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There will always be those who resist. There will always be those who see change from “the traditional” as nothing more than an act against them. There will always be people that want everyone else to live their lives just as they do, that too is a reality. So why not push? Why not stand up for what “we” believe in? Nothing in the world would have ever changed without those who made the stand and showed others there are other ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by shagamatic
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Ya wer doin fine tillya sed that bit Falcon babes.. jus a tad arrogant, an jus a helluva lot untrue...Quote:
Originally Posted by FalconAngel
Why is that, Darkeyes? It's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkeyes
Have you sat down and read the US Constitution? I have and, as a soldier, I swore an oath to defend it.
Note how I said that; the soldier's oath demands protection of the Constitution of the United States, not the nation, but one of it's core documents.
http://train.missouri.org/~emgeer/oathservice.html
It is our founding principles that the oath binds us to protect; not the land; not the leaders; and not even the flag.
Our Constitution is what has created the opportunities that made this country into what people wanted to come to. What people wanted to be a part of. It is why people will cross the ocean in a raft, risking their own lives, to escape tyrants.
Our Constitution and it's amendments is what has established freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of speech and all of the liberties that have allowed the expansion of science and the human condition for this nation. Something that the right wing religious nuts are trying to dismantle. It is why we are what we are and why so many of us will fight and die in it's defense.
http://www.house.gov/paul/constitutiontext.htm
Am not arguin wivya reasonin AM takin issue wiv that jus that statement an all that it implies.. it is an immensely arrogan statement 2 maket..an shows not a lil contempt for the peeps round the world an otha nations wich hav fought for an still do ther bit 2 attain an retain ther liberty an freedom.. ya MAY b the mos powerful proponent of a western idea a wot freedom an liberty mean..but ya r neitha the only..an certainly not the last..mayb in time that will prove 2 b the case..but don get ahead of yasel hun, an don attribute 2 ya country summat that is patently not so...Quote:
Originally Posted by FalconAngel
Ther r otha ideas a wot liberty an freedom mean wich r not of the western an certainly not of the 'merican model.. we may dislike them..an oppose them an try an persuade peeps 2 our way.. do NOT like much bout the western model a freedom an liberty.. cos jus don believe thats wot it means in effect.. wotyas sayin hun is ultimately ignorin every otha people's, an every otha nation's idea a liberty an freedom an imposin that a the US.. an THAT is substantially wy so many peeps r suspicious a the United States in the 1st place..thats wy so many peeps keep jumpin outa the bushes an takin yas on..
U may believe it Falcon hun.. but its a blatant nonsense.
As me dear ole pop is eva so fonda sayin.. 1 man's freedom is his neighbour's jail...
i find it sad that every time we seem to get closer to equal rights .. something pushes us back.. due to ignorance and fear.... yet not all are like this.... not everyone in the church.. believe we are bad... but so many do.. and for a place that ptalks about forgivness... love .... acceptance... it seems to fall short in many of these areas.. yes i am a christian by faith.. but no i dont go to church due to who i am. but fighting for what i believe in like equal rights... is something worth fighting for... peacefully hopefully. things sometimes get out of hand when tempers flair.. and that is what they want... for all of us as a comunity to do bad things... and prove to the world that we are evil.. mean, nasty, pervs, who want nothing more then to cause problems... the attack on the LDS churches.. yes part of me is like " yes " but the other part is going.. this is what they wanted.. so the only way to actually help and do what we all are wanting is pretty much be peaceful and not give them the amo to show the world how BAD we are and EVIL. and fighting with eachother will only cause more strife with our group... and with strife comes disorder... and with out order.. we are sure to loose anything we want...
i would have loved to marry my "wife" before she died.. but i couldnt... it wasnt legal at the time. so yes i do feel the pain of peoples beliefes being pushed down my throat and all i can say to them is " Shame on you" but it also strengthens my resolve more and makes me want to try harder to fight what i am intitled too.. and help others who need it..
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Originally Posted by darkeyes
Fair enough, then.