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..and what are you talking about doing to a helpless infant?? Words are less forceful than a scalpel.... and they can be forgotten... which is more than a circumcised child can ever do about his little op......Quote:
Originally Posted by shybipinay
.. and telling people to "drop fucking dead" is sure to win you your argument...
no I actually believe what people themselves tell meQuote:
Originally Posted by QueerandLoathing
the simple truth is I went and found out what made up a lot of the * facts * and the data behind it and how it was collected....
so tell me, einstein, is every dick identical in sensation and feeling that it can be accurately recorded ????
you can believe the data sheets that rely on what people say they are feeling.... and I will rely on what people say they are feeling....
one of us is hearing it from the horses mouth, one of us is believing that if its on the web, it most be the truth.....
the same applies to circumcision, the medical facts such as numbers done, to how many and how many went right and how many went wrong... are based around the medical records..... yeah i would accept that to be as accurate as the medical logs are
but I also understand that your dick and my dick are different, and the way you stroke your dick and the way I stroke my dick are different, and that the sensations and feelings that we will have are different......
is that a clear indication of cut vs uncut sensation loss ????
according to you it must be.....
according to me its like testing the air in 30 different countries and saying its all breathable and fine, but having people in some countries telling me the smog is so bad they have severe lung issues
so yes I am a quack... I must be... I actually learnt about the collection of the data cos I was curious as to why there are 9 different sets of data for the exact same thing
9 sets ???????? that would not be possible.... unless the data is inaccurate and flawed..... cos if the data is accurate, there would be one set....
so its back to the issue again, you can believe stuff thats copied and pasted from the web and supports your opinion.... I will believe the people I talk to about their own personal experiences...
My personal experience is that I'm happy the way I am, and it's not cause I don't know any better (as some would imply it was). Neither do I ridiclue others for not being cut. Just let them be and accept them.
Innit fascinatin? Most lads in the US r cut... medical experts say..brill.. as it shud b..do it.. mosta the rest a the western world lads r uncut usually.. med experts say..brill..is as it shud b...
..1 lot makes lotsa dosh, the otha nun woteva.. wich is rite?? Well ya knos wot me thinks... an who is piggie in middle? Poor lil lads who hav no say in owt woteva an r unable 2 change a thing...cept a course the lil mites who r still able wen they r old enuff 2 make that decision for themsels..
..ahh innit brill 2 decide wot happens 2 our bodies? An innit shitty wen we allowed no say woteva?????:rolleyes:
aaah but it is hun..it is..an ya jus cant c it..how sad...:(Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey3000
Why do you have to insist how to tell others how we must feel? Stop it Fran!!! Till you grow a cock, you have no right to tell others how we must feel.
Kudos to youQuote:
Originally Posted by Pasadenacpl
This is not bout u Pasa or ne 1 who has already been circumcised..this is bout those yet 2 b.. patronisin? o well.. sumtimes bein patronisin is a way a expressin how distasteful me finds sum things...
It seems to me that some posters are on a crusade about circumcision. Like most guys who are circumcised, I don't really think about it. It doesn't keep me up all night worry about what bastards that my parents were to me to mutilate me. If it did, I would suggest to myself to seek out counselling as I would have an issue to deal with...lol
It remains a personal choice decision. I understand that most guys are not circumcised in Europe. Is there a country that absolutely bans male circumcisions? There doesn't seem to be any country where properly done male circumcision have resulted in a conviction. There have been cases where parents have disagreed about giving permission and they ended up in court. In Australia Queensland, it has been determined that technically a doctor may be charged with assault for performing an infant male circumcision but not one doctor has been charged. Neither the State nor any individual has laid a charge.
There are examples where botched circumcisions have ended up in the court and doctors have been found liable for their mistake in a botched circumcision but none for doing what is approved as a medically correct procedure.
Guys that want to regrow their foreskin as adults are doing so for aesthetic reasons. Some claim to have regained more sensitivity but not a majority of circumcised guys in North America are even considering this procedure. There must be a reason why they don't. They see no need or no big deal. Get over yourselves is what they would tell someone who would say that they are mutilated. Oh...look that is what guys are posting here...lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision_and_law
Fran
It is about us...those who have been circumcised. We are telling you to get over yourself. The male babies who are getting circumcised right now if they fast forwarded would tell you the same thing in twenty years. If they become a minority in North America, they may agree with you but it is the norm still.
Besides I have a huge mistrust issue with the medical establishment as of late. If my forskin was used to help find a cure for some disease, all the better. But lately, the focus of finding cures for diseases has gone by the wayside in favour of managing and controllint the disease. Remeber people there is no $$$ in curing disease, but there is plenty in managing it.
" For someone who lives in a nation that would be speaking German right now if it weren't for us, that's pretty damned funny."
Oh...for gawd sakes Pasa...lol
I was right with you up until this last sentence. Gee...let's not start an argument about how glorious and wonderful that the US was by "winning" da war...cuz it just is not so...except those who buy that from their government....fock sakes man...lol
It is not the norm in North America? I am referring to North America. You may know men who believe that their penis is mutilated but I know of none. Are you one of these circumcised North Americans who are angry? If you are one of these North American angry circumcised men, why not lay charges against the doctor and your parents? Test the laws or stop whinning.
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Originally Posted by QueerandLoathing
Pasa
I think that we also have to be realistic. Most "straight" guys do not talk about their dick at all with their buddies once past 15 or so...:eek:
You know what bothers me about all the "facts and figures" quoted in this thread?? They are all skewed. How you ask? This is how I see it. 100 men are asked various questions regarding sexuality. One of those questions is "are you circumcised".
Now in the US, most of the 100 men would say yes to that question. Let's deal in round numbers here. So say 80 of the men responded they were circumcised. 80% of the men. That's about right, probably higher. Now out of those 80 men, 50 reported premature ejaculation problems. That's half the circumcised men but only 40% of the entire survey.
See what I mean about skewed data? Researches on most googled sites are in it for their own reasons. Show me one impartial study backed by people with no agenda to push and it might be fair.
To be completely honest with this, just for guys.
Answer these questions.
1. Have you had problems with premature ejaculation?
2. Do you have problems with erection failure?
3. Do you have sensitivity problems, either increased or decreased?
4. Are you circumcised?
Answer it honestly....then we'll get a better idea of what is really out their versus what is posted by people getting funding from various lobbies.
LOL!!! dude, I think you're a chick. You really don't have a clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by QueerandLoathing
What? How old are you?
I wrote that "straight" men do not discuss their dick amongst their friends. They will discuss it with their girlfriend wife before a male straight buddy. They may not even know if their buddies are cut or uncut, unless they have seen each other naked in the locker room. Why would they discuss it? Masturbate? Guys over 30 who are married will not discuss it with other straight guys unless they are a bit drunk and not getting any from their wife.
* waits for comment about how QL has so many straight buddies who are married who talk to him constantly about their dick and masturbating:cool:
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Originally Posted by QueerandLoathing
LMFAO!Quote:
Originally Posted by tenni
More kudos here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasadenacpl
Sorry Franny, you're on our ignore list as are all the "fake" handles on this thread.
As for the "side note", we listed the "fake" handles in an earlier post on this thread.
How does it feel to be talking to a brick wall?