Gaza Aid Convoy

[hardnbubbly]

American Jews for a Just Peace is to Co-Sponsor Jewish Boat to Gaza. [link]

[Long Duck Dong]

Wow.. everytime I check this there is are pages and pages of comments posted back. Anyway here is an interesting article stating why THE RED CROSS describes the Israeli blockade of Gaza as a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

I hope this a good enough answer to those who are saying that Israel is providing aid to Gaza. That is Israel is not an occupying power.

Of course if you choose to bury your head in the sand its up to .

yet a more recent law, which I have posted, the international humanitarian aid law, supersedes the 4th geneva convention by stating the definations and guidelines for aid transportation, classification of enemy / netural / aid ships, planes, vehicles etc, the rules of engagement etc etc

aid is known to be getting thru from egypt to gaza thru tunnels, and that is where a lot of the weapons is getting thru to.......

even israel has acknowledged that the tunnels exist and will not move to close them......

the bloackade may be a violation of the 4th geneva convention in the red cross eyes.... but why it is there ??? its there to stop the transportation of weapons and minimise blood shed.....

[Long Duck Dong]

And you are mis-understanding the meaning of the word martyr or shahid(shaheed) and the word jihad.

I am misunderstanding english ???? read my bloody post, tenni asked where a person said something in a video...... he asked DD about it.... so I posted the link for it

I never mentioned jihad or referred to it and nor did I suggest what the person was refering to or saying......

if you are going to tell me I am wrong on something, please make sure I was actually talking about it in the first place.... ie JIHAD

[DuckiesDarling]

I am not anti Israel. I am anti some of the things that Israel does. I am totally anti any terrorism, as should we all be and against any attacks on the state of Israel.

I have as much clue as you, or anyone else. Yes, I do believe that the Israeli video, is pure propaganda. I won't change my mind on that. Like Fran says (and she has been just as critical of Israel, so why the attitude difference), if Israel releases all the video, confiscated, uncut...then the rest of the world would be able to see the evidence. I'm not happy to see carefully edited pieces of video and accept that as truth. If you are, then you cannot really be bothered, about the exact truth of what went on.

So, you won't look at links explaining the different meanings of 'jihad.' Why is that? I have looked at every link posted here. Is it that you have already made up your mind, that what is written will be rubbish, or can you not bear to look deeper into something.

Hamas (Hammas), may well mean a holy war, when they use the word 'jihad,' but people writing in those links, Muslims, say that is a wrong and an evil interpretation of the word. As for the guy in the video. From those few words, you cannot possibly know, exactly what he meant. No one can, but him.

''So spare me your wordy replies and all your links and just answer one thing. What are you gonna do when Israel drops a nuclear bomb? Clasp your hands and pray and say I'm sorry I just wanted a better life for them but now they have no life at all?''

No, I won't spare you my wordy replies. I'll express myself, how I wish. I would never want, the way another person posted, to change. If you don't want to see my posts, because they don't agree with you, then put me on ignore. I've never thought that the three wise monkeys approach, was a sensible one, myself.

Do you really think that Israel might drop a nuclear bomb. Wow, if they did, it would show them to be an extremely dangerous country. What a ridiculous thing to say. It would not only be Gaza that was obliterated. Israel would not last very long, or have you forgotten about all the other nuclear countries in the area.....apart from the fall out, over Israel itself.

You obviously think it's Ok for israel, as a Middle Eastern country to have nuclear weapons. If that is the case. If it's Ok for Israel to have them, then it should be Ok for any country to have them.

I have thought, from the very beginning of this thread, that you seem to be taking this event and any criticism of Israel, very personally. I have noticed that. You come over as so angry and so very angry that others will not support Israel, in this instance.

I have no hatred of Israel or any other country in the area. On any other issue, I would probably support Israel and not another party. However, on this point, like many others, I do not.

I don't believe that Israel has the right to blockade Gaza. If there is any blockade, this should be carried out by the UN. Maybe if the UN was in charge of searching aid ships, then those on board, would not feel that any blockade, needed breaking.

If Gaza is going to ever be a land, which can look after itself and it's people, it needs industry, it needs to feel free. Hamas may not be a good force, but they were elected and many Palestinians, see them as the only grouping, who are willing to fight for them. And if the Jews have a right to fight for their existence.....so do the Palestinians. And why should the Palestinians, or any other country or people, accept peace, only on Israel's terms.

So you ignore my links. I can't say that I am not surprised. Just a little saddened.

And you can ignore what is right in front of you. Hamas is not satisfied with any semblance of peace treaty, they want Israel as a nation destroyed. It's in their charter or do you suppose that is propagana too? They have no intention of bowing to any "infidel" authority so there goes the UN theory. What needs to happen is the world needs to stop feeling sorry for the terrorists and start feeling sorry for the many innocents on BOTH sides that suffer. The world needs to open it's eyes and realize that only the people of the Middle East can solve the Middle East's problems. You and I will never agree on principle because you think everything Israel has done to the poor Gazans is wrong. Then go look for the pictures on the web of the civilian targets that were hit with a rocket, look at the faces of terrified children with blood running down their faces like crimson tears. Then tell me you think Israel is wrong for defending itself in the only way left open to it other than completely taking over the strip and moving the Palestinians to their friendly neighbors in Iran.

Or if your stomach can handle it then click the attachments in my next post.

[Long Duck Dong]

[B]

Save me the waffle LDD. I know you have a keen mind and a good spirit.

One question......how long is it, since you were in the forces?

Love and light.

C

I was near 20 when I joined, tho I am no longer on active service, I remain * on call * for emergency military service / home front military defence * until I am 42 ... I turn 40 in september

[DuckiesDarling]

Pictures of what terror does, and why Israel fights. Unless of course you'll claim they are faked or just propoganda.

[DuckiesDarling]

And if that isn't enough one more.......

And for the record those pics are from a story about Hamas declaration to kill Israel's children ANYWHERE. So yeah real nice people you are defending, they make war on the innocent and never attack as a military unit. They want a holy war but they don't want war against grown men and women that can defend themselves, no they want to take out children. Babies in their cribs, preschool children, school age children it doesn't matter to them. They will grow up to be more soldiers for Israel.

Personally, after all the bs in this thread I'm still not agreeing with Pasa that Israel should just wipe the Gazans out. But it needs to end. They need to realize that terrorism does nothing but produce anger when used against one of the most previously terrorized nations. They know Israel has flat out said they will never again be left without the means to defend themselves. And they know Israel is sticking to that promise. Every strike by the Gazans has resulted in swift Israeli response. It's not tit for tat, it's not a polite afternoon's scuffle then off for tea. It's life and death for real people every day. But some people are just too fucking blind to see it.

[Canticle]

I am misunderstanding english ???? read my bloody post, tenni asked where a person said something in a video...... he asked DD about it.... so I posted the link for it

I never mentioned jihad or referred to it and nor did I suggest what the person was refering to or saying......

if you are going to tell me I am wrong on something, please make sure I was actually talking about it in the first place.... ie JIHAD

I know what I posted........I suggest that you read the post...theone with the unwanted links, which I posted to DD. I am suggesting that the word martyr can be interpreted in many ways, as can the word jihad. A jihad is a struggle....and not necessarily a war. You cannot know exactly what the guy in the video meant, by the word martyr. Only he can and he's not sat in the forum or the chat room.

[Canticle]

American Jews for a Just Peace is to Co-Sponsor Jewish Boat to Gaza. [link]

Thank you for those links. they were very interesting .

[Long Duck Dong]

I know what I posted........I suggest that you read the post...theone with the unwanted links, which I posted to DD. I am suggesting that the word martyr can be interpreted in many ways, as can the word jihad. A jihad is a struggle....and not necessarily a war. You cannot know exactly what the guy in the video meant, by the word martyr. Only he can and he's not sat in the forum or the chat room.

I never suggested what he was refering to, I never mentioned anything to do with jihad or martyrs or martyrdom...... I merely showed tenni where it was mentioned in a video

there is a dammed good reason why.... COS i have no bloody idea what he is actually referring to with the usage of the word martyr...... therefore I am not quessing at or assuming what he meant....

I say again..... I never mentioned jihad, and nor do I care about martyrs or martrydom...... so there is no reason for me to read your sites ...

now read back and see that it was DD and tenni that were talking about jihad and martyrs........NOT ME!!!!!!!!

so if you had read as well as you claim, you would have seen that..... clearly you didn't as you are going after the wrong person over something they do not care about......

now I say again, stop telling me or trying to tell me I am wrong or in error over something I clearly am not referring to or discussing....

[Canticle]

And you can ignore what is right in front of you. Hamas is not satisfied with any semblance of peace treaty, they want Israel as a nation destroyed. It's in their charter or do you suppose that is propagana too? They have no intention of bowing to any "infidel" authority so there goes the UN theory. What needs to happen is the world needs to stop feeling sorry for the terrorists and start feeling sorry for the many innocents on BOTH sides that suffer. The world needs to open it's eyes and realize that only the people of the Middle East can solve the Middle East's problems. You and I will never agree on principle because you think everything Israel has done to the poor Gazans is wrong. Then go look for the pictures on the web of the civilian targets that were hit with a rocket, look at the faces of terrified children with blood running down their faces like crimson tears. Then tell me you think Israel is wrong for defending itself in the only way left open to it other than completely taking over the strip and moving the Palestinians to their friendly neighbors in Iran.

Or if your stomach can handle it then click the attachments in my next post.

I guess the children in Gaza have crimson tears also. I'm not afraid to click on your link DD....but you didn't wan't to read anything about the meaning of the word 'jihad.' Hmmmmm......

[DuckiesDarling]

I guess the children in Gaza have crimson tears also. I'm not afraid to click on your link DD....but you didn't wan't to read anything about the meaning of the word 'jihad.' Hmmmmm......

There are dead children on both sides thanks the actions of your lovely Hamas. I guess we should be thankful they haven't yet captured an Israeli child to slice up into steaks and send home.

And I'm well fucking acquainted with Jihad, after all America has had one declared on it since 2001. But then I guess we know nothing, we only look at the entire world instead of sitting somewhere afraid to walk outside our own paths. Tell me Canticle, when's the last time you actually left your house?

[Canticle]

And if that isn't enough one more.......

And for the record those pics are from a story about Hamas declaration to kill Israel's children ANYWHERE. So yeah real nice people you are defending, they make war on the innocent and never attack as a military unit. They want a holy war but they don't want war against grown men and women that can defend themselves, no they want to take out children. Babies in their cribs, preschool children, school age children it doesn't matter to them. They will grow up to be more soldiers for Israel.

Personally, after all the bs in this thread I'm still not agreeing with Pasa that Israel should just wipe the Gazans out. But it needs to end. They need to realize that terrorism does nothing but produce anger when used against one of the most previously terrorized nations. They know Israel has flat out said they will never again be left without the means to defend themselves. And they know Israel is sticking to that promise. Every strike by the Gazans has resulted in swift Israeli response. It's not tit for tat, it's not a polite afternoon's scuffle then off for tea. It's life and death for real people every day. But some people are just too fucking blind to see it.

The pictures you show are terrible....of coiurse they are, but what of the children in Gaza.......are they different? Israeli retalliation, must kill far and injure more. These things are not only happening in the Middle East. Children die in Africa, starving to death. A once very rich country called Zimbabwe, has been brought to it's knees by Robert Mugabe, with daily killings, no free elections and people starving. Does the west take any notice.....NO. No oil to be found in Zimbabwe.

In certain South American countries, the street children are culled. Children die in conflict, wherever it may be. Show some pictures of injured children from Gaza.....Hama recruits of the future.

It's life and death, globally. The state of Israel does a greater claim to that sort of thing, than any other area of conflict.....not in the 21st century.

[DuckiesDarling]

The pictures you show are terrible....of coiurse they are, but what of the children in Gaza.......are they different? Israeli retalliation, must kill far and injure more. These things are not only happening in the Middle East. Children die in Africa, starving to death. A once very rich country called Zimbabwe, has been brought to it's knees by Robert Mugabe, with daily killings, no free elections and people starving. Does the west take any notice.....NO. No oil to be found in Zimbabwe.

In certain South American countries, the street children are culled. Children die in conflict, wherever it may be. Show some pictures of injured children from Gaza.....Hama recruits of the future.

It's life and death, globally. The state of Israel does a greater claim to that sort of thing, than any other area of conflict.....not in the 21st century.

What's happening elsewhere in the world has nothing to do with this thread. Children are dead because of Hamas, children on BOTH sides are dead because of Hamas.

[tenni]

DD
I cans see and agree with some of your points in post of today(damn I forgot the numbers...duh..lol) I have no explanation as to why that Arab man made that statement in English. However, I've already stated that I see that particular video as being a professional propaganda video. I gave several reasons in a previous post as to the factors that make it so.

Where I agree with most sincerely is that Hammas was/is a terrorist group. Fatta was seen as a terrorist group as well. Both have moved from a position of being a terrorist group attacking not just military locations but the civilian population to representing the voice of their people. Whether they both are still participating in terrorist acts, I do not know for sure but suspect that they are.

Are Gazan children injured and killed by the Israel? Yes, they are. How many died when Israel invaded Gaza last year? I don't know but I'm sure many died and bled just as those Israeli children did. Those children in the photos may have just as well been Gazan as Israeli.

Where is the difference? If you have read the sites posted tonight by hardnbubbly you will see reports that the Red Cross states that 14% of Gazan children suffered from stunted growth due to poor nutrition. I doubt very much the Israeli children are suffering from stunted growth due to malnutrion. Israel is failing in providing humananitarian aid to stop this suffering. (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...758862244.html) Now, those that are closed minded about the source may very well reject it based on that news source. I've found that they do have a slight bias and definitely a different perspective when compared to North American media. I think that is good though. I have found that they are reliable when they report on topics that are not connected to the middle east. It is your choice whether you reject them as presenting a different perspective. I have a tendency to read both liberal and conservative news sources. I don't always agree with the conservative media in my country but I find the perspective interesting and having some validity of perspective. I find the same about Aljazeera. The present a different perspective editorially about the middle east. They present the same incident as far as the details are concerned but often present perspectives not presented in Western media.

Both sides have made serious errors. Do you condemn both sides or are you remaining rigid in blaming only one side?

[Canticle]

There are dead children on both sides thanks the actions of your lovely Hamas. I guess we should be thankful they haven't yet captured an Israeli child to slice up into steaks and send home.

And I'm well fucking acquainted with Jihad, after all America has had one declared on it since 2001. But then I guess we know nothing, we only look at the entire world instead of sitting somewhere afraid to walk outside our own paths. Tell me Canticle, when's the last time you actually left your house?

I leave my house every day and if you want to go discussing terrorism, I lived through the worst of the IRA bomb attacks, on mainland Britain. When bags were searched, when you stood on a station platform, in central London, wondering what was in the bag, a slightly shifty looking person, was carrying.

But I guess that is different....it's not the USA. Well, let me tell you, the USA is not the first country to suffer terrorism. It won't be the last. All terrorism, no matter how few, or how many people get killed, is awful, no matter the race, creed or colour of the people involved. You might want to remember that in Irag, when these huge bombs explode, innocent men, women and children are killed.

Being Jewish, being Muslim, being Christian, or any other religion....it doesn't matter......terrorism is wrong. Israeli, Palestinian Arab, Iraqi, Iranian, British, American, Irish, Spanish, Serb...whatever the race or nationality.......people get killed. One wrong does not make a right. One right does not make a wrong.

I sometimes think that the USA believes that only itself and Israel suffers terrorism.....not so. It is everywhere on the planet.

And you keep going on about bodies being sliced up, to send back to Israel. What the heck is that all about?

[Canticle]

What's happening elsewhere in the world has nothing to do with this thread. Children are dead because of Hamas, children on BOTH sides are dead because of Hamas.

The heck is does. What is happening elswhere in the world is very relevant. There are children dying....dying....and to mention that there are other conflicts is extremely important.

[DuckiesDarling]

The heck is does. What is happening elswhere in the world is very relevant. There are children dying....dying....and to mention that there are other conflicts is extremely important.

It's as relevant as what LDD posted and you asked what it had to do with Israel(post451)... so can't handle being told the same thing.

But I stand by my point, this is about Israel/Gaza not about Africa, or Thailand or Japan or Australia. Children are dying everywhere but you yourself seem determined to only keep this on the subject of Israel and Gaza but you throw other dead kids up in other parts of the world when shown the bodies and faces of kids directly affected by Gazan rocket fire. Can't debate a point so you misdirect, classic.

[DuckiesDarling]

DD
I cans see and agree with some of your points. I have no explanation as to why that Arab man made that statement in English. However, I've already stated that I see that particular video as being a professional propaganda video. I gave several reasons in a previous post as to the factors that make it so.

Where I agree with most sincerely is that Hammas was/is a terrorist group. Fatta was seen as a terrorist group as well. Both have moved from a position of being a terrorist group attacking not just military locations but the civilian population to representing the voice of their people. Whether they both are still participating in terrorist acts, I do not know for sure but suspect that they are.

Are Gazan children injured and killed by the Israel? Yes, they are. How many died when Israel invaded Gaza last year? I don't know but I'm sure many died and bled just as those Israeli children did. Those children in the photos may have just as well been Gazan as Israeli.

Where is the difference? If you have read the sites posted tonight by hardnbubbly you will see reports that the Red Cross states that 14% of Gazan children suffered from stunted growth due to poor nutrition. I doubt very much the Israeli children are suffering from stunted growth due to malnutrion. Israel is failing in providing humananitarian aid to stop this suffering. (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...758862244.html) Now, those that are closed minded about the source may very well reject it based on that news source. I've found that they do have a slight bias and definitely a different perspective when compared to North American media. I think that is good though. I have found that they are reliable when they report on topics that are not connected to the middle east. It is your choice whether you reject them as presenting a different perspective. I have a tendency to read both liberal and conservative news sources. I don't always agree with the conservative media in my country but I find the perspective interesting and having some validity of perspective.

Both sides have made serious errors. Do you condemn both sides or are you remaining rigid in blaming only one side?

Rigid? No, but I do blame Hamas for most of it and Israel must defend. For the rocket attacks and the stubborn policies that deny any aid vetted by Israel, that includes food. So yes I do blame one side, in particular Hamas. They will continue this until there is nothing left on the Gaza Strip because their religion demands that Israel be swept from this planet before Allah will come.

[Long Duck Dong]

DD
I cans see and agree with some of your points. I have no explanation as to why that Arab man made that statement in English. However, I've already stated that I see that particular video as being a professional propaganda video. I gave several reasons in a previous post as to the factors that make it so.

Where I agree with most sincerely is that Hammas was/is a terrorist group. Fatta was seen as a terrorist group as well. Both have moved from a position of being a terrorist group attacking not just military locations but the civilian population to representing the voice of their people. Whether they both are still participating in terrorist acts, I do not know for sure but suspect that they are.

Are Gazan children injured and killed by the Israel? Yes, they are. How many died when Israel invaded Gaza last year? I don't know but I'm sure many died and bled just as those Israeli children did. Those children in the photos may have just as well been Gazan as Israeli.

Where is the difference? If you have read the sites posted tonight by hardnbubbly you will see reports that the Red Cross states that 14% of Gazan children suffered from stunted growth due to poor nutrition. I doubt very much the Israeli children are suffering from stunted growth due to malnutrion. Israel is failing in providing humananitarian aid to stop this suffering. (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...758862244.html) Now, those that are closed minded about the source may very well reject it based on that news source. I've found that they do have a slight bias and definitely a different perspective when compared to North American media. I think that is good though. I have found that they are reliable when they report on topics that are not connected to the middle east. It is your choice whether you reject them as presenting a different perspective. I have a tendency to read both liberal and conservative news sources. I don't always agree with the conservative media in my country but I find the perspective interesting and having some validity of perspective.

Both sides have made serious errors. Do you condemn both sides or are you remaining rigid in blaming only one side?

I will not argue the figures or the findings.... all I will say, if you can not give more aid than there is to give...... and the logistics of transporting and delivering, are another aspect....

its a bit like other countries, yes, children are starving.... but again, you can not provide more aid then what you have, and getting it to where its needed, is easier to talk about than do..... specially if you are facing hostile resistance and I am not talking about blockades, ....

the issue is how to resolve it.. while being balanced and fair to both sides, and without creating more bloodshed......and without causing issues that result in less aid getting thru

[tenni]

DD
First, Islam does not demand the destruction of Israel. You are misinformed but I wait for a Muslim to correct you with more details. Some radical extremists demand the end of Israel. Some radical Christians demand the death of GLBT people as well but not Christianity itself.

Second, Please expand upon your statement about "stubborn policies that deny any aid vetted by Israel"?

Rigid? No, but I do blame Hamas for most of it and Israel must defend. For the rocket attacks and the stubborn policies that deny any aid vetted by Israel, that includes food. So yes I do blame one side, in particular Hamas. They will continue this until there is nothing left on the Gaza Strip because their religion demands that Israel be swept from this planet before Allah will come.

[hardnbubbly]

Neither is Israel for that matter. They voted in an extremist government. Why don't we blockade them to convince them to change their mind?

And you can ignore what is right in front of you. Hamas is not satisfied with any semblance of peace treaty, they want Israel as a nation destroyed. It's in their charter or do you suppose that is propagana too? They have no intention of bowing to any "infidel" authority so there goes the UN theory. What needs to happen is the world needs to stop feeling sorry for the terrorists and start feeling sorry for the many innocents on BOTH sides that suffer. The world needs to open it's eyes and realize that only the people of the Middle East can solve the Middle East's problems. You and I will never agree on principle because you think everything Israel has done to the poor Gazans is wrong. Then go look for the pictures on the web of the civilian targets that were hit with a rocket, look at the faces of terrified children with blood running down their faces like crimson tears. Then tell me you think Israel is wrong for defending itself in the only way left open to it other than completely taking over the strip and moving the Palestinians to their friendly neighbors in Iran.

Or if your stomach can handle it then click the attachments in my next post.

[DuckiesDarling]

DD
First, Islam does not demand the destruction of Israel. You are misinformed but I wait for a Muslim to correct you with more details. Some radical extremists demand the end of Israel. Some radical Christians demand the death of GLBT people as well but not Christianity itself.

Second, Please expand upon your statement about "stubborn policies that deny any aid vetted by Israel"?

Hamas' own policies state that they believe Allah will not come until the Zionist plague is removed. And as for the policies, it's well known as it's been reported on several sites and mentioned several times in this thread. Hamas has declared it will accept no aid vetted by Israel

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-456346

http://www.resistnet.com/profiles/bl...ng-aid-to-gaza

There are a couple, plenty more out there on the web.

[hardnbubbly]

Smuggling necessities through tunnels is aid??????????

Please tell the children with stunted development.. the patients that don't have medicin to be treated... school children that don't have school books.

Just tell me what weapon can you manufacture with chocolate? What weapons you can manufacture with medicin?

yet a more recent law, which I have posted, the international humanitarian aid law, supersedes the 4th geneva convention by stating the definations and guidelines for aid transportation, classification of enemy / netural / aid ships, planes, vehicles etc, the rules of engagement etc etc

aid is known to be getting thru from egypt to gaza thru tunnels, and that is where a lot of the weapons is getting thru to.......

even israel has acknowledged that the tunnels exist and will not move to close them......

the bloackade may be a violation of the 4th geneva convention in the red cross eyes.... but why it is there ??? its there to stop the transportation of weapons and minimise blood shed.....

[tenni]

Thanks DD
re: post 624
This has not been reported in Canada CBC, Globe and Mail nor the National Post (a conservative National newspaper). All are reputable news sources. When I read the first post, I can see that it would probably be rejected as a biased emotional rant rather than accurate news reporting in Canada. Strange that it is under the CNN banner. It is not under a New York Times search nor the BBC webpage search. I notice the reference to Fox news in the second webpage and the use of emotional rather than neutral wording.

[hardnbubbly]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...lla-aid-israel


They refused to accept it until all activists have been released by Israel according to the guardian. I personally think that they should be more worried about feeding their people and taking care of them. However, this does send a message of solidarity with the activists and demands from Israel to return the pirated items to their rightful destination.

Its funny that all the sites you listed are Israeli propaganda sites.. do you happen to check elsewhere?

FYI.. the Hamas leadership has indication on several occasions that they would accept a Palestinian state within 1967 borders. However, if Israel is not reciprocating, I don't see why they should just offer that concession to Israel on a silver platter. The PLO did it in the early 1990's, what did they get? More settlements, more land confiscations, worse economic conditions.

Hamas' own policies state that they believe Allah will not come until the Zionist plague is removed. And as for the policies, it's well known as it's been reported on several sites and mentioned several times in this thread. Hamas has declared it will accept no aid vetted by Israel

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-456346

http://www.resistnet.com/profiles/bl...ng-aid-to-gaza

There are a couple, plenty more out there on the web.

[Long Duck Dong]

Smuggling necessities through tunnels is aid??????????

Please tell the children with stunted development.. the patients that don't have medicin to be treated... school children that don't have school books.

Just tell me what weapon can you manufacture with chocolate? What weapons you can manufacture with medicin?

can you please supply info about what is being smuggled thru the tunnels.....
I am going by reports by egypt and israel...... so there is no breakdown of exactly what is being smuggled thru the tunnels....

what I know, is aid / weapons and commercial goods are been smuggled in.... thru over 300 tunnels..... unfortunately the red cross is not able to provide exact numbers as they are not in control of the tunnels and nor are the aid foundations....

israel is being fired on with chocolate flavoured and chocolate powered missles ???? ok..... are they foil wrapped or just plain chocolate

you really have to ask yourself, where the missiles are getting into the gaza strip, if they are not coming in by plane, ship or border control....and there is tunnels under the ground that israel actively states, are not monitored

now I am realistic... you are not gonna be able to smuggle in 600 ton a day thru tunnels.... and nor am I suggesting that its going on on that scale.....
so aid is a loose term, but a backpack of meds or a field medics pack is actually a lot of meds for basic treatment and first aid ....... and thats just one person.....

you have 7 people, two carrying med packs, 2 carrying rgps and 3 carrying food..... thats a lot of stuff for a militant cell...... ( in english, a unit of about 7-10 people )

tho I really have to ask, the tonnes of aid going into gaza, is it getting to the kids or is it being stockpiled by the *ruling * groups..... as happens in a lot of aid distribution areas in other countries

[DuckiesDarling]

Yeah some are biased but the reports are real. They would rather deny aid to people who need it than accept anything that is coming over from Israel.

[hardnbubbly]

It is not on the CNN.. It is a user posted item. It says not vetted by CNN

Thanks DD
re: post 624
This has not been reported in Canada CBC, Globe and Mail nor the National Post (a conservative National newspaper). All are reputable news sources. When I read the first post, I can see that it would probably be rejected as a biased emotional rant rather than accurate news reporting in Canada. Strange that it is under the CNN banner. It is not under a New York Times search nor the BBC webpage search. I notice the reference to Fox news in the second webpage and the use of emotional rather than neutral wording.

[DuckiesDarling]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...lla-aid-israel


They refused to accept it until all activists have been released by Israel according to the guardian. I personally think that they should be more worried about feeding their people and taking care of them. However, this does send a message of solidarity with the activists and demands from Israel to return the pirated items to their rightful destination.

Its funny that all the sites you listed are Israeli propaganda sites.. do you happen to check elsewhere?

FYI.. the Hamas leadership has indication on several occasions that they would accept a Palestinian state within 1967 borders. However, if Israel is not reciprocating, I don't see why they should just offer that concession to Israel on a silver platter. The PLO did it in the early 1990's, what did they get? More settlements, more land confiscations, worse economic conditions.

I used the first two out of 20 that popped up. And Hamas has stated on many occasions there will be no peace until the Zionists are removed and they will not allow any "infidels" meaning other countries trying to broker a settlement.