion but you dont' have to be insulting about it.

And I just can not fathom why so many of you feed into the Troll! He does this all the time! He goes back, pulls up a thread that was controversial at one time to stir up shit, and everyone just goes along with it! We could SO easily put an end to that real quick by saying "Oh look, he's at it again" and letting it go, but instead we all choose to sit here, and make the same old comments and points that we made in the past just to keep a thread going that no one wanted to keep going in the first place (which is why it was way back in the archives).

All of this bullshit is just a neverending circle here. It's a shame...a damn shame.

[shybipinay]

Ya know, it's threads like this, among many others, that seriously make me not want to come here anymore. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with some people here not understanding that there is nothing wrong with having an opinion but you dont' have to be insulting about it.

And I just can not fathom why so many of you feed into the Troll! He does this all the time! He goes back, pulls up a thread that was controversial at one time to stir up shit, and everyone just goes along with it! We could SO easily put an end to that real quick by saying "Oh look, he's at it again" and letting it go, but instead we all choose to sit here, and make the same old comments and points that we made in the past just to keep a thread going that no one wanted to keep going in the first place (which is why it was way back in the archives).

All of this bullshit is just a neverending circle here. It's a shame...a damn shame.

Maybe if we knew who the Troll/s is/are by their handle names. Those should be publically displayed on the home page so we know right off the top. Anytime it's discovered a troll exists, that handle should be put front and centre for all to know. Then we could more easily avoid situations like this.

In any event, you are absolutely correct. Had we known this was a troll effort, we never would have fed into it.

[TwylaTwobits]

The troll would be the ones telling people they fucked up and abused and mutilated and even molested their children for choosing to have circumsized. At least Darkeyes posts intelligent and non rude remarks in her debating replies.

[Orlando098]

I've not read all the threads on this, but IMO people should not circumcise boys unless there is a good medical reason. I watched a video a while back where a woman who is an expert on issues about female genital mutilation said male circumcision was worse than the milder female forms, involving piercing, which are universally condemned in the west (along with the extreme forms which involve removing the whole clitoris or even parts of the labia). It is a fact it removes a lot of sensitive nerve endings and removes the possibility of the pleasurable feeling of the skin sliding over the head of the penis. I am from Europe and Europeans are usually quite surprised to hear that it is very common in the US. I don't really get the "it's cleaner" argument as cleaning under it is incredibly easy to do. I read one theory is that it was popular with some people in the 19th Century because they thought it might discourage boys from masturbating, I'm not sure if that is true or not. Anyway, I personally don't like how cut penises look, but then maybe that's just because, like I said, it's not the usual thing where I'm from. I don't think people who have it done to their children are evil abusers or anything though... I just think that logically if you think about it, it is better not to do it and there is no good reason for it; it is just something that has become a cultural norm in some places and people have it done because they think it must be right because it's usual.

Hi, by the way, this is my first post, and sorry if I picked a thread to comment on that some people sound irritated with. I guess it is a bit tangental to discussion of being bi.

[rissababynta]

Maybe if we knew who the Troll/s is/are by their handle names. Those should be publically displayed on the home page so we know right off the top. Anytime it's discovered a troll exists, that handle should be put front and centre for all to know. Then we could more easily avoid situations like this.

In any event, you are absolutely correct. Had we known this was a troll effort, we never would have fed into it.

Hmmm good point. Usually, when threads like this are brought back from the past for no reason, and the person who brought it back is being an asshole and has all of the same patterns and characteristics as the other trolls, it's a pretty in your face thing, yet obviously not clear to everyone.

[Realist]

Man! I'm surprised at the emotionalism over this thread!

Yes, I wish I'd never been cut.

BUT, I know my parents were trusting of the medical professionals and felt that the doctors would have the best advice about my health. Like Twyla, they did what they felt best for me, based on what they were told.

I assure you that they, nor Twyla, would ever do anything, that they felt would harm their children.

The fact that I wish I had not been circumcised, does not make me want to condemn them for doing what they thought was best.

The name calling and mean-spirited outbursts, that some of you wrote, certainly is not the actions of intelligent and reasonable people.

[darkeyes]

Troll or no is immaterial sometimes when old threads are resuscitated.. often it is a good thing when an old issue is given another hearing.. even if its something with which we feel uncomfortable and causes friction. We live in the real world, and the real world is a bloody site nastier than ever .com will ever be..

[darkeyes]

Man! I'm surprised at the emotionalism over this thread!

Yes, I wish I'd never been cut.

BUT, I know my parents were trusting of the medical professionals and felt that the doctors would have the best advice about health.

Like Twyla, they did what they felt best for their child and followed the advice from their physicians. I assure you that they, nor Twyla, did anything that they felt would harm their children.

The fact that I wish I had not been circumcised, does not make me want to condemn them for doing what they thought was best.

The name calling and mean-spirited outbursts, that some of you wrote, certainly is not the actions of intelligent and reasonable people.

I'm not suprised by the emotive posts on this subject Realist.. I seem to remeber a few years ago writing a particularly emotive few myself saying things in a tone I now regret. What you say is right... parents do trust the medical profession, probably too much and it is their advice that they have relied on. European doctors give out quite different advice, as they do in many other countries. I believe a century ago most British boys were circumcised but there was a sea change in opinions in the UK over the following half century or so and now it is relatively rare as I have already said. It is the medical profession in the US who should be taken to task, and society in general.. not individual parents.. debates such as this are needed to keep the issue alive and if only one person changes their mind on a subject as a result of debate, then it is all worth while..