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The situaiton is getting silly. The Palestinians need humanitairan help. It shouldn't matter whether the help is coming from Alpha Centauri So long as it is just that - help.
The Israelis have stated that they would allow this kind of help in but the minute it starts it would seem that the Israelis had their fingers crossed.
Shame on them.
Hep
Strange but we are not getting any of this in our media? any references....I guess that I could check the Guardian or?
The ship from Lebanon and the change of heart by the Israelis was BBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by tenni
The ship from Iran is info from LDD/DD - I accept this last as occurring but should check it out like you. The claim of nefarious influence of Iran on Lebanon is LDD/DD again
Right now most of our news has crept on. 2 main themes one is oil in the Gulf of Mexico, the other is our financial mess where everyone has to tighten belts and share toilet paper, except for the banking profession who donate theirs.
I will respond to that by way of a private message......if you will allow me to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkeyes
I tried to read a lot of these posts, I have to say they WERE told to turn back and refused...so they got what they got when they decided to run it anyway....
as far as the Jews and Palestinian...
The Arabs attack Israel in the 7 day war and got there butts kicked by the Jews...the Palestinians backed the Arabs..so what are the Jews supposed to do just let them wander around causing havoc? The rest of the Arabs refused to let them into their countries.... So why not blame them for their troubles instead of Israel?
If your into religion (Bible, old testament) God said "Israel is the apple of mine eye"
I say back the Jews and try to work a peace out....The Arabs only want the Death of the Jews, and Destruction of Israel...they have said it many times with there own words and deeds...
The Jews just want to live in peace, but they aren't stupid. They have a strong military and rightly so, they need it with so many enemies wanting their death and destruction...
These are my thoughts about that, sorry if it pisses anyone off. :soapbox:
I have no objection, Adam..as long as you understand the context in which my statement was made ...Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamKadmon43
Uh, did I miss something? Didn't Israel do the initial attacking?Quote:
Originally Posted by lovescum2
Wasn't it Israel who invaded the West Bank? Wasn't it Israel who bombed the Egyptian airfields? Isn't that the "attacking" that led up to the Six Day War?
And is the winner-take-all mentality the best way to conduct foreign policy?
Just thought I'd ask.
Indeed they did.. and not only the West Bank.. and before anyone says the Egyptian build up on Suez was a precursor to an attack on Israel.. the old Eastern bloc did it frequently on the borders of western Europe, and Nato had its own little soirees on the border with the east every so often.. we still await the attack by either.. the evidence actually points to a total unpreparedness by any of the 4 arab countries involved for a war.. but then no doubt I would say that wouldn't I?Quote:
Originally Posted by R. Kestrel
..just thought I'd say it anyway...:)
No it was the Combined Arab forces that attacked Israel 1st in 1967, 6 day war.. US would not have backed them if they had started it.
Well several things led up to it but the Actual war was started by the Arabs.
Even US and Russia had conflicts that no one heard about..downed planes reported as accidents and such..so all countries involved in the war had a hand in it.
Mummy, Johnny pulled my hair
Johnny?
Well Janet scratched my hand
Janet?
Well he looked at me hurtfully
Johnny
She said that I was rats and snails and puppy dogs tails
Janet?
That's because he had more chocolate than me last week
Johnny?
Well she hurt me last...........
and so on.
There are people suffering and all they want are the essentials of life. They want them today, irrelevant of what happened yesterday. The nation that endured atrocities in the past should remind itself of the effects. How sympathy and help was extended to the sufferers and how scorn was poured on the perpetrators.
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http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...y_war_1967.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by lovescum2
Is that so?
Hep
I agree with your metaphor in post 820...lol
This situation can be analysed to death in determining who is just and who is unjust with their actions.
1/ Israel deserves to exist in the mid east now
2/ The Palestinians deserve their own country
After these points it gets really messy rather quickly when historical factors are layered on top of historical factors.
* if we can have over 820 posts on this is it any wonder that this seems a never to be resolved scenario?
Right Heph.. forgetting the past, misinterpreting it, and even lying about it is much of the reason why the mess exists.. and why hundreds of thousands of people are struggling to survive..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hephaestion
Corn today.. not after we are dead..
May I ask where you got this information?Quote:
Originally Posted by lovescum2
He certainly didn't get it in my school history lessons... or any reputable scource I can think of... maybe some little man in the pub .. even Israel accepts they began the war... its the reasons why they did so which are hotly disputed. They are actually quite proud of it... Maybe they are liars an all.. God..did I just say that???:eek: tee hee:tong:Quote:
Originally Posted by R. Kestrel
YES! Jewish people have been oppressed all over the world. Can they not remember what that felt like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hephaestion
Gina, I take your point completely. But I think the problem is that (at least in the case of the Israelis) they remember SO well what that felt like that they are willing to go to any extreme in order to avoid a repetition, including the oppression of others. That is a sad dynamic that they will have to overcome before they can hope to move forward, I fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gina7777
..and it is that decision and its consequential activity which may someday once again visit that oppression upon them... maybe they should think on that..Quote:
Originally Posted by Annika L
What my point is the Arabs were gathering forces to attack Israel. That is an attack of it self (If America had know the Japanese were sending forces to attack Hawaii and the Philippines, would they have attacked those forces...Thats the point I'm trying to make sorry if I didn't make myself clearer) ....Just because the Jews were smart enough to attack before they were finished getting ready seems like a smart move in a war were your going to be out numbered and surrounded.
..isn't it interesting how people adjust their argument when proved they were talking poop, and then accept the official line without question.. dontcha jus luff 'em?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by lovescum2
...lil question sweetheart..ur nic?? Do u mean loves cum? Or love scum? Cos its not at all clear... maybe best go away and find a nice new one to save all the confusion in my tiny mind..;)
O dear..am I being patronising again? Naughty me.. smack hands and face...:eek:
You see it your way I see it mine, we'll go our separate ways with No hard feelings either way :)
Its Loves cum 2 :wiggle2:
None on my part sweetie.. wish everyone was so nice about my warped sense of humour... and I knew exactly what it was meant to be.. I'm just a cheeky cow and couldnt resist it..:tong:Quote:
Originally Posted by lovescum2
Agreed, Fran. That's what I mean when I say they'll need to overcome this dynamic before they can move forward. When they were oppressed the first time, it was unfair, a scattered people being oppressed as scapegoats because they were an easy target. Now they've had years as a State, and shown themselves to be no small oppressors themselves (right from the start of that State). They should think, and they should act (and should have acted) with greater integrity. But I think they suffer from cultural emotional scars that do not allow them to process such things effectively...that's the nicest face I can put on events, anyway. Hopefully, they'll have a chance to grow and learn and heal...and then to help others heal.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkeyes
Unorganisation is a sad thing in this regard ( but the others have strength of Politics )
When I was at school there was a girl a year older than I who gave me a really bad time. Everywhere I went she was in my face and pushed me. clouted me, slapped me..tried humiliation at every turn, and I was at times in floods because of it. Sneak attacks came from every direction. I was very little when it all started and she well over 5'.. why she disliked me so I havent a clue but it was a miserable time..Quote:
Originally Posted by Annika L
In my 3rd year I found her crying and really upset in an empty classroom.. she had been told she was being moved down a class for Art partly because she just wasnt putting in the effort.. she was a very good artist but was so full of herself that she didnt think she needed to try and the chickens came home to roost. It meant she wouldnt be able to take the exam she wanted and it had upset her quite understandably even allowing for her own arrogance. Fran being Fran chatted to her and for the first time found her to be as human and insecure as the next person, and I think it helped her to come to terms with her changed situation.. as she spoke, it seemed all the stresses of her life poured out and she told me things which were very personal, and which I could have used to really destroy her as a human being.
She left me alone after that, and from that day she was no longer the bitch I had thought her to be. I had found weakness in her, and a vulnerability which I could have easily used to my advantage were I to wish vengeance wreaked on her.. instead I acted as I think human beings should act when people are in trouble.. with compassion and understanding.. and we even became friends in time.. not close ones but good ones I think.
She never did sit that exam, although she did sit her Higher Grade and eventually went to the Glasgow School of Art where she came away with a first and is now quite a successful graphic designer and moderately successful artist.. and years later, I found that she had told a mutual friend that if it were not for that chat in an empty classroom, she would never have picked herself up and gotten on with trying to achieve her dreams.. probably ovestating it.. but luffly 2 hear..