Beck and MLK Day

[niftyshellshock]

I think Glenn Beck's one of the most wonderful trolls we have right now, and this speech he's planned is just like the cherry on top of the whipped cream in an illustrious trolling career.

How many of you are for him speaking at the rally today?
Those of you that aren't, would you be happier if he moved his speech say...two blocks away? ;)

[Hephaestion]

MLK would be Martin Luther King?

What an ammusing character is Mr Glenn Beck.

We have LBC in London. They like to call themselves London's Biggest Conversation. Sometimes the name London's Bullshit Centre seems more appropriate. Their saving grace is that the spectrum of presenters can vary (a little) according to the program.

Beware if you ever engage in 'live' conversation with any of these characters.

a) you have to move away from the radio / TV so that feedback is not a problem

b) there is a delay in the transmission so that bleeps can be entered if needed

c) they can refer to the previous caller which you may have not heard as under instruction you have moved away from the radio / TV and you are waiting for the call back so as to speak.

d) if put in a difficult position they have the off button

[TaylorMade]

I think Glenn Beck's one of the most wonderful trolls we have right now, and this speech he's planned is just like the cherry on top of the whipped cream in an illustrious trolling career.

How many of you are for him speaking at the rally today?
Those of you that aren't, would you be happier if he moved his speech say...two blocks away? ;)

Thing is... that rally will be over by this time tomorrow.

That mosque is going to be there for a while.

Invalid. Please try again.

*Taylor*

[void()]

Sorry. Glenn who?

I genuinely don't pay attention. Don't even bother over Rush L., either. On another note, ever notice that sports casters sure do get paid gobs to do nothing? I mean really. Do I need six guys explaining how I saw one guy punch another, or get a touchdown, shoot a basket? Of course you got political analysts and news reporters too. Do I need twenty people telling me that POTUS said boo? Oh wait, it has to be in proper context, I forgot. They got to 'break it down' for poor uneducated Appalachian Hill Billies like me.

"Lissen Izzy, 'e say y'all gonna git scart! Cos 'e be ova dere sayin that big word y'all not figure out means nought. So, the market she still a bust and creeks gonna rise on the mor, got rain a comin in. Same ol' thang folks."

[H0wardmoon]

I'm for freedom of expression, and he can do whatever he want on MLK Day. He should cut the coy "is that what day it is?" bull, however.

I'm more afraid of Beck than I am of radical Islam. Why? Because Beck has a large forum in the biggest, most powerful country in the world, and has influenced many of its politicians. There is exactly one Muslim in Congress, and he is a moderate.

[TaylorMade]

I'm for freedom of expression, and he can do whatever he want on MLK Day. He should cut the coy "is that what day it is?" bull, however.

I'm more afraid of Beck than I am of radical Islam. Why? Because Beck has a large forum in the biggest, most powerful country in the world, and has influenced many of its politicians. There is exactly one Muslim in Congress, and he is a moderate.

Seriously? You're afraid of a TV pundit? Have you ever watched his show?

This isn't even about Beck in my eyes. . .it's about perspective. You're more afraid of a TV Pundit than of a set of people who've actually killed people.


http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/cat_FACEPALM.jpg

~logs off life~

*Taylor*

[tenni]

"Seriously? You're afraid of a TV pundit? Have you ever watched his show? "

I think if we look at the Tea Party group and the misinformation that they speak about, I have to wonder if this man and others like him on TV have more power than we may think. Propaganda is propaganda.

[TaylorMade]

"Seriously? You're afraid of a TV pundit? Have you ever watched his show? "

I think if we look at the Tea Party group and the misinformation that they speak about, I have to wonder if this man and others like him on TV have more power than we may think. Propaganda is propaganda.

Have you ever watched his show? We're not talking about the Tea Party, we're talking about Glenn Beck, or rather the pantywaisted and skewed perspective some have of him.

But to be more afraid of this man and his supporters who have YET TO DO ANYTHING, than Radical Islam (which does have a record of actual violence across the world) is selective blindness.

Christ, people! You are more afraid of a group that has not done violence, than a group that does. . .That's like being afraid of a barking dog because of the noise, but cuddling a viper to your chest after it has killed your friend.

*Taylor*

[littlerayofsunshine]

On another note, ever notice that sports casters sure do get paid gobs to do nothing? I mean really. Do I need six guys explaining how I saw one guy punch another, or get a touchdown, shoot a basket?


There's one that does it on Fox during the football season and hubby and I crack up because when he talks, he's blatantly staring at the other guys crotch as he does so.

[H0wardmoon]

Have you ever watched his show? We're not talking about the Tea Party, we're talking about Glenn Beck, or rather the pantywaisted and skewed perspective some have of him.

But to be more afraid of this man and his supporters who have YET TO DO ANYTHING, than Radical Islam (which does have a record of actual violence across the world) is selective blindness.

Christ, people! You are more afraid of a group that has not done violence, than a group that does. . .That's like being afraid of a barking dog because of the noise, but cuddling a viper to your chest after it has killed your friend.

*Taylor*

Who is ultimately a bigger danger to our RIGHTS?

And don't tell me "oh youre in Canada," because there is a very frightening right wing in our country.

[abstruse_ric]

"Politics is the art of polarization."
--John Ehrlichman

I think that pretty much sums it all up.

[tenni]

Have you ever watched his show? We're not talking about the Tea Party, we're talking about Glenn Beck, or rather the pantywaisted and skewed perspective some have of him.

But to be more afraid of this man and his supporters who have YET TO DO ANYTHING, than Radical Islam (which does have a record of actual violence across the world) is selective blindness.

Christ, people! You are more afraid of a group that has not done violence, than a group that does. . .That's like being afraid of a barking dog because of the noise, but cuddling a viper to your chest after it has killed your friend.

*Taylor*

Yes, I've watched Beck's programme. I've seen Tea Party people spout his ideas and misinformation on US TV news as well.

[open2both]

Here's the deal...
I'm a Democrat and even I'VE had enough!
The Palosi/Obama "new" Democratic mindset is stuck in the "60's" and thus dinosaur-ic.
Sure Beck is FLAWED but is still 85% right.
Sad it's come to this but I'll NEVER vote for ANY Democrat candidate or cause EVER again. I'm done!

[tommyswing]

Have you ever watched his show? We're not talking about the Tea Party, we're talking about Glenn Beck, or rather the pantywaisted and skewed perspective some have of him.

But to be more afraid of this man and his supporters who have YET TO DO ANYTHING, than Radical Islam (which does have a record of actual violence across the world) is selective blindness.

Christ, people! You are more afraid of a group that has not done violence, than a group that does. . .That's like being afraid of a barking dog because of the noise, but cuddling a viper to your chest after it has killed your friend.

*Taylor*
I for the life of me cannot understand how anyone can feel more threatened by Glen Beck, than by a Radical Muslim who would gladly take a bi or gay person and saw their head off while chanting God is great. I can only conclude that it feels safer for some to be afraid of the right wing and Christians, then come to terms with the fact Militant Islam wants to destroy all of us and will go to any lengths to achieve that goal.
Thank you Taylor for common sense and logic.

[IndyBiFun]

I wish I could have attended to support our troops and our heritage. The left forgets all of the good things this country has done and will continue to do. That is, if we have a friendly government.

[Daytonman]

Hey...He is Right!! Most people are just too stupid or just don't care about anything but their own little lives! Period!

[TaylorMade]

Who is ultimately a bigger danger to our RIGHTS?

And don't tell me "oh youre in Canada," because there is a very frightening right wing in our country.

Radical Islam. Rights don't mean shit if you're not alive to fight for them.

*Taylor*

[TaylorMade]

Yes, I've watched Beck's programme. I've seen Tea Party people spout his ideas and misinformation on US TV news as well.

If misinformation is what you're afraid of, watching ALL tv must be terrifying for you.

*Taylor*

[tenni]

If misinformation is what you're afraid of, watching ALL tv must be terrifying for you.

*Taylor*

You seem to write a lot about terror, fear and fighting.

[TaylorMade]

You seem to write a lot about terror, fear and fighting.

The last topic I had anything to post in at length was partially about Radical Islam, and if you're paying attention, its to be expected. If you're trying to be an armchair psych, you're going to have to try harder, tenni. ;)

*Taylor*

[Humdidity]

The psycho Beck influences the minds of millions of undereducated Americans with his demagoguery. As for who is scarier, comparing the two seems childish and I don't see any logic or constructive purpose in it.

[tenni]

The last topic I had anything to post in at length was partially about Radical Islam, and if you're paying attention, its to be expected. If you're trying to be an armchair psych, you're going to have to try harder, tenni. ;)

*Taylor*

Although the OP mentioned something about moving the Beck rally two blocks from where MLK spoke, you are the one to introduce Islam. You are the one to connect Beck to Islam on this thread.

[TaylorMade]

Although the OP mentioned something about moving the Beck rally two blocks from where MLK spoke, you are the one to introduce Islam. You are the one to connect Beck to Islam on this thread.

Two blocks away was a reference to the mosque debate in the other thread. So Islam (later narrowed to Radical Islam) was on the table from the get go. Why did the thought occur now, rather than before we had that little back and forth?

*Taylor*

[TaylorMade]

Although the OP mentioned something about moving the Beck rally two blocks from where MLK spoke, you are the one to introduce Islam. You are the one to connect Beck to Islam on this thread.

But two blocks is a reference to the mosques' distance from Ground Zero, correct? If you're unwilling to answer that, then I don't see the need to waste bandwidth.

*Taylor*

[Jack_Daddy]

I'm totally fascinated by the phenomena that effects all you liberals. It's so... predictable, yet still interesting to watch. As sure as the sun will rise tomorrow morning, it is impossible for liberals to calmly and dispassionately discuss ANYTHING of a political nature. A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G!!! Hell, you can't even say the man's name without tacking an offensive prefix to it. And of course anyone who agrees with the man... well, they're just under-educated fools. Right? Well, I'll tell you Humdidity, I'll hold my expensive Liberal Arts graduate degrees against yours ANY day. While I'm at it... let me also tell all you Liberal elitist snobs... Glenn Beck is a great American. He speaks his mind and his voice resonates with the voice of MILLIONS of other American's fed up with you tax & spend jokers who have hijacked this great nation. Your great Nanny-state isn't going to be around much longer. The free and independent thinking Americans who were at Becks rally are the same people who are going to toss Queen Nancy and Prince Harry and all you dirt-bag Democrat and Republicans OUT! We're bringing back the Constitution, and American pride... and there's not a damn thing you hate-filled, narrow-minded, American-hating bastards can do about it. I hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes of fame and glory, because the party is over.

As for the MOSQUE... the Mosque will never be built... never, ever. I just can't see New York Iron-workers who pulled corpses out of the rubble at Ground Zero raise a single finger to build a trophy to terrorism. And that's just the Iron-Workers. Besides, who is going to sell this Muslim radical the steel or concrete he needs? Nope... it ain't gonna happen.


The psycho Beck influences the minds of millions of undereducated Americans with his demagoguery. As for who is scarier, comparing the two seems childish and I don't see any logic or constructive purpose in it.

[tenni]

"American pride..."
Is this the same pride that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis?

It is the US pride that takes it down the road to killing so many of the rest of us.

Keep it within your border and all the rest of us would be happier and more of us alive. Unfortunately, it overflows our border and other countries.

The US is not healing itself. It is perpetuating what caused 911.

[H0wardmoon]

I for the life of me cannot understand how anyone can feel more threatened by Glen Beck, than by a Radical Muslim who would gladly take a bi or gay person and saw their head off while chanting God is great. I can only conclude that it feels safer for some to be afraid of the right wing and Christians, then come to terms with the fact Militant Islam wants to destroy all of us and will go to any lengths to achieve that goal.
Thank you Taylor for common sense and logic.

There are horrible, virulent diseases that can kill people within hours. Heart disease kills far more people, but over a long period of time. Radical Islam is like the more virulent diseases, while the Christian right is like heart disease.

The point is which is a more plausible threat. Militant Islam may *want* to "destroy all of us," but the idea that they *can* is just... not that likely. Not a single Islamist regime has nuclear weapons, or really that much of an army. Terrorism is the tactic of people fighting from a weak position - shocking, good at getting people's attention, but ultimately not very effective. There is simply very little chance that Islamists could come anywhere near taking over any Western countries.

The Christian Right, however, has made many inroads in the U.S. and Canadian political systems. They have managed to block same-sex marriage, are doing their best to roll back abortion rights, and am bringing the U.S. much closer to a theocracy that the Islamists could ever dream. (Oh, and they have killed people, too. Through murder and intimidation, they've managed to frighten many doctors out of performing abortions).

It's not even a contest for me.

[H0wardmoon]

Radical Islam. Rights don't mean shit if you're not alive to fight for them.

*Taylor*

There was exactly one major attack on American soil, and it's been nearly 10 years. There are no armies of radical Muslims set to invade at any moment.

The Christian Right, on the other hand, have managed to make inroads at every level of government in both the U.S. and Canada. It's not a contest, IMHO.

[sephirothtx]

beck is the voice and mindthink of the anti gay/black/mexican/muslim, ect... morons that hope to change the country "for the better"

aka only for the straight, god fearing, white supremists

its really to bad he didn't fall down those steps today and put himself out of our misery,

[TaylorMade]

There was exactly one major attack on American soil, and it's been nearly 10 years. There are no armies of radical Muslims set to invade at any moment.

The Christian Right, on the other hand, have managed to make inroads at every level of government in both the U.S. and Canada. It's not a contest, IMHO.

Fort Hood doesn't ring a bell? A radicalized US Army Officer shot and killed soldiers! That was last November! I hate to break it to you, Radical Islam HAS shed blood in this country in the past 10 years.

Your klaxon act over Christians who have used the legal means allowed to them, and that their deepest violation has been the LDS screwing with the law is a true act of cranio-rectal inversion.

*Taylor*

[TaylorMade]

beck is the voice and mindthink of the anti gay/black/mexican/muslim, ect... morons that hope to change the country "for the better"

aka only for the straight, god fearing, white supremists

its really to bad he didn't fall down those steps today and put himself out of our misery,

That's news to some of the gentlemen on this thread. . .but hey, everyone loves their stereotypes.

*Taylor*

[Hephaestion]

Interesting listening to the radio this morning about New Orleans. It seems that New Orleans has contracted in populaiton by 25%. This was partly down to how it was that the flood compenaiton was being meted out. The poorer areas of town were being given typically 40K USD per household whereas similar households in other parts of town were receiving in excess of 200k USD.

Possibly building below sea-level is not a sensible thing and influenced matters. However, it was also noted that there was a coincidence of 'ethnicity' in the disparity. As we all know correlation does not necessarily mean causality nor was it being claimed; sterotypes do not exist.

Also on TV last night was a programme about E2 visas and how it was that UK migrants were being 'over scruttinised' on their contribution to the USA economy; their sustainable profits in tens of thousands of USD after ALL outgoings were paid were deemed too low to be satisfactory and so they faced deportation after 90 days. Damned Scots. Always a problem wherever they go.

Conversely it must be that Faisal Shahzad is a good old Anglo-saxon name that went over with the early settlers.

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[darkeyes]

Damned Scots. Always a problem wherever they go.




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:):tong::bigrin:;):angel:

[darkeyes]

Thank you right wing America for giving me some of the funniest odd moments for ages over the last day or so.. thank you right wing .com for helpng make it even funnier....:bigrin:

[tenni]

"It is so humbling to get to be here with you today, patriots — you who are motivated and engaged and concerned, knowing to never retreat," she said. "No, we must not fundamentally transform America as some would want; we must restore America and restore her honor." (Palin)

""This is a day that we can start the heart of America again," Beck said. "It has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with God. Everything [with] turning our face back to the values and the principles that made us great." (Beck)

'Alveda King has been outspoken in her stands against abortion and gay marriage, and has compared "tea party" activism to the civil rights movement. "I too have a dream," she said. "I have a dream that America will pray and God will forgive us our sins."

Sins of the USA. What will be done so that the USA sins no more?

Is restoring America defined as to what it is being restored to? Rid the USA of abortion. Rid the USA of same sex marriage? Remove voting rights for Black, Latino and women voters?

How are the values and principles that made the US great different from the values and principles that made it a war monger and try to control the world?

[tenni]

Riiiiiiiiight. Nothing's happened at all in a decade in either Canada or the United States. :rolleyes:

What about the recent foiled plot in Ottawa Canada?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11117715

Or what about the foiled plot of NYC Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad?

How do they differ from a Timothy McVeigh, FLQ in the late 60's in Canada or any number of killers that go "postal" and kill the people that they work with, killing of women in Montreal at the Dawson community college? (their Muslim....right:eek: )

[tenni]

"What is needed is a reorientation of America away from consumerist hedonism and back to a sensible balance between production, consumption, discretionary spending, saving and investment; an end to current-account and budgetary deficits and a comprehensive plan to reduce debt and not just devalue the currency in which it is denominated. Where foreign policy is concerned, the country must redefine its national interest in a way that does not have it on both sides of the war on terror (by its support of Islamist oil exporters and of Pakistan’s patronage of Taliban factions). And there must be profound reform of the competing public-policy shambles of justice, education, immigration, environment, health care and the incandescent scandal of corrupt campaign-funding and congressional vote-buying. This is the accumulated sludge of decades of misgovernment by a system that, in its cowardice, ducked illegal immigration, abortion, wealth disparity and most other crunch issues that legislators and government officials are paid to address. The pace of America’s renascence and with it, of stability in the world, now depend on whether the United States can again identify and elevate a president equal to these daunting tasks."
Conrad Black

Read more: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/08/28/conrad-black-american-apocalypse/#ixzz0xzqdSk80

Conrad Black is a bit of an arrogant rascal but I'd put him up against the likes of Beck and Palin for pointing out what needs to be done for the poor ol USA's honour. It will probably never happen though. (not one word about God or the military business either....funny)

[darkeyes]

"What is needed is a reorientation of America away from consumerist hedonism and back to a sensible balance between production, consumption, discretionary spending, saving and investment; an end to current-account and budgetary deficits and a comprehensive plan to reduce debt and not just devalue the currency in which it is denominated. Where foreign policy is concerned, the country must redefine its national interest in a way that does not have it on both sides of the war on terror (by its support of Islamist oil exporters and of Pakistan’s patronage of Taliban factions). And there must be profound reform of the competing public-policy shambles of justice, education, immigration, environment, health care and the incandescent scandal of corrupt campaign-funding and congressional vote-buying. This is the accumulated sludge of decades of misgovernment by a system that, in its cowardice, ducked illegal immigration, abortion, wealth disparity and most other crunch issues that legislators and government officials are paid to address. The pace of America’s renascence and with it, of stability in the world, now depend on whether the United States can again identify and elevate a president equal to these daunting tasks."
Conrad Black

Read more: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/08/28/conrad-black-american-apocalypse/#ixzz0xzqdSk80

Conrad Black is a bit of an arrogant rascal but I'd put him up against the likes of Beck and Palin for pointing out what needs to be done for the poor ol USA's honour. It will probably never happen though. (not one word about God or the military business either....funny)

God, Tenni.. from the ridiculous to the ridiculous.. u don't allow us much of a choice do ya?

[H0wardmoon]

Riiiiiiiiight. Nothing's happened at all in a decade in either Canada or the United States. :rolleyes:

What about the recent foiled plot in Ottawa Canada?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11117715

Or what about the foiled plot of NYC Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad?

If you're going to talk foiled plots, you would have to include the various militia groups, assassination plots, and even more attempts at bombing abortion clinics. (Of course, those aren't considered "terror" because "terror" is never committed by white Christians)

The reason that there haven't been as many incidents from the Christian right is because they have been *in power* for the past 8 years. Obama being in power has driven them crazy again.

To say it again: Islamist terror organizations = nasty, scary, but ultimately not very effective in the long run unless we let that destroy our own civil liberties.
The Christian right = not as overtly scary, but far more insidious and effective at making life very bad for anyone not like them.

[tenni]

Beck is very knowledgeable and an art critic. Here is a message from "Art Threat culture and politics @ http://artthreat.net/2010/08/glenn-beck-art-critic/

" Pointing to the place about 150 feet up the Egyptian-style obelisk, where the color of the stone suddenly changes, Beck gravely exhorted the crowd to note the “scar” on the founding president’s memorial. It happened, he said, when construction was halted for the national trauma of the Civil War — the apparent implication being that Saturday’s rally would perform some necessary plastic surgery on race-related social divisions splitting the country.

Well, close but no cigar. In fact the “scar” predates the Civil War. [...]

When building ceased [due to a lack of funds], a private group of political activists grabbed the project’s reins — but they promptly made a huge mess of things. When Pope Pius IX donated a building stone from the Temple of Concord in Rome for the restarted Washington Monument project, the [anti-Catholic] activists had it destroyed. Through in-fighting, ideological division and bursts of election-related violence, the group fell apart after two years. The shoddy work they had done on the monument had to be removed. Hence the “scar” we see today.

So the architectural imperfection Glenn Beck employed as he riled up his army of sectarian religious fanatics was, in fact, the mark of colossal failure by a group of sectarian religious fanatics. An inconvenient truth, no doubt, for the home-schooled art critic, so Beck just did what Beck knows best, and create an alternative history that fits his disturbing narrative."

* maybe because reports before yesterday stated that he would stay in the same motel/hotel as King did when he wrote his speech the day before his speech. Supposedly, Beck was not going to actually write the speech. That may partially account for the errors?...wonder how many others there were?

I heard that he didn't say many facts yesterday because he has a book coming out on how to tell the US to plan its path for the next 100 years.

darkeyes
Conrad Black is a conservative capitalist, now a convicted criminal out on bail from the US jail system, but I thought that his ideas had more concrete in them than Becks?

[TaylorMade]

Dude, the event is over. . .

I think you guys can stop being scared of the big bad Christians now.:rolleyes:

*Taylor*

[niftyshellshock]

Here's the deal...
I'm a Democrat and even I'VE had enough!
The Palosi/Obama "new" Democratic mindset is stuck in the "60's" and thus dinosaur-ic.
Sure Beck is FLAWED but is still 85% right.
Sad it's come to this but I'll NEVER vote for ANY Democrat candidate or cause EVER again. I'm done!

http://politifact.com/personalities/glenn-beck/

Yeah, that's quite an impressive track record.
Taylor does bring up a good point, why should we fear right-wing Christian [extremists] when far and large in recent history, it is extremist Muslims that have had the upper hand when it comes to fucking shit up, if you'll excuse the vulgarity.

For me it is simple:
Radical muslims cannot vote in the United States.
Radical right-wingers can.

Radical Christians can affect my life far more than the Radical Muslims can. Radical Christians CAN vote to restrict my own rights. Radical Christians CAN and HAVE restricted the rights of the GLBT population.
You don't see the left trying to change the 14th amendment.

Yeah, I mentioned the GZM in the OP because, well, I thought it was funny that people elsewhere who were so vocal in favor of the mosque, would suddenly turn around and be like, "No, Beck, you CANNOT do that, because it offends me!"

Apples and oranges, maybe, but it created a good discussion.

And Jack Daddy is either really good at trolling or completely deluded.

[TaylorMade]

http://politifact.com/personalities/glenn-beck/

Yeah, that's quite an impressive track record.
Taylor does bring up a good point, why should we fear right-wing Christian [extremists] when far and large in recent history, it is extremist Muslims that have had the upper hand when it comes to fucking shit up, if you'll excuse the vulgarity.

For me it is simple:
Radical muslims cannot vote in the United States.
Radical right-wingers can.

Radical Christians can affect my life far more than the Radical Muslims can. Radical Christians CAN vote to restrict my own rights. Radical Christians CAN and HAVE restricted the rights of the GLBT population.
You don't see the left trying to change the 14th amendment.

Yeah, I mentioned the GZM in the OP because, well, I thought it was funny that people elsewhere who were so vocal in favor of the mosque, would suddenly turn around and be like, "No, Beck, you CANNOT do that, because it offends me!"

Apples and oranges, maybe, but it created a good discussion.

And Jack Daddy is either really good at trolling or completely deluded.

Remember. . .uh, you can vote too if you're a citizen (and in some cases, if you're not. ;) ). You can organize and work for your cause just as they have. It's not hard to be a well-armed lamb. I'd rather combat the power of the vote than the power of the gun. Easier that way. :p Unfucking shit up via the ballot box is a little easier (note what has happened with Proposition 8). I don't see the TSA rolling back all the airport procedures anytime soon (thank you underwear/shoe bombers),or the government sunsetting the Patriot Act(thank you 9/11). . .so Radical Islam (or rather it's fruit) does affect your life.

As to the 14th Amendment. . . my jury is still out. Some people DO make a good case for it's repeal (it was intended for Native Americans and Emancipated slaves, and most countries DO NOT extend such a right to people), but . . . fuck, even the Mormons and the Southern Baptists won't hear of such actions. Yup... from what I understand, the OFFICIAL word from much of the upper Christian establishment is at about entertaining the idea of amnesty, what would Jesus do and all of that. So, there's that.

But hey, I'm part asshole, so....lemme wrap it up with a little taunting. . . HEY TENNI . . .hope you read the bolded! ;)


*Taylor*

[darkeyes]

Dude, the event is over. . .

I think you guys can stop being scared of the big bad Christians now.:rolleyes:

*Taylor*

O Taylor hun.. stop it.. me sides r hurtin wiv the laffin'...:bigrin::tong:

[Pasadenacpl2]

You seem to write a lot about terror, fear and fighting.

And you seem to write a lot about how bad America is. Your point?

Pasa

[Pasadenacpl2]

"It is so humbling to get to be here with you today, patriots — you who are motivated and engaged and concerned, knowing to never retreat," she said. "No, we must not fundamentally transform America as some would want; we must restore America and restore her honor." (Palin)

""This is a day that we can start the heart of America again," Beck said. "It has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with God. Everything [with] turning our face back to the values and the principles that made us great." (Beck)

'Alveda King has been outspoken in her stands against abortion and gay marriage, and has compared "tea party" activism to the civil rights movement. "I too have a dream," she said. "I have a dream that America will pray and God will forgive us our sins."

Sins of the USA. What will be done so that the USA sins no more?

Is restoring America defined as to what it is being restored to? Rid the USA of abortion. Rid the USA of same sex marriage? Remove voting rights for Black, Latino and women voters?

How are the values and principles that made the US great different from the values and principles that made it a war monger and try to control the world?

I don't believe anything was said about voting rights. Who is trying to throw out propoganda now, Tenni?

And, we're not the war mongers you make us out to be. I'll be happy to debate you on this topic if you wish. Just because we aren't pansies who hide behind the skirts of the nation south of them for comfort and protection doesn't mean we are war mongers. It must be nice to criticize the nation who provides your defense for it's military.

Question: why has no one bothered to invade Canada for it's exceedingly rich natural resources?
Answer: The USA would fuck whoever tried.

If you think the answer is that Canada is just chock full of nice people you would be wrong.

Pasa

[niftyshellshock]

Don't underestimate the Canadians, Pasadena, or they'll send you a really nasty letter of condemnation.

[Pasadenacpl2]

I'm counting on it. I ran out of toilet paper and don't get paid till next week.

Pasa

[TaylorMade]

Don't underestimate the Canadians, Pasadena, or they'll send you a really nasty letter of condemnation.

I'm gonna stick up for the Canadian Armed forces a li'l bit. Their SF operators can be badass (they've shown as much in Afghanistan), and they have open service!

Their Navy sucks, but eh, that's what the Americans are for.

*Taylor*

[tenni]

I don't believe anything was said about voting rights. Who is trying to throw out propoganda now, Tenni?

And, we're not the war mongers you make us out to be. I'll be happy to debate you on this topic if you wish. Just because we aren't pansies who hide behind the skirts of the nation south of them for comfort and protection doesn't mean we are war mongers. It must be nice to criticize the nation who provides your defense for it's military.

Question: why has no one bothered to invade Canada for it's exceedingly rich natural resources?
Answer: The USA would fuck whoever tried.

If you think the answer is that Canada is just chock full of nice people you would be wrong.

Pasa


Hey Pasa
Finish your summer courses? good on ya. I hope that you did well.

The question that I wrote was what is Beck going to restore your country as? How far back are they proposing?... The question is he wanting to restore your country to a time when Blacks could not vote ..let alone dare to be your president? Lots of talks about Latinos in your country as illegal immigrant. Lots of veiled comments that some see as racist.

2/ It is my view that your country is a war monger and has been for more than one hundred years...maybe all the way back. Born out of violence Remain violent. Your history proves it to me. You just do not see it that way. Iraq ...Iraq...Iraq is just the most recent. We've had that dance. From my perspective the fact that guys like Beck want to hide what happened and restore the "honour" etc. shows me an attempt not to face reality. It seems to be people like you Pasa who buy into the lies of Beck etc. over and over again. Freedom..ya sure..fer fcuk sakes... Wear yer pretty litle Ab Lincoln costumes to Beck's party...silly, insecure, brainwashed asses...lol

3/ Why has my country not been invaded? Do you mean other than 1812 when your country invaded and we (ok Brits) kicked your ass and you out? :) There are more ways to invade a country than send in the military. We are pussies when it comes to you. We just bend over for ya and say give it to me big boy...lol. We attempt to live in peace with you. In many,many cases your country out manouvres my country politically and doesn't need to send in the troops. Your country has invaded my country. You just do not know it. Remember that Canucks are sitting down in your country right by the red button just as your guys are up here...NORAD. Your boys are up here right now doing Arctic manouvres with us and the Danes ...I think that it is the Danes. As far as our natural resources, you get them cheap. We are in danger once again to selling out our natural resources to multi international companies. Potash is the latest attack. As someone up here said, can you imagine Saudi Arabia selling their oil if some company came in and tried a hostile take over?...or your country? Yep, we are pussies. Bushie lite was all upset when Canucks refused to go to the immoral Iraq invasion. He and his minions threw quite a few slurs at us. He had his little ambassador scold us ..how dare we..lol Negotiations slowed down on conflicts...but when we went back to Afghanistan..well that was different. Still ignored us so some weak ego Canuck's thought. Canucks are niave little princesses when it come to dating Uncle Sam.

Taylor
You should have seen our lame ass PM trying to say that the Ruskies were trying to enter our territory the other day. They come close all the time apparently. He just wants to justify buying 65 jets from ya. You wait.(.I hope). Our Canuck navy had better get better to keep the Yanks, Ruskies, Danes out of your Arctic territory..big dispute on the horizon now. Apparently, it is all about continental shelves and how far they go. Watch us lose that one. No one cared that the Arctic was ours until the big thaw...lol...Can you say ...oil...let's destroy the arctic environment...ya

[Pasadenacpl2]

Tenni,

We were forced into both World Wars. We were asked by the UN to go to Korea. France made Vietnam the nightmare that it was, and the UN asked us to go clean up their mess. Lybia attacked us first, and the Central American issues were all matters of them forcing our hand.

In fact, the only time we've gone to any war without either being attacked, or being asked, is Iraq this latest time in Iraq. OH WAIT....Iraq violated the cease fire agreement of 1992 from when the UN asked us to put together a coalition to go in and defend Kuwait (a mission we could have ended by taking Baghdad but President Bush said no, because it went beyond the scope of what the UN asked us to do). So, yet again, someone else fucking up.

The Japanese got it right. They woke the sleeping giant. I'm sorry that you don't like us, Tenni. I'm not sorry, however, that we're quite simply better at this shit than anyone else. The sleeping giant never went to sleep. And while bolstering up our military, we also were called in to lose more lives than any other nation at the behest of the United Nations. I don't make light of anyone's sacrifice, but when you call us a war monger, you'd better be calling out the UN. They were the reason we were there most often. And why did they call us? Because we are better at it than anyone else, we have a sense of duty, and we are dependable to use the force needed, and not to keep the land for ourselves.

I'm also not sorry that we're better at politics than your nation (or anyone else's in the past 75 years). I won't apologize for exceptionalism. Sounds like sour grapes to me. I'll tell you what I tell my kids when they complain that their older brother beat them at basketball: If you want to win, you have to practice and get better.

I've said it before, and you have ignored it before, the US wields more power than any nation has ever had in the history of the world. The US wields that power more benevolently than any nation has ever done in the history of the world.

I don't necessarily agree with Beck. But I won't allow you to throw out your own propaganda and then complain about propaganda. On this board, you are just about the biggest propaganda slinger we have. That you then complain about it amazes me. For Christmas (yes, I will inflict a Christian holiday upon you, and even some consumerism) I want to get you a mirror.

Also, if you have to go back to 1812 for some high ground, you honestly have no leg to stand on. I don't care if you go to Iraq, or Afghanistan. I don't care if your nation sits it out completely. But, I do care when you then complain bitterly about the peace that we provide you. You, Tenni, are the Canadian version of a flag burner. I will support and defend your right to burn the very symbol of the freedom that allows you to burn it. But as I defend it, I will harbor a desire to see you wrapped up in that flag as it burns. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

Pasa

[ibop6]

Seriously? You're afraid of a TV pundit? Have you ever watched his show?

This isn't even about Beck in my eyes. . .it's about perspective. You're more afraid of a TV Pundit than of a set of people who've actually killed people.


http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/cat_FACEPALM.jpg

~logs off life~

*Taylor*

this.

[tenni]

Are we too far off the thread topic yet or are our thoughts connected to Beck?
We probably are off topic but...

Pasa
This thread is not exactly about American Exceptionalism...which you should frick'n stop but only pretend to. It may be though depending upon what Beck writes about returning to US honour etc. You have been "educated" well with regards to your points and seem to believe what you were taught. I'm not a historian and a quick google brought nothing up about the UN asking the US to enter South Vietnam. That was one mess to get to the bottom of though. The US certainly hasn't acted as a Peace Keeping force, as I understand them in Vietnam or Korea (our leader invented the term and method). Good ol yanks don't start fights...ya sure..sneaky back door stuff is more like it. Look into how Hawaii and Puerto Rico became under your control.... or the Panama situation. You will have a positive spin on it I'm sure. The removal of the democratically elected leader of Iran in the early fifties, the removal of South American democratically elected leader. "Yous" guys always have a rationale to explain your war mongering. It is so often under the guise that you were invited in. I believe you when you shut down hundreds of your little empire stations in other countries throughout the world. Beck is just smoothing out the BS with nonsense. There is quite the list going back more than one hundred years of the US war mongering in one form or other. Beck is just attempting to stop this approach of examining and changing the US ways. Too much may have been expected of Obama or maybe no one can really stop the US violence.

It is not that your leaders are better at politics although I believe that to some extent. It has more to do with power and how a large country like your own acts in overbearing ways with its neighbours and anyone else on this planet since your government considers it all in their backyard. You might argue that is the way power works. Not quite the saints that you think that you are though. The USA was only marginally better than the Soviets during that era. You can act in negotiations as if you are the good guys for your people while all the time making retaliatory threats economic or otherwise.

The reason that I go back to 1812 is that is the last time that anyone invaded Canada with military force. Who knows what would have happened to us both if the Nazis had won in Europe. Remember that we all did it as alies and the US didn't save Europe all by their lonesome...lol

Your reference to the UN is only used when it suits your country. The US constantly shuts down UN efforts behind closed doors. The US only does what it wants when it comes to the UN. It ignores it and does what it wants most of the time whether it was Vietnam or Iraq or Afghanistan. When was the last time that the US got approval for its actions in Afghanistan? When was the last UN motion passed stating to increase or decrease troop deployment as far the UN or NATO. NATO does what the US tells it to do basically..other than now withdraw from Aghanistan.

I see myself as more of a shoot down the Yankee BS. You seem not to have any idea it seems how you look to the rest of us. Some US posters do. Why should I remain quiet when a Yank shoot BS about your mythology? The US does not deal with its power in a benevolent way as much as you think and perhaps more than I think..dunno. It has a purpose for whatever it does and that is connected to gaining more power, natural resources etc. It uses good to hide its evil better than any other country in recent times. It seems to be all about spin these days doncha think?...Beck is just good at creating spin and emotional control over people. Apparently, his 33 million last year was earned the least by his TV show. He earned more speaking than that...lol

Good to have you back Pasa though..as long as we don't irritate each other that much...;)

[darkeyes]

Tenni,

We were forced into both World Wars. We were asked by the UN to go to Korea. France made Vietnam the nightmare that it was, and the UN asked us to go clean up their mess. Lybia attacked us first, and the Central American issues were all matters of them forcing our hand.

In fact, the only time we've gone to any war without either being attacked, or being asked, is Iraq this latest time in Iraq. OH WAIT....Iraq violated the cease fire agreement of 1992 from when the UN asked us to put together a coalition to go in and defend Kuwait (a mission we could have ended by taking Baghdad but President Bush said no, because it went beyond the scope of what the UN asked us to do). So, yet again, someone else fucking up.

The Japanese got it right. They woke the sleeping giant. I'm sorry that you don't like us, Tenni. I'm not sorry, however, that we're quite simply better at this shit than anyone else. The sleeping giant never went to sleep. And while bolstering up our military, we also were called in to lose more lives than any other nation at the behest of the United Nations. I don't make light of anyone's sacrifice, but when you call us a war monger, you'd better be calling out the UN. They were the reason we were there most often. And why did they call us? Because we are better at it than anyone else, we have a sense of duty, and we are dependable to use the force needed, and not to keep the land for ourselves.

I'm also not sorry that we're better at politics than your nation (or anyone else's in the past 75 years). I won't apologize for exceptionalism. Sounds like sour grapes to me. I'll tell you what I tell my kids when they complain that their older brother beat them at basketball: If you want to win, you have to practice and get better.

I've said it before, and you have ignored it before, the US wields more power than any nation has ever had in the history of the world. The US wields that power more benevolently than any nation has ever done in the history of the world.

I don't necessarily agree with Beck. But I won't allow you to throw out your own propaganda and then complain about propaganda. On this board, you are just about the biggest propaganda slinger we have. That you then complain about it amazes me. For Christmas (yes, I will inflict a Christian holiday upon you, and even some consumerism) I want to get you a mirror.

Also, if you have to go back to 1812 for some high ground, you honestly have no leg to stand on. I don't care if you go to Iraq, or Afghanistan. I don't care if your nation sits it out completely. But, I do care when you then complain bitterly about the peace that we provide you. You, Tenni, are the Canadian version of a flag burner. I will support and defend your right to burn the very symbol of the freedom that allows you to burn it. But as I defend it, I will harbor a desire to see you wrapped up in that flag as it burns. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

Pasa

There is much wrong with your version of history here Pasa.. but I will correct but one little teensy weensy point... at no time did the UN ask the United States to go into Vietnam "to clear up the French mess"... that they did all of their own accord for reasons of their own.... the UN has in fact remarkably rarely requested military action be taken other than for peacekeeping purposes, Korea and the 1st Iraq war being the two outstanding examples of where it (at the behest of the US) did agree to call on member nations to aid against wars of aggression.. American military adventures abroad have invariably been for their own reasons without any sanction from the United Nations.. as indeed have the military adventures of a whole host of nations...including my own...

[Pasadenacpl2]

1. I didn't say we were 100% benevolent. I said that no nation has ever wielded so much power so benevolently. Reading comprehension is your friend. OF COURSE we do it with our own interests as well. Duh.

2. I'm fairly sick of you saying that because I live here that I am incapable of knowing what is what because I've been brainwashed. Even if I agreed with the basic premise (that anyone living here must be brainwashed), what nations outside of Canada have you visited or lived in, Tenni? And how far abroad did you travel in your formative years. I'm betting that you haven't strayed too far from Canada. A trip to NY, perhaps. I'm further betting my resume of living and traveling the world exceeds your own exponentially.

3. US exceptionalism IS what it's about. It's what it is ALWAYS about. And it's about a fed that wants to create a populace dependant upon the government, rather than being exceptional on it's own merits. It has almost nothing to do with anything you tried to sling about as propaganda.

4. You have just called my nation evil. We're done here.

Pasa

[littlerayofsunshine]

*brain hurts just as much as it did in high school*

sends a gentle reminder that every one should put what tenni says in quotes because he happens to go back in and edit up until the end of time allowed on a post, there for nullifying half of what is in response to him.

*Goes a takes a couple of aspirin and continues on to actually go and help people, mumbles something about how there are no winners in 'right fighting'*

[tenni]

Not exactly Lil ray...

it is correcting my sentences and clarifying my ideas and I call it editing. I'm a slow editor...give me five to ten minutes after posting. Yes, sometimes I do take the max time to clarify. I do not care if you copy and put quotes on what I wrote though. I may sometimes add a comment true but I usually do not see any post after mine.

Post script
I just saw Pasa's recent post now...haven't read it yet..though...

[littlerayofsunshine]

Not exactly Lil ray...

it is correcting my sentences and clarifying my ideas and I call it editing. I'm a slow editor...give me five to ten minutes after posting. Yes, sometimes I do take the max time to clarify. I do not care if you copy and put quotes on what I wrote though. I may sometimes add a comment true but I usually do not see any post after mine.

Post script
I just saw Pasa's recent post now...haven't read it yet..though...

*winks*

[Hephaestion]

There is much wrong with your version of history here Pasa.. but I will correct but one little teensy weensy point... at no time did the UN ask the United States to go into Vietnam "to clear up the French mess"... that they did all of their own accord for reasons of their own.... the UN has in fact remarkably rarely requested military action be taken other than for peacekeeping purposes, Korea and the 1st Iraq war being the two outstanding examples of where it (at the behest of the US) did agree to call on member nations to aid against wars of aggression.. American military adventures abroad have invariably been for their own reasons without any sanction from the United Nations.. as indeed have the military adventures of a whole host of nations...including my own...

It is possible to go a little further with the VietNam war and the UN. The UN recognized North VietNam as the legitimate regime pursuing independance and not that of the South. Also, it was the French that pursuaded the USA to enter so as support them (fellow whites) as the colonial power (French Indo China).

HoChiMin had a pearl handled hand gun given to him as a present by Douglas McArthur as recognition of supporting the US in the fight against the Japanese. In empathy North VietNam adopted part of the USA Constitution as their own and expected the USA to support them in their pursuit of independence.

[void()]

I find big band jazz from the 1920's helps. You can look up a free Internet radio station that uses the call sign WHRO. Been listening to them today. Think they are out of Chesapeake, VA.. Good tunes. :)

Never ceases to amaze me the embarrassment garnered by simply being. Yes, I can accept & shoulder a fair share. There is also great deal I am not accountable for yet offer humble apologies nonetheless. We should all be grateful of our blessings and sorrowful of our misgivings.

Well, back to listening to jazz. May chat briefly.

[H0wardmoon]

You're forgetting about the DC Muslim Snipers John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo.

Seriously? John Allen Muhmmad was a member of the NAtion Of Islam. They are an offshoot group that has very little to do with mainstream Islam. John Allen Muhammad was essentially a form of serial killer, with Malvo (who I believe was not Muslim of any stripe) as his accomplice. They were certainly not part of any organized Jihad.


You're wrong anyone who commits acts of terror and violence are seen and convicted as terroritsts. See the cases of the Unabomber--Ted Kaczynski who was white and not Christian, The Weathermen/Weather Underground, and Timothy McVeigh.

Again missing my point. There have been plenty examples of terrorism by non-Muslims in past 10 years, however, they are often glossed over by people who want to keep up the fiction that "only Muslims commit terrorism.



People who are not Muslim who do these henious things are just a very small minority compared to extremist moslems who are practicing a violent religion.


Actually, the most active terrorist organization in the world is the Tamil Tigers, who are nationalist but not religious (and definitely not Muslim)

Muslim terrorists are tiny minority of the billion Muslims in the world, most of whom are law-abiding citizens. There is nothing inherently "violent" about Islam, when compared to any other religion.

The point is that terrorism is usually committed by people who feel that they cannot get their way through other means, not those in positions of power. The Christian Right wields a lot of power, and that is why they are more dangerous.

Here's what I don't understand: the most alarmist theories about radical Islam state that Muslims plan to take over the Western world. How does terrorism accomplish this? The U.S. still has one of the largest armed forces in the world, and one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world. There is simply no way "Islam" could take over. It's simply not possible.

[Jack_Daddy]

You know... you guys are so full of yourself. I think you peddle this tripe just to see your name on a blog. Beck is as anti-gay/anti-black/anti-Mexican as you are. If he is such a homo-phobe, such a bigot... why don't you just prove it. Show me the proof ding-dong.... where's the beef. You bleeding-heart liberals are nothing more than gas-bags farting in the wind. Just prove the man is a bigot. The simple fact remains... you can't, because he isn't.

As for white supremacists... please. You liberals are the only boneheads stinking up the site. Why don't you guys take a hike over to Media Matters or stop by your Uncle George Soros and pick-up some fresh talking points. These old liberal lines just don't cut it any more. The fact is... you're all out numbered... and soon, you and your socialist radicals and that community organizer of a President is going to be voted out of office. You can go relive the glory days of your youth and plant bombs with your buddy Bill Ayers. You're all washed-up has beens, and there isn't a single red-blooded, loyal American whose going to miss you when you're gone.


beck is the voice and mindthink of the anti gay/black/mexican/muslim, ect... morons that hope to change the country "for the better"

aka only for the straight, god fearing, white supremists

its really to bad he didn't fall down those steps today and put himself out of our misery,

[littlerayofsunshine]

Awww why all the venom :( Makes me sad. How can someone be so upset over beer? I thought beer brought people together.

Time to take my liberty and go online and do my porn, Porn knows no boundaries-ish......

Someone will have to bring the beer, I'm all out.

[H0wardmoon]

You know... you guys are so full of yourself. I think you peddle this tripe just to see your name on a blog. Beck is as anti-gay/anti-black/anti-Mexican as you are. If he is such a homo-phobe, such a bigot... why don't you just prove it. Show me the proof ding-dong.... where's the beef. You bleeding-heart liberals are nothing more than gas-bags farting in the wind. Just prove the man is a bigot. The simple fact remains... you can't, because he isn't.


Well, you probably won't accept this, because it quotes Media Matters, but here goes....

http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/glenn-becks-demagoguery-right-wing-extremism-and-racism/

http://www.theglennbeckprogram.com/glenn-beck-quotes.php

Anyway, don't say we didn't warn you.

[niftyshellshock]

Pasadena, I'll agree with you on most counts, but the Central American business was -not- started by the Central Americans.

Anyho, I'm with H0ward.

[darkeyes]

1. I didn't say we were 100% benevolent. I said that no nation has ever wielded so much power so benevolently. Reading comprehension is your friend. OF COURSE we do it with our own interests as well. Duh.

2. I'm fairly sick of you saying that because I live here that I am incapable of knowing what is what because I've been brainwashed. Even if I agreed with the basic premise (that anyone living here must be brainwashed), what nations outside of Canada have you visited or lived in, Tenni? And how far abroad did you travel in your formative years. I'm betting that you haven't strayed too far from Canada. A trip to NY, perhaps. I'm further betting my resume of living and traveling the world exceeds your own exponentially.

3. US exceptionalism IS what it's about. It's what it is ALWAYS about. And it's about a fed that wants to create a populace dependant upon the government, rather than being exceptional on it's own merits. It has almost nothing to do with anything you tried to sling about as propaganda.

4. You have just called my nation evil. We're done here.

Pasa

Populations are always dependant on their Government.. they are also dependant on each other as human beings for the good and prosperity of people and state. Government is dependant on people.. it is this interdependancy of people and state which is inevitable in the modern world. It is a fallacy to believe it is possible for human organisation to be otherwise.. from the earliest gatherings of human beings their was an interdependancy from the head of family groups, to tribes, city states through to modern nation states, and now with multinational organisations such as the EU, and horror of horrors the UN. It can be argued that there may be overdependancy.. but dependancy there shall always be for without it human organisation ceases to exist and humanity would perish on the vine... we are social animals.. and being social animals we need each other to propser..

..and Tenni did not call the US evil, Pasa... that the US does many evil things is unquestionable.. all nations have done and will do evil things.. human beings as individuals have done things which will be considered evil.. we are all flawed as human beings and nations, being made up of flawed human beings do many dreadful things which can quite rightly be considered evil... and things done for good or bad by nations are decided upon by Governments not the populace as a whole.. once again you fall into the trap of considering an attack on the policies of your government as an attack on the US people... certainly populations often support evil acts by their governments, but that does not in itself make a population evil... yet even within those populations there is always dissent...

..whatever you believe, Tenni is right in this.. for good or bad, Governments of all nations do things for their own purposes.. the US, in common with every other nation across the globe, has been responsible for many malevolent and benovolent acts... all are done for a reason.. and regarding benevolence in particular, the vast majority are done for a reason other than simply goodness of heart..

[IanBorthwick]

I'm totally fascinated by the phenomena that effects all you liberals. It's so... predictable, yet still interesting to watch. As sure as the sun will rise tomorrow morning, it is impossible for liberals to calmly and dispassionately discuss ANYTHING of a political nature. A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G!!!


Sorry, but this is stupidity. The entire farcical post is stupidity. We can't discuss what worries us and you are defending a right wing loon that talks...nay SCREAMS on his shows who to SHOOT IN THE HEAD, who to BASH THEIR HEADS In and who deserves to be DEAD because HE THINKS HE'S RIGHT, and you're telling us we can't calmly discuss?

I recommend medication...and if you are ON meds, double it because you can still get to the keyboard to type the schlock you did type when you're in a fit.

[Hephaestion]

Well, you probably won't accept this, because it quotes Media Matters, but here goes....

http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/09/glenn-becks-demagoguery-right-wing-extremism-and-racism/

http://www.theglennbeckprogram.com/glenn-beck-quotes.php

Anyway, don't say we didn't warn you.

Interesting links. The 1st one also includes a mention of J.R.McCarthy.

About a month ago in the UK, we had a news item that under the release of 'previously secret information' (there is terminology for this but it escapes me currently) there was justification for his witch hunts. The release said that the USA was heavily penetrated with Soviet secret agents and that hunting them down was essential. The claim is that there really were Reds under the bed.

One R.Nixon was painted in a more favourable light in that in his attempt to be open and record his presidency in detail, he unwittingly sowed the seeds of his own downfall - more so when he did nothing to destroy the evidence when all around him the cover ups were in full swing.

The trouble with releasing such information at such a late stage and after incidents over the years where information has been known to have been doctored (we know the simple events of political spin doctors) there has been sufficient time to change emphasis. It is interesting that history is frequently rewritten through the film industry and in popular literature. The trouble being that people believe what is being presented.

Maybe Mr Glenn Becks is doing everyone a favour by being forthright with his prejudices as these document the antagonisms of the day; a bit like Lord HawHaw in WW2?

[darkeyes]

Sorry, but this is stupidity. The entire farcical post is stupidity. We can't discuss what worries us and you are defending a right wing loon that talks...nay SCREAMS on his shows who to SHOOT IN THE HEAD, who to BASH THEIR HEADS In and who deserves to be DEAD because HE THINKS HE'S RIGHT, and you're telling us we can't calmly discuss?

I recommend medication...and if you are ON meds, double it because you can still get to the keyboard to type the schlock you did type when you're in a fit.

I have refrained with great difficulty from ranting, Ian. Sometimes with the hysterical claptrap we get from some people I have to write a rant to get it out of my system and allow my more reasonable side to take control..
but in this I have to agree with you absolutely.. the freaky right of America is scary and is much more a danger to the constitutional and legal rights and freedoms of Americans than anyone else... it is a much more dangerous threat to world peace than anyone else.. and to gay, bisexual and transgendered people, to non whites, even non american born whites... it is a threat which anyone who has half a brain and eyes which work can see it is an immense danger.. and to Christian America, much of which supports this freak show, it has its own dangers for it would not be too long before it got down to deciding which brand of that religion was acceptable and which was not.. constitutional and legal rights or not...

To Taylor I say no we are not afraid of a few Christians.. but far more than any Muslim threat to America or the west, the politics and influence of the Christian right of your country and its allies and fellow travellers threaten us all across the planet in its nastiness, intolerance and downright authoritarian dogmatism.. and of that we are right to be wary.. thankfully as yet.. not nearly all of the people of the United States have swallowed its bile..