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Oh, this will be interesting, Tenni, because the Eire Government is usually pretty neutral when it comes to world affairs......but if a ship containing Irish nationals, was attacked by Israel, they might not feel that way at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by tenni
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by tenni
Again, well said, Fran.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkeyes
Therefore you stifle freedom of speech and just ignore what you don't to read, hear, or be told.Quote:
Originally Posted by TwylaTwobits
What a shame.......................
PasaQuote:
Originally Posted by Pasadenacpl2
One question is are the waters that touch Gaza, Gaza's territory or Israel territory? If Israel is admitting that Gaza is a free state with its own elected officials, why is it appropriate?
An international maritime law expert states that the procedure for a blockading country is:
Running a blockade is illegal according international maritime law.
Procedure to follow by the blockading country with a ship trying to break the blockade
1/ hail the vessel
2/ fire the shot across the ship
3/ board the ship
Innappropriate force boarding a ship breaking a blockade is not permitted once boarded. The expert stated that Israel made mistakes on Monday that resulted in unnecessary deaths.
The expert states that Israel did not use enough force before boarding. They should have tear gassed the ships on Monday before boarding the ships.
What exactly would you like to see the Israelis do in their territorial waters??? Board every vessel, arrest all those on board, maybe shoot a few innocent, humanitarian people, or perhaps blow the ships out of the water???Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasadenacpl2
Gaza has some coastline...
So what about their territorial waters????????
Gaza belongs to Israel. You can bitch about it, but at the end of the day, those are the facts.
If someone wants to try to break through the blockade, they know what's coming to them.
Pasa
Really? Well, that I am uncertain about. You may be correct but Gaza has its own elected government does it not? I thought that Gaza separated from Palestine. There is too grey an area where Israel gets to state that Palestine and Gaza are not sovereign but they claim to be sovereign.
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Originally Posted by Pasadenacpl2
It nay have been occupied by Israel.. but it has never been owned by them.. and it is no longer occupied by them.. merely blockaded and abused as if the people mean nothing.. and you can talk right wing up your own backside tripe till the cows come home you still talk tripe.. as bloody usual!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasadenacpl2
Why should the Israelis be trusted to deliver any aid to Gaza?Quote:
Originally Posted by TwylaTwobits
What right has Israel to blockade Gaza, in the first place.
Just how did the people on boared the boats, attack soldiers who had not yet reached the deck of the boat?
What makes Israel right and everyone else wrong?
Why do the USA and a few other countries, so often refuse to condemn Israel, when Israel is the agressor?
What gives Jews the right to build on land, which has been taken away from Palestinians? Have you ever seen footage of the Israelis bulldozing Palestinian homes, so that immigrant Jews, can build homes of their own.
What right does Israel have to blight the Holy land, by building a wall across it. If this was 1961 and Israel was the Soviet Union, the country would be roundly condemned.
Gaza does not belong to Israel. What a pity the State of isarael was created in 1948.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasadenacpl2
What right have Israel to decide what is and isn't humanitarian aid? Oh.....let me guess.....they think that Israel is the chosen nation of GodQuote:
Originally Posted by TwylaTwobits
When Gaza stops firing rockets into Israel, perhaps yhey won't be blockaded. They can have peace when they wish. It's up to them.
I was wrong on the ownership issue. Researched amd found I was wrong.
Pasa
I will quote this to you, as spoken by Oliver Cromwell, to Charles I (a proud, arrogant and haughty man, not that I am suggesting you are), to try to make the Monarch see sense and reality and to avoid the necessity to execute the King, the Head of State, the annointed before God, at his coronation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasadenacpl2
If you have found yourself to be incorrect in one area, ''I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken.'' about other things!!
The Israeli State was artificially created, but created it was and 60 years on, it is not going to go away. That is fact. We all know that. But this does not take away the fact, that thousands of Palestinians, both Christian and Muslim, were driven from their homelands and forced to live in refugee camps.
Over the past 60 years, the Israeli state, has shipped in quite a few million, non native Jews, into Israel and those settlers have not had any regard for the land which still belonged to Palestinian Arabs. They have tried to build wherever they wanted, even going into the Arab areas of Jerusalem...a holy city to Jew, Christian and Muslim.
The Israeli state is an arrogant one. It does not think, that it is ever in the wrong and believes that it can do exactly what it likes. You may consider some of the Palestinian factions to be terrorists. To the Palestinians and I am sure, not to all of them, these people are freedom fighters. Fighting for them, where the rest of the world has not.
Over 60 years ago, there were Jews in the land then known as Palestine, who were regarded as terrorists. Those ''terrorists,'' later became leaders of the State of Israel. One man's terrorist is very often, another man's freedom fighter.
The Israeli state does treat the Palestinians badly and looks down on them. Arabs, like Jews, are Semites. We are taught that it is wrong to be anti-semitic. The state of Israel comes down hard on Jewish dissidents and the country also has a large nuclear area and it has nuclear weapons.
Why should Israel be treated differently. Yes, Jews suffered greatly during the Holocaust, but genocide has been going on since the first tribal battles humans fought and we have seen genocide of Muslims in Europe, in recent years and also massacres in parts of Africa and God alone knows, where else.
Gaza has it's own coastline and I would argue that this means it also has territorial waters, which the Israeli's have no right to enter. What the Israelis did to those boats was in international waters, was piracy and an act of war.
The state of Israel is too fond of taking things into it's own hands and carrying out raids, in different parts of the world and don't think that Mossad is not around, in every country, which the Israelis deem necessary. They assassinate people, to get rid of them.
Yes, the other side does this too and that is not right, either. One hits out, the other hits back and so it goes on, but Israel is meant to be a wealthy, civilised country. I see no signs of it.
Google Mordechai Vanunu...a Christian convert. It seems that Jews don't like other Jews converting to Christianity, anymore than Muslims like other Muslims to do so. Also they do not like their dirty secrets revealed.
''I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken.''
Think on a little more.
Bugga..an ther wos me wiv a more detailed smart arse reply 2 ya Pasa... an ya admits ya wer wrong.. yas taken me breath away...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasadenacpl2
Fingers crossed for the Rachel Corrie.. lets hope she does betta than the girl she is named afta did 'gainst an Israeli bulldozer...:)
Now here is a gentleman of decency and honour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasadenacpl2
If Gaza is not occupied and is its own self governing entity then, as someone else pointed out, whose territorial waters are the Israeli boats thundering up and down in (as we are able to see on our news broadcasts)?
Good luck to the present humanitarian sailing.
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The Rachel Corrie has been boarded by Israel from the sea rather than helicopter. There was no resistance from the 11 Palestinian activists from Ireland and Malaysia on board. The attempt to provide humanitarian aid that included medicine, wheelchairs and cement was mainly sponsored by the Free Gaza movement, a Cyprus-based group that has renounced violence. The ship is being taken to the Israel port Ashdad.
pity that the activists never did that in the first place.... 9 lives would have been saved.....Quote:
Originally Posted by tenni
apparently there was a agreement between ireland and israel over this lot and the activists chose to ignore that and try and do it their way......
are the activists that fuckin stupid that they did not learn the first time ???
so now another attempt and thank god that the activists this time, had the common sense not to try and go all rambo on a trained professional soldiers ass.... its just a shame that they lacked the common sense to just sail to the port in the first place.....
I am all for people standing up for their beliefs and rights.... but I believe in the power of compromise and peaceful resolution...... that and I actually would have sunk the ship with all the activists on it, after the aid had been unloaded...
Thats a fuckin awful thing 2 say Duckie... it makes u sound heartless an positively nasty.. thats hardly compromise is it?? It makes u sound every bit as nasty as the I believe Netanyahu and his bloody government are... now we know just where u stand...:( It seems u dont believe in people standing up for their rights at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by Long Duck Dong
Maybe someone is off his meds today?
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Hope its that Tenni.. reely dus...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by tenni
Shame on you, LDD. Shame on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Long Duck Dong
So another act of piracy and war by the Israelis. I hope many more ships set out for Gaza. I hope that ship after ship will try to get across international waters, to the territorial waters of Gaza. I hope that they will sail there in their hundreds.Quote:
Originally Posted by tenni
I 100% agree...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasadenacpl2
How can anyone say that Israel does not want peace? They gave the Gaza strip as the first step towards peace but what happened? It only brought the Palestinians closer to Isreal which means their rockets now go deeper into the Israeli neighborhoods. The Hammas / Palestinians take peoples homes by force in order to shoot rockets from their houses. Then when Israel retaliates the Palestinians scream how Israel shot at innocent people.
There will NEVER be peace when someone says publicly "Israel needs to be destroyed!"
The reason why countries are against Iran / Iraq going nuclear is clearly because everyone knows & its been said that they will use them to remove Israel from the map. If you think differently, you are fk'n crazy.
Israel knows they were at fault and had an itchy trigger but what do you expect when each day the Palestinians are sneaking arms into their country by innocent venues.
Israel probably does want peace.. it cant hold out encircled forever.. sure it has nuclear weapons but do they really believe that will save them from ultimate destruction unless there is peace? I think it was Noam Chomsky who said that Israel is expendable to US policy.. and I think he is right.. when the day comes that Israel is of no further use to the US it will be discarded like so many pairs of old socks. Then what do they do? I believe Israeli's are aware of this and so they will do what they can to neuter as far as possible any opposition from the surrounding states while they continue to be America's favourite son.. Iran and nuclear weapons? That will be the end of both.. Israel more so because Israel is a much smaller population in a much smaller land area.. it may be the end of us all if it escalates... so it is in Israel's interest for peace.. but what Israel wishes is peace at Israel's price and so it throws its weight about like the bully it is.. Arab nations certainly bear their share of responsibility for Israel thinking in this way, but Israel could and should have shown greater magnanimity in victory and more patience in its search for a lasting peace which would be beneficial to all.. now with every year that passes Israel creates more problems for itself by throwing its weight around more often than not against unarmed civilians rather than those they term terrorist..Quote:
Originally Posted by boca.openminded
Israel wants peace on Israel's terms.. at present there is no middle way.. not with Netanyahu at the helm of government... whatever the historical reasons for it, that is their price and that price is unnacceptable to Palestinian arabs in particular and arabs and much of the rest of the muslim world in general..
''How can anyone say that Israel does not want peace?''
Because we can and we can, because of what some of us have observed, over the years. Israel is no more a peace loving nation. than any of the other factions involved.
''They gave the Gaza strip as the first step towards peace but what happened? It only brought the Palestinians closer to Isreal which means their rockets now go deeper into the Israeli neighborhoods.''
The Gaza strip was not Israel's, to give or withold. Gaza was never part of Israel. How did the ''giving,'' of Gaza, bring the Palestinians, closer to Israel, when the Palestinians (Christian and Muslim), were already living there, having been, driven from their homelands, when the State of Israel was created.
What you have stated here is slightly ludicrous and I mean no personal insult, there. The people were already in the area and missiles have been fired at Israel for many years, just as Israel has fired missiles back, for a considerable amount of time, as well as launching invasions and attacks on other neighbours. Or have you forgotten what Israel did to Lebanon a couple of years back. I know I have not.
''The Hammas / Palestinians take peoples homes by force in order to shoot rockets from their houses. Then when Israel retaliates the Palestinians scream how Israel shot at innocent people.''
Of course, the Israeli authorities, would never do a similar thing, would they and they wouldn't bulldoze the homes of Palestinians, so that Israelis could go against agreements reached, about not building on Palestinian land. No, they wouldn't do that, would they?
'There will NEVER be peace when someone says publicly "Israel needs to be destroyed!" '
Agreed..........but you have to remember why Arab and non Arab Muslim countries, are still bitter about the creation....not evolution......but creation and by outside forces......of the State of Israel.
''The reason why countries are against Iran / Iraq going nuclear is clearly because everyone knows & its been said that they will use them to remove Israel from the map. If you think differently, you are fk'n crazy.''
Who, are the Western powers, to tell any other country, that it should not and cannot have, nuclear weapons? Why is it OK for Israel to have nuclear weapons?
What proof is their that Iraq intended to have nuclear weapons? Saddam Hussein was meant to be stockpiling, weapons of mass destruction! Gee....have they been found, yet? Iraq, as a country, has been pretty much screwed up now and will be that way for decades to come.
Just because Iran wants nuclear power, it doesn't mean that they wish to have nuclear weapons. It's gotta be proven.
And here is another thought. If any of the Islamic countries surrounding Israel, had nuclear weapons and decided to use them, to destroy Israel. they would also destroy the most holy places, held sacred by their religion.
The land and the different areas of the land, are totally sacred to Islam, as they are to Judaism and even Christianity. Do you think that they would risk the wrath of Allah, for destroying the ''holy'' land.
They would also kill thousands of Muslims. I'd be more affeared of Israel using her nuclear capabilities.
So we critics of Israel....ain't f*****g crazy.
''Israel knows they were at fault and had an itchy trigger but what do you expect when each day the Palestinians are sneaking arms into their country by innocent venues.''
Oh, Israel will not think that it is at fault, because it believes itself to be the chosen nation. And how do you know the Palestinians are sneaking arms into their country by innocent venues. Do you have proof???
boca "...They gave the Gaza strip as the first step towards peace ..."
It's the Palestinian's land to begin with? So therefore all the Iraelis did was to not occupy it (which would have been more expensive).
The question arises as to whether the Iraelis are in fact solvent. Unless war makes a profit in booty and other gains e.g. oil then it is a drain on a county's resources. Only thing that comes to mind is relentless donations from abroad and unlimited credit from the USA. ANyone have an answer?
Maybe it would have been better if Israel had taken the original offer to set up their country in Uganda.
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From The Guardian newpaper online...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...utopsy-results
Also, reading the Saturday edition report, gives further details.
Relentless donations from abroad and unlimited credit from the USA and good deals on weapons.. and Jaffa oranges..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hephaestion
Today, across Canada in cities such as Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver and many other cities there were protest marches opposed to Israel's actions. In Toronto there was also a smaller group Jewish Defence League counter protesting. In Montreal one person stated to the reporter that there was going to be fund raiser for "Free Gaza Movement". There was also talk about sending a Canada-Quebec ship with humanitarian aid.
One person stated that this time it was not just Arabs who were protesting and against Israel.
The Blockade has been going on for years. EVERY BODY KNOWS about it. There were activists aboard that ship who intended to run through it.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkeyes
If Israel doesn't inspect the ships , then arms are sent in. Israel has successfully been inspecting cargo and having the humanitarian aid sent in for a long time.
Is there a better way for them to protect themselves? Suggestions? Hamas is hell bent for their destruction. They have a right to defend themselves.
The US does the same thing in time of war, and when there are terrorist threats.
First, few, if any are alive currently was driven from their homeland. So, that is false. Further, they were nomads. Not exactly a sedentary lot. But it was 1948.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canticle
Second, Israel took control of Gaza because they threw their lot in with the other Arab nations in 1967. They lost control because they gambled wrong. Sucks to be them, but not Israel's fault.
Whether you like Israel or not, it is just fucking factually incorrect to say that Gaza or the West Bank isn't under their control legally. The Palestinians fucked up in 1967. They and their offspring are still paying the price. That's how war works. Does it suck for them? Yes, but they should have had leaders who chose better.
There is no tit for tat on this where responsibility is to be laid. When the peace agreement was reached, Israel gave Palestine nearly everything it wanted. It was Palestine who broke the agreement. They have, again, chosen poorly.
Israel reached an agreement with them, and they chose to, instead, import weapons from Iran and Syria. They have, again, chosen poorly.
Israel doesn't want Gaza getting anything that could be weaponized. So be it. When you are surrounded by a group of people who state, publicly, that they will not rest until your nation is destroyed, that's what happens. Israel, btw, does not make such statements about it's neighbors.
You may call them bigots, and they may be. But there is bigotry, and then there is real genocidal racism. We can see the proof that Israel is not interested in committing genocide by their words and the fact that, while they control Gaza, the Palestinians are still around to fire those rockets into Tel Aviv. If Israel wished to remove them, they could. They choose not to.
Israel has said, continually in my lifetime, that it wishes a two-state solution. Palestine only wants one: one where all Jews have been killed and their homes taken. That is the stated goal of both the PLA and their other leadership groups.
I do not presume to say that Israel is blameless. But I will defend them as their neighbors makes living peacefully impossible.
And I too hope that hundreds of ships try to break that blockade. And I hope that all of the bleeding heart Anti-Semites are on board. And I hope they are stupid enough to engage the Israelis.
I don't understand how people who spend threads and threads talking about racism and xenophobia can be so anti-Semitic. Racism, of any color, is ugly.
Pasa
No wonder can never get laid off this site. Everyone is busy arguing.
''First, few, if any are alive currently was driven from their homeland. So, that is false. Further, they were nomads. Not exactly a sedentary lot. But it was 1948.''
This is a silly thing to post. Are you trying to say. that no one who was driven from their homelands, no one at all, is alive today? Do people only live 62 years? There will be people, aged 60 and upwards, who lost the right to live in the places, inhabited by their families, for generations. This exile will also affect the children and grandchildren, of those who were turfed out of their homeland.
Are you trying to tell me that every single Muslim or Christian Palestinian was a nomad and as recently as 1948. You talk about 1948 as if it was hundreds of years ago. Who lived in the cities and the villages. This is rubbish.
''Second, Israel took control of Gaza because they threw their lot in with the other Arab nations in 1967. They lost control because they gambled wrong. Sucks to be them, but not Israel's fault.''
Many of the Palestinians lived in refugee camps. Were they supposed to be grateful for that? Israel may have won the 6 day war...and it just happens to be June 6th...right now in the UK, but is does not mean that Israel had any right to hold on to any land. Your words are extremely Christian, Pasa.....not!!
''Whether you like Israel or not, it is just fucking factually incorrect to say that Gaza or the West Bank isn't under their control legally. The Palestinians fucked up in 1967. They and their offspring are still paying the price. That's how war works. Does it suck for them? Yes, but they should have had leaders who chose better.''
You really detest them, don't you.....at least this is how it comes across. Just think of all the money poured into Israel by wealthy western countries and by wealthy Jews from across the world. I guess the Palestinians were just unfortunate, that they missed out on anything like this.
If there had been no artificial creation of the State of Israel, maybe people from the three main religions, of the area, would be living peacefully and working together and living together, as equals and not with the Palestinians treated like 3rd class citizens, or even untouchables.
The State of Israel is not going to go away now, but the politicians who allowed it's creation and the displacement of the Christian and Muslim Palestinian people, have a lot to answer for.
''There is no tit for tat on this where responsibility is to be laid. When the peace agreement was reached, Israel gave Palestine nearly everything it wanted. It was Palestine who broke the agreement. They have, again, chosen poorly.''
I don't know how old you are, Pasa, but over the years I can remember there being many different ''rounds'' of peace talks and treaties signed. Israel is no better at keeping it's word than are the others. Look at this way.....originally, they were all the same people and I guess that even the European jews, shipped in, to become European Israelis, in an Asian land, must still have some of the same shared genetic heritage. They have that survivor instinct and all those peoples share that.
''Israel reached an agreement with them, and they chose to, instead, import weapons from Iran and Syria. They have, again, chosen poorly.''
Probably because they knew that they would not be able to trust the bully boy State of Israel and who can blame them.
''Israel doesn't want Gaza getting anything that could be weaponized. So be it. When you are surrounded by a group of people who state, publicly, that they will not rest until your nation is destroyed, that's what happens. Israel, btw, does not make such statements about it's neighbors.''
Israel does not have the right. to want to control over a people. After all...they did not like it. They have no rights in that area...not one bit. Israel doesn't just say it will destroy it's enemies...it actually does and sometimes in the most secret manner. Got to love all that money coming in to keep them going. That must have helped a lot, over the years.
''You may call them bigots, and they may be. But there is bigotry, and then there is real genocidal racism. We can see the proof that Israel is not interested in committing genocide by their words and the fact that, while they control Gaza, the Palestinians are still around to fire those rockets into Tel Aviv. If Israel wished to remove them, they could. They choose not to.''
Bigots...yes and also racist and like any country which gets too swollen a head....they could be capable of anything. They choose to shoot children and peaceful activists. If the boat, where the killings took place, was the last one to be boarded, I am not surprised if people tried to arm themselves, knowing that they would be no match for the trigger happy soldiers.
''Israel has said, continually in my lifetime, that it wishes a two-state solution. Palestine only wants one: one where all Jews have been killed and their homes taken. That is the stated goal of both the PLA and their other leadership groups.''
There should never have been a separate Jewish State. It was born out of guilt. Justify removing a people from their homeland, so that European Jews and Jews from other parts of the world, could be brought in, to mass populate the fledgling state.
Perhaps, if you were a Christian Palestinian, you would be able to understand how those people feel and just why they have a deep hatred of Israel.
''I do not presume to say that Israel is blameless. But I will defend them as their neighbors makes living peacefully impossible.''
Of course you will......and for obvious reasons.
''And I too hope that hundreds of ships try to break that blockade. And I hope that all of the bleeding heart Anti-Semites are on board. And I hope they are stupid enough to engage the Israelis.''
How can the people on board the aid ships, be anti-semitic? What are Arabs? You automatically think, that because people do not approve of Israel and her behaviour, that they are anti-semitic...anti-Jewish. How juvenile.
And the words you speak about hoping ships encounter the Israelis...are not terribly Christian.
''I don't understand how people who spend threads and threads talking about racism and xenophobia can be so anti-Semitic. Racism, of any color, is ugly.''
I haven't seen any racist comments. I have seen disapproval of one particular nation and the way that nation's arrogance, makes it unpopular. I am not anti-semitic....but I am anti the state of Israel as she is, at this point in history. I don't believe in the cause of Zion......because I don't think that Jews are any more special than anyone else. I don't think that Israel has some God given right to the land it occupies. That view does not make me anti-semitic...nor anyone else.
You need to be careful who you call racist...especially when your own words are looked at.
origin.......from wikipedia......and there's more there.
The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, Arabs, and Ethiopian Semites. It was proposed at first to refer to the languages related to Hebrew by Ludwig Schlözer, in Eichhorn's "Repertorium", vol. VIII (Leipzig, 1781), p. 161. Through Eichhorn the name then came into general usage (cf. his "Einleitung in das Alte Testament" (Leipzig, 1787), I, p. 45). In his "Gesch. der neuen Sprachenkunde", pt. I (Göttingen, 1807) it had already become a fixed technical term.[1]
The word "Semitic" is an adjective derived from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah in the Bible (Genesis 5.32, 6.10, 10.21), or more precisely from the Greek derivative of that name, namely Σημ (Sēm); the noun form referring to a person is Semite.
The term "anti-Semitic" (or "anti-Semite") overwhelmingly refers to Jews only. It was coined in 1879 by German journalist Wilhelm Marr in a pamphlet called, "The Victory of Germandom over Jewry". Using ideas of race and nationalism, Marr argued that Jews had become the first major power in the West. He accused them of being liberals, a people without roots who had Judaized Germans beyond salvation. In 1879 Marr founded the "League for Anti-Semitism". [2]
The concept of "Semitic" peoples is derived from Biblical accounts of the origins of the cultures known to the ancient Hebrews. Those closest to them in culture and language were generally deemed to be descended from their forefather Shem. Enemies were often said to be descendants of his cursed nephew, Canaan. In Genesis 10:21-31, Shem is described as the father of Aram, Asshur, and Arpachshad: the Biblical ancestors of the Arabs, Aramaeans, Assyrians, Babylonians, Chaldeans, Sabaeans, and Hebrews, etc., all of whose languages are closely related; the language family containing them was therefore named Semitic by linguists. However, the Canaanites and Amorites also spoke a language belonging to this family, and are therefore also termed Semitic in linguistics, despite being described in Genesis as sons of Ham (See Sons of Noah). Shem is also described in Genesis as the father of Elam and Lud, although the Elamites and Lydians usually thought to descend from these spoke languages that were not Semitic.
The hypothetical Proto-Semitic language, ancestral to historical Semitic languages in the Middle East, is thought to have been originally from either the Arabian Peninsula (particularly around Yemen) or the adjacent Ethiopian highlands. But its region of origin is still much debated and uncertain with, for example, a recent bayesian analysis identifying an origin for Semitic languages in the Levant around 5,750 BP with a single introduction from southern Arabia into Africa around 2,800 BP.[3] The Semitic language family is also considered a component of the larger Afroasiatic macro-family of languages. Identification of the hypothetical proto-Semitic region of origin is therefore dependent on the larger geographic distributions of the other language families within Afroasiatic.
its realistic fran....Quote:
Originally Posted by darkeyes
I support the aid movement, they were doing the right thing..... but the activist side of it was the issue...... thats why I have no issue with the transport with the aid... I have issues with how it was done and the cost to it...... besides, was I not told in this same site that every fight for rights has collateral damage ????? why has that suddenly changed ??????
israel made a reasonable offer that could have been accepted without loss of life..... and it was ignored by the activists...
professional soldiers landed on the boat and were attacked by activists.... not the humanitarians......
a second ship was launched and once again a agreement by israel and ireland was ignored, by the activists....
humanitarian aid and activism are two separate things..... I am intelligent enuf to know the difference between helping people in need and the desire to create more shit in the name of activism
Iran fk'n publicly stated they want to REMOVE Israel from the map. What do you think they are going to use nuclear weapons for? Also, Iran does not allow the UN to to random checks of their nuclear facilities. All checkups must be on Iran's terms & schedule. Their is proof that Iran has moved their nukes from 1 area to another so when the UN checks area 1 they find nothing there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canticle
Why is it ok for Israel to have nukes? Because its proven they are not using their nukes against other countries. If you think differently then Iran would have nuked years ago.
I can't believe you are siding with Iran. Its unbelievable. Hey, Im not in favor of what happened with the convey either but to be in favor of Iran is just wrong..
Do not bring up Hussain and weapons of mass destruction. We all know Bush Jr was doing this as a way to fight his fathers battle which has NOTHING to do with what we are talking about.
by the way how does states / countries get to be states or countries? Its by war or money. Most of the US states were actually created by who paid the most money (example: The Louisiana Purchase)...
Canticle - you exist in a world of should haves and ifs. The state of Israel should never have existed. Well, it does. Deal with it. We wouldn't need a two state solution if Israel had never existed. Well, it does. Hi, welcome to the real world.
You are incorrect to say that winning a war doesn't give you the right to keep territory you conquer. That's the way war works. In fact, that's the way any nation works.
Borders, Language, Culture. When you are incapable or unwilling to defend these, you lose your nation. The Palestinians were incapable of winning their war. They were incapable of keeping their border secure. As a result, the borders moved. That's the way it works.
I don't care much for the Palestinian's no. Not due to race, but due to their continual resort to violence, and their declaration that they want to exterminate the Jews. Once they say that, I have no pity. If they want a peace, I'm all for it. If they want war, I'm all for allowing Israel to truly bring them war.
Until now, Israel has played nice. Imagine if they finally said "enough."
Pasa
It's time for USA to fly in food/medical supplies to Palestine, just like we did to Germany when Russia blockaded them.
Eventually Egypt will open their borders to Gaza and the Israeli control of all that enters/exits Palestine will end for good.