I barred two members today

[csrakate]

So be it. I came back from shopping saw this thread opened it and and was dumbfounded.. I have always said that I do not like barring people.. the lgbt is mature enough to take dissent and debate or it is not.. it seems that the owner of the site feels that the dissent sewn, if that is the right word by two members is too much to bear... if members were deserving of being banned there were and are far more deserving cases but I would defend them also even although I loathe so much of their opinions and their manner of debate

In the case of bisexual virgin csrakate said this. I have the greatest love and respect for Kate, my Mumsie, but this was an unwise respose to a girl with a problem.. her problem? Bisexual men.. the reply Kate gave was in response to BV admitting she had a problem.. correct me if I am wrong but do we disown and boot into touch people with alcohol or drug problems? the first step to recovery is admitting we have a problem.. and this BV has done. This site in large part was set up I thought was to help people come to grips with their problems and come to terms with the prejudices of others and with their own.. obviously I was wrong... and so a girl who has a problem is kicked out and left to sink.. of course there are oother places to go where she can come to terms with her problem.. but by booting her from this site what has been done is her prejudice against bisexual men has not been helped but is more llikely to have been exacerbated... it is after all a bisexual man man who has taken the decision. I hope you are all pleased because I think what has been shown here is an appalling lack of compassion and tolerance for someone with a problem.. and I hold my hands up.. I have been as irritated as most everyone else with her and could and should have dealt with her diifferently.. but I would never have dreamt of complaining about her to the owner and certainly not of demanding she be expelled from membership..

Bisexual Virgin admitted NOTHING except that she had a problem with bisexual men....and note that she never admitted that her attitude towards bisexual men was a problem. In order to help someone, they have to acknowledge a problem and want help. I tried numerous times to show her positive examples of bisexual men in relationships but she always pushed that aside. I implored her to open her mind and let herself experience a bit more life before she made such conclusions about an entire group of men. Bisexual Virgin was totally satisfied with her assessment of bisexual men and never once saw her comments as disruptive or rude. I am sorry you are disappointed in me, dear one....but my words to her stand. We all know where she stands....we all know how she feels. She says she has a problem with bisexual men....NO SHIT!!!!

As for Joan/Aeon....another example of someone who refused to listen to anyone else. I defended her against the Diamond Puppets and I believe their treatment of her was nothing short of a full on harassment but she gave just as good as she got to others and never hesitated to bring someone down a notch. She was always so ready to refute any statement with her list of "sources" but she never, ever LISTENED! She used her words as a rapier and she often cut deep. And while I found her intelligent and well-read, she was socially inept and very close minded. I am sorry that she got banned, but I refuse to believe that she didn't know what she was doing and like Bisexual Virgin, she refused to ever consider the words of others. If you can't play nice on the playground, you simply cannot be allowed to go to recess!

[tenni]

I don't know who is a puppet or not. I would prefer to look at it as just different perspectives about being bisexual.

I do know that the range of bisexuality is wide. I know that most bi.com members seem to be bisexual men. I know that bi men experience more discrimination and attacks than biwomen. I know that many bisexuals on this site seem to be living in a hetero/bisexual relationship and have certain attitudes towards being bisexual.

I know that I am not living the hetero bi couple lifestyle at this point in my life. I know that my views on bisexuality are different from some other vocal posters. It should not be surprising that we have different views and some of the people that are being called sock puppets are not living a hetero bi lifestyle. Most of us are just trying to be happy in life and comfortable with our sexuality.

I think that it is sad that there is this fear of sock puppets on this site for bisexuals.

[outintheworld]

I don't know who is a puppet or not. I would prefer to look at it as just different perspectives about being bisexual.

I do know that the range of bisexuality is wide. I know that most bi.com members seem to be bisexual men. I know that bi men experience more discrimination and attacks than biwomen. I know that many bisexuals on this site seem to be living in a hetero/bisexual relationship and have certain attitudes towards being bisexual.

I know that I am not living the hetero bi lifestyle. I know that my views on bisexuality are different from some other vocal posters. It should not be surprising that we have different views and some of the people that are being called sock puppets are not living a hetero bi lifestyle.

I also noticed one poster here is asking a lot of questions and been a member for five years with 13 posts. I checked and found that she posted in 2009 referring to others as morons on a similar topic about "sock puppets". Just the facts mme.

I think that it is sad that there is this fear of sock puppets on this site. Doesn't make anyone feel warm and comfy to post something different than a more hetero lifestyle.

Feel free to refer to me by name instead of "one poster", you sound so inhumane and dismissive at times. Since you want to try and throw a stone, I will teach you how to aim. The sock puppet referred to back in 2009 was once a friend of mine, Who had a mental break down, almost schizophrenic, and during his break down he created his own sock puppets which he even announced them to be sock puppets with his intention of bringing down Bisex.com and enlightening us all. His friend was trying to help him, but in the wrong fashion. He had already told me in an email he was Bezerker since we emailed back and forth to each other. His name was Tom, he loved to cook and share recipes. He was a sweet and funny guy till he snapped. And even till this day I miss him and hated it all had to end the way it did. When he snapped he was also friends with Diamond_______ (fill in the blank) who helped feed the disease Tom had at the time.

So there ya go in a nutshell. I am sure other long timers will remember when Tom was here. You on the other hand, probably can't.

Now as to our current puppets. You pat one or two on the back at times. You may not have even know, or perhaps you suspected. But they are here, and easily spotted. I, Aeon, Void, Kate, have seen and even said so in the forums. How many posts one has made in how ever many years is irrelevant to their authenticity or accuracy.

[tenni]

I'm sorry outintheworld. I did remove that section before you posted. I realized that I can not wonder about accusations about sock puppets and then fall wacko to think that another poster is also a sock puppet. As I stated it seems particular to this site. Then again, I don't know a lot of sites.

I don't know what you mean by I pat one or two on the back at times? If my view is similar it is similar. Is it the view or the poster that you react to? I try not to express my view too harshly and I am sometimes surprised who thinks like me. The point is that we are different but all still bisexual. I have found some other posters inhumane as well. Aeon was a new member, yet you give her the ability to recognize on going sock puppets or perhaps you mean something different?

[outintheworld]

I'm sorry outintheworld. I did remove that section before you posted. I realized that I can not wonder about accusations about sock puppets and then fall wacko to think that another poster is also a sock puppet. As I stated it seems particular to this site. Then again, I don't know a lot of sites.

I don't know what you mean by I pat one or two on the back at times? If my view is similar it is similar. Is it the view or the poster that you react to? I try not to express my view too harshly and I am sometimes surprised who thinks like me. The point is that we are different but all still bisexual. I have found some other posters inhumane as well. Aeon was a new member, yet you give her the ability to recognize on going sock puppets or perhaps you mean something different?

When I refer to you giving one or two a pat on the back. It's not a slight to you personally. It just my way of letting you know, that sock puppets will continue to exist as long as they get "fed" whether positive or negative feed back is given. Just like any other animal, if there is no food, it will either migrate or simply die. My credit given to Aeon, simply means, she was observant enough of people and their habits to recognize what I and others have. Multiple accounts with one owner. A.k.a. Sock puppets.

[void()]

Feel free to refer to me by name instead of "one poster", you sound so inhumane and dismissive at times. Since you want to try and throw a stone, I will teach you how to aim. The sock puppet referred to back in 2009 was once a friend of mine, Who had a mental break down, almost schizophrenic, and during his break down he created his own sock puppets which he even announced them to be sock puppets with his intention of bringing down Bisex.com and enlightening us all. His friend was trying to help him, but in the wrong fashion. He had already told me in an email he was Bezerker since we emailed back and forth to each other. His name was Tom, he loved to cook and share recipes. He was a sweet and funny guy till he snapped. And even till this day I miss him and hated it all had to end the way it did. When he snapped he was also friends with Diamond_______ (fill in the blank) who helped feed the disease Tom had at the time.

So there ya go in a nutshell. I am sure other long timers will remember when Tom was here. You on the other hand, probably can't.

Now as to our current puppets. You pat one or two on the back at times. You may not have even know, or perhaps you suspected. But they are here, and easily spotted. I, Aeon, Void, Kate, have seen and even said so in the forums. How many posts one has made in how ever many years is irrelevant to their authenticity or accuracy.

I do recall Tom. He was here before I was void, and used ddbm (I think) as a handle. I recall speaking with him at times via messages here. He indeed did love cooking. I also recall roughly when he started creating puppets. Did not realize Diamond __ was part of that, and will not say with certainty I've seen Diamond __ use puppets. That is not to say he did not, nor did. He may well have, I did have some reservations towards him. I've seen others use puppets. Some have done so constructively. Some destructively. I think using puppets may be a bit unfair, immature. Not here to 'play games'.

Normally context and subtext can reveal puppets. People exhibit their own 'voices' and often puppet 'voices' reflect upon and 'smoke out' the ruse/s.

To clarify, my rational for a handle switch came from forgetting the log in information. It happens to the best and worst. It was not due to some sinister or dubious ulterior motive.

[darkeyes]

Now as to our current puppets. You pat one or two on the back at times. You may not have even know, or perhaps you suspected. But they are here, and easily spotted. I, Aeon, Void, Kate, have seen and even said so in the forums. How many posts one has made in how ever many years is irrelevant to their authenticity or accuracy.

Yes... I too have noticed our puppets and mentioned it on numerous occasions... almost too numerous to mention, and there they sit with huge gloating smiles across their faces..all saying the same thing in the same style.. and that is what makes it so unfair... that alone should be sufficient reason for both Joan and Virgin to be given the benefit of the doubt. The puppet master turns the puppets into the puppet masters and the membership of the site into puppets and worse.. the owner... once such as they were banned now they do the banning.. how the world and the worm turns.. destructive, repetitive, appallingly vindictive..

Once on this site for a quite a long time I was played as a puppet.. not quite as they are played or they play others.. but a puppet I was... young, stupid, still pretty impressionable and unhappy due to a devastating love affair which turned my life upside down, he played me as his puppet and came to think of me as his private property.. and as I increasingly felt threatened and rebelled and began to object to his manipulation he became ever more unpleasant and possessive... others on site had gotten pee'd off with him and he did disappear for quite a while and slowly I began truly to get to know the generosity of so many on this site and saw the real strength of it... people such as my luffly curio, mumsie, allbi,chookie, rana and others all played their part in welcoming me and even loving me,, laffs in abundance lots of risque chat and always support when it was needed... I truly loved this site then..

One night as I was chatting and having a good laugh my pm box opened and a blast from the past scared the shit out of me... "hello, remember me.." it said. I froze... and for a few seconds didnt know what to say or do.. remembrance of old fears returned and I felt haunted...but in my panic I reacted blindy and in the main room I exploded.. I don't remember the words... but it was something like.. "Get away from me u.. fuck off... leave me alone...". It hadnt been meant for the main room but it was too late... he went.. shocked I think.. but those around at the time will remember him.. the same Tom? I have no idea nor do I care... but maybe..

I am not the child I was then.. huh.. child at 25/26.. but I was a child nonetheless.. this site and its members did much to get me through Tom and the crap in my life.. they werent alone of course cos I have loving friends and family who did so much in my life to help me through.. but as much as anyone this site and the people on it got me through a horrible break up with Kate and a long fucking separation and misery.. got me through the ending of my bisexuality for they told me I was lesbian and for a long time I wouldn't.. couldn't accept it..... they got me through so many trials, prevented me several times acting completely foolishly,and helped me get through two recent personal losses, first my dad and then Linnet, the girl in the love affair I mentioned earlier.. they offered and I accepted the simple gift of friendship..that is the truth of this place and what it can be... not this nit picking shite we have experienced of late.. support love and friendship.. that hasn't truly gone I don't believe but it is well buried and is becoming ever more deeply buried.. and recent developments have made it worse..

...for now the puppets have the upper hand but it need not be... I only hope I am around to see them get their come-uppance but that alas is looking decidedly unlikely...as the members of this site take back what may be owned by Drew, but is equally owned by them in quite different and for them, much more meaningful way.. because if u don't,,Joan and Virgin wont be the last victims...anyone who incurs their displeasure especially those who stand up to them will also find themselves the target of their bile... and they too will be lied about, their words twisted, accused of what they are not and because they get away with it and their victims pay the price... this site will be further removed from any real sense of reality or of worth...this will no longer be ur site..but theirs...

[wanderingrichard]

Nice thing about having a fairly open society and freedom to choose, is that you don't have to volunteer to be banned, you can just write the admin or owner and tell them enough is enough you are leaving, would they please close out your access and profile. Being mature enough to do that saves the general membership all the Springeresque drama some seem to crave as they ask to be disappeared.

[falcondfw]

I can't agree that the forum has failed. There has, however, been the development of some polarization which I think is because when faced with a personal attack many feel compelled to respond and the contention between points of view and individuals escalates.

Are you saying that you believe bisexuality is a "common delusion" shared by those who profess it? If so, can't the same be said of heterosexuality or homosexuality? I find it interesting that you would classify human interaction as a delusion that others perceive as natural and is also found in other species that lack the ability to communicate with humans (often referred to as less intelligent).

While criticism and judgment are indeed a reality, they are often destructive rather than productive. Open discussion and respect for another's opinions, even those diametrically opposed to our own, are much more productive and promote greater understanding.

There are many things in life that varying portions of the population find undesirable, offensive or repugnant, but to deny their existence or label them a delusion does not mean they aren't real. Certainly, there can be a difference of opinion as to whether or not a sexual orientation is normal/healthy or not. It strikes me, however, that such discussion would be best when directed at certain practices, not necessarily the orientation as a whole. If both heterosexuality and homosexuality is viewed as normal and healthy, shouldn't bisexuality also be? Yet within any orientation, a practice that one views as injurious to others will always be susceptible to the criticisms of being abnormal or unhealthy (e.g., pedophilia).

There is a great difference between challenging one's intellect by engaging in thought provoking discussions and challenging the individual in the sense of creating a confrontation by denying the existence of or their right to have a viewpoint different than your own.

Hopefully, Drew's action will lessen confrontations between individuals and promote greater understanding and exchange of ideas,

Pappy

Pappy,
A very well thought out, mature attitude. Many people on many forums could benefit by your wisdom. As could I.

[falcondfw]

Drew:

Thanks for the opportunity to hang out on your website, chat, read and share ideas with others who are likewise interested in the same. I think this website is well organized, well thought out, and well managed. I think you set the conditions to proved a greater service to people in this community, and opened the door for many people, here, to express themselves where they otherwise could not. I hope you can continue to do great work.

With that said, I also wish to be banned from the site along with Aeonpax.

I've read "every" and "all" postings by Aeonpax, and find her to be articulate, bright, insightful, well reasoned, and researched. Her opinion is her own opinion and I think she had a right to express herself just as exsailor, drug store cowboy, gearbox, tenni, et. al.. The problem for those who find her offensive is that she voices opinions that are provocative; and, she is quick witted, well read, articulate and she is tenacious. Her tenacity to defend her opinion deserves nothing but meritorious praise as she sticks by her guns and adjusts her arguments to the counter arguments. Her dynamic ability to provoke was demonstrated by her compelling an, otherwise, thin threaded statement, into 17 pages of debate. This is not a frail, confused, whimsical, lost girl with an identity crisis, rather, this is a smart, articulate and empowered female who is not afraid to take on tough debate in a tough forum. She was able to easily string along a thread in the face of very harsh criticism from some very strong personalities. I respect her, not so much for her agility to masterfully compel those to continue to banter the points, but she didn't back down and break.

Joan takes her arguments well beyond the bedroom sexual banter of the "chatroom" and into what she sees as bisexual intellectual enlightenment. She wasn't arguing against any one person, or anyone's identity, rather, she was arguing and making a statement against the intellectually lazy and stupid. Joan spits hairs and definitions, not to antagonize and humiliate, but rather, to get at the heart of the other person's position and their core argument. Moreover, she doesn't dislike bisexual men; Joan likes debate, and she likes men and women that can formulate clear, concise and well reasoned arguments.

Joan hit the nail square on the head when she identified Exsailor, Drug Store Cowboy and a few others as misogynistic. Their harsh criticism of her and her position was far less about her position, than it was the fact she is not afraid of them, and demonstratively, she refused to back down from intimidation. These men's contempt is rooted in the fact that they know Joan doesn't respect them as individuals, nor does she respect their intellect. Their response is to dismiss her argument, and clamor around the idea that she hates and is afraid of bisexual men, rather than address their own belligerency. Joan made a broad statement about an idea, and not an individual; their only response to quell the argument was to turn it on her personally.

The smartest person in the room, isn't the first person who shoots up a knee jerk reaction and starts calling me names, disparaging me, and dismissing my statements; rather, its the person who will go back and read "every" and "all" the posts by AeonPax/Joan, then formulate a well reasoned and articulate response. I fully expect to be disparaged and dismissed by the above named individuals, but thats acceptable.


I want to thank and say thanks to some very good people I've met on this web site:

Peg, Jorja, Shyguy, Showme, Aut17, Volduger, Beefeater, Dark Eyes, AeonPax, Bluegirl789, and many others.

-- SJMurph

SJ Murph,
Speaking of reading, I think you need to go back and re-read this thread from its beginning.
Joan was not banned for her controversial ideas, not even for her dislike of bisexual men. She was banned for attacking new people on this web site and invalidating them as people, before getting to know them. She belittled them and made them question themselves even more than they already were, instead of welcoming them and trying to help them solve their problems. To put it bluntly, she scared people off, not because of her ideas, but because she was rude, crude, gruff, and uncaring towards brand new people who were only looking for an answer.
That kind of attitude is not welcomed on any forum I have ever been a member of and Drew tolerated it for a very long time. I don't know if he personally warned Joan, but a lot of regular members did.

[falcondfw]

We found that the ignore list works. If people are that upset just add them to your ignore list. When nobody listens to them anymore they will go away.

Offensive people can be blocked.
But if you are brand new and do not know who to ignore, it is hard to do.
The first impression of this site should not be getting attacked for posting a question.

[darkeyes]

Nice thing about having a fairly open society and freedom to choose, is that you don't have to volunteer to be banned, you can just write the admin or owner and tell them enough is enough you are leaving, would they please close out your access and profile. Being mature enough to do that saves the general membership all the Springeresque drama some seem to crave as they ask to be disappeared.

The one thing I do not wish is to be banned.. but neither do I wish to a party to a witch hunt and that is what I see as being the case here.. and the real witches run free. by doing nothing and allowing this witch hunt to stand, we become as guilty of hunting the witch and as responsible for the sticking in of needles, ducking the stool, and lighting the pyre as those witchfinders and their witchfinder general who sit sneering in the shadows.

Springeresque it may be.. but some things are more important than ourselves.. when and if I go, I go with my head held high, knowing and believing in the rightness of my cause, and Drew will indeed get my little missive telling him to close down my account.. and if it is indeed Springeresque.. it is not we who have made it so... but those who sit gloating in those murky shadows convinced of their victory and pouring more from the cup of poison with which they plan to kill off their next victims.. melodramatic? Maybe.. maybe not.. time will tell...

I may go into the night, disappear and be forgotten and my passing little mourned.. but I will not go quietly...

[Gearbox]

It's getting to be like a realy bad script for a Batman film here. Sock Puppets? Was it the Sock Puppets that drove BiVirgin and Aeon to post all they posted against their will or something?
I've watched just about every episode of Columbo there is, and I can tell you that just coz somebody springs up and mentions 'sock puppets', doesn't mean they are innocent.
I sugest we move in packs of 3 and stay close to the candles.lol

The first impression of this site should not be getting attacked for posting a question.

100% agree there. Nor should there be ANY discrimination here no matter what. We don't have to march in the streets waving flags for each other, but we can exersise a tactfull tolerance of our varied situations etc. I'm talking about cheaters etc.
Not adding that aimed at you Falcon! (just in case you think I'm mean it sarcasticaly.lol)

[Coastocoast]

We have all had times where we disagree with others in many settings including here, work, with family, friends and those who are less than friends. Many of us have strong personal points of view and are convinced we are correct. That does not mean we have the rights to take that to the level of being disagreeable and offensive with others. I am not sure what I would have done but am glad that someone else had to make that decision. My choice was simple and like with many threads before it I simply ignored it and moved on. Drew as the site owner did not have that luxury and had to make a decision to do what he felt was best even if some disagree and leave. We can be respectful even if our opinions are different.

[pepperjack]

The one thing I do not wish is to be banned.. but neither do I wish to a party to a witch hunt and that is what I see as being the case here.. and the real witches run free. by doing nothing and allowing this witch hunt to stand, we become as guilty of hunting the witch and as responsible for the sticking in of needles, ducking the stool, and lighting the pyre as those witchfinders and their witchfinder general who sit sneering in the shadows.

Springeresque it may be.. but some things are more important than ourselves.. when and if I go, I go with my head held high, knowing and believing in the rightness of my cause, and Drew will indeed get my little missive telling him to close down my account.. and if it is indeed Springeresque.. it is not we who have made it so... but those who sit gloating in those murky shadows convinced of their victory and pouring more from the cup of poison with which they plan to kill off their next victims.. melodramatic? Maybe.. maybe not.. time will tell...

I may go into the night, disappear and be forgotten and my passing little mourned.. but I will not go quietly...

Dark, I was stunned by these recent developments, just as you; and I think I can empathize with what you're feeling right now. I see several personal ironies going on but I won't elaborate, at least not right now. I have always felt my days on this site were numbered, especially lately. If you go....I will miss you also. I mean this sincerely....you are the first atheist I've actually grown fond of, although when I first encountered you, you seriously rubbed me the wrong way. That's one irony. As I told you once before, if this were Reader's Digest....you'd be one of "my most unforgettable" characters.

[falcondfw]

I do recall Tom. He was here before I was void, and used ddbm (I think) as a handle. I recall speaking with him at times via messages here. He indeed did love cooking. I also recall roughly when he started creating puppets. Did not realize Diamond __ was part of that, and will not say with certainty I've seen Diamond __ use puppets. That is not to say he did not, nor did. He may well have, I did have some reservations towards him. I've seen others use puppets. Some have done so constructively. Some destructively. I think using puppets may be a bit unfair, immature. Not here to 'play games'.

Normally context and subtext can reveal puppets. People exhibit their own 'voices' and often puppet 'voices' reflect upon and 'smoke out' the ruse/s.

To clarify, my rational for a handle switch came from forgetting the log in information. It happens to the best and worst. It was not due to some sinister or dubious ulterior motive.

Ok. I know I am this big fancy web developer and stuff, but sometimes, I guess I am a bit naive. Can anyone explain to me what the heck is meant by "puppets"?

[CelticBerserker]

I hate to drop the veil but recent events have forced me to. First of all- Yes, I am bipolar type one. Yes I had a breakdown and went on a hack and slash adventure a few years ago. BUT- since then I have done nothing but occasionally lurk. I think Diamonddog is behind this. When there were tasteless threads posted by one "beserker"- what was disclosed was stuff I only told to diamonddog in IM chats.

I don't really care if anyone believes me or not. I'm taking my pills and doing my best these days. I wish you all well.

Oh, and Fran- whoever contacted you was not me. For real.

Respectfully-
Tom

[littlerayofsunshine]

I hate to drop the veil but recent events have forced me to. First of all- Yes, I am bipolar type one. Yes I had a breakdown and went on a hack and slash adventure a few years ago. BUT- since then I have done nothing but occasionally lurk. I think Diamonddog is behind this. When there were tasteless threads posted by one "beserker"- what was disclosed was stuff I only told to diamonddog in IM chats.

I don't really care if anyone believes me or not. I'm taking my pills and doing my best these days. I wish you all well.

Oh, and Fran- whoever contacted you was not me. For real.

Respectfully-
Tom

Hey Tom, Remember me? Glad to see you are good and getting better. I know this is the real you. I believe you and in you.

[pepperjack]

It's getting to be like a realy bad script for a Batman film here. Sock Puppets? Was it the Sock Puppets that drove BiVirgin and Aeon to post all they posted against their will or something?
I've watched just about every episode of Columbo there is, and I can tell you that just coz somebody springs up and mentions 'sock puppets', doesn't mean they are innocent.
I sugest we move in packs of 3 and stay close to the candles.lol


100% agree there. Nor should there be ANY discrimination here no matter what. We don't have to march in the streets waving flags for each other, but we can exersise a tactfull tolerance of our varied situations etc. I'm talking about cheaters etc.
Not adding that aimed at you Falcon! (just in case you think I'm mean it sarcasticaly.lol)

Also a lover of Columbo; have also seen every episode, some several times! Other than Holmes, one of the greatest detective characters ever created.

[pepperjack]

Ok. I know I am this big fancy web developer and stuff, but sometimes, I guess I am a bit naive. Can anyone explain to me what the heck is meant by "puppets"?

Same here! I know what a puppet ruler is & have learned what ( I think) "trolls" are.

[pepperjack]

SJ Murph,
Speaking of reading, I think you need to go back and re-read this thread from its beginning.
Joan was not banned for her controversial ideas, not even for her dislike of bisexual men. She was banned for attacking new people on this web site and invalidating them as people, before getting to know them. She belittled them and made them question themselves even more than they already were, instead of welcoming them and trying to help them solve their problems. To put it bluntly, she scared people off, not because of her ideas, but because she was rude, crude, gruff, and uncaring towards brand new people who were only looking for an answer.
That kind of attitude is not welcomed on any forum I have ever been a member of and Drew tolerated it for a very long time. I don't know if he personally warned Joan, but a lot of regular members did.

Well, I'm sure everyone here is familiar with the maxim about 1st impressions. Aeon/Joan was yes, very intelligent & mine was that she made sure everyone here knew it. I clashed with her initially with what appeared to be her highly condescending attitude. Eventually, she became more civil toward me; we even shared some very meaningful PMs; same with Bisexual Virgin. I actually had a playful flirtation going on with her; doesn't like bisexual men? Could've fooled me.

[darkeyes]

I hate to drop the veil but recent events have forced me to. First of all- Yes, I am bipolar type one. Yes I had a breakdown and went on a hack and slash adventure a few years ago. BUT- since then I have done nothing but occasionally lurk. I think Diamonddog is behind this. When there were tasteless threads posted by one "beserker"- what was disclosed was stuff I only told to diamonddog in IM chats.

I don't really care if anyone believes me or not. I'm taking my pills and doing my best these days. I wish you all well.

Oh, and Fran- whoever contacted you was not me. For real.

Respectfully-
Tom

ewo Tom... if u are who I think u are I hope an trust u are well.. whatever.. the past is the past.. and we should always look forward...u seem to be doin' fine and am truly glad 2 know it.. all we can do is our best and no 1 can ask ne more... I saw ur post earlier.. and couldn't believe me eyes tbh.. I went to bed but couldn't rest cos ur post kept going through my mind.. so here I am saying hi...and keep it going fine willya?

[biblkman]

Hey, I support Drew's decision, the people he banned were full of hate, its one thing to express your opinion ,but when your opinion is blatant hatred for a certain group ,than yes, action must be taken but....

I hope these members getting banned doesn't discourage, people from posting real concern, opinion ,story's and ideas.

And I understand what the people who said ban me too are trying to do...there standing up for what they believe is right, but...its simple if you don't like Drew's decision than leave !
It's simple the straight people who come here say they are here to get a better understanding of bisexuality or need to vent.

But if your here to spew hateful remarks about a certain group or support those people than maybe this isn't the site for you.

[IanBorthwick]

I'm forced to concur with biblkman. No one should be allowed to come here and spew hate with impunity, and they did so for far longer than anyone else I have seen get away with it, and it was far more blatant. Calling it "intelligent" simply because Joan knew some catchphrases(and used them inaccurately) and could quote-mine badly(which is a form of lying) got too many to be impressed with her and think her wise. As for BiVirgin, I had her on ignore for so long I forgot she was around until she was banned, but the same thing holds true for her. Had she been a HE, the banning would have come about 200 posts sooner.

I'm sorry they felt the way they do and sorry they were hurt as they were to lash out int he fashion they did. I hope they find some measure of peace someday and that this will all be swept aside in their hearts and minds, stage a place for a new beginning and going forth they will have a better time of it.

Anyway, that's my two cents. I'll be going back to lurking also and reading occasionally, but not really posting as before things went strange.

[slipnslide]

Why am I not fucking banned yet?

Come on Drew, get the dick out of your mouth and do your job.

[falcondfw]

Why am I not fucking banned yet?

Come on Drew, get the dick out of your mouth and do your job.

Slip, based on what you have posted here, you are a complete ass and Drew would do well to be rid of you.
But you do not need to go to these extremes. Just delete your account and ask that Drew deletes all your posts and threads. Never come back and you will not know if he deleted things or not. Seems to me that you just want attention. Otherwise, you would already be gone.

[slipnslide]

Slip, based on what you have posted here, you are a complete ass and Drew would do well to be rid of you.
But you do not need to go to these extremes. Just delete your account and ask that Drew deletes all your posts and threads. Never come back and you will not know if he deleted things or not. Seems to me that you just want attention. Otherwise, you would already be gone.

I am drawing attention to the fact that this is a community of idiots policed by idiots.

[falcondfw]

I am drawing attention to the fact that this is a community of idiots policed by idiots.

Then you truly do need to be banned. There are a lot of intelligent people who debate and express their opinions in a civil manner here. I am sorry that you cannot get along in a community. You might have had some good contributions to the group.

[MtnMan]

I agree, Drew. I was a member on a site in our more-or-less local area near Sacramento that was ruined first by a member who started rude, then became ruthless. The site was eventually abandoned by its creator because of the havoc this one jerk created, and the rest of us were saddened by it. We all have to be careful of censoring, but there is a correct time and place for it, and you used your powers wisely.

[slipnslide]

Then you truly do need to be banned. There are a lot of intelligent people who debate and express their opinions in a civil manner here. I am sorry that you cannot get along in a community. You might have had some good contributions to the group.

I see in your profile that you're a fat guy. Your opinion is meaningless to me.