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IwannaFUCKALLNIGHT
Quit spamming your quack of a doctor.
He's hardly a quack. At least we made an effort to make an informed decision and didn't trash others for their beliefs in the process as you are doing here. You have no right to tell me what I can post or not. Look to your own posts before you criticize the content of someone else's post. Some people may actually find those links informative. It's obvious you don't and will refuse to even look.
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Lasting longer during sex is not related to circumcision or getting your penis mutilated based on pointless aesthetic reasons like you did or by religion.
But you related it that way by saying an uncut man lasts longer. you just contradicted yourself. Busted!!
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It's been proven that men who are intact with a foreskin last longer since they have complete control over their penis and get stimulated in ways during sex that men who are cut are just jealous of and can't even imagine or comprehend.
Prove it other than to state your own personal agenda! My husband can last upwards of an hour or more. It's called technique and practice. To each his own. Some men last long, others don't. He's hardly jealous of any uncut man. Maybe some, like you, are jealous of other men for whatever reason.
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If you had actually cared about your son you would have left his penis intact with a foreskin and not had it mutilated just for shallow and asthetic reasons that you did just so he'd look like his dad. :rolleyes:
If you believe that, then contact the Ministry of Children and Families where I live and tell them we abused our child. BTW, the Ministry manager of our local office is also our next door neighbour. I'm sure you'll get a long way with her. You'd better read our post again. This was not just to have son look like Dad.
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I hope one day your son gets angry at you and is mad that he did not have the choice to remain intact and decide if he wants to keep his foreskin or not with his own free will and not something that you as misinformed parents decided for him.
He won't get angry just as my husband is not angry at his parents because we will talk with him and educate him. He will understand that to have the procedure at the age of an adult, where presumably he can make his own decisions, could prove detrimental to his health as the research we studied revealed. Not to mention the level of pain is far greater having it done at an adult age and the healing time is much longer.
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Cut penises can be ugly too and have all sorts of defects and there are men who have had most or all of their cock removed during routine infant male genital mutilation or circumcision.
The key words there are "can be". What percentage of men are we talking about here? What method was used? We listed 2 and I bet a switch blade could be number 3 and the cause of the defects and mutilations. Get me?
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I've been with men who are cut and they have little to no sensitivity in their penis and it's only after manually stretching their remaining foreskin if they have it that they regained some penile pleasure.
Awwwwww..........you must be pretty lousy in bed. We feel sorry for you that you can't arouse your cut men so well.
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Then there are the nasty and ugly scars from circumcision that are always going to be there and a penis that is cut does lose both the length and circumference that it would have had more of if it had been left alone and kept intact with a foreskin.
What ugly scars? My boys don't have any. My husband is just big enough for me. Anything bigger would hurt.
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Circumcision is not some magic bullet that prevents someone from getting STDs and using condoms and safer sex techniques actually work a lot better than genital mutilation does. Even condoms are not 100% guaranteed to prevent STDs
Never said it was a magic bullet. Maybe just a good deterrent (spelling?). Not everyone can use condoms.
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All of the men I know who are HIV+ or have had or have an STD are cut. If male genital mutilation were that effective at preventing HIV and STDs thousands of men in America would not have gotten STDs or HIV when safer sex was not known about.
You must not know very many men. Never said it was totally effective at preventing HIV or STD's. Maybe they shouldn't be bare backing. I'll bet you don't even know the root cause of HIV. Read a book called the "Medical Mafia" by Doctor Guylaine Lanctot. The answer will surprise you. I'll give you a hint:
Acquired Immune Deficiency
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Most of the men in my age group grew up at a time when circumcision was done without even parental permission.
So?
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Most of my contemporaries now dead from HIV complications were circumcised. Most older men in my age group now fighting HIV or other STDs are circumcised.
Again, you don't know many men do you?
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Research has shown that a penis that is intact is actually more "clean" than a penis that is cut.
Just how skewed/biased is this research. You talk loud about it, but provide no facts, evidence or other proof beyond a reasonable doubt. We at least provided a link to a healthier circumcision option. Did we do a bad thing?
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It's very easy to keep a penis with a foreskin clean you just wash with soap and water like you should do with any other part of your body.
We understand it is a little more than that for uncut cocks. Check your facts and get back to us.
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Your doctor is lying to you that your son "slept" as when male genital mutilation is done to infant boys they pass out from the pain and that is what he is describing as "sleep". :rolleyes:
I guess our eyes were lying to us also as he was asleep when we brought him in to the doctor's office. I guees our eyes were lying to us as we watched the procedure just inches away from the doctor. Call it "circumcision" instead of continuing the fear factor with your "mutilation" terminology. We're not afraid of you no matter what you say.
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If you actually really cared about your son and about his penis and sexual health you would have left him intact like he is supposed to be.
Did you ever stop to think that parents who do opt for circumcision do care about their child and his over all health in post puberty years? Where is it written that he is supposed to remain intact? Show us the law and then call the cops.
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Cut penises are just ugly, mutilated, and damaged and they have a major part missing that's fun for men and women to play with the foreskin!Circumcision is a crime against humanity.
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Trying to shove it down my throat (pun intended) as you have blatantly done here has us reaching for the "iggy" button.
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Originally Posted by
IwannaFUCKALLNIGHT
I hope one day your son gets angry at you and is mad that he did not have the choice to remain intact and decide if he wants to keep his foreskin or not with his own free will and not something that you as misinformed parents decided for him.
I forgot one very important comment. The second you wished ill will towards my son and family, your argument and indeed your very character and personality lost all respect and credibility with us.
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DiamondDog
Don't forget that the length and width of the penis are made smaller and decreased by circumcision too!
Maybe true, my present partner has his foreskin and is really really big.
I am cut and not so big. Could genetics be an issue too?
But, neither of us is unhappy about the skin or lack of it. Penile sensitivity? He is not so easy to bring to climax as me. But, that means I can have as much fun as I want before I make him cum. I know I should be harder to please because I am cut, but when he sucks me it feels soo good.
For sure, he definitely needs to get it clean before sex or it stinks, smells and tastes like dead fish. So, he always gets a shower just before sex with me. Me, I do not have that problem but I always get very clean for him.
So, I am happy that I am cut and he is not cut and would be just as happy with all other combinations of cut and not cut. Mutilation? My dick is looking good to me and him. So, I do not feel that way at all.
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DiamondDog
the idea that a mutilated penis is somehow "cleaner" when it's not, and circumcision of men and women should be outlawed STDs.
"Mutilated" is a bad choice of words, circumcision has been around a long...long..time. It is cleaner and for it to be outlawed is ridiculous, are we living in the 1900's Soviet Union. It is all personal preference. You may not like it but to have that kind of closed mind is what should be outlawed.
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Pasa
You're hilarious sometimes...lol I tend to agree with you on this issue.
One reason why we may not see uncut dick in porno is that we are watching North American porn? Maybe, they have uncut dick in Euro porn?
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Bluebiyou
Braces do not destroy. Weak analogy. Even when I got braces, the doctor asked my permission to proceed.
Sometimes, infants only days old, do not know the 'proper' reaction to hideous trauma (as evidenced by the fact that they seldom write their congressman).
Have you studied the common reaction of a 3 day old to a traumatic car accident?
Did you do it (circumcision) to yourself first?...
Only a true leader would...
Why don't you run out and circumcise your face? Imagine the beauty of freedom from mouth cancer! Vanilla and chocolate. Try destroying some of your flesh you've learned to value... for a needless whim.
Yes, yes, very hateful and challenging.
Better yet, and most importantly. Are you ready to offer your child complete reparation of what you intentionally inflicted?
Can you create 12 -15 square inches of the most evolutionarily advanced flesh and add it perfectly... upon his request? Of course you can't, you can only destroy.
Try betraying everything you know and understand, ... and create and add to his life/penis. Really create and add... real flesh.
I know this is savage. To some extent I am truly sorry. To another... you chose this... not your child. You owe it to your child to educate him (them) in what you really destroyed (informed consent means you tell him the REAL loss). Telling a child that they've lost 1/2 their sexual feeling before they've matured sexually... is another move in neurosis...
But I'm sure you... and many others... will have no problem in the neurosis continuum. It is very hard to rise above common evil.
congratulations, I will no longer respond to threads on this site..........I can't stand narrowminded people who feel what they believe is right and that's it.
You people are pathetic...........goodbye
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I think it might be helpful to repost this quote of mine from earlier in the thread:
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coyotedude
I certainly expected heated discussion and strong feeling with this topic. But I also expected us all to act like adults. We can have strong opinions and still be respectful of one another as human beings. None of us are perfect; none of us have all the answers to life's nagging questions. None of us have any reason to put ourselves on a pedestal above others with whom we may disagree on any given issue.
It's just as true now as it was when I wrote it in 2008.
Peace
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bicurcple
congratulations, I will no longer respond to threads on this site..........I can't stand narrowminded people who feel what they believe is right and that's it.
You people are pathetic...........goodbye
Dus luff peeps that stand and fight ther corner.. is it narrow minded to refuse to inflict on an infant summat wich is no less than a grievous assault and mutilation?
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I find this thread disturbing to me in many ways. I have three boys, they were all circumsized. Three different hospitals and three different doctors and they have had no issues and even peed right on time. The last one peed on the doctor as she was checking his circumcision the next day. The choice was presented to me and really for the reason that it was "the norm" I chose to have them cut. Nowhere in the discussion was anything mentioned about losing feeling or possible future problems, other than make sure they pee before they leave the hospital.
My boys will never be made fun of in the locker rooms after gym class. They will not feel different in the men's room's as they grow up. I made my decision and even after all the posts of negativity to it, I will not regret it. When they are old enough and have questions I'll answer them proudly.
So please don't tell me I abused my kids. They are three of the most loving and brilliant kids in the world.
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Twyla..am not gonna tell you that you abused your kids.. you live in a country whose culture makes it the norm to have boys circumcised. I live in one where the opposite is the case and excepting for religious reasons it is relatively rare. Most of Europe do not cut and it is in my opinion quite right that this should be so.
It is quite right that we have a proper debate on the issue not just in these forums but in American society as a whole. We do not remove breast tissue from young girls for instance to prevent cancer of the breast as a preventative treatment to escape a disease which still kills many women.. and even men for that matter although in far fewer numbers. We abhor and do not allow female circumcision on infants in both our countries and quite rightly so. Any such surgery unless it is for sound medical reasons is an assault and unnecessary mutilation on a child. Some have outlined the damage done. It should therefore be prohibited.
In the United States, it is the "norm" for boys to be circumcised shortly after birth. Parents expect it and are encouraged, as you were by the medical profession. The abuse is not yours as a mother, but culpability is that of the medical profession who encourage circumcision and perform it for profit and American society who have never properly thought of this as an issue. They have never thought of it because it has always been the "norm" and is considered standard practice. It is time that parents began to stand up to the medical profession and campaign against this abuse of a child. At a personal level each parent should simply say no to any pressure from the medical profession when they press for it to be done. In time it will begin to be a thing of the past. The religious issue is something else, and will be much more difficult to stop circumcision completely because of that, but not I hope impossible.
I have argued much more passionately about this issue in the past, and that passion remains, but I must be getting old or something because I have moderated my view on this slightly. There are reasons why male circumcison can be performed, but not compelling reasons. I do not consider STD prevention sufficiently acceptable or any other disease prevention. If we went down that road for every disease we may as well cease to exist. If a child at some stage in the future when he is old enough to make an informed choice, then that is fine. Some women have their breasts removed as a preventative. That is not a route I could go down unless the cancer returns and I am left with no choice, yet I respect their decision which is informed and for them the correct one. So it should be with boys and circumcision. We deprive them of choice when they are truly able to make it.
My own view is that circumcision should be prohibited by law save in pressing medical cases.. but for now..the decision is left in the hands of parents.. parents can make leaving boys foreskin intacto the norm... I hope in time they do..
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darkeyes
Twyla..am not gonna tell you that you abused your kids.. you live in a country whose culture makes it the norm to have boys circumcised. I live in one where the opposite is the case and excepting for religious reasons it is relatively rare. Most of Europe do not cut and it is in my opinion quite right that this should be so.
It is quite right that we have a proper debate on the issue not just in these forums but in American society as a whole. We do not remove breast tissue from young girls for instance to prevent cancer of the breast as a preventative treatment to escape a disease which still kills many women.. and even men for that matter although in far fewer numbers. We abhor and do not allow female circumcision on infants in both our countries and quite rightly so. Any such surgery unless it is for sound medical reasons is an assault and unnecessary mutilation on a child. It should therefore be prohibited.
In the United States, it is the "norm" for boys to be circumcised shortly after birth. Parents expect it and are encouraged, as you were by the medical profession. The abuse is not yours as a mother, but culpability is that of the medical profession who encourage circumcision and perform it for profit and American society who have never properly thought of this as an issue. They have never thought of it because it has always been the "norm" and is considered standard practice. It is time that parents began to stand up to the medical profession and campaign against this abuse of a child. At a personal level each parent should simply say no to any pressure from the medical profession when they press for it to be done. In time it will begin to be a thing of the past. The religious issue is something else, and will be much more difficult to stop circumcision completely because of that, but not I hope impossible.
I have argued much more passionately about this issue in the past, and that passion remains, but I must be getting old or something because I have moderated my view on this slightly. There are reasons why male circumcison can be performed, but not compelling reasons. I do not consider STD prevention sufficiently acceptable or any other disease prevention. If we went down that road for every disease we may as well cease to exist. If a child at some stage in the future when he is old enough to make an informed choice, then that is fine. Some women have their breasts removed as a preventative. That is not a route I could go down unless the cancer returns and I am left with no choice, yet I respect their decision which is informed and for them the correct one. So it should be with boys and circumcision. We deprive them of choice when they are truly able to make it.
My own view is that circumcision should be prohibited by law save in pressing medical cases.. but for now..the decision is left in the hands of parents.. parents can make leaving boys foreskin intacto the norm... I hope in time they do..
It is the case with many things in American Medical practice.
Take for instance the way many of them treat intersexxed folks.
The practice of circumcision was originally started to curb masturbation.
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darkeyes
Dus luff peeps that stand and fight ther corner.. is it narrow minded to refuse to inflict on an infant summat wich is no less than a grievous assault and mutilation?
I really do not like reading anything from you......It takes to long to figure out what your saying, just incase you didn't know..... you don't have to write with an accent.
Maybe it's just cause I am American but for you people to sit here and tell people who are cut that they are mutilated is pathetic, for you to tell me I mutilated my sons is pathetic. You are no better than the anti-abortionist who want to blow up a clinic to make your point. What will you do next....blow up a hospital where children are born because they do circumcisions? Give it up.........I am happy with my cock, I know many men who are cut and happy with their's. I know some who are un-cut who are happy with their's. It is just personal, some people like it and some people don't. Why can't it be left at that. Personally I think un-cut is gross, maybe that's just because I was raised that way....but again I am a free person who has my own beliefs and preferences.......That is what makes us human.
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darkeyes
Dus luff peeps that stand and fight ther corner.. is it narrow minded to refuse to inflict on an infant summat wich is no less than a grievous assault and mutilation?
Fran, his comment about people being narrowminded could be applied to most things on this site, not just what he was referring to about how people in this thread are going over the top about how their opinion is the best. Like in your comment right here...for someone who has an opinion in favor of circumcision, this comment not only lets people know how you feel about it, but it is put in a way where a person on the side for it could feel insulted and feel as though you are saying that "this is the right way, otherwise you are a moster"...in so many words of course...
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rissababynta
Fran, his comment about people being narrowminded could be applied to most things on this site, not just what he was referring to about how people in this thread are going over the top about how their opinion is the best. Like in your comment right here...for someone who has an opinion in favor of circumcision, this comment not only lets people know how you feel about it, but it is put in a way where a person on the side for it could feel insulted and feel as though you are saying that "this is the right way, otherwise you are a moster"...in so many words of course...
Think me comment in response 2 Twyla reflects how me feels Ris .. it is monstrous but its a monstrosity wich has been allowed 2 grow an becum acceptable an no 1 really thinks bout it 2 much.. it is an assault an it is a mutilation.. but its 1 wich society an the so called medical experts encourages in ur country... nowadays a better informed society shud put a stop 2 it... individually are peeps monsters over this? No..course not.. its how its always been.. an is dun for reasons wich really r jus not gud enuff ne more..but it don havta b..
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bicurcple
I really do not like reading anything from you......It takes to long to figure out what your saying, just incase you didn't know..... you don't have to write with an accent.
Maybe it's just cause I am American but for you people to sit here and tell people who are cut that they are mutilated is pathetic, for you to tell me I mutilated my sons is pathetic. You are no better than the anti-abortionist who want to blow up a clinic to make your point. What will you do next....blow up a hospital where children are born because they do circumcisions? Give it up.........I am happy with my cock, I know many men who are cut and happy with their's. I know some who are un-cut who are happy with their's. It is just personal, some people like it and some people don't. Why can't it be left at that. Personally I think un-cut is gross, maybe that's just because I was raised that way....but again I am a free person who has my own beliefs and preferences.......That is what makes us human.
No better huh? Blow up clinics??? Shows ya wot ya kno bout me sweetheart...
Am not stoppin peeps from gettin circumcised..wanna c peeps do it for the rite reasons at an age wen they can make a properly informed decision.. THEY can make..NOT someone else.. thats proper freedom hun..
Sorry ya don like wot me sez or how me rites..but glad yas popped bak 2 say ya bit..:)
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I understand what your trying to say, that an infant does not have the choice, but what about breast feeding? an infant does not have a choice in that matter either.....should I be upset with my mother because I was not breast fed.......or should I say that everyone who was breast fed is a freak...a monster. I just do not feel because you think it is mutilation and an atrocity that you are correct................It is just your opinion....and that is that. The threads on here that are against circumcision are just going overboard with it. So you feel it is wrong and it mutilation....whatever.....trying to make people who are circumcised feel like there is something wrong with them....that is what's wrong.
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Parents make decisions for their children throughout their lives......for you to condemn for their choices because of your own belief is wrong!!!!!!!!!! Period!!!!!
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If I waited for my sons to make their own choices they would be hype-up on sugar, playing video games 24-7 and would never step foot in a school.....and resenting me as they grow older because I didn't make them eat right or go to school..........because I want them to make their own decisions. LOL
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FWIW: Breast feeding does no permanent damage to the infant.
No one is saying that being circumcised makes you a freak.
There are some of us that wish we had been consulted before parts of our body got lopped off, however.
Am I angry with my parents about it? No, they were simply following the advice of the medical establishment (and in some cases weren't really given a choice.)
You might be asking or thinking "why does a pre-op transsexual care about her foreskin?" Because it could have been used to create a more realistic vagina. Now, I don't have that "material" to work with, due to a decision that my parents may not even have thought about.
But it does need to be put out there that this is a medically unnecessary procedure that changes the person for life without consent.
To do something because "that's the way we've always done it" or "because that's what everyone does" isn't always a good idea, especially when it changes a persons life.
:2cents:
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MarieDelta
To do something because "that's the way we've always done it" or "because that's what everyone does" isn't always a good idea, especially when it changes a persons life.
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uh.......those decisions are made everyday..........Parents make decisions that will change their childs lives because "that's the way we've always done it" or "because that's what everyone does" or because that is the decision they felt was right for them........are you going to condemn all of them for all those decisions? Again your choice your belief's........and they are different from mine.
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MarieDelta
FWIW: Breast feeding does no permanent damage to the infant.
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http://www.promom.org/101/
here is a link for a study that suggests breast fed children average a 10 point higher IQ than bottled fed..........my fucking parents..........those bastards could have made me smarter...........damn them..............they mutilated my brain...........lol
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LetMeHitItFromThBack
How is what that person said ill will?
Yo Bozo, with the similar handle and even similar comments and writing style to the other person (InTheNameOfLove) leaving us to believe you are both the same person using 2 different handles, what part of the following quote is not wishing ill will upon us????
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I hope one day your son gets angry at you and is mad that he did not have the choice to remain intact and decide if he wants to keep his foreskin or not with his own free will and not something that you as misinformed parents decided for him.
Do I need to explain it to you???
Oh, for those who haven't seen uncut cock in porno flicks, we have a whole tape of uncut cocks picked off of satellite tv at a hotel. So it is out there. We don't watch it much and usually FF past the uncut scenes.
We totally agree with bicurcple but wondering why you're still posting after claiming you won't waste time with these pathetic people.
mariedelta: What about NOT breast feeding your baby? That was the point trying to be made, not the other way around as you have expressed it with your "FWIW" statement.
darkeyes: if a child waits until he is old enough to decide on circumcision, the risks become greater, the pain is far greater intensified and the healing time takes longer. We had a room mate who had his done while living with us. He went through hell. Incidentally, he is Scottish. See also bicurcple's comments.
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I find this thread disturbing to me in many ways.
Thank-you TwylaTwobits
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Okay....i'm going to say it. WTF are you doing saying that circumsizing your children when they are babies, as recommended by the pediatrician who came to hospital to take care of your son, now molestation? Really, please get a grip. A personal opinion about circumcision doesn't make anyone's else's opinions or decisions either wrong or immoral.
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bicurcple
I understand what your trying to say, that an infant does not have the choice, but what about breast feeding? an infant does not have a choice in that matter either.....should I be upset with my mother because I was not breast fed.......or should I say that everyone who was breast fed is a freak...a monster. I just do not feel because you think it is mutilation and an atrocity that you are correct................It is just your opinion....and that is that. The threads on here that are against circumcision are just going overboard with it. So you feel it is wrong and it mutilation....whatever.....trying to make people who are circumcised feel like there is something wrong with them....that is what's wrong.
Not sure yas grasped it hun.. mutilition is the harming or removal of a body or part of a body which should be there..a boy is born with a foreskin and it should be there. To deliberately mutilate someone is not necessarily an atrocity.. it depends on the reason and whether it was concensual.. to deliberately mutilate someone when it is unnecessary and without their permission is an atrocity...
..and no one is trying to make any who are circumcised that they are freaks.. quite the contrary... it is the culture of infant circumcision we are critical of.. not those who have been so cut...
.. let me put it this way.. what would you say if the government decided that all those men and boys who were uncircumcised were to be compelled to attend a hospital for the operation to be performed within 30 days of receipt of that notice? Would you not consider that those men and boys to be, against their will, the victims of an assault and an atrocity? Or does the will of a thinking being have no standing? They at least are able to try and do something about it. A 3 day old child has no say and can do nothing whatsoever.
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As We said before, if you feel this way, please feel free to contact our local office of the Ministry of Children and Families and report us for child abuse, molestation or whatever. The manger's name is Susan Murray and her number is 250-674-6818. We're her next door neighbours. She'll know who you are talking about.
Otherwise SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP TRYING TO RAM YOUR PERSONAL BELIEFS DOWN OUR THROATS!!!!!
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Ontheside
Sorry Twyla,
And any other pro mutilation folks.
Reality sucks. The hospital charged you for the procedure. The hospital sold the foreskins for a very nice profit. The operation was medically unnecessary, painful, permanently harmful, done for the sake of your feelings of conformity, and ultimately abusive because... there was no medical threat/requirement... and it lacked their adult consent.
If you felt strongly about it, waited until they were 18, and then, with their permission, had it done it, technically would not be abuse; just your obsession.
You might have been a fantastic 'mom' otherwise; that doesn't change the damage you deliberately inflicted.
How great can a dad be to counter sexual abuse on his child?
How great can a mother be to counter sexual abuse on her child?
Circumcision is and has been to the penis and sex life what lobotomy was to the brain. Sure it "still functions" and on extremely rare occasions "perhaps better than it otherwise might have".
I don't have much patience with neurotic denial; or yielding to what's popular.
You did it. You (I'm laughing) can certainly never give back - even with the greatest science today - even a small fraction, of what you blythely destroyed.
If your kids were born in the 1950's, the above truth remains, but it would have been an angelic or brilliant work of sainthood for you to rise above culture.
If in the 1960's (we don't have to conform - we can do our own thing), yeah, you would have been above the average person to not do it because it was morally wrong but medical community supported.
If in the 1970's (don't conform, do your own thing), kinda blurry, morally.
If in the 1980's (conformity? show me scientific reason), you really were borderline deliberately ignorant. You (without any medical need) declined to review material available either statistically in the library (WorldHealthOrganization records since 1945) and the actual publishing of books outlining the fallacy of circumcision. You failed to research the science of an important question.
If in the 1990's, you were consciously ignorant. Dr. Spock publicly reversed his position. You have already heard and ignored (by not investigating in any library) the beginning of the arguments against. You have already heard and understood the concept of "adult consent", and denied that "privilege" for your children.
If after 2000, you really have a feminist problem or severe pathologies. Not just feminist (pro woman in a positive sense), but feminist hate-and-harm-men (in exactly the same way a man would rape a daughter and say "it was to prepare her for womanhood"). The internet... google... If you were born and raised in the bush country/desert and seldom never hear/read anything from civilization, or have an IQ of less than 90, then you can fall under the ignorance plea...
If after 2007, you are a child molester and should do hard jail time for the scum you are (but breath a sigh of relief - you won't). There is no difference from you doing sexual harm to an innocent child for the sake of satisfying your feelings of conformity, than a man doing sexual harm to a child for his feelings of sexual need.
Both are doing clear irreversible sexual harm to innocent children only to appease the unrelated feelings of an adult.
Unfortunately, lobotomies remained legal and despite clear scientific evidence against, remained an option decades after proven ...a destructive shot in the dark. Although if performed now, on less than 20 people a year worldwide, might actually have a scientific ghost of a chance of actually being beneficial, once in a while. Perhaps the same number of men will actually benefit from circumcision.
Vent you spleen now at me for telling the truth. :)
The final truth is:
If your children want to lose at least half the feeling in their penis in a purely destructive mutilation, it should be their idea and decision as consenting adults after reaching 18 years old.
If you are forcing your sexuality (or pathology) on a child by mutilating his penis... well, that kind of defines the whole thing now, doesn't it?
If you've already molested him, you can live in denial that you didn't harm him... or just face the fact you molested an innocent - for your own emotional reasons only you know - and then come to terms.
As much as you hate me or what I've said, it doesn't change the truth of what I've said.
Feel free to hate me :). I merely stand against adults molesting children, legally or illegally, conformist or non conformist, gay or straight, pseudo science medical/wives tales or reality...
You might as well argue female circumcision for the same reasons already presented... sheesh... or just make up reasons to protect your ego... or your sense of society comfort... etc
For goodness sake. If you're obsessed with chopping off something of your innocent child to make him or her 'perfect' chop of some toes or some seldom used fingers... avoid chopping off personal parts... like important parts of the penis.
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No sorry, I didn't fuck up. I didn't harm any innocents. I made a decision I standby regardless of the mudslinging. You have no info on your personal profile? Are you a parent? Have you ever had to make a decision about your child's future and know that you have a short time to do it in? Do you know that having circumcisions done at a later age is a pretty serious surgery and requires a long time before they can even masturbate let alone have sex or pee without discomfort.
Uncircumcised males also run the risk of tearing the foreskin when they have sex that is a bit too vigorous. Seems something done under local anesthesia with applications of Tylenol for infants to take away any lingering discomfort is a much better alternative than losing what you claim is so precious during sex.
My children were sleeping when they were taken from the room for the procedure, they were sleeping when they came back not even an hour or so later. They never had any major crying that wasn't due to being hungry. So don't tell me I fucked up and mutilated my child and most especially do not tell me how to be a parent.
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Ya know, it's threads like this, among many others, that seriously make me not want to come here anymore. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with some people here not understanding that there is nothing wrong with having an opinion but you dont' have to be insulting about it.
And I just can not fathom why so many of you feed into the Troll! He does this all the time! He goes back, pulls up a thread that was controversial at one time to stir up shit, and everyone just goes along with it! We could SO easily put an end to that real quick by saying "Oh look, he's at it again" and letting it go, but instead we all choose to sit here, and make the same old comments and points that we made in the past just to keep a thread going that no one wanted to keep going in the first place (which is why it was way back in the archives).
All of this bullshit is just a neverending circle here. It's a shame...a damn shame. :(
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rissababynta
Ya know, it's threads like this, among many others, that seriously make me not want to come here anymore. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with some people here not understanding that there is nothing wrong with having an opinion but you dont' have to be insulting about it.
And I just can not fathom why so many of you feed into the Troll! He does this all the time! He goes back, pulls up a thread that was controversial at one time to stir up shit, and everyone just goes along with it! We could SO easily put an end to that real quick by saying "Oh look, he's at it again" and letting it go, but instead we all choose to sit here, and make the same old comments and points that we made in the past just to keep a thread going that no one wanted to keep going in the first place (which is why it was way back in the archives).
All of this bullshit is just a neverending circle here. It's a shame...a damn shame. :(
Maybe if we knew who the Troll/s is/are by their handle names. Those should be publically displayed on the home page so we know right off the top. Anytime it's discovered a troll exists, that handle should be put front and centre for all to know. Then we could more easily avoid situations like this.
In any event, you are absolutely correct. Had we known this was a troll effort, we never would have fed into it.
