Uh UhOriginally Posted by Long Duck Dong
You just don't have any answers
Uh Uh
You just don't have any answers
I am Queen of all felines. I'm a Lioness. A Leo
What!!!...No coffee??? Keep the stuff in bottles, Sir! I want a real drink!
Love, is the most important emotion in the Cosmos. Love is all..
But he is very wrong Duckie.. thats why the world still exists, and humanity has progessed as it has.. and the very statement you make here is but one small example of how wrong he is.. if he was right, then there would ineed be no hope for any of us..
Do not think so little of me as to grant me your tolerance. Allow me your acceptance and understanding of who and what I am with the love, respect and dignity with which I do you.
'' and indeed, you were correct.... I just never saw it, until this thread.....''
What were you incorrect about and what did you never see until this thread?
I am Queen of all felines. I'm a Lioness. A Leo
What!!!...No coffee??? Keep the stuff in bottles, Sir! I want a real drink!
Love, is the most important emotion in the Cosmos. Love is all..
he is wrong in your eyes... and thats nothing to do with me, fran.....
I was wrong on something adam said, and I fully acknowledge it..... regardless of what anybody thinks or says,..... I WAS WRONG.... so I admitted to it and acknowledged my mistake......
thats all I have to say on the matter ....
The only thing more painful than a broken heart, is catching yourself in your zip and having very cold hands
He is wrong about this Duckie..I apologise if I have misunderstood and you are referring to something else... peoples opinions do change.. we see it every day in every walk of life.. we see it when the evidence is so overwheming that we have no alternative..we see it when people are daft enough to believe propaganda of one kind or other.. we see it when people say "I'm sorry..I was wrong..." and when people agree to things that at one point they had castigated as immoral or wrong... or when as in the case of Bloody Sunday, the British Government and the British people.. the evidence provides them with little alternative..we saw it at the Orgreave Colliery where once again the forces of law and order were proved to have gotten out of order.. we see it in many things in this world..
In one sense only Adam has a point.. in a forum such as this people do take a position and stick to it..it is in the nature of the beast.. but even then it does happen that people change a view.. and I resent his insinuation that I by definition have a position and proceed to construct argument to fit my belief.. the arguments exist in my mind, and in other pleaces before I say a word here.. the conclusion comes from in part sentiment and instinct, in part common sense, and in part from observation and experience... but when faced with the reality of the world, people often have little option but to change their position either through that reality, circumstance or when faced with the evidence.. that is how and why humanity has advanced such as it has, and why the world is a much less dangerous place than it otherwise could be.. that is why we are a social species..
Do not think so little of me as to grant me your tolerance. Allow me your acceptance and understanding of who and what I am with the love, respect and dignity with which I do you.
its ok, fran..... I was just trying to distance myself from a few issues in the thread.....
I agree with you and adam, there are people that will change and adjust their opinions as they learn more.... and people that will take a stance and build their argument about it, ignoring all other possibilities....
I perfer to change my opinions.... it makes it easier for me when I am wrong, to admit it lol
its a shame the thread has turned to shit.... as there is info coming to light that may just explain what actually was happening with the boarding of the ship and reveal things that put a whole new light on what happened before the ship was boarded and after....
putting two and two together, reveals something quite interesting indeed.... and actually clears the israelis and the protestors of wrong doing
The only thing more painful than a broken heart, is catching yourself in your zip and having very cold hands
Gee, what a surprise that people in Gaza are desperate, considering that Israel has Gaza under seige and is blocking humanitarian aid from its people under the pretext that all shipments into the blockade zone are arms.
Of course I don't condone suicide bombings or violence on the part of the Palestinians. But let's put this in perspective. Israel is using any incident of violence as an excuse to continue this punishment, and their blockade of Gaza has been unremittingly brutal.
A few days ago (ca 18 Jun 2010) it was announced that the Israeli Parliament approved the relaxation of the blockade saying that anything that was non-military would be allowed through to Gaza.
Yesterday (21 Jun 2010) or the day before there was mention of suspending this because a ship / boat left for Gaza from the Lebanon.
Is Israel speaking with forked tongue?
If this thread has turned to shit, then it has done so, when certain people decided to either take comments personally or to make them personal.
When people are discussing an issue and appear to take criticism of a country as something very personal, when others, who have opposing views, state that they are not in favour of violence on either side of a conflict, be it terrorism or a state defending itself, then there is something very wrong happening
You brought up the name of a certain person and in a post to me. That person you mentioned, had, at the time, made only one post upon the thread and this consisting of one sentence, to make a remark about something posted by Pasa.
You very deliberately raised that certain person's name and in a post to me, not a general post. You had a reason for that and you will not say why.
Are you trying to say that a one sentence post, by that certain person, triggered you to remember something said, on other threads, sometime ago? It is too much of a coincidence, that you mentioned that certain person, in a post to me, far too much of a coincidence.
I think it is also too much of a coincidence, that I am then attacked, in a very personal manner, upon another thread, by a person who was posting upon this thread and is closely connected to you.
An attack where I am referred to as a ''bored housewife,'' ''cheating upon her husband,'' flirting with someone and then finding out certain things.
Far too much of a coincidence. So I will ask you, once again and very politely, why you decided to mention a certain person, in a post to me? What was it, that so coincidentily, caused you to have this revelation about that particular person (who had only made a one sentence post, on this thread, at the time), and why you felt the need to mention that certain person in a post directed at me? You had a reason. What was it?
I am Queen of all felines. I'm a Lioness. A Leo
What!!!...No coffee??? Keep the stuff in bottles, Sir! I want a real drink!
Love, is the most important emotion in the Cosmos. Love is all..
I would agree with every word you say, in this post.
I am Queen of all felines. I'm a Lioness. A Leo
What!!!...No coffee??? Keep the stuff in bottles, Sir! I want a real drink!
Love, is the most important emotion in the Cosmos. Love is all..
Does it come as any surprise Heph. It's the sort of thing a state...any state, will do. Disappointing though.
I am Queen of all felines. I'm a Lioness. A Leo
What!!!...No coffee??? Keep the stuff in bottles, Sir! I want a real drink!
Love, is the most important emotion in the Cosmos. Love is all..
Just as there are children suffering in Israel, when the most heinous of terrorist attacks take place, so there are children suffering in Gaza, when Israel begins reprisal attacks.
It doesn't matter which side is suffering. It doesn't matter where in the world, that suffering may take place. It doesn't matter what race, colour, creed, gender or sexuality. It is always the innocent who suffer.
Last edited by Canticle; Oct 31, 2010 at 3:19 PM.
I am Queen of all felines. I'm a Lioness. A Leo
What!!!...No coffee??? Keep the stuff in bottles, Sir! I want a real drink!
Love, is the most important emotion in the Cosmos. Love is all..
It is an exaggeration to say that the thread has turned to shit.. it has however developed a personal edge between u and Darling and Canticle which has nothing to do with the thread and has in some degree detracted from it. That has no place on this thread.. it is not quite the same personal edge as when I sounded off at Pasa since that had at least a connection to the subject matter.. I am at a loss to understand why it has happened. I am not pointing a finger, but am disappointed that something has developed to detract from such an important discussion which has to do with a personal issue involving Canticle and Adam. It is done now..but it all seems so unnecessary... ridicule is an old trick to discredit people as you well know and it seems that is what has been going on here. What the truth of the matter is I do not know, nor do I particularly wish to be enlightened.. there are places for personal issues to be pursued.. in the midst a debate isn't one of them..
.. once, not long ago in another thread involving another member I said I loathe witchhunts.. you may remember... this smacks every bit as much of a witch hunt as that other member was having unnecessarily to endure...
Do not think so little of me as to grant me your tolerance. Allow me your acceptance and understanding of who and what I am with the love, respect and dignity with which I do you.
Ok..personal conflicts aside and getting back to what Hep has posted in #792.
I also reported about a statement that Israel was going to permit more humanitarian aid in and was going to permit aid in more in line with what the Un determines the material to be. There was something about cement being permitted as long as the UN (or others ) supervised that it was going to build schools and hospitals etc. and not Hammas bunkers.
Was this to permit the aid in via land or did it include sea? Any more news on why Israel seems to be changing what they agreed to?
Last edited by tenni; Jun 22, 2010 at 5:45 PM.
iran is a supporter of gaza, and that appears to be where most of the weapons are coming from..... that and thru egypt, thru the tunnels..... however that doesn't mean that egypt is supporting or condoning the weapons movement..
The only thing more painful than a broken heart, is catching yourself in your zip and having very cold hands
the reason the blockade started was to stop the ongoing attacks against israel...... and based around recent reports, hamas is still refusing to work with the obama government with peace talks between gaza and israel
israel and egypt both have been allowing aid to get to gaza.... and there have been attacks on the aid convoys
you can not be a victim and a aggressor, gaza is asking for help and aid... hamas is the group thats causing the issues in gaza with the aggressive actions... israel is trying to help the people of gaza, but at the same time, trying to protect themselves from hostile action from gaza......
its a bit like the korea issue, and the trade embargos and restrictions..... then the talk about starving people there...... you can not have it both ways.... you can not cut off a country then expect the people that run it, to be all nice and friendly about your actions
The only thing more painful than a broken heart, is catching yourself in your zip and having very cold hands
Point taken LDD but Lebanon is just to the north of Israel, along the coast.
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I know.... but what is the best way to be involved without appearing to be involved.....
if it was me, i would not send the weapons directly but thru a middle man...or middle ship ...as irans not exactly on the list of some countries favourites...lol
not saying thats happening, as there is no proof of that.....
The only thing more painful than a broken heart, is catching yourself in your zip and having very cold hands
if we remove all the non thread related posts, I reckon we would have about 13 pages of posts...not 27..lol
I was referring to the way that it appears that people only want to slam israel or be pro israel and find ways to justify their personal feelings about israel......
me, I am more interested in what happened..... as the more I read and view sites and videos.... the more I can see something that most of the posters are missing..... but thats my nature..... I do not see things in black and white....
if what I have read is correct ( turkish and protestor and media sources )... israel never shot any protestors or aid workers.... they were not on the upper deck where the shootings took place......
have you noticed that no aid agency has mentioned their members being shot and killed..... strange... surely a aid agency / protest movement would be quick to mourn the loss of their own people
unless they were not aid workers or protestors..... they were in fact militants as suggested by some of the aid workers and protestors that stated that group boarded at another port of call..... and as suggested by the finding of the laminated pics of people on the israeli soldiers.......
I am not trying to exempt israel from any blame, I would like to see them held accountable for what happened, not the media version..... but for all accounts and purposes, not the killing of any aid workers or protestors.... but militants on a aid ship.....
thats based around the info I have seen, read and heard..... and I am not saying its the truth... but its a bloody good chance its the truth about the shootings on the ship.....
Last edited by Long Duck Dong; Jun 22, 2010 at 9:40 PM.
The only thing more painful than a broken heart, is catching yourself in your zip and having very cold hands
I researched it....... and its correct......
uk news source
apparently, its the uk that is making headway with israel...as I have read in a few sites that hamas is refusing to work with obama led peace talks, but talking with the uk about aid and other issues.....
it looks like egypt may be assisting with the aid as well but iran is set to try and send another blockade busting ship to gaza with pro palestine activists on board......
yahoo news source
if that is true about iran.... then it adds support to what I have been saying about the aid ships carrying activists and not just aid workers....
The only thing more painful than a broken heart, is catching yourself in your zip and having very cold hands
Is Lebanon merely a puppet to pure malevolence? As you say LDD there is no worthy evidence of this.
Does it matter where humanitarian supplies come from provded that they are humanitarian supplies. If Iran is behaving in a caring way then surely Iran should be rewarded for this and the Gazan Palestinians benefit?
As Israel has said that there is no blockade to humanitarian supplies then any ship carrying such is not blockade busting.
If Israel prophesses one thing and does another then Israel does itself no good - again.
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You know Heph I once read a quote that is fitting here.
Evil done in the name of good is still evil, but Good done in the name of Evil is still good. It seems that intentions should be weighed more carefully than who or where the aid comes from.
I just don't want to see it used as another excuse to go after a country that is just trying to defend itself. It's a bad situation when the people who need aid are denied it by the very government they elected.
iran has stated its pro palestine and there are sources that say that iran is sending weapons.... but that doesn't mean that there are not aid workers in lebanon actively assisting with the aid effort.....
its like oliver north, and America..... america sends aid, oliver north arranged weapons ....
but I agree... what matters is that the people in gaza, get aid.... by whatever means.....and from whatever country.....
however, the aid goes thru ashdod port.... and thats a safe guard for all the aid workers etc... otherwise could you imagine a ship sailing directly to gaza and some hothead turning on the ship with a couple of RPGS.....
we think that israel is out of line ??? imagine the outcry if aid workers were attacked while unloading the aid supplies in gaza.....
The only thing more painful than a broken heart, is catching yourself in your zip and having very cold hands
I believe the quote is "Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but beware the evil men do in the name of good." (Is it from Have Gun Will Travel?)
Anyway, it's a relief to see the rest of the Muslim nations in the Middle East offer the Palestinians anything but lip service.
No, R Kestrel that's not the quote and not anything that Paladin said. I believe it was in a fiction series about the Book of of the Prophet, the words of Vkandis.
The situaiton is getting silly. The Palestinians need humanitairan help. It shouldn't matter whether the help is coming from Alpha Centauri So long as it is just that - help.
The Israelis have stated that they would allow this kind of help in but the minute it starts it would seem that the Israelis had their fingers crossed.
Shame on them.
Hep
Strange but we are not getting any of this in our media? any references....I guess that I could check the Guardian or?
The ship from Lebanon and the change of heart by the Israelis was BBC.
The ship from Iran is info from LDD/DD - I accept this last as occurring but should check it out like you. The claim of nefarious influence of Iran on Lebanon is LDD/DD again
Right now most of our news has crept on. 2 main themes one is oil in the Gulf of Mexico, the other is our financial mess where everyone has to tighten belts and share toilet paper, except for the banking profession who donate theirs.
I will respond to that by way of a private message......if you will allow me to do so.
I tried to read a lot of these posts, I have to say they WERE told to turn back and refused...so they got what they got when they decided to run it anyway....
as far as the Jews and Palestinian...
The Arabs attack Israel in the 7 day war and got there butts kicked by the Jews...the Palestinians backed the Arabs..so what are the Jews supposed to do just let them wander around causing havoc? The rest of the Arabs refused to let them into their countries.... So why not blame them for their troubles instead of Israel?
If your into religion (Bible, old testament) God said "Israel is the apple of mine eye"
I say back the Jews and try to work a peace out....The Arabs only want the Death of the Jews, and Destruction of Israel...they have said it many times with there own words and deeds...
The Jews just want to live in peace, but they aren't stupid. They have a strong military and rightly so, they need it with so many enemies wanting their death and destruction...
These are my thoughts about that, sorry if it pisses anyone off.
Last edited by lovescum2; Jun 24, 2010 at 1:54 AM.
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