Article re: circumcision

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tenni

*puts away the "victim card".:cool:
Searches through desk for another explanation for my sweet tooth:bigrin:

---

I wouldn't put that card away just yet. There are those that believe refined sugar is a drug. Or at least a form of one. Like caffiene is also considered a drug. Refined sugar can be highly addictive and could certainly explain the high incidence of diabetes as we get older. Although studies are now claiming that aspects of Hep B vaccinations may also be large factors in creating diabetes in older people.

It makes sense from a corporate point of view to somehow keep us addicted to certain foods and adding refined sugar is one way to ensure we will keep stufffing ourselves. Bottom line = profit margin not our good health and well being. Now, that's what we should be debating, not whether circumcision is necessary or a mutilating evil.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tenni

Thanks Rissa for your in person observations. That is proof. Do you know if they used a local anesthesia? (not that it will change me personally because I don't believe that I was anesthestised).

A funny side note is that my mother was a great horder of bills. We found the bill for my circumcision as we were cleaning up her house. By today's standards, it was cheap. I think that I might still have that bill hanging around somewhere. So, in one respect, I still have a memento of my circumcision of my former foreskin. :bigrin:

---

We also have our son's receipt. $199.00, which is a couple hundred lower than it was a few years earlier with the same doctor.

Once again FYI:

http://www.pollockclinics.com/circum...on-before.html


This clearly details the step by step process including pain killers and anesthesia. We were present and witnessed the entire procedure, in fact, the Doctor makes quite a point of thoroughly describing the step by step and walking all the parents through the process. He does the operation in groups. I think 5 per group.

Note, this process (web link) is not the most common procedure. Most of you are probably familiar with the "Plasti-bell" procedure which is not as safe, or pain free as the mogen-clamp method.

As for parents not being able to interpret a baby's cry and what it means - get fucking real!!! The person who said this obviously is not a parent. I could go on, but I have other more important things in life than to argue with blind idiots who can only call others blind. There's nothing worse than someone forcing their agenda on another because they believe they are so almighty and righteous.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ontheside

Wow, groups of 5 or so. God! That sounds so much like doctors of the 1930s and 1940s lobotomizing so many patients at a time! And they were so flamboyantly doing the world a favor... remember?


Sorry Shybipinay, you bypassed the main issue with *yawn* so predictably... so old and worn out and worthless argument...

Shybipinay, do something invigorating... challenging... new...
Grab your wife, tie her to a board, slip her some date rape drug so there is no pain remembered, and give her a good old fashioned female circumcision!
Then let's hear her sing the joyous chords of harmony to mutilation!
Circumcision for men!
Circumcision for women!
All are equal and good (as by all moral standards)
Yea!

I suspect that even though her pain cannot be an issue, suddenly the pro mutilation folks will spaz and overreact... kind of like the
DO NO HARM, anti mutilation, anti molestation folks sound.
Wow.
Shocking.
Like I said. Do something new. Or say something (anything) that has validity.
You could be honest and say "I was wrong". THAT WOULD BE SHOCKING AND NEW FROM A PRO MUTILATION PERSON.
But honesty is not allowed in neurotic denial. Carry on the twisted path!
You had to be right!
You couldn't be wrong!
If one argument for neurotic denial fails - RUN TO ANOTHER!
Jesus f****** Christ...
People are so...
unable to rise above the very bottom...
bottom feeders...
LOL Adolph Hitler made several observations about you people...
...and by working you people... put him at the top... for a while.
Yet you have no self recognition, no self examination.

---

Damn...where are the lobotomy doctors when you need them :bigrin:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by rissababynta

Damn...where are the lobotomy doctors when you need them :bigrin:

---

Tee hee.. u r awful sumtimes u r!!!:tong:

http://badsweaterguy.typepad.com/.a/...8827970b-800wi

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Dr Seuss

Then, when every last cent of their money was spent,
The Fix-It-Up Chappie packed up. And he went.
And he laughed as he drove In his car up the beach,
“They never will learn. No. You can’t Teach a Sneetch!”

---

:tongue::rolleyes:

.............

just to say, that i'm circumcised and also have problems with lack of sensibility.
i notice that since me and my friends started masturbating and i could see that i needed a lot more time to cum.
Now that i have had some sex experiences, i can confirm that, it takes a lot of time to cum and it's frustrating sometimes.
It's also nearly impossible to me to cum by oral sex.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by rissababynta

Damn...where are the lobotomy doctors when you need them :bigrin:

---

Touche!!! However, please do not repost the quote as we have this troll on our iggy list and quoting him then allows us to see his posts. It's obvious from this person's drivel that it's not worth reading, quoting or re-posting thru the quote process whatever he thinks is important to say.

Howcome we're not hearing from the other 2 personae of this troll?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ontheside

Your anger is reasonable.
Neurotic denial is a common human condition.

However:
1. Mutilation is destruction of healthy tissue.

2. If you break a window, you have broken a window.
If you burn a board, you have burned a board.

3. If you of your free will cause an innocent infant to be tied to a holding board, then cause someone to proceed to rip, tear, cut away a large fraction of the most sensitive skin of the penis. Causing the child to typically experience only 1/2 the feeling he otherwise might have felt throughout his adult sex life while the child screams in pain and fear... then that is what you have done.

It is true that 1/5000 men (lifetime, not per year) do acquire a mucus membrane virus and live long term with such abysmal hygiene that they do, decades later acquire penile cancer.

It is also true that 100% of the men subjected to this (popular, legal) mutilation lose an absolute theoretical minimum 1/4, typically 1/2, and often more (than 1/2) of the feeling they otherwise would have had in their penis. And these figures fail to take into account the destruction of dynamic feeling due to destruction/limitation of the blood supply.

It's also true that doctors/interns/hospitals make money from the removal and subsequent sale of the foreskin. Just another money making tactic like the 'extended warranty' pushed at many stores.

If you jump any male on the street and do this to him, it is defined as rape/molestation/assault. Yet in certain societies, if you do it to your own child you are legally exempt.
But it doesn't change the truth of what you did.
The destruction/mutilation was not an 'improvement'. They certainly added nothing. They removed nothing diseased.

Yes, sometimes there are rare severe problems with the foreskin later in life; usually dealt with easily with non surgical methods. But of course in the USA where the knife is king, virtually any problem with the foreskin has one keen answer.

We also have a neato word that disguises the nastiness of what we do - circumcision ( round cut); rather than the descriptive "mutilating an innocent baby's penis".

If your pet is old, suffering, and you take it to the vet we avoid the correct descriptive "I'm taking my pet to be killed" by disguising the act, "put it down" or "put it to sleep". LOL, of course you're not putting your pet down, it's not just going to sleep, you have chosen to kill it.

In a matter as important as doing the terrible deed to a baby, should we hide behind neurotic denial and euphemisms? Or is it possible we can be honest.

And gang, there is no medical indication for routine/mass circumcision. I've read every one of the above excuses, all are false, they've all been tried before for many decades. All are false. Your feelings are/were valid, but to harm a baby for your feelings... is something... every adult must morally use every bit of knowledge/wisdom/thought to avoid harming innocents. This is a nothing more than a social custom that should have died 100 years ago.

---

you are one messed up individual. did your parents beat you?

Isnt it astonishing what some consider a messed up human being? Most of us are I suppose.. some much less than others would like to make out...:)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ontheside

Plus,
"studies" just like the AIDS/circumcision "studies"
have correlated
rape and circumcision. The logic being that leftover anger, mimicking violence of the circumcision, unfelt/unexpressed physical sexual feelings lead to a clearly higher percentage of men raping women, and more forceful sex to compensate for what they 'should' be feeling.

---

LOL!!! Are you for fucking real? That is a joke, right? This entire thread is really pathetic! And I've never seen such pathetic bullshit in my life. The fear mongering and imagined mutiulation and loss of sensation is a joke.

The best judge here regarding sensation loss are males wo have had the procedure done later in life Why youldn't anyone check with them first and see how "mutilated" they feel

http://www.circinfo.net/men_circumci..._as_it_is.html

I am shocked at how pathetice some people can be.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ontheside

Failure to conform to the social custom/mentality of sexually mutilating babies... makes me one messed up individual?

Wow.

Perhaps my parents should have beaten me until I learned how to conform to even the most disgusting and immoral tenants of my social group.

Given that definition of 'messed up' ...
I choose 'messed up'.

I would have made a bad NAZI. You (and some of the other pro mutilation folks) might have lived (certainly will do anything to conform), but I would have been sent to a work camp and quickly died.

---

Sweetheart.. am in agreement with so much ya say.. even down 2 the mutilation bit.. howeva.. yav gone much 2 far 'ere an me dus draw the line...millions upon millions a peeps died in the death camps who wer circumcised.. an millions upon millions more who wer circumcised died fightin the nazis.. so try an chill a tadge willya, an think things through a lil more fore ya say owt.. :)

Yeah, it's pro circumcision to show that plenty of men are very satisfied with their cut penises.

The only radicals are those of you trying to condemn parents for "mutilating" their baby boys. I don't feel mutilated in the slightest. I'm very happy with what I got, and so are many other cut men (and our women like it too).

And ONTHESIDE, I highly doubt you're anything close to a mathematician. You obviously have a personal agenda of your own to push. You take pleasure in trying to make others feel inferior to you, and dude, it ain't gonna work. Maybe you're a lazy lover who sucks in bed and you're looking for something to blame it on? Who knows. But you really don't have any creditability at all, so I'm not too concerned with you think of me. :bigrin:

Have a nice day.
Happily cut Mikey.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by mikey3000

Yeah, it's pro circumcision to show that plenty of men are very satisfied with their cut penises.

The only radicals are those of you trying to condemn parents for "mutilating" their baby boys. I don't feel mutilated in the slightest. I'm very happy with what I got, and so are many other cut men (and our women like it too).

And ONTHESIDE, I highly doubt you're anything close to a mathematician. You obviously have a personal agenda of your own to push. You take pleasure in trying to make others feel inferior to you, and dude, it ain't gonna work. Maybe you're a lazy lover who sucks in bed and you're looking for something to blame it on? Who knows. But you really don't have any creditability at all, so I'm not too concerned with you think of me. :bigrin:

Have a nice day.
Happily cut Mikey.

---

Have no doubt u dont feel mutilated or deprived Mikey..u dont know any different.. being circumcised is all u can remember.. I am not saying that there arent millions who feel as u do.. yet there are at least as many millions around the world who are quite glad they have never been cut and that they retain their foreskin. There are also more millions who remember having a foreskin and have lost it in adulthood who can testify to how they feel about its loss.. I cant tell u that for a man sex is better with or without their foreskin.. I can tell you that I always found sex with an uncircumcised guy much more satisfying than with one who had been circumcised.. other women no doubt can say quite the opposite..

No one is trying to stop those who wish for circumcision to be done.. all we are saying is that it should only be done in childhood for good pressing and sound medical reasons where a parental decision is required.. otherwise it is up to the child..at a stage when he is able to make an informed decision.. to make that decision for himself..

.. and on the side may have no credibility with you because oif how you feel.. but he does have a great deal when you look at thee millions in the US who regret their circumcision, and the hundreds of millions in the US and other countries who have not been and never will be circumcised.

It is a matter of personal taste and personal choice.. the latter is the one which truly counts..choice... something an infant can never make, and once done, cannot be undone...

Sighs....... there is no end to this argument. It's a personal choice and up to the parents. I respect what Fran is saying, but the personal attacks and definable inflamable way of saying people who have been circumcised are mutilated and that parents who have circumcised their sons are abusers and molesters is over the top.

There may be plenty of men in the world who regret the fact they were circumcised, but as was pointed out, the parents felt they were doing the best they could for their children. On the advice of pediatricians, the ones who were trained to care for our children. I was given the pros and cons and I chose. I am not sitting here saying it was right for you, I'm saying that I made the choice for my children. And I have also stated that when they are ready to ask me, I'll explain why.

I am a mother to two young daughters, and like Frances neither like or approve of circumcision for much the same reasons as she. I am not quite so dogmatic as she however, and can understand why parents in accordance with the advice of the medical profession had their children circumcised.

It is heartwarming to see that the numbers of infant circumcisions in the USA for some years have been dropping and I hope that this trend continues. Those of you who have gone over the top about this do your cause a disservice by getting the backs up of parents of circumcised children and men who have been circumcised themselves make it so much more difficult to reach your goal. There has been from some quarters an unpleasant underlying tone which both spoils the discussion and ensures an entrenchment of position.

It is both stupid and counter productive to rant and rave about this or any matter when considered debate is much better suited to achieving an objective. To offend those you need to recruit in support of your cause creates obstacles which become much more difficult to overcome. Whether you like it or not you do need those people on your side if you are to win the argument. You will not convince anyone by being melodramatic, hysterical and offensive.

I suggest those of you who have become so hot under the collar take the weekend at least to cool off.

As parents it is our job to protect our children against disease. And the latest research does indicate that, overwhelmingly, circumcision does protect against disease.

So should I not immunize my children? Immunisation can be risky too .

Let's see if we have this right...........

havemycockneatitoo

InTheNameOfLove

IwannaFUCKALLNIGHT

Ontheside

...........are all ramming this "mutilation" thing down some of our throats. Do we see a pattern here? Could these 4 handles all belong to the same person? There are certainly alot of factors that point to that possibility not the least of which is the similar style of all his handles. Isn't that original and creative? If it's true, this person is nothing but a Troll and needs to be ignored. It's about time Drew investigated this and put this matter to rest once and for all. None of us need to be lambasted in this public forum as this zeolot is doing

Cuddlykate sums it all up rather well and should be complimented for her statements.

Don't play to this Troll. Do not reply to his incredulous claims. Do not quote his statements so that those of us who already have him on ignore don't see his comments posted as a quote in your reply. It astonishes us that he has so much time on his hands that he can write so many long winded posts that only gives cuddlykate's comments more credibility.

the basis of a forum is discussion, yes....

but discussion, not personal attacks or abuse....

like a number of guys here in the site, I am a cut male... but you do not hear me assuming that I am better than a cut male or that I am some how * not good enuf * because I am cut.....
nor may I implying that parents are abusive and cruel for having their kids circumcised.....

there is ways to express feelings like that without the BS in some of the posts

now without the use of copy and paste of stats and fiqures, I generally post from personal experience and what my friends tell me, and that is vastly different to what stats and fiqures say.

I have 7 uncut friends, one has a recurring foreskin infection issue that is not due to unclearliness and prevents them having sex much,
3 of them are fine, 2 have had later life foreskin removal due to foreskin tightening
and 2 are debating the late life cut as one is finding that a lot of ladies talk about enjoying sucking a cut cock more than a uncut cock and the other I am not really sure what his issue with

I have a number of cut friends...
about 4 of them had issues growing up with dry skin around the upper shaft of the penis and skin tearing leading to mild scarring and lack of feeling
like me they are larger than average....
a few of them, like me, talk about extra sensitive feeling on the head when we come and a uncomfortable feeling after we cum, in a mouth or a lady, with some forms of contact
most of us notice that the ladies tend to talk about a cleaner look and easier to see any signs of STI's

dammit near all of us notice that the debate between people about cut and uncut, is done by males, that males are the more aggressive and verbal about it, and in almost all of the cases, they quote facts and figures...
I know of a handful of men that can actually talk from the point of view of being cut and uncut in later life and have the knowledge and experience to offering a opinion from both sides......

strangely enuf, there appears to be no difference, it is depending on the male and their cock and each cock is different....some are more sensitive, some are not, for some being cut helps, for others uncut is better.....

now the stats and fiqures, yes the info about the cock and the damage that can be done is right, you are cutting away a part of the penis and yes it can damage a part of the penis...again for some males, there is no choice, they have to have it done later in life anyway....
but the feeling and sensitivity part is done by a survey, measure of impulses around the cock when stimulated ( wired up to a machine ) and study of reaction to stimuli to lube, rubbing etc....
now thats like taking 100 people and slamming their fingers in a door and asking if it hurts and measuring by how much from how loud they scream....
each person is different so the reaction is different for each person
its too hard to be 100% sure of a dead accurate result on sensitivity, you can only measure a persons reaction to the pain and how they percieve it

as for good and bad parents that may have their kids cut.....
its personal opinion, your opinion doesn't make a parent bad, a bad parent makes your opinion correct.....

if circumcision is cruel and unusual, you could join the greenies in new zealand that want things like cross country running banned in schools as its a form of child abuse, they want climbing structures banned as they are a danger to kids, they want games like tag banned as its a form of subtle bullying
they have got child smacking banned ( child abuse ), under the nz privacy laws they have the right to refuse you the parent the right to check their school reports, the list goes on

then they tried the if your kid fucks up, the parent should go to jail if the kid is too young, and that the parent is guilty of child abuse if their kid is obese ( never mind the fact the greenies are trying to stop kids exercising )

thats the mentality of the opposition to circumcision and the ridicule of parents that have had their kids circumcised....

btw I have parents too, they got me circumcised so judging parents, is also judging my parents and I find that a lil rude.....

right now that I have had my coffee go cold.... I will finish

one ) I am not pro or anti circumcision, I am solidly aware that later life circumcisions had to be done.... but I am not able to take one side or the other as I do not have the experience of being cut and uncut long enuf in life to make a informed choice..... like most of the anti circumcision males in the site who think they are the voice of knowledge

two ) I am not going to judge parents that made a decision... they did it with doctors under medical guidelines, if it went bad under the doctors hands, that is not the parents, its the doctors.... what I would regard as child abuse is the parents doing it at home with a scalpel and a handbook
there are no perfect parents, just those amongst us that believe that we can do a better job of rising other peoples kids....

three ) yes this one is personal and aimed at a number of people.... I have noticed time and time again, that you can talk with and to the ladies, and have a discussion.... but god help you if you try and talk to some of the males in this site, they will resort to abuse and name calling, creating multis, running people down and being general assholes.....
now I know that circumcision is done to a penis but there are times I really think the head was removed from the wrong dick

Thank-you LDD. That was very well written.

I've read all about the circumcision of male genitalia in this thread. And all I have to say, is at least they didn't have to go through the genital mutilation/circumcision/castration that some women in Egypt and other places have to go through.

Here's a link to explain what I'm talking about, if you are in the dark about this:
http://www.nocirc.org/symposia/first/badawi.html

And more on topic, I myself can't tell if a man in circumcised or not if I was blind folded and fucked a random guy. I have no preference either way... But if I was a guy, I wouldn't want to be circumcised. Evolution put it there for a reason, and I aim to keep it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christ..._b_470689.html

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kirsten79

I have been with men who are circumcised and men who have a foreskin.

I prefer a man with a foreskin as during sex, it feels better and more natural and lube does not have to be used and it does not feel like a battering ram like a cut penis does.

A penis that has a foreskin is soft and velvety while a penis that is cut feels dry and even painful if we do not use lots of lube. There's no mobility or gliding action with a cut penis like there is from a penis with a foreskin.

I've known it both ways and I know that the pain I have felt from a penis that's cut is not my fault as I am not dry, too tight, or frigid as sex feels normal and is fun when I have sex with a man with a foreskin.

When I have given cut men oral sex it does not feel clean and the idea that a cut penis is somehow 'clean' while one that still has a foreskin is 'dirty' is ludicrious.

While giving oral sex to a man that is cut he does not have a foreskin that is wonderful to lick and gently nibble and a penis with a foreskin tastes better than a circumcised penis.

As far as circumcision of infants goes this is genital mutilation.

The fact that anybody would consider cutting up a baby boy's penis is disgusting.

No parent in this day of access to information can claim that they never heard that circumcision is unnecessary, has no benefits at all, and is barbaric. If I were a boy today and my parents cut me, I would disown them as soon as I found out what they had done to me.

I am from a country where men who are circumcised are in the minority and they are usually American men and there is really no point in circumcision at all since people can wash their genitals and you do not get diseases from having sex with a man who has a penis the way nature intended it that is not cut.

I have been with men who are cut who had gross smelling cocks and thought that because they were cut they did not have to wash like everyone else does.

Smegma only builds up if a man does not shower for weeks. It's not dirty, it's just dead cells, they're not bad since they kill bacteria. A vagina has more smegma build up than any guy.

A foreskin is more natural, manly, and erotic. There's more for the lips and fingers to play with and it feels wonderful inside me.

There are quite a few risks/defects involved with circumcision. I say don't mess with the cock if it's not broken!

As far as what some Americans and Canadians on this site are saying if it’s such a wonderful surgery, then let the kid grow up and do it himself. Not one man in ten would subject himself to the surgery. I know about female circumcision and I would never subject myself to that mutilation.

The arrogance of making that decision for someone else is astounding. Skin that has to be pried loose from an infant’s penis in order for it to be cut off, wasn’t meant to be cut off in the first place.

Cut looks better? says who? They look the same when erect, except an intact penis doesn't have a scar, isn't discolored, chaffed, and dried up. You like the cut flaccid look better, huh? personally, I find it to look too exposed, it's like an ugly mutilated monster.

If I have a son with my boyfriend we will not mutilate his penis since my BF has a foreskin and circumcision is not really done in my country. In my country men who are cut get made fun of and probably feel weird that they are in the minority.

If I have a son no doctor or surgeon is going to hurt him or mutilate his penis.

I do not even know of any doctors or surgeons in my country who would even perform a genital mutilation on a baby boy.

I do not know any man who has ever had to have a circumcision later in life since he somehow had problems with his foreskin.

There's nothing wrong with having a foreskin.

Stop making excuses to mutilate your son. Don’t violate his human rights. You should be protecting him, not allowing some one with a knife to cut his penis!

---

More shock talk and BS when this is a personal choice. We never use lubes and have no problems in that regard. Your cleanliness talk is more personal opinion and from our experience pure BS.

Drop Fucking dead!!!! You too are forcing your views down other people's throats. You're welcome to your opinions but not at our expense. We have a right to our opinions no matter how misguided you think they are. Yours appear just as misguided and misinformed.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kirsten79

Are we all supposed to have the same opinion on topics? How boring would that be!

The original poster asked our opinions about circumcision and I'm giving mine and I have every right to do so. Get over it and stop your bitching. I'm not giving links or information about my doctors who are against circumcision both male and female like you are doing with your doctor who is for genital mutilation based on his religion and because he wants to make money and pretend that he cares when if he really did care he would not preform male genital mutilations. It's possible to be Jewish and against male circumcision and not all Jews circumcise or mutilate their infant boys.

:rolleyes: You have written about how you have never even been with a man that's intact with a foreskin so you are doing nothing but posting lies about how a penis that is cut is somehow 'clean' while in your opinion a penis with a foreskin is not which is pure BS.

Men who are cut can have nasty and dirty cocks too if they don't wash them.

Maybe you yourself do not dry up from your cut husband but when I had sex with cut men I did dry up frequently and we needed lube. This does not happen at all when I have sex with a man with a foreskin.

Try actually having sex with a man that's intact with a foreskin before you claim what I experienced and wrote about is BS. Of course you may not need lube since your husband's penis is small and circumcision does reduce the length and circumference of a penis. ;) Thankfully my BF has a penis with a foreskin and he's 22cm and thick.


Just because a man is intact with a foreskin that does not mean that he or his penis are somehow 'dirty'. There are such things as taking a bath, showering, and washing with soap and water like you are supposed to if you do not want to smell or be dirty.

I never said that I rejected my male lovers who are cut. I just thought that they were missing a major part of their penis that they would have loved to have and it would have given they and their partners lots of sexual pleasure if they had been allowed to stay intact with a foreskin instead of having part of their penis ripped off when they were born all for pointless reasons. I mainly felt sorry that they were not intact and instead were subjected to pointless male genital mutilation.

I said how I think that circumcision should stop on infant boys since they do not have a choice in the matter, they do not consent to it, and again there is no reason at all for anyone a man or a woman to be circumcised or have parts of their genitals that a doctor or a religion thinks are pointless or that simply must be sliced off, torn off, and mutilated as soon as they are born.

I also wrote about how in my country and in my culture male circumcision is not done at all and you do not see lots of men in Europe who have problems with their foreskin or who got HIV and other STDs just because they have a foreskin and not because they had unprotected sex with someone who has HIV or an STD. If being cut somehow did prevent HIV and STDs why do so many circumcised Americans and even Canadians have HIV and STDs in high numbers?

---

You all know who this is right? lol. Super iggy!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by shybipinay

More shock talk and BS when this is a personal choice. We never use lubes and have no problems in that regard. Your cleanliness talk is more personal opinion and from our experience pure BS.

Drop Fucking dead!!!! You too are forcing your views down other people's throats. You're welcome to your opinions but not at our expense. We have a right to our opinions no matter how misguided you think they are. Yours appear just as misguided and misinformed.

---

..and what are you talking about doing to a helpless infant?? Words are less forceful than a scalpel.... and they can be forgotten... which is more than a circumcised child can ever do about his little op......

.. and telling people to "drop fucking dead" is sure to win you your argument...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by QueerandLoathing

So you don't believe in facts with proof and data to back these facts up, you don't believe in science, medicine, or logic, and only believe in things that a very small number of your personal friends have said or claim in theory?

Gee, that's not surprising and it's not credible or something someone who is really educated would believe in or do, but what else should we expect from a real quack like you?

---

no I actually believe what people themselves tell me

the simple truth is I went and found out what made up a lot of the * facts * and the data behind it and how it was collected....

so tell me, einstein, is every dick identical in sensation and feeling that it can be accurately recorded ????
you can believe the data sheets that rely on what people say they are feeling.... and I will rely on what people say they are feeling....
one of us is hearing it from the horses mouth, one of us is believing that if its on the web, it most be the truth.....


the same applies to circumcision, the medical facts such as numbers done, to how many and how many went right and how many went wrong... are based around the medical records..... yeah i would accept that to be as accurate as the medical logs are

but I also understand that your dick and my dick are different, and the way you stroke your dick and the way I stroke my dick are different, and that the sensations and feelings that we will have are different......
is that a clear indication of cut vs uncut sensation loss ????
according to you it must be.....
according to me its like testing the air in 30 different countries and saying its all breathable and fine, but having people in some countries telling me the smog is so bad they have severe lung issues

so yes I am a quack... I must be... I actually learnt about the collection of the data cos I was curious as to why there are 9 different sets of data for the exact same thing
9 sets ???????? that would not be possible.... unless the data is inaccurate and flawed..... cos if the data is accurate, there would be one set....

so its back to the issue again, you can believe stuff thats copied and pasted from the web and supports your opinion.... I will believe the people I talk to about their own personal experiences...

My personal experience is that I'm happy the way I am, and it's not cause I don't know any better (as some would imply it was). Neither do I ridiclue others for not being cut. Just let them be and accept them.

Innit fascinatin? Most lads in the US r cut... medical experts say..brill.. as it shud b..do it.. mosta the rest a the western world lads r uncut usually.. med experts say..brill..is as it shud b...

..1 lot makes lotsa dosh, the otha nun woteva.. wich is rite?? Well ya knos wot me thinks... an who is piggie in middle? Poor lil lads who hav no say in owt woteva an r unable 2 change a thing...cept a course the lil mites who r still able wen they r old enuff 2 make that decision for themsels..

..ahh innit brill 2 decide wot happens 2 our bodies? An innit shitty wen we allowed no say woteva?????:rolleyes:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by mikey3000

My personal experience is that I'm happy the way I am, and it's not cause I don't know any better (as some would imply it was). Neither do I ridiclue others for not being cut. Just let them be and accept them.

---

aaah but it is hun..it is..an ya jus cant c it..how sad...:(

Why do you have to insist how to tell others how we must feel? Stop it Fran!!! Till you grow a cock, you have no right to tell others how we must feel.