LOL!!! dude, I think you're a chick. You really don't have a clue.Originally Posted by QueerandLoathing
Get out and meet more men.
Of course you are from the generation of sexually repressed men who did not even admit that they masturbated let alone were something other than heterosexual to their male friends and peers, and this attitude even carries over into today.
What? How old are you?
I wrote that "straight" men do not discuss their dick amongst their friends. They will discuss it with their girlfriend wife before a male straight buddy. They may not even know if their buddies are cut or uncut, unless they have seen each other naked in the locker room. Why would they discuss it? Masturbate? Guys over 30 who are married will not discuss it with other straight guys unless they are a bit drunk and not getting any from their wife.
* waits for comment about how QL has so many straight buddies who are married who talk to him constantly about their dick and masturbating
Get out and meet more men.
Of course you are from the generation of sexually repressed men who did not even admit that they masturbated let alone were something other than heterosexual to their male friends and peers, and this attitude even carries over into today.
LMFAO!
* waits for comment about how QL has so many straight buddies who are married who talk to him constantly about their dick and masturbating
More kudos here.
Sorry Franny, you're on our ignore list as are all the "fake" handles on this thread.
As for the "side note", we listed the "fake" handles in an earlier post on this thread.
How does it feel to be talking to a brick wall?
Shy, Fran is awesome. She gets a mite aggressive at times but at least she doesn't cast insults to prove her point.
You've hit the nail on the head. Medicine is all about profit margins. Pharmaceuticals keep making money as long as they keeep the population sick and in ill health. Isn't this what we should be fighting? Not each other over a piece of skin on our cocks? Well, it may be more than that, but nothing is more important than banding together en masse and stopping the disease care system that is rampant among us because the pharmaceuticals and agri-business supposedly know what's best for us and we know jack-shit.
Just think, years from now, our species will be extinct because we were too stupid to get our priorities straight and we were too busy fighting amongst each other. And we thought good always won out over evil.
Kudos also to tenni and TwylaTwobits.
I do have to agree. It is very easy to agree with Fran, and it is also very easy to disagree, but she is still a great person who I believe would never be mean spirited or malicious to anyone.
Luff you Fran :-)
Like u an all Pasa.. rude? can b sumtimes.. this time?? not reelly..exasperated mayb.. an tetchy.. me tries 2 reason wiv peeps but sumtimes reason dusn always work.. not that we can expect it always 2.. but for life a me jus cant undastand wy peeps r so determined 2 take decisions outa the hands a ther kids..they becum adults an responsible 2 ya kno.. an its bout time peeps sat back an accepted that ther sum things ya shudn take away from ya kids.. an parta ther mos personal bits for reasons otha than pressin medical need is 1a them.. yas deprivin THEM a choice wen they old ebnuff 2 make it...
..hav in anotha thread ansad the german speakin bit ...do a lil checkin pasa.. cos woot u sez is an arrogance in itsel..
.. an course wen me c's ( or thinks me c's) summat wrong wiv ne wer me will say so an say how me thinks they shud b.. u think me concentrates on the US? On this site mayb cos mosta wot is discussed seems 2 b 'merican issues cos most membas r 'merican.... u oughta 'ear wot me sez bout me own country.. now thers summaat 2 conjure wiv..
Do not think so little of me as to grant me your tolerance. Allow me your acceptance and understanding of who and what I am with the love, respect and dignity with which I do you.
Awwwwww God ya don haff give me red face... *blush*
Luff u lot an all.. moren ya kno..even cheeky sods like Pasa who hav temerity 2 argify wiv me.. tee hee..
Now we hav big party goin on 'ere an wile me luffs ya oodles an oodles.. me promised me m8 a dance an its ovadue.. muaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!
Dus luff ya.. reelly..
Do not think so little of me as to grant me your tolerance. Allow me your acceptance and understanding of who and what I am with the love, respect and dignity with which I do you.
This niggled a wee bit.. bein thot of as a troll or fake.. wy? No justification.. its ok in a sense.. am not angry.. but cos I differ from u about summat that means a great deal 2 me I becum a "fake" or a troll.. peeps can iggy me all they like.. wudn b the 1st an no doubt won b the last time..
...but its sad.. its sad cos it says that peeps only wanna hear ther side's case.. they don wanna lissen 2 the otha.. they don like home truths.. an for alla me faults.. the 1 thing me has always encouraged is peeps takin issue wiv every word me has eva written.. thats wot freedom a speech means.. thats wot democracy an freedom a expression is 'bout..
.. hav been a memba a this site almos since its incepotion an used 2 frequent its predecessor from time 2 time.. an hav luffed it..an hav luffed..an do luff so many wondaful amazin peeps.. lotsa whom me has fell out wiv verbally at 1 time or totha..fell out wiv verbally..an quite vehemently an all.. but very very rarely personally.. it has happened..an it has hurt..an don escape me own responisbility for it..
.. but "fake"? Jeez.. we all hav perceptions a how peeps r.. am lotsa things.. but nowt me has ev sed has been fake.. it cums from the soul.. hav passion for the causes in wich me believes.. me nev says owt me dusn believe.. fact that me differs in opinion from peeps don make me a fake ne more than me own perception a wot they say makes them so..
Me has a peculiar view a the world an all its wondas.. an this "fake".. or "troll" ifya prefer will b bak beatin 'er drum wetha Shy or ne 1 else puts 'er on iggie or not!!!!
Do not think so little of me as to grant me your tolerance. Allow me your acceptance and understanding of who and what I am with the love, respect and dignity with which I do you.
QL, Dude, You talking like you personally discovered dick for the entire male population. LOL!!!
Guys have been blowing eachother long before you were even thought of. And I'm only 40, same generation if you are 36. It all has to do with the social status of the crowd you move with. Not every class of people can or would talk freely about their buddy's penis. It just isn't proper in polite society.
I have one question about all that.... do you speak for all males.... or just regard your opinion to apply to all males ?
The only thing more painful than a broken heart, is catching yourself in your zip and having very cold hands
Our feelings exactly!!!! Thanks so much for stating it so eloquently.
All of this business about made-up 'medical' reasons to be against circumcision or all of this nonsense about how it affects sexual satisfaction is just a smokescreen for the reaal reaason- prejudice. Circumcision would be as noncontroversial as having your ears pierced but for the fact that it is associated in people's minds with Jews (and in Europe, with Muslims as well).
.. and that little outburst Jamie.. I find fucking offensive in the extreme.. that statement I do take personally.. that Jamie is as bad as calling parents who have had their children circumcumcised monsters, because what you are telling ME and is that I am a racist and religious bigot..
Do not think so little of me as to grant me your tolerance. Allow me your acceptance and understanding of who and what I am with the love, respect and dignity with which I do you.
I guess my views on circumcision stem from being a nurse. I go the medical veiw of this. I know a lot of ppl think that it is not cleaner to have the forskin removed but i am sure you have never seen a boy come in who was never taught to clean his uncircumcised penis correctly. i wont go into specifics but its not pretty or health.
thank you nurse, this is the type of post I like to read as it raises a lot of issues that are not addressed
over here in NZ a lot of fathers are very careful about cleaning their sons penis, as it only takes one misassumed action to result in a accusation of child molestation... if the person is a step father, then its seriously dangerous
that does make it differcult nowadays for parents to be good parents in that respect, teaching and aiding good hygiene if there is the specter of assumption hanging over their heads.....
I did notice that there were remarks about cleanliness and keeping the penis clean and I did wonder about who the person was that would teach the child to keep it clean.... as if I was a person that was teaching a child how to get themselves clean, I would never admit to it on a forum ..... misunderstanding is everything and it only takes one report to make a good male parent into a father under suspicion and with the risk of losing their kids and relationship/ marriage for doing the right thing by their kids
unfortunately, in nz it has happened.... the rate of fathers that do not take care of their kids is on the rise, cos of the risks involved, and there has been cases of historical charges laid against fathers that included things like touching their kids in the bath etc... and the fathers have been jailed for it....
we are a society that is about protecting the rights of the kids... unfortunately, we do protect them from a lot of the help they need
The only thing more painful than a broken heart, is catching yourself in your zip and having very cold hands
I do understand what you are saying my husband and i have had to deal with what he can and cant do. I have 2 girls from proir to us meeting. In most cases i would assume if you were afraid of this happening and accusations being thrown it would be the mother that should teach. and the teaching should begin at a very early age. You should not wait until they are bathing themselves to teach proper hygine.
I know this is a odd request but do you have any links to sites that can help and show partners that have male uncut boys the best way to clean their penis
this would help many people more than the long winded posts by some of the other posters
The only thing more painful than a broken heart, is catching yourself in your zip and having very cold hands
Okay once again, let me just make my point. I am not saying you are wrong for being uncircumcised, don't tell me I'm wrong for having my boys circumcised. It's a personal choice. In the US the choice is offered while your son is still a newborn and in the hospital, to have it done and make sure they are peeing fine before they are discharged. I have made my choice and no amount of name calling is going to make me secondguess that choice. If my children want an explanation when they are older, I will gladly explain why I did the things I did.
3. Males who have been (choking back the 'm' word) circumcised are equally unlikely to ever be able to admit to themselves the damage inflicted. LDD is not a bad guy, but he certainly cannot come to terms with the fact he only feels half of what he should be feeling. The logic and evidence are infallible. Also is the Kübler-Ross grief cycle.
how can it be proved that I am feeling half of what I would feel if I did have a uncut penis and please, copy and paste from sites is not a measure of lack of feeling
I enjoy penetration, I love penetration, I function well as a male..... and I feel it just fine, my partner knows how touching and stroking and sucking the different parts of my penis, can give me extreme pleasure, ....
I could only grief the loss of something I have had a experience of knowing...and I have never had sex with a foreskin so I have nothing to compare it with in order for the grief cycle to take place
now I do find it very interesting that the lack of a foreskin is being compared to the grief cycle for a terminal illness and I do question how in hell a circumcision is a terminal illness...
so yeah I may have a lack of feeling in my penis, but I enjoy sex with my partner, she enjoys sex,. my penis size is fine for her, I am a functioning adult male..... and I find it hilarious that the only people that have a issue with my cock and how sex feels for me, are in a online site on the net....
yet I am being told that I do not know my own penis and that I can not be happy with my penis so logic dictates that I must be suffering from a grief cycle associated with terminal illness.....
may I say that this is the danger when people with no medical or counselling knowledge get hold of info and read it and think that they are suddenly experts in the field of medicine, surgery, counselling, religion and believe that they are the perfect parents and experts on child rearing
The only thing more painful than a broken heart, is catching yourself in your zip and having very cold hands
Iwanna, in the US only the sons are circumcised with advice of the medical profession. If I had daughters, no I wouldn't have done anything as it's not medically recommended. Furthermore I wouldn't have pierced their ears as I see some parents do, that's a personal choice as well and one I make based on information that I have or was given by medical personnel.
No, but it's not very complicated is it? From what another poster said, in early childhood the foreskin may be fused to the penis and if it does not move down easily you should leave it alone or just occasionally try, gently, to see if it is ready to move. Once it does, all you do is slide it down and wash under it while you are in the bath. Not rocket science.
Last edited by Orlando098; Feb 28, 2010 at 8:41 PM.
Twyla, for what it's worth, I support your decision and would have done the same thing. I am circumsized, and have absolutely no issues at all. Actually I'm rather happy with me, despite what some here feel I should be experiencing. So please don't sweat it. Some people feel superior when they make others feel bad, especially when they see some personal axe to grind. Just be proud that you did what you think is best for your boys, and that you didn't cave to any political agenda. Good for you.!!!
LOL LOL LOL!!!!!
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InTheNameOfLove
IwannaFUCKALLNIGHT
Kirsten79
MAG369
Ontheside
QueerandLoathing
Big iggy's to the bunch of you. As Pasadenacpl says:
Come on, say it to our faces. We even posted the contact number for the Ministry of Children and Families manager. Call her and tell her you believe we abused our child.I dare you to say those things to a mother's face. I double dog dare you.
You don't have the stones.
I've done quite a bit of research on the subject. Phimosis doesn't actually result in the foreskin losing blood supply. That would be a far rarer and more extreme scenario.
Phimosis is simply a tight foreskin.
The reasons for rectifying phimosis are primarily for cleanliness and to prevent discomfort during erection.
However, men have varying degrees of phimosis and it can be perfectly fine to have a case of phimosis to a degree where a medical professional may deem circumcision necessary but the guy doesn't feel any discomfort or difficulty at all.
There are also now methods of stretching (as you mention) that can greatly improve this condition without the need for circumcision.
Stretching methods also work to restore the foreskin. Depending on dedication and the methods used, a guy can go from no foreskin to complete coverage in just one year.
Personally, I don't believe that any doctor or parent has the right to mutilate a child unless their health is at risk. Doing this for religious reasons or for this supposed "cleanliness" issue is not a valid argument and the act is no better than the female genital mutilation conducted in parts of Asia and Africa. This has been deemed as offensive to Humanity and completely unacceptable, so why is it still acceptable to chop bits off of baby boys in the Western world?
It's hypocritical to condemn other societies for holding down girls and butchering them while allowing your own country to continue exactly the same form of barbarism against males.
So, if you accept doctors and parents circumcising their boys for no other reason than medical ignorance or religion, do you also support the men who butcher girls in other countries in a similar way and for similar reasons?
This is an old argument and has recurred occasionally in forums. I agree that circumcision, for boy or girl without having good medical reasons for it is an unnecessary mutilation. In my country it has not been done routinely since my grandad's childhood. But it creates so much anger and bitterness in these pages and I am at a loss to understand why.
That the people of the richest nation on earth are so attached to male circumcision I find hard to fathom. Other than countries which are dominated by religious belief, few countries practice it unless it is done for religious or health reasons. Those parts of the world where it is not practiced routinely have medical professions that tell us quite the opposite of the medical profession in America. Who is right? They can't both be right, or can they? In one sense they can, for circumcision of a boy in infanthood can prevent problems occurring in later life, but little which good penile hygeine could prevent. However it is not unkown for young babies to die as a result of the operation wherever it is performed. Rare certainly but like any surgical procedure it involves risk.
Preventative mutilation is done by many people for a lot of different reasons, but more usually by those who choose it for themselves. Circumcision of baby boys is not in this category. Female circumcision is in a quite different category again and is a cultural practice which should be stamped out but in practice will be extremely difficult to do in some countries because of the powerful hold their culture has on them and because often it is done in remote areas by the surgeon who is no more than the local witch doctor. A butcher.
Whether or not we perform circumcison on boys without their consent, and there is no other way when the child is a few days and less old as in most cases, at least it is done normally with as much expertise and safety as can be mustered by the medical profession. That it should not be done unless there is an overriding health reason I have not the slightest doubt, but if and until countries like America allow the practice to wither on the vine, the argument will continue, and it is proper that it should. There are hopeful signs that the practice is already losing support and there are fewer circumcisions carried out in the United States on baby boys than was the case a few decades ago and the figures still show a drop year on year.
What we argue when we argue about circumcision, whether on boys or girls, is not whether it is mutilation, for that is unarguable, it is whether it is justifiable given our present state of medical knowledge. For girls the negative answer is more clear cut than boys, but for boys the weight of evidence internationally is also in the negative. That does not make the American medical profession wrong, but it does throw into question its motives for recommending its continuance.
There was an obsession at the turn of the 20th century that lasted into the 1930's that seemed to promote circumcision as a way of reducing the urge of young boys to masturbate - which was deemed immoral. By 1950 circumcision was a common surgery.
The general idea is that if you reduced the sensation boys would be less likely to be drawn to the temptation.
This video has several quotes from respected medical publications of the period - typical Victorian philosophy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X09jPPeogLQ
I guess circumcision almost seems preferred to some of the "anti-masturbation" devices that were marketed during that era..man in iron mask is an understatement.
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