I'm uncircumcized and thankful. The head of my dick is more sensitive and my wife loves to tongue inside the foreskin. Also,uncircumcised in a nudist resort is like being a celebrity.
I'm uncircumcized and thankful. The head of my dick is more sensitive and my wife loves to tongue inside the foreskin. Also,uncircumcised in a nudist resort is like being a celebrity.
I've seen white racism (whites hating others). I've seen black racism (blacks hating others). I've seen Jewish racism (Jews hating others).Originally Posted by jamieknyc
Even the blacks with the predominant anti-gay epithet have recently abated (black groups have separated from NAACP due to change in moral and official policy toward gays).
Jamie is playing the (completely invalid) race card again... and I would not be surprised if Jamie was also "Effectively Deleted".
Jamie, yours and "Effectively Deleted"'s posts and positions superimpose Zionist racism over ethics/morality.
Jamie, and "Effectively Deleted"....
why does God want you to sexually mutilate babies?
So you don't have to throw them in the fire to their death anymore?
While we humans are omnivores, it is truly morally regrettable that we must raise and kill many animals to feed ourselves.
does your race still kill multitudes of little animals to please God?
Faith is one thing. Harming yourself in the name of faith... okay... we all should lend some space here, as an adult choice for self.
Harming others in the name of your faith... that crosses (blunders/blobs across) a morality line.
Do you see that line? Are you too racist to acknowledge it?
Early USA deemed the black race too evolutionary backwards to be citizens, therefore slavery was okay. Morality override.
Early North American conquest saw the heathens as too backwards, so it was okay to kill them and take their land (and gold). Morality override.
History is replete with morality overrides.
So to preach ignorance in the name of religion... is okay... if you want to teach your children that Earth is the center of the solar system and the universe, the earth is flat, people not of our religion are dogs (gentiles). Fine.
But to mutilate a child's penis, vagina, breasts... especially the sexual parts of the body... but also don't chop off toes, fingers. Don't harm eyes or perform lobotomies... etc.
Don't do these things. They are wrong.
If they were easily and painlessly completely reversible upon reaching adulthood... then maybe...
But that's not the case. That is totally not the case.
Your claim of racism only proves your position is racist. And thus your support of child mutilation is defined by your words as a racist gesture.
Last edited by ghost_of_bluebiyou; Nov 29, 2013 at 12:51 AM.
Since when is being either Jewish or Muslim a "race"? Only someone who is racist, a nazi, white power/white pride type, Zionist, Fundamentalist Muslim, Orthodox Jew, or white supremacist would claim that being Jewish or Muslim is an actual "race".How is Circumcision or male genital mutilation a racial characteristic you're born with when an infant boy is mutilated after birth, or at a young age?
I'm sure you comprehended the writing. That means you understand I am not in disagreement with you.
Merely, I think other ways exist aside from berating others, no matter how backward the views they
hold seem. As to what other ways?
Not exactly sure. But I do know I'm not, judge, jury, executioner. Have doubts many could say they are,
having clear conscious along with saying it. And it was likely John Stuart Mill quoted by Charles Frederic Aked whom
first coined the apothegm you cite with reverence. [ http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/12/04/good-men-do/ ]
Not that I suppose it to be of great importance, only a bit trivial bibliographic whimsy.
true.
No one has a right to cut off another person's body part without their consent.
a person should be deleted because of their opinions??? or what they believe??
While the original post looks to be somewhat dated, i believe this ban would have been geared more towards the tendancy of some muslims wish to have their daughters circumcized. I believe circumcision is wrong and I challenge anyone to make an honest case how it is not genital mutilation of children whether male or female.
The late rhetoritician, journalist and author Christopher Hitchens puts it much better than I ever can:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq_gmiJtJLA
Well said. I will watch the video later.
OK I watched the video it's pretty good. Thanks for posting it.
Hi Dark. Long time, no see; I miss you; you were so amusing & entertaining. As for the topic, I was born in post WW2 Germany. My grandfather was religious & persecuted by the nazis for refusing to salute Hitler; grandmother was brutally punched in the face. "Me spunky 'lil Mum was jailed for calling a German policeman a " nazi pig!" I will love you forever for how you brightened up my life. In the end, love is all that matters; see ya in eternity!
FIRE IN THE BELLY
Zionist racism? What on earth does Israel have to do with this? Unless, you mean, "I hate Jews" Zionism. Zionism in definition is Israeli nationalism. Israel wasn't brought up once here, sir. If you want to criticize it correctly, you have to drop the codewords and say "Jew"-Zionism, contextually, makes zero sense here, and you yourself are the reason people never buy the "Not anti-Semitic, anti-Zionist" attitude-because you prove how close the two are.
Again, saying "Zionist racism" makes zero sense in this discussion. That fails to explain the original event, Muslim circumcision.
And with that you state that, the only way to prevent this sort of racism is Jewish and Muslim liquidation. Got it. Kill the Jews and Muslims, or force all babies away from their parents and let the religion die out through genocide that way. This is your final solution.
Wow. Uh...have you ever been to a circumcision? Rabbis sucking blood out of a child's penis? I've gone pretty religious bris'es. I haven't been happy about going. But that did NOT happen. Go back to reading David Duke. That is almost blood libel.
I'm glad that anti-circ people are going to ignore these two comments to justify their positions. Because, you know, these types of people aren't the type feared by Jews and Muslims. Sure. Just believe in people saying similar arguments in similar tone as these people and everything will work out alright in the end!
...What's so hard to understand about my argument about lack of trust and racism here? Do I need to give you more proof? Rabbis are pedophiles who are also committing illegal acts?
I have a circumcision. Guess what? I have uncircumcised friends who chafe just as easily. Guess what? I don't need lube when I masturbate. Some of my circumcised friends do.
Turns out, your personal experience MIGHT be you having individual problems feeling insecure about your dick. Or it could be related to circumcision. You were circumcised in a hospital setting and have a range of problems I don't have, and as a result deem people of a different religion pedophiles. I would suggest you see a psychiatrist, and consider foreskin restoration: It might not supply the sensitivity, but if you're right, it would stop the chafing and hardening of the skin, no? Oh, and I thought you were a partnered bi woman in a relationship with another woman. Someone's lying here.
And I'm sick and tired of this argument that I could somehow experience more sexual pleasure. I get sensory overload at times as is from a really good blowjob. I couldn't experience more sexual pleasure without collapsing and having a seizure or heart attack. So knock off this bull about how I'll never enjoy an orgasm. I can, I have, I will. Seriously, you should have MY penis, as you clearly don't know what you're missing by your logic!
Oh, and everyone should smoke crack before sex. Enhance your pleasure!
And take heroin.
Because an orgasm that isn't as good as someone else's for whatever reason SHOULD NOT EXIST.
Last edited by jimdawg; Dec 15, 2013 at 8:14 AM.
I agree with this post. As someone who is cut who has been with 100s of men most of who were cut circumcision does reduce sexual pleasure for men, and their partners. There's foreskin restoration which stretches out the remaining penile tissue and you don't get an actual foreskin or the large number of lost nerve endings back but you do regain some sensitivity that you've lost because of being cut. Yes during religious circumcisions or genital mutilations certain rabbis will suck the blood out of an infant boy.A New York City infant contracted herpes last month as a result of an Orthodox Jewish procedure known as metzitzah b'peh (MBP) that involves orally sucking the blood off a newborn's penis after circumcision, according to the city's Department of Health and Mental Hygiene (DOHMH). The news, which came in an April 3 email alert from the New York City Bureau of Sexually Transmitted Disease Control, marks the 13th such case in New York City since 2000. Two of those infants died (including one last year), and two others have suffered brain damage as a result, according to a department alert from January.Circumcision of a penis is genital mutilation and it detracts or takes away the natural astheticism of a penis the way it is supposed to be, and when it's done on an infant or young boy it's done without consent and just as bad as female circumcision. Also there are health issues associated with circumcision such as how if a man is cut he is a lot more likely to have erectile dysfunction, not to mention how circumcision makes a man's penis dry, less sensitive, smaller in length and circumference, and a lot of nerve endings are removed. I guess the term I'd say that a cut penis is that it's lacking something major which is a completely whole foreskin. I have seen some men who had half of their foreskin taken off and the rest left on but it begs the question why do anything to it at all in the first place? I feel bad for cut men since they have a penis that's far less sensitive than those of us who are in the majority and have a foreskin. When I have been single I did not refuse men who were cut but I felt bad for them since they didn't have a choice and their genitals were mutilated. Men should make this decision on their own bodies themselves, not have it made for them when they're an infant. I have met a lot of men who are cut who have told me how they are not happy with being cut and how they wished they'd been left intact instead of getting their foreskin literally ripped off which is what happens during a circumcision. Yes you can see the scar from genital mutilation on all circumcised men, and you can tell that the penis is not supposed to be that way. You do not have to be promiscuous, a "slut", or have had lots of male sexual partners in order to tell this. Or as I once wrote before, "Having sex with a guy that's cut is like having sex with a woman who is missing her clitoral hood and who has mutilated labia" as both female and male circumcision are equally as barbaric and are both mutilating someone's genitals. A circumcision scar represents conformity, abuse, genital mutilation, and in some cases pointless religious dogma. It's 2013 there's no need to mutilate anyone's genitals. Eventually the practice of mutilating a infant or boy's genitals will die off and become illegal, since worldwide most men are intact, have no issues with having an intact penis with a foreskin, and there are even Jews and Muslims who are not blinded by religious dogma who are against doing this to their sons. I found this image and it shows just what exactly is lost and just how majorly desensitized a penis is when it's cut or mutilated during a circumcision. This is a graphic that shows how severely less sensitive a cut penis is compared to an intact penis. It also references a study.
Genital mutlation of a boy or girl for religious reasons is stupid. Yeah like God or the creator is going to say, "Welcome to the world! Now it's time to have part of your penis or vagina ripped off and mutilated!"
You've clearly never witnessed a circumcision
I have. The infants scream bloody murder and actually pass out from the shock of getting their penis mutilated. I've seen it in person and in video you can easily find online.
The stupidest thing I haver ever done was to get circumcised when I was a sophomore in college.
I had just joined a fraternity. All "Proper" gentleman were circumcised. It meant you came from a "good" family.
The pressure I got from the guys was bearable, but when I started dating a sorority girl I could not handle it. She very much wanted me to be cut. The word spread quickly and soon all her sorority sisters were telling me that I must have it done, I will reap the benefits. They said I had all the makings of a clean-cut, all American boy next door except for my foreskin. They said they actually felt embarrasment of me and for me.
So under much fan-fair, I went to the university clinic and had it done.
I shall tell you this, it sucked, and it really hurt. I guess I had to "be a man" and just not complain.
Here is the absolute irony:
I had it done near the end of the spring semester. I could not have sex due to it healing. My girlfriend went home to her family 3,000 miles away. I never actually saw her again.
Can you believe this shit? Talk about a fucking moron...yeah that's me.
And I can only blame myself.
So coming from an adult who rembers clearly "before" and "after".... "before" was so much better. Anyone that tells you otherwise either had a medical condition or has an agenda.
Last edited by James1A1; Dec 25, 2013 at 4:40 PM. Reason: add comment
I like being cut. I think uncut dicks are ugly and one of the things I look for in a guy is a cut dick. Cut dicks are cleaner, smell better, resist STDs better including HIV (the foreskin provides easy entrance to HIV), and HPV and Syphilis, reduce cancer risk, basically eliminate pathogens growing on your dick like candida albicans and associated balanoposthitis and look better. Most women I've ever asked about it feel similarly to me. Head is plenty sensitive too. If I wasn't cut now, I get it done tomorrow.
Last edited by tensy; Dec 25, 2013 at 6:22 PM.
1. As long as proper hygiene is practiced this should not be a problem. Most men shower everday, so as long as it is cleaned daily, this is not an issue.
2. Evidence for this is still not great, and besides, we should be teaching our children about responsible use of condoms in order to truly mitigate these factors. Plenty of circumcized men have caught and proliferated these infections for centuries. These are also factors people use to justify female circumcision; do you believe that parents should chop off the labia and clitoris of their daughters' because doing so might prevent future infections?
3. Never heard this one before. Sounds dubious to me; Do you have a legimitate source to provide for this? Again, even if true, should we give masectomies to children because it will reduce their risk of breast cancer later in life? Should we pre-emptively have the appendix removed from a child because it could develop appendicitis in the future?
4. Subjective opinion, which you are validating through the fallacies of confirmation basis and communal reinforcement.
5. See point 4; if the women you talk to came from a generation/society where almost all men we not circumcized, the would probably think your penis looked goofy.
6. Depending on the type of circumcision performed in your infancy, you can still have reasonable sensitivity. The chart posted above shows what happens to the penis when the "full covenant with god" is made. The whole point there is being to numb the male sexual experience. I presume your circumcision was not the full cut. At any rate I am assuming the procedure was performed without your consent shortly after your birth, so it is difficult for you to glean lost sensitivity having never experienced it, except for the pain you experienced as an infant when the skins was cut from your person (which fortunately you almost certainly have no memory of).
Finally, none of your points are sufficient to justify a person taking a sharp implement, cutting off and multilating a portion of a child's genitalia, causing extreme pain and suffering to a defenseless little child.
Even if points 2 and 3 may be true, this still does not justify performing this procedure without consent. If an uncircumcized individual grows up to a consenting age and feels the need to cut their foreskin off, then by all means let them make that choice for themselves.
Wikipedia has info and links to sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision
It's often done for religious reasons. It just also happens to be a smart thing to do in that it yields a healthier and better looking cock.
Personally, I think a lot of the anti-circumcision people sound like nutjobs who are avoiding issues in their lives with their obsession. Circumcision has many benefits. I doubt there is anyway my dick could be more sensitive than it is... I don't think I would like it if it were any more sensitive. It's already very sensitive. Numb dick? Pure insanity. Even that posted thing "we always win" sounds loony tunes. Look, number one, uncut dicks look like aliens. They look like animal dicks. They are ugly to most people. Many polls show this. G is your friend. They get nasty fast and require a clean person to not become like this. They have increased risk of catching aids and other disease. Keep your uncut dicks and don't worry about others. If people want to circumsize their kid for religious purposes or health purposes, they should and do have that right. Mutiliation? NO, a better looking, way healthier tool that is still plenty enough sensitive. Thanks.
That's crazy. First of all, the things you list are not benefits. The scar is small and looks better than that anteater look. Studies show circumcized men report no loss of sensitivity or dissatisfaction in their sex lives. If you are numb down there or suffering from impotence, you need to look at circulation or psychological issues. Dry penis? Sounds like you should have that checked cause I'm cut and it doesn't happen. Genital mutilation? You are equating the removal of skin associated with health problems with clit removal. This is so non equivalent that it is laughable. Lastly, you're just flat out wrong as there are known benefits, and some very big ones, with circumcision.
Aside from the fact they look gross and do get nasty quickly without specific cleansing attention, here are some of the reasons pediatricians have decided definitively that circumcision is the better choice, religious beliefs aside:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012...cised-than-not
Just some of the benefits
Circumcised males are far less likely to get infected with a long list of sexually transmitted diseases.
90% less UTIs
Hetero HIV infection drops 60%
Reduction of HPV spread to wives and girlfriend lessening their cervical cancer risk
Reduced penile cancer
Last edited by tensy; Dec 25, 2013 at 8:16 PM.
Well my experience has been different. The few times I was with uncut guys long ago their dicks had an off yeasty smell, and the guys otherwise seemed to be reasonably clean. For me, I don't like the smell or the look. My cut dick works fine. It's plenty sensitive. I like the way it looks. There are no pockets where candida and other pathogens can grow. I can miss a shower or even two (not something I do often) and not have stink dick. I love the way the head looks, all straight up and regal looking. And if it also offers me some protection against HIV and other STDs, UTIs etc, well then that is an awesome bonus in my view.
Last edited by tensy; Dec 25, 2013 at 8:34 PM.
This is the worst reason. Do you believe that some muslim parents should have the "right" to hack off their daughters' labia and clitoris?
Uncircumcized penises are plenty healthy with proper hygiene. By your reasoning we ought to pull out peoples' teeth, since some people don't practice proper hygiene and therefore have disgusting mouths.
I'm talking about circumcision here, which is nothing at all like hacking off a clitoris.
Uncut dicks are not healthy if they allow you to catch HIV when a cut one would have stopped it at the head.
Last edited by tensy; Dec 25, 2013 at 8:39 PM.
You still have not demonstrated valid reasons to subject children to this painful and sexually stunting procedure other than the fatuous "religious grounds". The bible covenants that we should stone adulterers, yet we seem to be doing just fine ( and much better) without this barbaric practice.
and I fel strongly about this because I exquate it to exactly what it is: the physical abuse and mutilation of a child. Another point your arguments fail to address.
The reason to do it is to prevent disease. This is why american pediatricians recommend it. End of story.
On a purely religious point (seeing as it's Christmas.
That is often an argument put forth by evolutionists who are anti-designer, and only gives more credibility to the belief that there is no God.
What an odd thing to keep going for religious reasons.
Dealing with your argument for aesthetics (which is totally subjective anyhow): You have mades your personal preference very clear, and that is fine; however your own personal preference should never determine the right of an individual to be subjected to this procedure without their consent. Your personal preference does not serve as justification for the non-consentual mutilation of the genitalia.
On a side note, with most uncircumcized penises of adults, the foreskin draws back almost completely when a full erection occurs, so in your case, this is how you would usually encounter such a penis i would think?
Seond side note, while I would not know from comparative personal experience, it sure seems easier (and more pleasurable) for me to masturbate (particularly in a no lube situation) than circumcized counter parts.
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