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Bisexual.com's Interview with Angie Bowie
By Jon Pressick
Angie Bowie is far more than a famous last name. Yes, she was married to David Bowie. She is widely-considered as a main influence on David’s breakout years in the early 70’s. But she is so much more than just attached to that last name. A highly considered writer, musician, dj and bisexual advocate, Angie is a true renaissance woman.
Born in Cyprus, Angie spent her youth being educated in England, Switzerland and the United States. She was expelled from the Connecticut College for Women for having an affair with another student. She met David in 1969 and they married a year later. They have one son together. She also has a daughter with punk musician Drew Blood.
With the release of her autobiographical bestseller, Backstage Passes: Life on the Wild Side with David Bowie in 1993, and the fact that the delicious film Velvet Goldmine is loosely based on her life with David, you might think Angie Bowie is just another groupie. Far from it. This is a person who has continually challenged her self in many different artistic genres. She’s released an album called Moon Goddess and she recently released a new book, POP.SEX.
She is also a frequent commentator on bisexuality. In 2002 she authored the Pocket Essentials book Bisexuality. Her Lecture on Bisexuality can be found on her website, and it is definitely a provocative read. She also has a website for people to ask her questions. I caught up with her for bisexual.com via email, after missing her recent visit to Toronto for a djing gig.
What do you think are the major issues for bisexuals over the time since you discovered your bisexuality, from the 60s to present?
The major issues for bisexuals since the 1960s are visibility and health—the advent of AIDS and its discovery in the early 1980s and not being seen, not being known, having no voice, this was not a good time or a good thing. Focusing attention on the existence of bisexuality was more subtle and required more time and due diligence to make the case and consistently be sane and rational so that entertainment stereotypes of crazy bisexuals were discarded and there was a fair playing field for all sexuality. There was always an issue with venereal disease. Multiple partners and licentious behavior do not encourage good health, honesty or safe sexual practices.
One cannot allow one’s sexual behavior to upset the general good health of friends and partners by selfishly doing whatever you want with no thought as to the possibility that disease could be the result of not taking precautions.
One of the most disturbing trends in the United States are lobbyists and pressure groups who aim to influence our youth by peddling commercials and jargon vilifying termination of pregnancies and the right to choose whether one becomes pregnant and another group who are advocating preserving virginity until one marries. They have to advertise marriage because most folks apart from the odd future parent who does not have the reserve resources of a career or job training need a fiscal guarantee to care for the children.
There has been a significant growth in sex clubs and singles or couples sex clubs that swap partners etc.
The emphasis on taking sexuality to extremes bothers me and yet there is a huge difference in costuming and dress-up since the 1960s. Hopefully this has caused less sexual repression and more pleasure and satisfaction for the average person.
At least the talking points have been established so that now for some folks there is a way to live without the confines of marriage and relationships that are not satisfactory.
Without marriage we still benefit from monogamy.
Monogamy is a much more satisfactory and ethical way of dealing with relationships. Living one’s life as a Soap Opera is tiresome at best and fatal when bottom-lined!
Sexuality itself is an interesting subject and way to encourage folks to talk endlessly about themselves. We are all so sure that no-one has ever experienced our exact dilemma “sexually!” I am here to tell you that you’re wrong!
If you have experienced it; there are several million who share your experience. Terrifying though it is, just as there are aliens due to the sheer number of planets and stars so someone else has thought of what you are thinking and describing.
There are 20 million hermaphrodites on the planet at any one time. In my new book POP.SEX the collected facts about sexuality are remarkable and astounding; to the point that one’s previous conversations on the subject
melt like warm ice-cream.
Did you ever waver in your bisexuality? Did you question yourself?
Yes, of course I questioned myself. I never wavered in my belief that bisexuality is perfectly acceptable and a choice that one makes. But when you hear all the tired old cliches from drunken people in bars that you are not bisexual you must be either straight or gay and live that way. I wanted to respond, and have on many occasions, that that is even more unfair than the challenges that gay folks and women have endured for years. If I am not totally straight why should I be gay…because you say so?
Why should I abandon the sexuality that suits me because others think it is their place to tell me how to enjoy my sexuality? I would not practice any sexuality apart from that of the committed relationship in which ones finds oneself.
Who did you look up to as a bisexual icon or role-model?
Oscar Wilde. Oscar Wilde epitomizes the bisexual hero. The Ballad of Reading Gaol hastened prison reform in Victorian England. All those public School boys couldn’t bear the thought of one of their own and an Irishman enduring that sort of barbaric imprisonment for something that many of them had dabbled in at school when there weren’t any women around. Wilde’s refusal to give in to his lover, Lord Alfred Douglas’ oafish father cost him his health and career after two years of hard labor he was broken by the legal system. In the British legal system at that time it was against the law to be Gay. “One could not practice sodomy either men or women. The Church was in everyone’s bedroom.” Oscar Wilde protected his wife and children from public scrutiny and humiliation; as a result we almost did not realize what a magnificent, talented, witty and devoted bisexual father, Oscar Wilde was.
Any specific persons of note these days you look up to?
Concerning sexuality? There are a few exemplary folks around but in this time of Republican rabble, their effectiveness is lost in the cacophony of moral and religious indignation about a pat on the butt or a sneak view that shouldn’t have happened of someone’s tit. It’s all bullshit. “Thou protest too much.”
Gay marriage, there’s another non-issue that the religious right drag out when the American politicians have painted themselves into a corner. That and flag burning. Most gay people are not dumb enough to want the chains of marriage. But gay and bisexual folk should have the right to ensure succession, inheritance and health insurance for their family and loved ones. Why should they stand in the corner and feel deprived because we did not stand up and make it widespread this wonderful bill of human rights that should be in every person’s house and car has not been upheld.
How do you incorporate your bisexuality into your work and your art?
I don’t think like that. I am who I am. The word art is bandied around too much by those who want to excuse laziness with being “artistic.“ You become an artist when you have painted, sculpted or whatever your forte in the fine arts and been apprenticed at a great master’s side for 30 years.
I am not judgmental about sexuality except I have no time for pedophiles or those who torture and condemn animals to participate in bestiality.
How have you spoken to your children about your bisexuality and
bisexuality in general?
My children know my music and my books, there is no necessity to discuss it with them.
How did your parents and family react to your bisexuality?
They never reacted at all. My parents had no interest in that type of conversation . They were older; I was an afterthought!
Wisdom comes with age. Wisdom includes the lack of interest in playing selection card games as we did as children and as we reach our late 30s, the selection template of our genetic make-up scrolls through the candidates for sex as we prowl through the “need-to-procreate” years. After that time we define ourselves less sexually and more intellectually as we appreciate the breadth and width of human experience.
As humans, we do not lose our interest in sex, we define our reasons for having sex more closely. Thus before one might be driven to couple due to the desire to procreate which affects humans for 25-30 years. The first 10 years we are way too young and the middle period of our sexual prowess 25-40 affords the next generation. After that we start to value the relaxation, decreased stress and all round good times of sex for exercise and well-being.
Your art has spanned many different genres...can you tell us what you’re working on currently?
I am involved in writing several books with some very good friends. I think I had better wait before making any press releases on those projects. And we are selling POP.SEX.
What types of art you might like to revisit?
I am assembling a new album of music and spoken word called Fancy Footwork. Stage work where I can still light up a stage and chew down the scenery!
What currently message do you have for the members of bisexual.com?
Enjoy life with your career, your talent, your children, your job, your family. Find endeavors that maximize your creativity and satisfaction. We have but one life, all the rest is smoke and shadows. Promises of life after death notwithstanding, surely there must be points for having enjoyed a corporal existence while in the physical plane. That’s my lot!
(c) Copryight 2005 Jon Pressick
Jon Pressick is the Feature Articles Editor for bisexual.com. He recently co-produced, with Xtra!, the world’s first queer literary festival, Writing Outside the Margins. Hi lives and works in Toronto, Canada.
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Well - well - well..Hooray for Angie.
I have done many veryu interesting things in my life and one of them was to become involved in a bisexual rap group in Boston from 1973 to 1975 (three winters). It happened in my Living room for 2 years. I listened and listened and listened. At the end of it I knew more about sexuality than ANYONE. Also I began to realize that there are more bisexuals than anything else - homos and heteros. And today, with all the sexual liberation of the last40 years, I believe there are more bi's than homos + heteros + cellibates !!! Especially among the 20 year-olds. Us older ones are mostly in the closet.
Thank the Great Mystery for Angie. She is kicking the closet door down!
Crazy Owl Bi at 80 and public.
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It was during those "bowie years" that I almost came out of the closet, but now I'm glad I stayed safely inside!
Society's whims tend to make radical changes, since HIV/AIDS?SIDA has raised it's ugly head, it's not "trendy" to be gay/bi/lez!
I'd hope the day would arrive when the "status quo" wouldn't deem us aliens, but so far..."they" have!
I appreciate the Bowies for their outspokeness, while others are too afraid. Sadly this fear is death...
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richarddennis
It was during those "bowie years" that I almost came out of the closet, but now I'm glad I stayed safely inside!
Society's whims tend to make radical changes, since HIV/AIDS?SIDA has raised it's ugly head, it's not "trendy" to be gay/bi/lez!
I'd hope the day would arrive when the "status quo" wouldn't deem us aliens, but so far..."they" have!
I appreciate the Bowies for their outspokeness, while others are too afraid. Sadly this fear is death...
don't be afraid.
who says life is easier in the closet?
Who care if it not trendy to be gay/bi?
Why isn't Angie Bowies' bisexual hero her ex husband David?
str8 ppl can get AIDS too and many have it, spread it, and do not know they have it since they think it disease for gay men and junky.
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While I applaud your "outness", it is not for everyone!
Society tends to treat "outsiders" with a grim determination, whether it be confrontational or behind your back!
I sincerely hope your "outness" never depreciates your quality of life, but I know only too well that even "well meaning" family members and friends, let alone, coworkers or BOSSES/government disregard equality and consider bisexuals as little more than gays and ARE threatened immensely!!
While you may be overjoyed to flaunt your "openness" there are many of us that are downright afraid and with good reason to be!
Living in gay/bi/les friendly areas is one thing, living in the real world is...reality!
I wish you only the best, but hope you never become "dead right"...the lingering reality of our constitutional rights are swell in court...but on the street you might be surprised...
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Has anyone here figured out what connection that photo has with the article?
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The photo is of the author of the article...me!
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tradeqt
The photo is of the author of the article...me!
Thank you, Mr. Pressick, for reliving that confusion, because I was like, that doesn't look like Angie Bowie.
*Taylor*
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TaylorMade
Thank you, Mr. Pressick, for reliving that confusion, because I was like, that doesn't look like Angie Bowie.
Perhaps Angie Bowie is the young lady who is curiously positioned with her head between Mr. Pressick's legs? Or is that just me lettiing my imagination run wild... :rolleyes:
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Oh, thank you! I'm so happy to know that Angie Bowie doesn't have a beard and 'stash.
;)
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Skater Boy
Perhaps Angie Bowie is the young lady who is curiously positioned with her head between Mr. Pressick's legs? Or is that just me lettiing my imagination run wild... :rolleyes:
Hehehe, I wondered if anyone would notice that!
No great story there, other than an eager photographer trying to get a good shot....of the band on stage!
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Hey yall was wonderinin if there was any hot sexy bi chiks i herre holla back now!
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frankly, I don't care about celebrities, thanks.
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when is a new article going up for us to read?
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Nice article. Bring Angie around with a fifth of Johnny Walker Red and see what I come up with -Buster Highman, City Affairs desk, The Patriot, Nashville, TN :male::male::female::stoned:
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How long is long enough, to leave one artical up,Shouldn't this one be burried already??
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Is there a way to hide this article? I'm kind of tired of seeing it personally...
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Yup, we gotta agree. Time to change the article. Been up there way too long. Let's move on.
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normally i mnot one to be pissed of but the fact that this articale has been up here for ever makes me mad
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You're absolutely correct Johnny! Please...give us something new!
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This interview with Angie Bowie was interesting, but i take exception to her assertion that "Monogamy is a much more satisfactory and ethical way of dealing with relationships. Living one’s life as a Soap Opera is tiresome at best and fatal when bottom-lined!"
Given that this might be an edited version of her remarks, Jon, do you believe she is saying that monogamy is "more satisfactory and ethical" than.... polyamory? Open relationships? More satisfactory for whom? She can speak for herself, frankly. Polyamorous relationships can be just as ethical as monogamy. Or is she comparing monogamy to cheating, with her reference to life as a soap opera?
hadra
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how about changing this article? I'm tired of looking at that ugly picture for the last 3 months
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2Hoteez4U
how about changing this article? I'm tired of looking at that ugly picture for the last 3 months
2hoteez4u - I can just imagine the kind of peron you are , you've already proven who the ugly one is. Cheap shots like this are very unbecoming.
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I truly wish people would realize that this is a FREE site...you are getting a great deal for absolutely NOTHING....cheap shots and insults are hardly necessary. If you are tired of the article and the picture...don't look at it!
Kate
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Oralguy
I wish CSR would go someplace else.. she tends to think she owns this site and the chat room.. and it's people like here who dominate and think they
should decide who is bisexual and who isn't...
Maybe she would be better off tending to her husband instead of being on
the computer on this site all the time... I wonder if she has a 'government'
job or something..
good day!
Oral, people in glass houses should not cast stones. I have seen both Kate and you on this site since you both joined. And from the positive things that she has contributed to so many here over the years and the negative input you always seem to bring to the chat room, maybe your the one who would be happier not coming here. A dominate person is one who belittles others that do not conform to your ideas and constantly attacks people like Kate. Kate has NEVER forced her ideas on anyone, but she is more like a magnet. People come to her not because she demands or dominates, but because she reaches out to others value her opinions. She says nothing about who is or is not bisexual, quite frankly I detest the bisexual label. We are all sexual people from all parts of the world who come here to hopefully gain a positive experience. Like she said, Drew has given us this wonderful site FREE of charge and I for one am grateful. There are things here I care not to see. But rather than flame those who work so hard to keep this site here, I just ignore assholes who come here and promote hatred. Now that you have opened ANOTHER asshole can of worms, I await you and others like you to attack me now. Aqain Drew, thank you and Jon and all those on your staff for giving us a place to come to express our wants, needs, joy and tears.
CMM (chatter since 2003)
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Oralguy
I wish CSR would go someplace else.. she tends to think she owns this site and the chat room.. and it's people like here who dominate and think they
should decide who is bisexual and who isn't...
Maybe she would be better off tending to her husband instead of being on
the computer on this site all the time... I wonder if she has a 'government'
job or something..
good day!
Talk about cheap shots and insults. Right on the money, aren't you?
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Oralguy
Yet she is the one who was insulting someone...
Where is this insult? I can't see it.
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Oralguy
can you see what I mean about the men 'protecting' a woman when she is trying to rule the site.. see what I mean?
No, I don't see what you mean. All I see is that Kate says that insults and cheapshots are unnecessary, and you go right ahead with insults and cheapshots.
Want proof? Here's proof.
Kate says:
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I truly wish people would realize that this is a FREE site...you are getting a great deal for absolutely NOTHING....cheap shots and insults are hardly necessary. If you are tired of the article and the picture...don't look at it!
That's ALL she says.
You say:
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I wish CSR would go someplace else.. she tends to think she owns this site and the chat room.. and it's people like here who dominate and think they
should decide who is bisexual and who isn't...
I can't really decide if this is an insult or a cheapshot, it kinda qualifies as both.
And then you say:
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Maybe she would be better off tending to her husband instead of being on
the computer on this site all the time... I wonder if she has a 'government'
job or something..
That's quite a cheapshot, and also an insult. Actually, 2 in one. Now, what kind of FUCKED UP understanding do you have if you can't see that for yourself?
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This is what happens in chat too.
It does? All I see there is some guy talking about tasting cum with a couple and yada yada, named Oralguy or Orallybi4cpl, who is apparently the same person AND completely fucked in the head.
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Just so a guy can get on the GOOD side of her...
Too bad you will never get on the good side of anyone. The only side you're getting on right now is the bottom side of my foot.
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Yet she is the one who was insulting someone...
Proof. I dare you. You already have 3 insults to make up for, idiot.
Yeah "oh well".
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This is American and this is the treatment that bisexual men get. It's a wide spread problem... now if you're a bisexual woman .. well then... that's another story.
It is? I don't get treated "that way" (whatever the hell that may mean). The only one who is treated "that way" is YOU. Now, did you EVER consider to think that YOU might be the problem here?
*edit*
To top it off, Oralguy just came into the chat and says this:
Oralguy: what do you expect from a communist hiding out in belguim
Yeah Oralguy, really, I have no idea why you can't get on somebody's good side. Really.
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curious married m
Oral, people in glass houses should not cast stones. I have seen both Kate and you on this site since you both joined. And from the positive things that she has contributed to so many here over the years and the negative input you always seem to bring to the chat room, maybe your the one who would be happier not coming here. A dominate person is one who belittles others that do not conform to your ideas and constantly attacks people like Kate. Kate has NEVER forced her ideas on anyone, but she is more like a magnet. People come to her not because she demands or dominates, but because she reaches out to others value her opinions. She says nothing about who is or is not bisexual, quite frankly I detest the bisexual label. We are all sexual people from all parts of the world who come here to hopefully gain a positive experience. Like she said, Drew has given us this wonderful site FREE of charge and I for one am grateful. There are things here I care not to see. But rather than flame those who work so hard to keep this site here, I just ignore assholes who come here and promote hatred. Now that you have opened ANOTHER asshole can of worms, I await you and others like you to attack me now. Aqain Drew, thank you and Jon and all those on your staff for giving us a place to come to express our wants, needs, joy and tears.
CMM (chatter since 2003)
Agreed. Oralguy can perch and spin for all I care. Kate's a sweetheart and I shant stand for his tomfoolery any longer.
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Oralguy
you set the example I was referring to.. ya want to be on the good side of CSR huh.. ok.. be that way.
No, I do not want to be on Kate's good side, i just have a problem with assholes like you.
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you proved the point I was making.. enjoy
Is that right? How so? Please elaborate, instead of quoting a ton of text and not replying to it.
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Oralguy
can you see all the love here? thank you CSR for your inspiration... well done. oh and those gays who come here looking for sex.. don't you have enough sites to go to?
this is for BISEXUAL people..
bisexual means both....male and female...
heck
Just for the record..for those of you who do not know me....I never knowingly insulted anyone without provocation nor have I ever promoted hate. I have no idea why this man dislikes me so much...and frankly, at this point, I no longer care. I just want to make sure that no one believes his rants since he can't seem to let the subject die.
Hugs,
Kate
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Oralguy
can you see all the love here? thank you CSR for your inspiration... well done. oh and those gays who come here looking for sex.. don't you have enough sites to go to?
this is for BISEXUAL people..
bisexual means both....male and female...
heck
Why are you quoting all that when you're not even answering? OMFG TROLL!
Oralguy on a good day:
http://communitiesonline.homestead.c...es/troll_2.jpg
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I'll stand up for Kate as well. She is a sweetheart and I love her dearly. It's not just men who are standing up for her. It's us gals as well. Kate has never pushed anything upon anyone and she definitely doesn't just throw around insults at other people.
As far as anything else you have to say...I have no comment. Morons like you aren't worth the time it would take for me to type out a response.
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Oralguy,
You sem to have a problem with wearing shoes that fit. Might I suggest you seek a different cobbler?
This here site, we've seen'em come and go and one thing I know is that Kate has been a friend to me and tries to be a friend to everyone on this site.
She has never tried to "rule " this site, just to reach out and be there for those of us that need her.
So...
My suggestion is tat you go looking elsewhere. Because this here pond, its been poisoned for you, by you.
Of course there is a high likelyhood that you may not understand what I am saying. So let me try to put it simply.
Go find somewhere else, somebody else to pick on. We like Kate.
Cheers, and swift Journey
Marie
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OOOOOH Kate :eek: I have told you once before and will tell you again.
The cookie should be on the left hand and the whip on the right hand... geeeze...lol :tongue:
Love you Kate!! :)
~Delilah
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Oralguy,
First let me say that I am Belle and I am a woman. I am the straight wife of a bi man. I must take exception to your comments about Kate, a respected, admired and well tempered member of this site. What makes you assume that only men and gays would be interested in coming to the defense of Kate? One’s gender, sexual orientation, color, shoe size, hair color or any other characterization has NO bearing on who is welcome here. Members here are responding to rude comments made by YOU Sir and not the person you insulted.
I find that your comments were unfounded, judgmental and without merit. How dare you make assumptions on who may and may not come onto this site? It is an open site, a free one as has been mentioned, for all who seek many things…and if you think it is just for sex as you have commented then you really are out of the loop, off the mark, missed the target.
For many of us, it is a community in which all are welcome, even buffoons like you. Unfortunately you have brought out what seems to be an alarming influx of narrow minded rude individuals who for no apparent reason, find it necessary to agitate and cause consternation to a group of people who should be supportive to others and not malign each other. I know that I have personally seen your actions in the chatroom and will agree that perhaps you should sign up for a class in decorum for it might be wise to educate yourself so you do not continue to make a spectacle of yourself. For your actions are a clear reflection upon YOU and no one else. Opinions, be they in agreement or want to show a differing viewpoints are welcome. But ones does not have the right to be insulting and hurtful to anyone, that is poor form.
Your comments about Kate attending to her husband show the depths of your ignorance and intelligence, or lack there of. You could not be so lucky to have a fine woman as she attend to you. But then again Kate is a smart, caring, witty woman there is no way you would peak her interest. As far as your comment about government workers….oh that was just another example of your pea brain. Gee….I wonder what is smaller than a pea……..nah, I will give you at least that much.
These comments are my own and I really don’t care what you say about me as I am sure you will.
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This is a difficult post to write and perhaps it shouldn't be written. It will probably offend a lot of folks. I offer no apologies because this is how things are seen on my end. You don't need to read further, if you don't want.
Folks here on the site are adults. At least they say they are adults. I'm starting to have doubts if I'm an adult. If I view what other adults are engaging in on a site what supplies a free public service, doubts exist.
Let us all step back a minute and give ourselves a few stipulations.
1. We only know of each other what is posted here.
2. Some of us do enjoy a bit of fantasy.
3. Entropy has no prejudices.
Here's where I whir around all bigger than life with double barreled shotgun and splatter what or whoever just happens by. You might want a duck, or even a goose.
From what I've seen here of Kate, an image is created. She appears to be a nice lady. Notice I'm not saying she is a saint. I've recently began to take strong issue against some of her actions, least some directly concerning myself. I don't imagine anyone enjoys being told how they feel or don't feel. There you are Kate, it's out in the open.
And I'm resolved to something in regards to Kate. She shall not tell me how I feel or don't ever again. She can ask me all she wants. I'll only reply that I'm good. She doesn't have to accept that answer, well actually in a way she does. :-) I'm not airing problems around her, or to her any more. She reminds me too much of my mother, who leans too far to drama.
So to hell with talking to Kate as a compassionate and nice lady friend. I won't do it anymore. That's just my own issue. I'll still talk to Kate respectfully, civilly and happily. But, as far as letting her know how things are going in my life, ... s'all good. And that's all she personally will get from me.
She might ask around a bit. I can't stop her from doing that. And if she's really a nice lady, a good friend, I suppose she will ask about me. I ask about her and cmm, smurf, Dog at times. We've formed a bit of friendship based on what we've come to know of each other here.
That's why I can see both sides of the coin in this argument. If you're inclined to call two year old children bickering over who likes them the most, arguing. Some great bit of profound adult nature on display from all parties here, I tell you, and if I'm honest and I am, I'll include myself. I wasn't going to write this, but some kid inside said "hey, help these guys out and show them 'the way' again."
And the way is simple. It's called self discipline, moderation, respect and ultimately compassion. You see I've been through various different pits folks call Hell. I keep crawling, fighting tooth and nail back out. They've decided to even start supplying me with an automatic ejection seat, they fear I'll take over. And in these journeys of darker tea times with a soul, I've learned it isn't Hell you need to worry about.
Hear that silence? Smell that lifeless odor, not even death smells that way. See those unlit eyes staring back from an endless hollowness? That's a beast called entropy. It happens when folks relinquish control of hope to hate. And I believe somewhere along the line I read Drew saying, maybe not in these exact words, but "We hope you enjoy the site and getting to know others, creating a family of kindred spirits."
Now, all y'all start acting right. There's powerful magik at work here, called Hope. You want to let the entropy beast win, fine. Step outside where the dragon eats you like French fries, see if we care. We do, but damned if we'll stop you from making a personal stand.
Okay, I've filled the fantasy for the day. Ben sits the cane down he was using to represent the shotgun. Run it slow folks.
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Re: Bisexual.com's Interview with Angie Bowie
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYUUUUM!!!!!:eek:
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Re: Bisexual.com's Interview with Angie Bowie
Just some food for thought, and the person who this is directed at will know (unless he's a complete idiot):
Sometimes, when one asks for advice, one doesn't always hear what one wants. That's your problem, not the person who gave you the advice. Grow up and get over it.
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Re: Bisexual.com's Interview with Angie Bowie
Allbi, have a seven course meal with your food there.
I have grown up and gotten over a lot, thank you for noticing. What I'm driving at is this, and it's as much my problem as it's Kate's. I'll ask for advice or state my problems. Then I hear about how I'm too gloomy, or too sad. I just think "whatever", but it does something else inside.
It creates self doubt and lots of time with unneeded analysis. And this brings anyone down. It makes you think "gee, I'm not living to their expectations so I must be a horrible person." Then you get self pity fests.
This is me saying "fuck that!" I'm not here to meet anyone's expectations, nor is anyone here to meet mine, I'd wager. So if me relating little bumps in the road of my life causes someone to expect me to be something, then I'll not bother talking about the bumps.
I don't need or want pity, most of all from myself. Fuck that, I keep on keeping on. I am happy and all is good. That's now your reply, too allbi. Apologies I need to distance friends, but it's for everyone's best interests.
If I don't and you folks keep on telling how miserable I am, then yeah it might be a misery to clean up later. Again, fuck that ... not an option.
Survivors don't need, or rather are unable to speak with others about problems. If we do then we cause more problems. I know it's said it's good to talk things through, get it out and all that, but it may not be best in all cases. So it's all good here, don't need pity.
Oh and by the way, guess I am a complete idiot. But then again, consider the source, my friend. C'ya.