What's With All These Kinky, Pagan Bisexuals?

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Originally Posted by polyamour2000

:cool: Dear Bi Di:
I too am a practicing Celtic/Druid, now loosely defined as Pagan, and sometimes Wiccan. In the true form, as I am a lineage "Cailleach D'Eyre" we, all of us were Polyamorous, male/female regardless. Of course after the Catholics took over Ireland/Scotland; The Highlands and depicted "us" as devil worshippers[hah, can't worship that which has no name nor place]we retreated and lived in secrecy, and our mainstay-love, sex, pleasure, and celebration of these acts/Maypole etc. were hidden. The 60's [an era I was born into]allowed for some of the old ways to be talked about by grandmothers etc./ and these stories were carelessly slid into our "Christian/Americanized lifestyles" .As time progresses the Goddess will have her "children" back as her "Witches" slowly teach the humans that they are not born evil and with sin, and they do not have to repent or spend an eternity in "Christian Hell", and that we were made out of pure pleasure and love, AND THROUGH SEX! IN ALL ITS WONDERFUL, PASSIONATE GLORY! The truth is that most men are bisexual, but are socialized into hiding it, but most have had atleast one experience is my "experience" . Ask them in a non-disclosing way, and they'll admit it. I am raising my children to respect the Celtic/Gaelic traditions,we believe we are all one, and no-one better, or less, and in the Celts way of life, the women were as equals, thereby leaving less of a strain on the male population to feel as though MM was any less natural than MF, or group/adult[only] was to be anything other than sheer ecstasy and our Goddess given right, so mote it be! ;)

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Wonderfully told!! How wonderful life could be if more thought this way. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

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Originally Posted by DiamondDog

I feel compassion for them but again I see this as living a lie and partialy their own fault that they aren't out to their spouse/partner, and frankly I'm sick and tired of playing therapist/Dr. Phil for closeted men who won't take me or my advice seriously.

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I just wanted to add to this in that although you may have given these men advice with the best of intentions (I'm not sure what advice you're talking about, however) the same advice isn't necessarily the best for every person.

As for "living a lie" as it were, I kinda resent that kind of rhetoric. I don't feel it necessary that everyone should feel the need to share their sexual anything with anyone they don't want to. If you want to advertise to the world that you're gay/bi, that's YOUR prerogative.

Personally, I never felt that way about it. Announcing one's sexuality isn't mandatory in society whether you're gay, bi, asexual or australian :cool: (Oi, oi, oi!). Sexuality is a personal thing that people share with whom they choose. Need to know. I have several friends and one relative who knows I'm bi, but really, I don't think telling my 80 year-old parents or my siblings will help my life or theirs. I've never gone out of my way to ask them about their sex life. Why? BECAUSE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS! I'm a gentleman and I have some decorum. In the same breath, I have defended gay rights when the subject came up, especially gay marriage.

Does this really make me a chickenshit? Oh, well! I guess I'll stick to just telling those people who really matter... the ones I want to have sex with. They are, after all, the ones who really need to know. If I'm honest with myself and them, :three: that's all that matters.

PS The Supreme Court of Canada ruled in its latest attempt to set guidelines that govern sexual morality in Canada, the top court said two swingers clubs in Montreal were not operating as illegal "bawdy houses," because what went on there did not cause any harm to society. This is good across the country. Sooooooo, this means that if the cops want to get inside a sauna, they better be sure there's at least a pound of heroin in the place or flip for the sawbuck like everybody else.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...tory/National/

Do we HAVE to look at this ugly-ass picture every freakin' day? Can't you put up a photo of someone who's attractive for a change?

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Originally Posted by biguyinla

Do we HAVE to look at this ugly-ass picture every freakin' day? Can't you put up a photo of someone who's attractive for a change?

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Now we know why you have limited experience and you're divorced...

Peace, out! :three:

Lol, this article is so true to me...and voices a lot of musings I've had about "outcast communities" for a while. I'm bi, interested in body mods, an SCA fencer, a sci-fi/fantasy nerd and I play D&D with my friends. It's not like one happened before the other. Being bi and being part of an "outcast community" just evolved during high school as part of my entire self-discovery.

Sweet. :)
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This bitch looks worse than a tranny.

Frankly I am sick of heaving every time I log onto this place.

Not sure the last two posts comport with the position of "Unofficial Community Leader" -- !!

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Originally Posted by Domino

This bitch looks worse than a tranny.

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cute pic you have.

but i have a lot of "tranny" friends who put your pic to shame.

tho i do agree a little variety would be nice on the log-in page.

The topic of this article/thread is not "Let's flame the writer". Instead of complaining about the lack of a new article, how bout writing one yourselves?

......Oh wait, that's right, you are not an activist or have anything to contribute to the community.

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Originally Posted by Fire Lotus

The topic of this article/thread is not "Let's flame the writer". Instead of complaining about the lack of a new article, how bout writing one yourselves?

......Oh wait, that's right, you are not an activist or have anything to contribute to the community.

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i pray you aren't referring to me...

I'd like to say a few words about the topic at hand(and I'll try to use as few words as possible):

As a Bi man I found the article well written and informative. I also read in the article the writer's opinions as well as factual statements that can be researched by anyone if here if they put forth a little effort. Journalism(of any kind) in today's world will have a mix of facts and opinions, so members who feel the same as Purple Rose should see this and accept it. Perhaps using the term "fringe groups" instead of "outcast" might not ruffle as many feathers, but the use of the term did spark discussion, and I think that is what the writer intended.

Lastly, I'd like to say something about the Avitars used here. Some are amazing(like flexuality)and some are a little odd(the use of "Max Headroom"), but others don't seem to like the one used by the writer of the article. To them I say this: We can't all be male models and beauty queens. Accept this fact and life becomes a lot easier.

I'm stepping off my soapbox now...

i hate being falsely accused...

so to clear up any misconceptions, my first comment was aimed at Domino, not the author of the article.

secondly i expressed ever-so-slight concern about there being variety on the log-in page, which has nothing to do with the current featured article.

so whoever shoots(accidentally or on purpose) anymore goody goody remarks at me can kiss my(smooth and pretty durn cute) azz.

buh-bi!

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Originally Posted by SpaZZ

I just wanted to add to this in that although you may have given these men advice with the best of intentions (I'm not sure what advice you're talking about, however) the same advice isn't necessarily the best for every person.

As for "living a lie" as it were, I kinda resent that kind of rhetoric. I don't feel it necessary that everyone should feel the need to share their sexual anything with anyone they don't want to. If you want to advertise to the world that you're gay/bi, that's YOUR prerogative.

Personally, I never felt that way about it. Announcing one's sexuality isn't mandatory in society whether you're gay, bi, asexual or australian :cool: (Oi, oi, oi!). Sexuality is a personal thing that people share with whom they choose. Need to know. I have several friends and one relative who knows I'm bi, but really, I don't think telling my 80 year-old parents or my siblings will help my life or theirs. I've never gone out of my way to ask them about their sex life. Why? BECAUSE IT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS! I'm a gentleman and I have some decorum. In the same breath, I have defended gay rights when the subject came up, especially gay marriage.

Does this really make me a chickenshit? Oh, well! I guess I'll stick to just telling those people who really matter... the ones I want to have sex with. They are, after all, the ones who really need to know. If I'm honest with myself and them, :three: that's all that matters.

PS The Supreme Court of Canada ruled in its latest attempt to set guidelines that govern sexual morality in Canada, the top court said two swingers clubs in Montreal were not operating as illegal "bawdy houses," because what went on there did not cause any harm to society. This is good across the country. Sooooooo, this means that if the cops want to get inside a sauna, they better be sure there's at least a pound of heroin in the place or flip for the sawbuck like everybody else.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...tory/National/

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Coming out isn't telling the world about your sex life or your sexuality. I know old people think it is but it's seriously not about that at all. Also the men I was refering to are married and don't even think of themselves as being bisexual or queer even though it's obvious to everyone but themselves that they are.

Coming out is more like being open and telling your family/friends and your spouse if you have one about a small aspect of yourself. Or not being afraid to be yourself when questioned about your sexuality, or when you're assumed heterosexual by default.

Obviously you didn't read my post that well. :cool:

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Originally Posted by superyumboi

i hate being falsely accused...

so to clear up any misconceptions, my first comment was aimed at Domino, not the author of the article.

secondly i expressed ever-so-slight concern about there being variety on the log-in page, which has nothing to do with the current featured article.

so whoever shoots(accidentally or on purpose) anymore goody goody remarks at me can kiss my(smooth and pretty durn cute) azz.

buh-bi!

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The remarks I made were made to someone else. Primarily to Domino.

You are somewhat right. I , for example, am Wiccan AND Bisexual. =D

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Originally Posted by DiamondDog

Obviously you didn't read my post that well. :cool:

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I read it right. Maybe you wrote it wrong?

well to tell you the truth im bi-male and just finding out that i really am bi- well i guess im more bi-curious dont know what it takes to be bi- had only one experience with one guy so far!!!! my wife has used a strap-on me several times and she says yes your bi- but, in a nutshell it has always been the mans role to be masculine and strong to see a man on all fours getting banged by another man shows submission and me being a man just cant fatom the idea.Until recently if you would have asked me about it before now i would have been discussed by the idea of it but to see 2 women bi- or lesbian it is very sensual to see 2 smooth bodies caressing each other now thats is exceptible, ask yourself as the average person how claims to be st8 if they would rather see 2 sexy women or 2 hairy guys go at it and what do you think they would say?
In truth we are bi- some just prefer one over the other. God gave us the tools to use sexually he made man and woman when he cast us out well he opened the doors wide open so i think sex isnt what our forefathers thought of it as being husband and wife and even then we dont really know what went on the ones that was preaaching that was or at least had thoughts of it. just my thoughts on it. I say if it feels good and noone gets hurt then why not//

Hair (pubic) or not? I prefer not for 2 reasons. One, I like the sensation I get from it without and two I love it my partner invested the time and sensuality to make it so. Comments?

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Originally Posted by Domino

Frankly I am sick of heaving every time I log onto this place.

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So why do you continue to log on? :bigrin:

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Originally Posted by Azrael

Well, I'm a bi male pagan, but I sure as hell don't know any others. I know oodles of bi pagan women, though.

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I'm a bi male pagan :D

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Originally Posted by Domino

Frankly I am sick of heaving every time I log onto this place.

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Funny, some might say something similar when referring to having to read the posts of someone who has nothing nice to say.

If logging into Bisexual.com makes you heave, by all means, please refrain from logging in :)

To express agreement or disagreement with what the writer has written would be a fundamental part of the forum feature, and would likely be welcome by many here.

To simply attack someone based solely on their looks reflects a shallow, self-centered, and ignorant mind.

Please feel free to read the Posting Rules that are displayed above the text window one types in every single time one prepares a post. To make it easier on you, I'll list the rule the seems most pertinent to you:

2. Be polite - flame the idea if you feel you must, but not the person.

I particularly noticed that with Satanists, a lot of them, including men, are bi.

I'm sort of bi. I will never think about a relationship with a guy (for me they're just for fun :bigrin: ).

I'd like to point out that saying that only christians are traditionals and conservatives is wrong. I am an egyptian recon (not to be confused with egyptian neo-pagan as recons practice the true egyptian religion not the wicca with egyptian gods) so i am not a pagan in that sense of the word. I am also very conservative as the egyptians were.

The fundamental difference between recons and neo-pagans is that recons are generally a lot better educated, and are much more conservative. There is quite a bit of resentment between the two groups recons agree that wiccans give polytheists a bad name a word for them is "fluffy bunnies" reffering to how theyre so open minded they believe in fairies and the most outlandish things while wiccans call recons "elitists". Anyway to generalize that about conservatives is not correct at all.

Also I consider christians to be far from traditional. Personally i respect (by respect i mean:consider them to be true though alternate paths) only the religions who are traditional. The religions without men founders who were there since the beggining of time contrary to human invented religions like christianity. So christians are not very traditional.

I'm a deist. Sex is spiritual. Timeless. All you need is Love.

SpaZZ
Reverend, ULC

I could only stand to read portions of your diatribe, as it was so misinformed, it was not worthy of the time.

Wiccans are NOT Pagans, to begin with. Wiccans are a breed of new age paganism that greatly loses a lot of traditional, Celtic witchcraft (kind of like "pagan lite". DO NOT consider your experience at a, what did you call it - WICCAN CHURCH (no such term, btw, witches gather together in covens), the same as a Kent, Celtic or Druid Pagan. *sigh*

Regardless, what is a "witchlet"? What kind of an ignorant slur is that? Are you a white trashlette? It's kind of the same thing to say... Dig?

Lastly, Pagans, Witches or Wiccans, do not consider themselve "outcasts". It is small minds like your own that tries to label us as such. I am out with my religion, and do not consider myself part of some sub-culture. Alternative and not mainstream for sure, but certainly not an outcast. lol

My dear, I shall pray to the Goddess for you. You are in need of some serious education and enlightenment for sure! :)

Bright blessings...

From Kitten girl
Wiccans are NOT Pagans, to begin with.
Regardless, what is a "witchlet"? What kind of an ignorant slur is that? Are you a white trashlette? It's kind of the same thing to say... Dig?
Lastly, Pagans, Witches or Wiccans, do not consider themselve "outcasts". It is small minds like your own that tries to label us as such. I am out with my religion, and do not consider myself part of some sub-culture.
My dear, I shall pray to the Goddess for you. You are in need of some serious education and enlightenment for sure! :)
Bright blessings...[/QUOTE]

Pagan is a blanket term for a person who follows a path that is not considered one of the "major" world religions, i.e. Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Islam, Confucianism, Buddhism, etc.

White trashlet? Wow talk about a slur. A witchlet is a term for a new witch, a baby witch so to say some one early in their learning. It is an affectionate term really.

She was not saying that we all think we are outcasts, but society at large views us in this way, you are not a member of the greater society at large, well than you are an outcast. A subdefective.

I don't mean to get down on you but maybe you need to ask your Goddess for some common sense and not to be so critical of other people. Just because you do not agree does not make them wrong and you right, it just means you have a difference of opinion.

I personally see what she is saying, I was bi first but I am a homeschooling, pagan, former SCA fighter, who is Kinky, and still games.

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Can you PLEASE remove that photo of the ugly guy in drag off the front page of bi.com? Do we have to get completely turned off every time we log on?

My name is Jon, I am the Features Article Editor here on bisexual.com. I should have done this much sooner, when your first insensitive and ridiculous comment was placed.
Shut up!
You don't find Dana attractive. Good for you. We don't care. I don't find you attractive because you are a rude and stupid person.
Dana wrote a great article that I was very pleased to present for the members of this website. And judging by how much conversation it has spawned (excepting your trash), it has been well-received!
So just go away. Your negative presence is not respected or desired. And if I see one more comment like this, I will have you banned.

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Can you PLEASE remove that photo of the ugly guy in drag off the front page of bi.com? Do we have to get completely turned off every time we log on?

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My name is Jon, I am the Features Article Editor here on bisexual.com. I should have done this much sooner, when your first insensitive and ridiculous comment was placed.
Shut up!
You don't find Dana attractive. Good for you. We don't care. I don't find you attractive because you are a rude and stupid person.
Dana wrote a great article that I was very pleased to present for the members of this website. And judging by how much conversation it has spawned (excepting your trash), it has been well-received!
So just go away. Your negative presence is not respected or desired. And if I see one more comment like this, I will have you banned.

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BRAVO!!

go jon...lol

I have sat here and read many of the remarks about wicca.... and as a older timer ( 20 years + as a wiccan person ) I have finally decided to speak up about the wicca fighting going on in the article thread

ok wicca is not set in concrete.... its fuild, hence it takes many forms....
a wiccan church is not wrong.... in the same manner that a spiritual christian church is not wrong.....its just that people perceive it as wrong

the original wicca folk, never went to a coven,... coven is a witchcraft term....
modern wicca embraces the coven aspect in some places.....not all modern wicca groups do....
modern wicca groups are mainly Gardnerian Wicca ( 1950s onwards ) or gardnerian wicca ( 1960s onwards ) or the dianic wicca.... thats when the coven aspect become more popular than at any other time in the history of witchcraft and wicca....tho in some areas witch covens did exist for 100's of years
christianity blurred the lines between wicca and witchcraft.... to destroy them both....but wicca is not mentioned in the bible.....its referred to as witchcraft

modern wicca and witchcraft is far removed from the original wicca which was nature based and honoured the * gods * and * goddesses * of which there was over 130... hence rituals and ceremonies were not done as they would take so long to do,

now with olde wicca... the gods and goddesses were not viewed as higher beings.... they were viewed as teachers and guides that helped with life,
the celtic god and goddesses system, is the closest system to the wicca system

most olde wiccan folk were eclectic ( they walked alone ) hence there were not covens....and things like herbology, aromatherapy, natural healing etc etc are a big part of olde wicca..... things like spells etc, are modern wicca and witchcraft based

the term * witchlet * is a modern term....not a olde term.... witchcraft and wicca are seperate....
the term * warlock * is a witchcraft term and means * oathbreaker, liar or / and exile / outcast *... it was not a wiccan term...

the olde wicca folk are outcasts..... we don't go for the modern wiccan stuff and we avoid it like the plaque....... the modern wicca movement doesn't accept or embrace the olde ways....as it makes most of the modern ways, look like a laughable joke with all their rituals and ceremonies....
in the olde times... there was not time for rituals and ceremonies....and a interesting thing to note... the olde day started as dusk and ran til dusk the next day.....there was no midnight to herald the start of the day..... something that a lot of history books refer to as the basis for many of the stories about witchcraft....

druidism is actually the masculine aspect of olde wicca....lol.... as wicca is predominately feminine...and was for many, many years, until the structure was changed to put males in control lol


I come from a long and rich family history of olde wiccans...and its nearly impossible to find any info online or in books about olde wicca, as its handed down from person to person....( anybody that knows the history of scotland, will know that many of the books and scrolls and records were destroyed by the english )... I was taught by my grandmother and great grand mother....and i have in my possession, books and other bits and pieces that talk about olde wicca......

hence I don't fight over my wicca beliefs... regardless of what people say..... its a bit hard to argue against the written proof sitting on a book shelf.....
proof that in some cases, was written in the 1800's.....
and like I said, wicca is fuild, it is adaptable and changable and so many of the wiccan sites on the net and the books are written from personal opinion and ideas.....if people want witchlets and wiccan churchs.... so mote it be

Bottom line, "Wicca" is neopaganism, founded in the 1950's from Edward Gardner so by religious terms, still a VERY new religion. Though it is a structured religion, to use the name interchangeably with Witchcraft would be a mistruth. Wicca does not follow nor ascribe to many of the teachings of Celtic Witchcraft. To a true Pagan, it lacks much of the traditions that define the religion. Again, I won't bother to refute others comments here, as it does appear petty to argue their lack of knowledge and inaccuracies, but suffice to say that "wicca" and all its trappings, can only be defined as "Pagan lite". Certainly bearing of its own merit, as say, Scientology is to those who believe in it. We are chose our own path...

hence I don't argue with people lol but, you make one big mistake...
gerald gardener was the creator of modern wicca, NOT edward gardener

the writings of aleister crowley form the basis of much of modern wicca....aleister wrote the book * high magics aid * in 1946.... much of which would feature later on in modern wicca
aleister crowley is better known as the founder of the church of satan

gerald gardener was taught the foundations of what was to become modern wicca, when he joined a witchcraft coven in 1939 under aleister crowley

in 1951 gardener started his own coven....in 1954 he wrote the book * witchcraft today * and in 1959, wrote * the meaning of witchcraft *

gardnerian wicca has direct roots to the masonic movement, druidism, witchcraft, shamanism and other pagan factions....possibly including satanism

*yawn*

I stand corrected. ;) (Shall I say "you win"? because I suspect that is what you are seeking, and rather than have to discuss this one more moment, are you happy if I just say "uncle"?) LMAO.

Honestly, I can't keep track of all of the new age wiccan things you folks are into and who founded what within the last 80 years. It's like keeping up with Britney Spears and K-whatever. Tedious, mindless, and completely without merit or substance. :)

Perhaps now you will allow this thread to return to the point of the message - though I strongly doubt it - lol. ;)

Biguyinla,

What Jon said. You are not welcome here anymore.

- Drew :paw:

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Originally Posted by Fire Lotus

The topic of this article/thread is not "Let's flame the writer". Instead of complaining about the lack of a new article, how bout writing one yourselves?

......Oh wait, that's right, you are not an activist or have anything to contribute to the community.

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excuse you?? just because many of us are not "activists" does not mean we have nothing to contribute to the community.. matter of fact i take offense at this because your elitist attitude is exactly why there are so many divisions in our relationships with the rest of the non hetero world.

In reference to:
"The topic of this article/thread is not "Let's flame the writer". Instead of complaining about the lack of a new article, how bout writing one yourselves?

......Oh wait, that's right, you are not an activist or have anything to contribute to the community."

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excuse you?? just because many of us are not "activists" does not mean we have nothing to contribute to the community.. matter of fact i take offense at this because your elitist attitude is exactly why there are so many divisions in our relationships with the rest of the non hetero world.

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The context of the comment referenced above had nothing to do with elitism and everything to do with a comment from someone who had nothing to say about the article and everything about the appearance of the writer.

There are thousands of us who use various parts of this site who contribute to its whole. Every bit, whether large or small, contributes to the strength of the overall community, not only this online one, but other bisexual communities as well.

My husband and I are both pagans and both bi and we know a LOT of pagans, male and female. Every one of our pagan friends is bisexual except one male and one female, but they have even admitted that they are willing to experiment some day.


Then, we know a bunch of "outcasts" who are not really bisexual yet they like to tell people they are for attention...

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Originally Posted by lonewolf

ive had a few realtionships that never lasted 2 were striaght one was gay.
the gay one one upset me more than most
im not into one night stands or anything
just hoping to meet men /women who are interested in simlar things to me ie art , poetry wildlife and lots of other things besides
thanks

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It has taken me 20 years to find a happy relationship with both a man and a woman, it made me chuckle that I found them in exactly the space that the author of this article is speaking of an SCA(like) group, pagan individuals. I was bi before I joined these groups but one of the things that made me _stay_ with these groups where I dropped many of the other groups I was in over time was the accepting people. One of the things that I note is the fact that it has taken a great amount of work to make this threesome work!
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I think the article was well written and thought out. However I would like to point out that personally I have been a bisexual male since I was a teenager and a Witch since I was in my mid twenties. I have to agree there are not as many openly bisexual or gay men as women in the Pagan community. I do wish there more. It would nice to just know some other male bisexual Pagans/Wiccans/Witches socially. :flag2: :male: :male:

I actually discovered I was bisexual by joining "outcast" groups. :2cents:

My first religion was Wicca (none of my folks were particularly religious), but what really opened my eyes to who I am was the Church of the SubGenius (a religion disguised as a joke disguised as a religion).

Their philosophy pretty much is "Be yourself and fuck'em all if they don't like it." or to quote "Bob": "Fuck Them If They Can't Take A Joke." :cool:

Oh, and hi everybody. :) :tongue: