Originally Posted by
Canticle
I think you need to explain further....what you mean in your reply to Heph in post 437......but that is merely, my humble opinion, of course.
''I will break it down for you''
I thank you.........
''most countries will protest their own boundaries, but criticize other countries for doing the same thing.... or act in a manner that is contradictory....things like the detaining of civilians without right to trial or due course of justice.....''
Understood, understandable and also already known. We are human and therefore, do not always behave, as nations, with goodwill or generosity, or any care for our fellow human beings.
''( in nz, we held a person for 7 years at the request of the us, their own crime was to take pics of tourist locations, but they were held in detention as a suspected terrorist even tho they had no connection to any terrorist groups... yet the us frowns on other countries doing the same thing )''
How very odd, how unlawful that seems and how rather strange. I would have expected more from New Zealand. Ah, well!
''I support basic human rights.... but not equal rights.....''
Do you mean human rights and equal, depending upon situations.....as with indigenous populations, who may live a very different life, war situations, where the protection of the state has to come first...etc, etc, etc??
''a example is australia and the treatment of the aboriginals, they took a group of them, and put them in a housing complex.... and wondered why the hell they destroyed the place..... the answer is cos the aboriginals could not relate to the way we live, they had a different way of life, and when removed from that, they developed issues like alcoholism.....''
This is something that I am fully aware of, having read articles and watched many a documentary. To house a nomadic people, to try to restrict their movement, is/would be cruel, no matter what the race of the people.
Did you know the Australian Aboriginals, along with Native Americans, Inuit people, some Polynesians and a few others, have a genetic intolerance of alcohol? I have often wondered if the same, might also be true of Celts. However, I am not aware of any study, in this area.
''did you know that australia used to issue licenses to kill aboriginals...''
Oh, Yes.....I think a lot of people are aware of that and also how the very early settlers, used to ''hunt'' them.
''now you can not apply equal rights to everybody when each culture and race has a different way of doing things, and require different levels of rights......''
I think that it is fairly obvious that exceptions will always have to be made and for the reasons stated.
''hence you get things like no head coverings in banks but muslim females arguing that they should not have to uncover their heads as part of their beliefs require them to be covered.....''
The covering of heads and bodies is not exclusive to Islam, so it is a cultural aspect of life, which has been turned into, or deemed a very necessary part of the religious belief. Orthodox Jewish women also cover their hair and only allow their husbands to see it. The more wealthy Jewish women tend to wear wigs, which one wouldn't even notice were wigs. I once watched a documenary about a group of ultra orthodox Jewish women, who lived in Jerusalem. These women not only wore wigs, but also shaved their heads.
Cultural behaviour, with a long history, is so often mistaken for religious belief.
''you can not make everybody equal while granting exemptions to the rules for different people and groups... it creates unequality''
That is why we need democracies and governments who will pass laws which treat certain things in a sensitive manner, whilst still ensuring human rights.
''as for dictators and democracy..... in the olde ways, a gathering of chiefs ( in iceland 930 AD I think it was ) was the first parliament....
the chiefs were charged with the responsibility of upholding justice and balanced interaction in their respective tribes.....
so you has a dictatorship answering to a democratic style parliament where disputes and issues were resolved by a group elected by the chiefs.....
now in those days, everybody had a voice in the tribe as a tribe was built around team work''
Yep......sorta know about things like that....history being a passion 'n' all.
''in todays terms, it would be the united nations.... but using countries, not tribes.... but the issue lays with the ruling person / parties of each country.... they now lack the balanced support system of tribal unity.... as there is too many people and opinions and that allows a ruling person / party, to make the rules as they go along.....
and rather than sort it out so the * tribe * works together again as a co-hesive unit.... they go with the majority.......
hence you end up with a splintered society with different groups pushing different agendas.......''
Well ain't that obvious!
Unfortunately...those countries represented at the UN, are full of tribal peoples. With the permanent members of the Security Council, obviosly having joint and individual allies.....everything is always going to get screwed up. Can't see it changing........(no Gene Roddenberry style Federation of Planets type working together......and eventually that had to fail).......we're human!
By the way....what has any of that, got to do, with the Israelis storming an aid ship?
