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Kiowa_Pacer
Aug 16, 2010, 4:50 PM
This is fairly long, so please bear with me:...

I have a very dear friend who was born with both sets of organs and the parents were devout Mormon in Utah. They wanted the female organs "Sewn up" and forgotten about, and never spoken of again, like it never happened. The Dr told them "This isnt just going to go away like the flu, ya know. This child has the sex organs and internal systems of a girl-child as well as the penis of a boy-child, even tho the testes are Mono-Orchid. When she gets about 13-14 years old, its quite possible she's going to start Looking like a female, and menstrating."
Against the Dr's advise the operation was done to "sew" the vagina closed.

They decided to keep the condition secret and raised the child like a male. Well, said male always knew there was something different about himself even tho he was raised with his 2 brothers and several male cousins. He was a big boned strapping guy,5'8, football jock type and the parents were extremely proud of their decision. He was admiring some material in a store with his Mother one day, and held it up against himself to look at it. His Father back handed him and told him "Dont you Ever be doing something like that in public Ever again!"
This really threw the kid for a loop because he didnt know what he had done wrong. Well, for Halloween, some of the guys were going to dress up in drag for the school carnival. He put on some female clothes, a blond wig, and had his female cousins help him with make up, and the transformation was Astounding. There was a 14 year old beauty where a boy had stood minutes earlier.
He had always been a handsome boy with fine delicate features, beautiful pale-blue eyes, natural blond hair, and barely any facial hair. When he took one look in the mirror, something snapped inside and even his girl cousins knew that he was too pretty to be Just a boy in drag. He couldnt stop staring at himself and thought "That's me! That's how I am Supposta look..."

Two nights later, after his Father found out that his Son had worn women's clothes to a public function (and looked better than half the women there) he was beaten severly, was punished for doing so, and made to endure a tirade from the local church about it.. The boy pushed all thoughts of how he looked in drag out of his mind, but in his heart he knew he was different.

A couple of months later he was at a big football game and had been having stomach craps all day. His Couch naturally told him "Suck it up, you're fine" And the boy continued on. At one point during the, game he took a hard punch to the stomach and was taken out of the game. The Team Doc noticed that he was awfully pale and was holding his stomach, and was obviously in a great deal of pain. A few minutes later, he started throwing up blood, when he passed out, they finally took him to the hospital. They called in the Doc that knew him years ago, and it was discovered that he was hemmoraging internally. They performed surgery to discover that his whole female system had "Kicked in" and he was bleeding inside and the Doc recommended that he either undergo a hysterectomy, or they remove the skin graph covering the vagina and let nature take its course.

The parents didnt want the info going public and ruining their sterling reputations in the community, so they wouldnt consent to either. The Doc raged at them and asked if they had noticed that their big strong boy also had breasts budding. "Its only going to progress from here. Unless you start him on hormones Now, he is going to start looking more and more like a girl! You cannot stop nature!!"

The bleeding was too great for it to be ignored, so a partial hysterectomy was performed to save his life. When he awoke they lied to him and told him the blow to the stomach had reptured something in his stomach and had caused him to have to have surgery. They also told him he would have to take a suppliment for the rest of his life....Nice parents, huh?

He continued on, met a girl in high school and got married. Even tho he was married he had bouts of wanting to see what it was like to be with a man, and did one night with his wife's permission. It was like flood gates had been opened and sex was better than it ever had been. His young wife kept noticing changes in his body and it turned her off greatly, so she left him.
He re-enrolled in a college in Calif, and his life took a Drastic turn around. He met a group of Transgendered folks on campus, and decided to start his life over, but this time doing it in secret.

After about a year of living in the closet so to speak, his oldest brother came to him and told him of his birth and that he had indeed had the organ of both sexes. His brother told him that Dad had kicked him out for revealing that he was gay, so he felt that his little brother deserved the truth about who he was. It started a big family war that exists until this day, for the young man decided it was time for him to be the person he was always Meant to be, and that person was a beautiful female named Catherine. She had stopped taking the pills after seeing a specialist, and her own natural hormones have taken over. Sometime this year she will be undergoing the operation to have the skin graph removed and the vagina will be "Restructured"

She is a Wonderful Lady, and I feel so bad that she had to go thru all of that pain and heartache because the folks could not accept that their child was born differently because of religious or selfish reasons. We met her thru our Swingers group, and she is Absolutely delightful, and is a wonderful lover.
It just bothers me immensely that people cannot be accepted as they are, and that people will try and supress a person's nature if it serves their own selfish gains. This wonderful woman had to be something/someone that she wasn't for many years, and it just breaks my heart.
Today, she owns and operates her own clothing design store and is very successful here in Seattle and in L.A. California. She hasn't spoken to her parents in years but keeps in communication with her oldest, Gay brother. The other won't even admit he has a younger brother anymore.....

I hope this kind of transformation is just as great for All trans-folk. :}
Kit

transcendMental
Aug 16, 2010, 5:24 PM
I cannot begin to properly express my sympathy for what this person has gone through. Nor can I properly express my envy for how her physical situation started out, nor my rage that parents would be so ignorant and hateful as to screw with that situation and then condemn their own child when she finally chooses to take the matter into her own hands.

I have often hoped that it would turn out that I had secret ovaries or uterus hidden away inside me somewhere. I'd have loved a built-in explanation for why I felt like a woman and why I needed to transition, why it made sense. Fortunately, science is starting to understand that there is a built-in explanation, that our brains are structured the same as the sex that we identify with, rather than with the genitals we have.

The struggles of a transperson coming to terms with who they are and how to resolve them are immensely difficult. People like Catherine aren't even trans and should not have to deal with this kind of BS. Her body could have been allowed to develop naturally, and if she was ever uncomfortable with the ambiguous genitalia, she could have made choices about that. The kind of ignorance, fear, and bigotry that led to her having to go through this process just leaves me hyperventilating!

Billys_gurl
Aug 16, 2010, 5:39 PM
First I have to say that it angers me that parents, because they THINK they are pillars of the community and high falutin in their church that they have the right to mess with one of Gods own creations. Such selfishness is sad and not allowing a person to make the choice for themselves is akin to the ritual mutilations they do to young girls in Africa. I think it is terrible that her father hit her for the incident in the fabric store when any kid would have done something like that! I am glad that she has been able to live her life as she was intended to. Even better that her oldest brother is there for her. It is the rest of her families loss to know a beautiful, successful, and comfortable in her own skin young lady. May she always have friends like you!

MarieDelta
Aug 16, 2010, 10:33 PM
I cannot begin to properly express my sympathy for what this person has gone through. Nor can I properly express my envy for how her physical situation started out, nor my rage that parents would be so ignorant and hateful as to screw with that situation and then condemn their own child when she finally chooses to take the matter into her own hands.

I have often hoped that it would turn out that I had secret ovaries or uterus hidden away inside me somewhere. I'd have loved a built-in explanation for why I felt like a woman and why I needed to transition, why it made sense. Fortunately, science is starting to understand that there is a built-in explanation, that our brains are structured the same as the sex that we identify with, rather than with the genitals we have.

The struggles of a transperson coming to terms with who they are and how to resolve them are immensely difficult. People like Catherine aren't even trans and should not have to deal with this kind of BS. Her body could have been allowed to develop naturally, and if she was ever uncomfortable with the ambiguous genitalia, she could have made choices about that. The kind of ignorance, fear, and bigotry that led to her having to go through this process just leaves me hyperventilating!

Amen Sister!

TaylorMade
Aug 16, 2010, 10:42 PM
Not every time the doctors are right, but in this case, they should have taken their advice.

*Taylor*

MarieDelta
Aug 17, 2010, 9:06 AM
One other note.

Cases such as these totally disprove the whole notion of gender/sex binary in my mind.

Sex & Gender actually are a lot more complex than male/female , Butch/Femme. Its even more complex than Gay/straight. It turns out, nature isnt like a switch simply on or off. Its more like the rainbow, a multitude of colors each with its own beauty.
http://img3.visualizeus.com/thumbs/08/12/05/art,zieh,phow,tows,colorful,photomanip,rainbow,ros e-609e912d93eba2362f5f75c74d2fa084_h.jpg

void()
Aug 17, 2010, 10:24 AM
One word: splendor.

That was a beautiful story despite the adversity foremost within it. Glad it was shared with our community here. Every glimmer of hope is worth uplifting. And I think many ought to focus solely upon such glimmers, instead of the nefarious darkening we otherwise get assailed by. There is a whole cosmos and more of Light out there. If you feel lost, turn inward as a great spark exists in all and will guide you back. Remember to be grateful of every blessing.

Cherokee_Mountaincat
Aug 17, 2010, 1:13 PM
lol Very true my lil Kit. Miss Cath is a Gorgeous lady with a heart and soul like an angel, just like our Marie. She tells people that her undies are like a box of cracker jacks....you never know what yer gunna find in there! lmao:bigrin:
Cat