I barred two members today

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Originally Posted by welickit

We found that the ignore list works. If people are that upset just add them to your ignore list. When nobody listens to them anymore they will go away.

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Offensive people can be blocked.
But if you are brand new and do not know who to ignore, it is hard to do.
The first impression of this site should not be getting attacked for posting a question.

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Originally Posted by wanderingrichard

Nice thing about having a fairly open society and freedom to choose, is that you don't have to volunteer to be banned, you can just write the admin or owner and tell them enough is enough you are leaving, would they please close out your access and profile. Being mature enough to do that saves the general membership all the Springeresque drama some seem to crave as they ask to be disappeared.

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The one thing I do not wish is to be banned.. but neither do I wish to a party to a witch hunt and that is what I see as being the case here.. and the real witches run free. by doing nothing and allowing this witch hunt to stand, we become as guilty of hunting the witch and as responsible for the sticking in of needles, ducking the stool, and lighting the pyre as those witchfinders and their witchfinder general who sit sneering in the shadows.

Springeresque it may be.. but some things are more important than ourselves.. when and if I go, I go with my head held high, knowing and believing in the rightness of my cause, and Drew will indeed get my little missive telling him to close down my account.. and if it is indeed Springeresque.. it is not we who have made it so... but those who sit gloating in those murky shadows convinced of their victory and pouring more from the cup of poison with which they plan to kill off their next victims.. melodramatic? Maybe.. maybe not.. time will tell...

I may go into the night, disappear and be forgotten and my passing little mourned.. but I will not go quietly...

It's getting to be like a realy bad script for a Batman film here. Sock Puppets?:eek2: Was it the Sock Puppets that drove BiVirgin and Aeon to post all they posted against their will or something?
I've watched just about every episode of Columbo there is, and I can tell you that just coz somebody springs up and mentions 'sock puppets', doesn't mean they are innocent.;):suave::rolleyes:;):tongue:
I sugest we move in packs of 3 and stay close to the candles.lol

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Originally Posted by Falcondfw

The first impression of this site should not be getting attacked for posting a question.

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100% agree there. Nor should there be ANY discrimination here no matter what. We don't have to march in the streets waving flags for each other, but we can exersise a tactfull tolerance of our varied situations etc. I'm talking about cheaters etc.
Not adding that aimed at you Falcon! (just in case you think I'm mean it sarcasticaly.lol)

We have all had times where we disagree with others in many settings including here, work, with family, friends and those who are less than friends. Many of us have strong personal points of view and are convinced we are correct. That does not mean we have the rights to take that to the level of being disagreeable and offensive with others. I am not sure what I would have done but am glad that someone else had to make that decision. My choice was simple and like with many threads before it I simply ignored it and moved on. Drew as the site owner did not have that luxury and had to make a decision to do what he felt was best even if some disagree and leave. We can be respectful even if our opinions are different.

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Originally Posted by darkeyes

The one thing I do not wish is to be banned.. but neither do I wish to a party to a witch hunt and that is what I see as being the case here.. and the real witches run free. by doing nothing and allowing this witch hunt to stand, we become as guilty of hunting the witch and as responsible for the sticking in of needles, ducking the stool, and lighting the pyre as those witchfinders and their witchfinder general who sit sneering in the shadows.

Springeresque it may be.. but some things are more important than ourselves.. when and if I go, I go with my head held high, knowing and believing in the rightness of my cause, and Drew will indeed get my little missive telling him to close down my account.. and if it is indeed Springeresque.. it is not we who have made it so... but those who sit gloating in those murky shadows convinced of their victory and pouring more from the cup of poison with which they plan to kill off their next victims.. melodramatic? Maybe.. maybe not.. time will tell...

I may go into the night, disappear and be forgotten and my passing little mourned.. but I will not go quietly...

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Dark, I was stunned by these recent developments, just as you; and I think I can empathize with what you're feeling right now. I see several personal ironies going on but I won't elaborate, at least not right now. I have always felt my days on this site were numbered, especially lately. If you go....I will miss you also. I mean this sincerely....you are the first atheist I've actually grown fond of, although when I first encountered you, you seriously rubbed me the wrong way. That's one irony. As I told you once before, if this were Reader's Digest....you'd be one of "my most unforgettable" characters.:)

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Originally Posted by void_dweller

I do recall Tom. He was here before I was void, and used ddbm (I think) as a handle. I recall speaking with him at times via messages here. He indeed did love cooking. I also recall roughly when he started creating puppets. Did not realize Diamond __ was part of that, and will not say with certainty I've seen Diamond __ use puppets. That is not to say he did not, nor did. He may well have, I did have some reservations towards him. I've seen others use puppets. Some have done so constructively. Some destructively. I think using puppets may be a bit unfair, immature. Not here to 'play games'.

Normally context and subtext can reveal puppets. People exhibit their own 'voices' and often puppet 'voices' reflect upon and 'smoke out' the ruse/s.

To clarify, my rational for a handle switch came from forgetting the log in information. It happens to the best and worst. It was not due to some sinister or dubious ulterior motive.

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Ok. I know I am this big fancy web developer and stuff, but sometimes, I guess I am a bit naive. Can anyone explain to me what the heck is meant by "puppets"?

I hate to drop the veil but recent events have forced me to. First of all- Yes, I am bipolar type one. Yes I had a breakdown and went on a hack and slash adventure a few years ago. BUT- since then I have done nothing but occasionally lurk. I think Diamonddog is behind this. When there were tasteless threads posted by one "beserker"- what was disclosed was stuff I only told to diamonddog in IM chats.

I don't really care if anyone believes me or not. I'm taking my pills and doing my best these days. I wish you all well.

Oh, and Fran- whoever contacted you was not me. For real.

Respectfully-
Tom

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Originally Posted by Adria and Berserker

I hate to drop the veil but recent events have forced me to. First of all- Yes, I am bipolar type one. Yes I had a breakdown and went on a hack and slash adventure a few years ago. BUT- since then I have done nothing but occasionally lurk. I think Diamonddog is behind this. When there were tasteless threads posted by one "beserker"- what was disclosed was stuff I only told to diamonddog in IM chats.

I don't really care if anyone believes me or not. I'm taking my pills and doing my best these days. I wish you all well.

Oh, and Fran- whoever contacted you was not me. For real.

Respectfully-
Tom

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Hey Tom, Remember me? Glad to see you are good and getting better. I know this is the real you. I believe you and in you.

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Originally Posted by Gearbox

It's getting to be like a realy bad script for a Batman film here. Sock Puppets?:eek2: Was it the Sock Puppets that drove BiVirgin and Aeon to post all they posted against their will or something?
I've watched just about every episode of Columbo there is, and I can tell you that just coz somebody springs up and mentions 'sock puppets', doesn't mean they are innocent.;):suave::rolleyes:;):tongue:
I sugest we move in packs of 3 and stay close to the candles.lol


100% agree there. Nor should there be ANY discrimination here no matter what. We don't have to march in the streets waving flags for each other, but we can exersise a tactfull tolerance of our varied situations etc. I'm talking about cheaters etc.
Not adding that aimed at you Falcon! (just in case you think I'm mean it sarcasticaly.lol)

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Also a lover of Columbo; have also seen every episode, some several times! Other than Holmes, one of the greatest detective characters ever created. :bigrin:

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Originally Posted by falcondfw

Ok. I know I am this big fancy web developer and stuff, but sometimes, I guess I am a bit naive. Can anyone explain to me what the heck is meant by "puppets"?

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Same here! I know what a puppet ruler is & have learned what ( I think) "trolls" are.

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Originally Posted by falcondfw

SJ Murph,
Speaking of reading, I think you need to go back and re-read this thread from its beginning.
Joan was not banned for her controversial ideas, not even for her dislike of bisexual men. She was banned for attacking new people on this web site and invalidating them as people, before getting to know them. She belittled them and made them question themselves even more than they already were, instead of welcoming them and trying to help them solve their problems. To put it bluntly, she scared people off, not because of her ideas, but because she was rude, crude, gruff, and uncaring towards brand new people who were only looking for an answer.
That kind of attitude is not welcomed on any forum I have ever been a member of and Drew tolerated it for a very long time. I don't know if he personally warned Joan, but a lot of regular members did.

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Well, I'm sure everyone here is familiar with the maxim about 1st impressions. Aeon/Joan was yes, very intelligent & mine was that she made sure everyone here knew it. I clashed with her initially with what appeared to be her highly condescending attitude. Eventually, she became more civil toward me; we even shared some very meaningful PMs; same with Bisexual Virgin. I actually had a playful flirtation going on with her; doesn't like bisexual men? Could've fooled me.

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Originally Posted by Adria and Berserker

I hate to drop the veil but recent events have forced me to. First of all- Yes, I am bipolar type one. Yes I had a breakdown and went on a hack and slash adventure a few years ago. BUT- since then I have done nothing but occasionally lurk. I think Diamonddog is behind this. When there were tasteless threads posted by one "beserker"- what was disclosed was stuff I only told to diamonddog in IM chats.

I don't really care if anyone believes me or not. I'm taking my pills and doing my best these days. I wish you all well.

Oh, and Fran- whoever contacted you was not me. For real.

Respectfully-
Tom

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ewo Tom... if u are who I think u are I hope an trust u are well.. whatever.. the past is the past.. and we should always look forward...u seem to be doin' fine and am truly glad 2 know it.. all we can do is our best and no 1 can ask ne more... I saw ur post earlier.. and couldn't believe me eyes tbh.. I went to bed but couldn't rest cos ur post kept going through my mind.. so here I am saying hi...and keep it going fine willya? :bigrin:

Hey, I support Drew's decision, the people he banned were full of hate, its one thing to express your opinion ,but when your opinion is blatant hatred for a certain group ,than yes, action must be taken but....

I hope these members getting banned doesn't discourage, people from posting real concern, opinion ,story's and ideas.

And I understand what the people who said ban me too are trying to do...there standing up for what they believe is right, but...its simple if you don't like Drew's decision than leave !
It's simple the straight people who come here say they are here to get a better understanding of bisexuality or need to vent.

But if your here to spew hateful remarks about a certain group or support those people than maybe this isn't the site for you.

I'm forced to concur with biblkman. No one should be allowed to come here and spew hate with impunity, and they did so for far longer than anyone else I have seen get away with it, and it was far more blatant. Calling it "intelligent" simply because Joan knew some catchphrases(and used them inaccurately) and could quote-mine badly(which is a form of lying) got too many to be impressed with her and think her wise. As for BiVirgin, I had her on ignore for so long I forgot she was around until she was banned, but the same thing holds true for her. Had she been a HE, the banning would have come about 200 posts sooner.

I'm sorry they felt the way they do and sorry they were hurt as they were to lash out int he fashion they did. I hope they find some measure of peace someday and that this will all be swept aside in their hearts and minds, stage a place for a new beginning and going forth they will have a better time of it.

Anyway, that's my two cents. I'll be going back to lurking also and reading occasionally, but not really posting as before things went strange.

Why am I not fucking banned yet?

Come on Drew, get the dick out of your mouth and do your job.

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Originally Posted by slipnslide

Why am I not fucking banned yet?

Come on Drew, get the dick out of your mouth and do your job.

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Slip, based on what you have posted here, you are a complete ass and Drew would do well to be rid of you.
But you do not need to go to these extremes. Just delete your account and ask that Drew deletes all your posts and threads. Never come back and you will not know if he deleted things or not. Seems to me that you just want attention. Otherwise, you would already be gone.

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Originally Posted by falcondfw

Slip, based on what you have posted here, you are a complete ass and Drew would do well to be rid of you.
But you do not need to go to these extremes. Just delete your account and ask that Drew deletes all your posts and threads. Never come back and you will not know if he deleted things or not. Seems to me that you just want attention. Otherwise, you would already be gone.

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I am drawing attention to the fact that this is a community of idiots policed by idiots.

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Originally Posted by slipnslide

I am drawing attention to the fact that this is a community of idiots policed by idiots.

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Then you truly do need to be banned. There are a lot of intelligent people who debate and express their opinions in a civil manner here. I am sorry that you cannot get along in a community. You might have had some good contributions to the group.

I agree, Drew. I was a member on a site in our more-or-less local area near Sacramento that was ruined first by a member who started rude, then became ruthless. The site was eventually abandoned by its creator because of the havoc this one jerk created, and the rest of us were saddened by it. We all have to be careful of censoring, but there is a correct time and place for it, and you used your powers wisely.

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Originally Posted by falcondfw

Then you truly do need to be banned. There are a lot of intelligent people who debate and express their opinions in a civil manner here. I am sorry that you cannot get along in a community. You might have had some good contributions to the group.

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I see in your profile that you're a fat guy. Your opinion is meaningless to me.

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Originally Posted by slipnslide

I see in your profile that you're a fat guy. Your opinion is meaningless to me.

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And what, exactly, does that have to do with anything?
If those are the limits of your intelligence or your conversational ability, then you are truly sad.
Good riddance.
My first and everlasting opinion of you has proven to be correct.
You are truly, a total, anti-social ass.

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Originally Posted by MtnMan

I agree, Drew. I was a member on a site in our more-or-less local area near Sacramento that was ruined first by a member who started rude, then became ruthless. The site was eventually abandoned by its creator because of the havoc this one jerk created, and the rest of us were saddened by it. We all have to be careful of censoring, but there is a correct time and place for it, and you used your powers wisely.

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Damn. That is truly sad, MtnMan.
Did people try to communicate their displeasure to this person?

To Slip...realy...get your head out of your ass !

Why are you not banned yet even though you so beg for it....well maybe its cause Drew isn't gonna waist time on you and your fight the power attitude when on this site there is no fight the power...or maybe Drew is hoping you will just go away like I'm sure so many people here wish you would
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Fine you want to take a stand ...but calling Drew or anyone names cause you feel like it will hit home and your point will be validated is just childish

And no Slip....your drawing attention to yourself...and calling everyone on this site idiots is out there...fine you disagree with a lot of people but damn Slip...were all idiots and the site is run by idiots.

We are free to have our opinion but you are going left field...I get it you feel ganged up on...not true, the idiots here are just trying tolign people like you the ones who got banned and anyone who truly wants to get a better understanding of sexuality

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Enlighten...sorry, my phone is stupid

@ IanBorthwick......what do you mean " I'm forced to agree with biblkman " forced...? LOL

Drew....you did what you had to do....those of us who understand why did what you did support you!

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Originally Posted by biblkman

To Slip...realy...get your head out of your ass !

Why are you not banned yet even though you so beg for it....well maybe its cause Drew isn't gonna waist time on you and your fight the power attitude when on this site there is no fight the power...or maybe Drew is hoping you will just go away like I'm sure so many people here wish you would
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Fine you want to take a stand ...but calling Drew or anyone names cause you feel like it will hit home and your point will be validated is just childish

And no Slip....your drawing attention to yourself...and calling everyone on this site idiots is out there...fine you disagree with a lot of people but damn Slip...were all idiots and the site is run by idiots.

We are free to have our opinion but you are going left field...I get it you feel ganged up on...not true, the idiots here are just trying tolign people like you the ones who got banned and anyone who truly wants to get a better understanding of sexuality

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Who the fuck even asked you?


Shut up.

Slip, don't be angry. Message me, and we can talk.

Chill Slippy. 'tis better 2 walk than 2 be pushed.... :)

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Originally Posted by Adria and Berserker

I hate to drop the veil but recent events have forced me to. First of all- Yes, I am bipolar type one. Yes I had a breakdown and went on a hack and slash adventure a few years ago. BUT- since then I have done nothing but occasionally lurk. I think Diamonddog is behind this. When there were tasteless threads posted by one "beserker"- what was disclosed was stuff I only told to diamonddog in IM chats.

I don't really care if anyone believes me or not. I'm taking my pills and doing my best these days. I wish you all well.

Oh, and Fran- whoever contacted you was not me. For real.

Respectfully-
Tom

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Good to see you. *hug*

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Originally Posted by falcondfw

Ok. I know I am this big fancy web developer and stuff, but sometimes, I guess I am a bit naive. Can anyone explain to me what the heck is meant by "puppets"?

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Take person A, they come the site and get account A, then account B, C, D, E and so on. They now have a cadre of 'users' they may post through. These accounts are not used for anything save an agenda, usually something shitty.

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Originally Posted by darkeyes

Chill Slippy. 'tis better 2 walk than 2 be pushed.... :)

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No! This is a way funnier story to tell people.

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Originally Posted by biblkman

@ IanBorthwick......what do you mean " I'm forced to agree with biblkman " forced...? LOL

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I normally do not like to censor anyone and stifle ideas or opinions, especially in the hope of edifying them enough to get them out of the rut they are in. Plenty of examples here in the past few days and you can take your pick of them. But when they go overboard and pound away with talking points that are invalid, accuse, use the opinion as fact tactic, ad hom, and shaming continuously, then I am forced to relent my stance and agree that they must go and are truly unsalvageable.

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Originally Posted by slipnslide

No! This is a way funnier story to tell people.

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Slippy
Were you not already banned for a bit with Mikey 3000? You were allowed back and he was not. Same behaviour that you are presenting here. Its too bad because I suspect that there is a really nice guy telling others to fuck off.

Kudo's and kisses to Drew. You have to do what you have to do when you own or mod different groups. Healthy debate is one thing, but when you cant control your emotions and conduct yourself as a reasonable, respectful adult without resorting to immature name calling and disrespect, then you deserve what you get. Its that simple.
Hey Drew? You still in yer undies? Come over an sit next top me, Sugar. You gots coffee, I gots cookies...lol
Ya'll behave. :}
Your Cat

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Originally Posted by tenni

Slippy
Were you not already banned for a bit with Mikey 3000? You were allowed back and he was not. Same behaviour that you are presenting here. Its too bad because I suspect that there is a really nice guy telling others to fuck off.

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Please. I think drew likes it. I can't get banned from here.

I'm tired of perpetuating this character anyhow. Time for a new one.

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Originally Posted by void_dweller

Good to see you. *hug*

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Right back 'atcha, Ben :P

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Originally Posted by darkeyes

ewo Tom... if u are who I think u are I hope an trust u are well.. whatever.. the past is the past.. and we should always look forward...u seem to be doin' fine and am truly glad 2 know it.. all we can do is our best and no 1 can ask ne more... I saw ur post earlier.. and couldn't believe me eyes tbh.. I went to bed but couldn't rest cos ur post kept going through my mind.. so here I am saying hi...and keep it going fine willya? :bigrin:

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As I said, doing the best I can. It's good to hear from u, Fran.

Well, as the owner of the site---if Drew wants to boot anyone---he every right to do so. I really didn't know Bisexual Virgin all that well and did sort of like the stuff (at least early on) that Aeon posted up--but she could go over the top sometimes--but then again-the same could probably be said about me at some points.

Its too bad that both of them went off on their funky tangents as they apparently did and resorted to the sorts of negative actions that people have talked about.

When it comes to to those who vex us here at this site----the one that really came to bug me in a big time way---I first knew as BisexualinSoCal----I think it was him that wound up taking up many guises---the sad thing was---whoever he was---he started out to be a nice person and sort of just whacked out---and some of the things that we had talked about in what I thought were private sorts of conversations when we were on good terms--he wound up trying to use those things against me.

I do think that he has been gone now for a few years---he was someone who really did need some help--and I sincerely hope that he got it.

I never understood BV's thought process. The things she wrote, in my opinion, were extremely convoluted. If she truly was a Bisexual Virgin, she really needed some experience. Her opinions would surely change, then.

I kind of hated to see Aeon go. I liked her, but I can see where some would have resented some things she wrote.