Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive

[Canticle]

Poetry or prose, your own words and experiences, or those of another. We all, at some point are taken in, by the lies of another and suffer because of that. Feel free to express those feelings.



dear judas.
to be fair, you're nothing but a big disgrace
thought you meant well when you kissed the side of my face
it's not fair for you to be a liar
i took the hit and now i'm only getting higher
you were my biggest mistake
but this was hardly my choice to make

hey judas, did you really have to walk away?
judas, do you know you give less than you take?
you're just a faker in this darkened world
sinister trickery for all the boys and girls
judas, i refuse to let you make me afraid

so if you're not a hero, you must be a coward
believe it when i say i've been through your darkest hour
it's not fair for me to be the honest one
when all you ever do is run
you were my gravest mistake
the very first bad habit i have to break

hey judas, are you afraid to sleep at night?
judas, do you have a fear that i might be right?
you're no longer sure what's real & what's wrong
been wearing this facade for far too long
judas, you little liar never coming toward the light

if you don't mind, i'd like to whisper in your ear
i feel the tension greater as we both draw near
it's time for you to be deceived
by all the lies i once believed
and next time i want the truth
i'm not looking for it in you

hey judas, did you write another sonnet of sorrow?
judas, will you wake up in a bed of guilt tomorrow?
you're no friend to me, it's clear
just breathe, judas, my dear
who's mask is the next one you'll borrow?

oh judas, you'll never even live to tell
the story of how quickly you once fell

[DuckiesDarling]

Gee a poem written by a guy about Judas from the Bible...

http://allpoetry.com/poem/5066167

How about a song instead, Canticle and believe me when I say this is advice it really is Time For Letting Go (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Slmv3TQlhY)

[Canticle]

Umm......I didn't read it as being a poem about Judas Iscariot (and I have never thought, that that gentleman, betrayed anyone), but about lies and deception, by the individual and the state......and gosh....you felt the need to find the link to it. I couldn't even tell you what the title of the site was. And I didn't even look to see the sex of the writer......irrelevant to me.

There is nothing I need to let go of and I certainly don't need any advice. Of course, you know me so well, don't you and you know the truth and I do not. No.....I think I know the truth of my life and about the things going on in that life. I think I know few things, better than lines of type could ever tell a story. I'll try to find a piece of prose, about deception within political circles...or who knows....maybe a poem.

Thank you for the song...a charming ditty.....but one which has no bearing upon anything in my life.

[Canticle]

Deceptive art.......not easy on the eye

[DuckiesDarling]

Sighs... you don't get it.

[Canticle]

Sighs... you don't get it.

Oh, I do....I most certainly do........because I'm a bright, wise and truthful girl.......so I guess I don't need to vindicate myself.

I think, that perhaps, you are the one, who does not understand the heading of this thread.

[ThreeInOne]

Oh, I do....I most certainly do........because I'm a bright, wise and truthful girl.......so I guess I don't need to vindicate myself.

I think, that perhaps, you are the one, who does not understand the heading of this thread.

So, captain, what *is* the heading of this thread? :)

[mikey3000]

"Said Bill Clinton to young Ms. Lewinsky
We don't want to leave clues like Kaczynski,
Since you look such a mess,
Use the hem of your dress
And wipe that stuff off of your chinsky. "

Kinda brings a tear to your eye, no?

[Canticle]

Well, Threeinone, it's sorta at the top.....where the title goes :rolleyes:

Very funny Mikey :bigrin:

Piltdown Man

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


In the thumnail image

''The portrait painted by John Cooke in 1915. Back row (from left): F O Barlow, G Elliot Smith, Charles Dawson, Arthur Smith Woodward. Front row: A S Underwood, Arthur Keith, W P Pycraft, and Sir Ray Lankester.''



The "Piltdown Man" is a famous paleontological hoax concerning the finding of the remains of a previously unknown early human. The hoax find consisted of fragments of a skull and jawbone collected in 1912 from a gravel pit at Piltdown, a village near Uckfield, East Sussex, England. The fragments were thought by many experts of the day to be the fossilised remains of a hitherto unknown form of early man. The Latin name Eoanthropus dawsoni ("Dawson's dawn-man", after the collector Charles Dawson) was given to the specimen. The significance of the specimen remained the subject of controversy until it was exposed in 1953 as a forgery, consisting of the lower jawbone of an orangutan that had been deliberately combined with the skull of a fully developed modern human.

The Piltdown hoax is perhaps the most famous paleontological hoax in history. It has been prominent for two reasons: the attention paid to the issue of human evolution, and the length of time (more than 40 years) that elapsed from its discovery to its full exposure as a forgery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Well maybe I'm not very bright either because I didnt get the jist of this thread. All I saw was you quoting something someone else wrote. Who were you saying that had decieved someone? I'm lost..
Cat

[MarshallP]

Canticle, nice bit of prose i can see the correlation of what is being said here in my view we meet all sort of judas's in this life and the degree of the judas's can come in many forms,vices,and simply in the decisions we make..some may be of our own choosing while, still others may not but its the everyday fight to overcome these things and to grow stronger to be able to fend the future ones off that will lead us to the better path..this is just what i got from this i write as well.

[Bluebiyou]

and breakthrough...
Even though the Judas poem was delivered in first and second person, there's a bit of Judas in the cleanest one of our souls,
and even a surreal twist with the deceptive artwork (all the way to Escher, but not touching Dali?).
Of course the only path worth traveling is the path of honesty.
And this path leads to similar outcomes as it did for Jesus.

The higher roads are not traveled for their personal profit margin.

A great Russian author once claimed that if everyone were honest, the (pre 1985 communist) Russian government would fall apart.
"Incompetent leaders of a great country" as he called them.

[Canticle]

Thank you matteroffact and Bluebiyou........I think you get it

Heck.....I did miss Dali out...didn't I and he, one of my favourite artists......but Dali, has been done to death.....hasn't he!!! LOL!!


Cat.......it's not about someone deceiving another person, it's about lies and deception........from the April Fool's Day prank, to the deepest and darkest deception of the soul.

Lies, lies and damned lies! Lies and deception to deceive the eye, deceive the mind...by what is writ......to make us perceive things, as they be not. Art. prose, poetry, fake discoveries...or fake people, political lies and deception......anything which seeks to make us see things in a certain light and yet is really something else indeed. Things to deceive.....deception and things or people which want us to perceive matters in a certain way...to alter our perception

Quite simple........really.

Below....Holbein's The Ambassadors. View the image at the bottom, from a certain angle and it becomes something quite different. Painted in the 1500s.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Ah. ok.
Cat

[DuckiesDarling]

Gee I thought it was about the bored housewife cheating on her husband and finding out the person she's flirting with has other love interests as well through a google search..oh wait wasn't that on snopes?

[AdamKadmon43]

Gee I thought it was about the bored housewife cheating on her husband and finding out the person she's flirting with has other love interests as well through a google search..oh wait wasn't that on snopes?

You got it....

That about sums it up.

[Canticle]

You got it....

That about sums it up.

No DD hasn't and you know damn well she hasn't

[Canticle]

You got it....

That about sums it up.

It doesn't sum it up....far from it.....but it's amazing what can be summised by people who don't know what they are talking about

[Canticle]

That should have said...because the truth, which the truth giver tells, will not be believed by people with closed minds and who don't know what they are talking about.

I am not a bored ''housewife''.....I have many interests

I am not cheating on my husband. My marriage was rendered null and void by his infidelity.

I do not flirt. I am above that.

I did not discover that anyone had other loves. There are no other loves.

I googled the name of a friend's website...because they wanted me to see the blog and I couldn't access it.......something unexpected came up in the search....the rest is history.

DD...you don't know what you are talking about...you really don't. So please do not think that you do. You don't!!!

All that, just because I did not agree with you about Israel.

How terrible.

[DuckiesDarling]

Gee.....DD....you were lucky....so lucky.

Maybe for good, maybe for bad, the grearest love of my life, I never got to meet, face to face....though there was talk of it.....Oh, there was talk of it and wanting me to go on a cruise and there was talk of a great love and so much more.

The greatest love, the long dreamed for love, the last love and the very much loved man, who made me laugh, more than anyone has ever made me laugh, who has the most amazing smile, who inspired me to write prose, who inspired me to reach within myself, to discover talents, I didn't know I had, who talked with me, argued with me, cried with me ....turned out to be the biggest liar I have ever met and worse. And that is what hurts most...lies and then abandonment, just so the truth does not have to be told.

When you have never lied to someone and you love that person so much, that you think that there might be a future, even though you don't have your head in the clouds and your feet are planted firmly on terra firma.......to be cast aside, just so the truth need not be told, but you're wanted...when the other person needs you, and know that you were fodder to fuel his imagination and think up more lies....then it is devastating. But you're not meant to get angry.....you're not met to lose your trmper and say bad words. You're expected to fade away, just like all the others.

And then you realise, that you were just a game and a game to be shared.

I hope he had fun, because he has broken my spirit.

Hmm, I don't like liars, Canticle. First he's your love, then he's just a friend. Which is it?

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

And you're still whining about it and letting him do it. Let him go because he wasnt worth it, and get the hell over it already. Work past what hurt and pain he caused and move on already. The more you sit and wallow in it, the most its going to Continue to break your spirit, and you give him power by letting him know about it every time you speak about him. Quit reciting romantic prose relating time and time again how he broke your heart, and stop letting it eat you up inside. And quit running him down and putting him down every time you see one of his posts. Get over it, and get over Him. :rolleyes:
It happened, you got hurt, now move forward and be a better person. You may be surprised at how much happier you'll be. No need to answer this, just EVOLVE.
Cat

[Canticle]

Hmm, I don't like liars, Canticle. First he's your love, then he's just a friend. Which is it?

I will remain polite Twyla, for that is how I was raised and I do try to be as polite as possible, to everyone I meet, on line or off. Why you have decided to make, what appears to me, to a very deliberate attack on me, I do not know. If it was because I disagreed with you (as did others), upon another thread, then I find that incredibly odd. I really don't know, what you think you understand or know, but you would be wrong in all your assumptions.

Twyla, I abhor liars and the damage that they can do and I have never been a liar and I do not understand why you insinuate, that I am one, for I am not. To go to the lengths of quoting a post from another thread, I find rather pathetic and also rather cruel and nasty.

I don't lie. I have no need to lie. A person can be both a love and a friend and if you do not understand that, then I do not know what you do understand. Certainly nothing about me. If this is all because I disagreed with you, on Fran's thread, then shame on you. I would disagree with you again and so would many others.

I am no liar and my conscience is clear.

[Canticle]

And you're still whining about it and letting him do it. Let him go because he wasnt worth it, and get the hell over it already. Work past what hurt and pain he caused and move on already. The more you sit and wallow in it, the most its going to Continue to break your spirit, and you give him power by letting him know about it every time you speak about him. Quit reciting romantic prose relating time and time again how he broke your heart, and stop letting it eat you up inside. And quit running him down and putting him down every time you see one of his posts. Get over it, and get over Him. :rolleyes:
It happened, you got hurt, now move forward and be a better person. You may be surprised at how much happier you'll be. No need to answer this, just EVOLVE.
Cat

''And you're still whining about it and letting him do it.''

I don't and the other subject there is nothing to comment about.

''Let him go because he wasnt worth it, and get the hell over it already.''

This is also something which deserves no reply.

''Work past what hurt and pain he caused and move on already. The more you sit and wallow in it, the most its going to Continue to break your spirit, and you give him power by letting him know about it every time you speak about him.''

Again, this deserves no reply. It is Twyla who has broought up a certain subject and hijacked this thread. This was meant to be a thread about deception and lies, state, political, religious, personal.....anything....and the opening post was merely a poem, that I read as pointing to all of those subjects. Also, it was LDD who brought up the name of a certain person and totally out of the blue and in a post to me. That was quite deliberate and aimed at being personal. He can't even give the real reason why.....although I have not checked that thread, as yet. What I may say on a thread, as long as I do not flame anyone, is entirely up to me. It has not been me who mentioned names. It is me who has been called ''bored housewife etc.'' If that is not flaming...then I don't know what is!!!!

''Quit reciting romantic prose relating time and time again how he broke your heart, and stop letting it eat you up inside.''

Which romantic prose would that be? Are you referring to the thread, which I started, asking people to post their favourite pieces of Shakespeare's poetry and prose? If you think that thread was opened, for any other reason, that to encourage people to share Shakespearian snippets, you are sadly mistaken. I do realise that it was not a thread you contributed to.....but no matter.....plenty of people did. I suggest you read the thread....and notice how some romantic prose and poetry was posted and also other kinds. I fail to see how Shylock's speech from The Merchant of Venice, could be described as romantic, or a piece from Henry V. Those and other pieces.

The second half of your sentence deserves no reply. If I quote ANY poetry or prose, it will be because I like that poetry or prose and it will have nothing to do, with what you suggest.

I am very sorry that I am not a sexually explicit person. It's not my way. I'll leave it to those who are.

''And quit running him down and putting him down every time you see one of his posts.''

This really is old history and not accurate, I comment on posts and usually in a general manner, especially these days. I care not if the poster is male, female, gay, bi, straight, or one of those titles, others might give people. I read the words and comment...or not....upon them. I most certainly do not call people ''assholes,'' ''morons,'' ''troublemakers,'' ''idiots,'' or make such a comment as ''the three personae can be seen in one post.'' I'm still trying to work out, that last one, for no reply or explanation was forthcoming. Indeed no explanations are ever forthcoming, when one (and I do not necessarily mean myself), asks someone to clarify what they mean. If there is no clarification forthcoming, then it tells one, that there was nothing to clarify.

So not only is the sentence I have quoted, inaccurate, it is also incorrect. For I have never put anyone down, anyone, though I may take people to task and as I have seen you do exactly the same thing, sometimes, and in my humble opinion, incorrectly, I really don't see where you are coming from. Unless it's different, if you state certain things, but surely not. We are all, but mere players. upon the field.

''Get over it, and get over Him.''

I would suggest that others, do not, very deliberately bring up a certain person's name. For I did not. Umm the only him, I would use an upper case H for, would be a man called Jesus.....and I try to not bring definite religious names into discussions, unless it is absolutely necessary. I'm more interested in spirituality, these days.

''It happened, you got hurt, now move forward and be a better person.''

Smiles! We are, all of us, moving forward, all of the time.......and I don't need to be a better person.....I am one, already...thank you very much.

''You may be surprised at how much happier you'll be.''

Again, another sentence, not deserving of an answer. I could say something about that......but I most certainly am not going to flame anyone.

''No need to answer this, just EVOLVE.''

You have absolutely no clue, as to how evolved I am. My spiritual growth is an on going thing and it has gone forward leaps and bounds, in the last four years. I am an extremely spiritually aware person and I do not talk about mere belief, but also of understanding. Evolve! I am constantly evolving spiritually and understanding new things. One reason, why I do not wish to sit in the awareness circle at my church. They know how aware I am and they might just have to tie me down, if I became anymore aware.

I don't need any advice. I don't need any home spun wisdom. I did not mention, a certain person's name, another did and yet another, connected to that first person has launched a very deliberate and uncalled for attack on me and I believe this is (and it has to be my belief), all because I did not agree with that person. Well, that's tough. If we all agreed, humankind would not move forwards and moving forwards is so terribly important, don't you agree??

[DuckiesDarling]

Your web is so tangled I'm not even sure Arachne herself could untangle the lies, misdirections and pure fantasy elements.

[Canticle]

Your web is so tangled I'm not even sure Arachne herself could untangle the lies, misdirections and pure fantasy elements.


I don't have a web.

I don't lie and I haven't told any lies. I haven't misdirected anyone. \i don't have any fantasy.

Please point out my lies..in detail.....where I have misdirected anyone.....and what these fantasies are.

You seem to think that you know the truth. if so, who or what has furnished you with what you think is the truth. Please do enlighten me

[DuckiesDarling]

Got an hour? Really, I read your posts on BrotherJack, I read your posts on Canticle, I read the oh poor me he lied to me. What exactly are you pissed about? That he didn't tell he was bi? Oh my that is a crime of the highest order. Read this forum lately, Canticle? Lots of bisexuals don't come out to their friends or partners because of issues. You are living proof that for some people that's a correct thing to do. You are on mental ignore, I will not respond to any more of your posts as brick walls exhibit a greater degree of understanding.

[Canticle]

Got an hour? Really, I read your posts on BrotherJack, I read your posts on Canticle, I read the oh poor me he lied to me. What exactly are you pissed about? That he didn't tell he was bi? Oh my that is a crime of the highest order. Read this forum lately, Canticle? Lots of bisexuals don't come out to their friends or partners because of issues. You are living proof that for some people that's a correct thing to do. You are on mental ignore, I will not respond to any more of your posts as brick walls exhibit a greater degree of understanding.

You do not know what the heck you are talking about. You have no idea of my history with a certain person and yet you immediately assume that I must think this way or that way.

I can assure you that what people have been posting about in the forum, bears no relavence to any relationship and the problems, I have had, with a certain. None whatsoever.

I have spent over 2.5 years, hoping that a certain person would talk. Talk about bisexuality, if that person is actually bisexual and talk about all the lies told to me...unnecessary lies.....from the my first correspondence with that person.

You have done this, just because I did not agree with you about Israel. What a terrible thing to do.

If I had not discovered by accident, that someone was visiting this site, I would never have known about 18 months of lies and then another 2.5 years.

You cannot tell me where I lied...because I have not. You cannot tell me where I have misdirected anyone...because I have not. You cannot tell me what is fantasy.....because there is none.

By the way the 18 months of lies, had nothing to do with hiding a sexuality. You know nothing about me, or another person and yet you do this. You should be ashamed.

All this, because you made a subject debated, so personal to yourself and didn't like anyone disagreeing. That is shocking.

I could go through a certain person's posts and point out lies, made up tales, bits of life, woven into a rich tapestry of fantasy stories, but that wouldn't interest you, because you are only intent on hurting me. How terrible.

I never stopped caring about this certain person and I never will. But do you know something? When a person gets found out as having lied and instead of talking, goes silent, unless he needs someone, it's pretty devastating. To be left, not knowing what is truth or lie, is confusing, distressing and frustrating and ultimately makes you angry. And to realise that the other person doesn't actually care and never does, whoever is hurt, is evern more devastating.

How small minded and cruel, to take disagreement, so personally, that you will go through old posts. How terrible.

[citystyleguy]

when i read your posts, i often find myself asking;

what the hell is the point???

[Canticle]

when i read your posts, i often find myself asking;

what the hell is the point???


You don't have to read them.......but why do you think..''what the hell is the point''.......do tell.......perhaps I can change my style!

Do you think me disagreeing with someone warrants a full scale attack upon me and calling me a liar?

[DuckiesDarling]

:2cents:

[Canticle]

Back to my thread subject.......

Some more things to deceive the eye and one is especially for Fran!!

[darkeyes]

An nì a thig leis a’ghaoith, falbhaidh e leis an uisge. Cha sgeul-rùin e ‘s fios aig triùir air. Bidh cron duine cho mòr ri beinn mun lèir dha fhèin e, is math an sgÃ*than sùil caraide.

[darkeyes]

oo dus like the no sex 1.. assume its that cos can hardly c Johnny baby...:tong:

[DuckiesDarling]

An nì a thig leis a’ghaoith, falbhaidh e leis an uisge. Cha sgeul-rùin e ‘s fios aig triùir air. Bidh cron duine cho mòr ri beinn mun lèir dha fhèin e, is math an sgÃ*than sùil caraide.

Ge milis a’ mhil, cò dh’imlicheadh o bhÃ*rr dri i, Chan i bhò ‘s Ã*irde geum as mò bainne.

[Long Duck Dong]

es luath fear doimeig air fÃ*ire, latha fuar earraich, far an taine ‘n abhainn, ‘s ann as mò a fuaim, cha bhi fios aire math an tobair gus an trÃ*igh e

[Canticle]

oo dus like the no sex 1.. assume its that cos can hardly c Johnny baby...:tong:

Yeah, Johnny was a little difficult to see. Did you ''un-focus'' your eyes Fran? That helps a little....though not much.

Don't speak Scottish gaelic/gallic....whatever it's officially called......but as long as certain people do, guess that is OK.

Keeps the punters entertained.

[Canticle]

Perhaps you feel like translating it, ladies and gent

[Gay2Bi]

es luath fear doimeig air fÃ*ire, latha fuar earraich, far an taine ‘n abhainn, ‘s ann as mò a fuaim, cha bhi fios aire math an tobair gus an trÃ*igh e

Gack! And I'm still trying to work out the Welsh (? - it looks like Welsh) in your signature. The Gaelic should be easier since I have more practice - mainly with songs! - but now it looks like I'll need my dictionary...

Tá scéilin nua 'gam le h-insint dóibhse
CúrsaÃ* spóirt agus comhrá dÃ*,
Úll breá gleoite do chuireas i mo phóca,
'S ni bhfuaras romham ach prátÃ*n sÃ*l.

[Long Duck Dong]

Gack! And I'm still trying to work out the Welsh (? - it looks like Welsh) in your signature. The Gaelic should be easier since I have more practice - mainly with songs! - but now it looks like I'll need my dictionary...

Tá scéilin nua 'gam le h-insint dóibhse
CúrsaÃ* spóirt agus comhrá dÃ*,
Úll breá gleoite do chuireas i mo phóca,
'S ni bhfuaras romham ach prátÃ*n sÃ*l.

tá sé Breatnais, ach scrÃ*ofa ar bhealach a dhéanann sé deacair a aistriú agus a léamh

that may help

[Gay2Bi]

tá sé Breatnais, ach scrÃ*ofa ar bhealach a dhéanann sé deacair a aistriú agus a léamh

that may help

Ah, well, that explains it. And here I thought my Welsh was completely shot. :oh: You succeeded: Tá sé "deacair a aistriú 's a léamh" go cinnte! ;)

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Hey! Ya'll speak English. Some of us just speak English, Cherokee, and Redneck! lol
Multi-lingual Cat

[Long Duck Dong]

Hey! Ya'll speak English. Some of us just speak English, Cherokee, and Redneck! lol
Multi-lingual Cat

Yigaquu osaniyu adanvto adadoligi nigohilvi nasquv utloyasdi nihi Ho! Mitakuye Oyasin

giggles at cherokee...... that better ????

[Gay2Bi]

Hey! Ya'll speak English. Some of us just speak English, Cherokee, and Redneck! lol
Multi-lingual Cat

Don't worry, Cat, I'm still working on my Cherokee, too! ;) I really need to find some songs - I think I learn best when singing. Yelikuuusgo yanádada?*

*Am I even close?

[Canticle]

It seems fairly obvious to me that what ever I try to put on this thread is going to be booted to one side, in some way. Therefore I think that this thread should die a death and disappear from sight.

I have been unfairly attacked by someone and the only reason, that I see for that, is a disagreement about a certain subject, upon one of the threads.

This person makes assumptions and comes to conclusions and those assumptions and conclusions, are entirely incorrect. The person, in question, knows not the full and true story of my relationship with someone, yet assumes that they do.

I have been polite and I will remain polite, but I will defend myself, even if people say, ''No one cares.'' Well, I am the kind of person who does care and if I saw someone being attacked, in the manner I was attacked, I would always have to step in and help that attacked person.

I entered chat tonight and was told, amongst other things to ''bring it on bitch,'' when I had not even typed a word. I was not told that I was biphobic, but I feel that this was inferred. I was told that I had no place upon this site and this by a straight person (who I will not name here), even though I came to this site confused and puzzled and I have found some of the best people here. People who have listened to me and talked to me and helped me. I come here, now, to talk to some of those people and other whom I may encounter.

I never thought that someone, would take a disagreement over an item discussed, in the forum, so personally and launch such an attack. Tonight, I was told that I had, at some point, pmd someone and told the person, that because they are bi, they should not be married, or married to a straight person. I not sure which was really inferred. This is not true. I have never, ever done such a thing, never and I never would. This is not my way.

I have been told by this same person, that I am owed no answers by someone I had a close relationship with and yet this person, who has attacked me, does not know me, the other person, or the whole story. This person can have absolutely no idea, what has gone on, in the four years, that I have known someone and yet I am judged as being the one in the wrong. This is a nasty, personal attack, which I find abhorrent.

I have also been accused of being a stalker, which I am not. How dare that be insinuated. Once again, the person attacking me has no idea what I have had to put up with and yet their are many people, upon this site, who understand exactly what I have suffered.

If I am guilty of anything, it is of caring and loving too much and of wanting, even on line, in chat rooms, to be close to someone. It is very easy to assume that we know what we are talking about, when we don't really have a clue and the person who has attacked me. has absolutely no clue.

It is insinuated, that I am a bored housewife....I am not. It is suggested that I have been cheating on my husband.......I have not. It has been suggested that I flirted with someone and found out that the person had other loves....by googling that person......I do not flirt....I never have been a flirt and I most certainly have not discovered that someone had ''other'' loves, by googling that person. There are no other loves.

This shows how little this person, who has attacked me, knows. To assume, from past posts, that they know what a situation actually is like, beggars belief. It truly does.

I am no liar. It is one of the things that I am proud to say, I have never been. I have friends who trust me and tell me that I have integrity. They trust me to keep a confidence and I always do. I honour the sanctity of the privacy of pm, upon any chat site and I would never reveal to anyone else, what was told to me, in pm That is how I was raised. That is how I raised my own children.

I am not homophobic or biphobic. My beliefs tell me that I must respect the personal belief and disbelief of others, as a person's belief in sacred to them as an individual. I believe in human rights for all people and I would fight for people to have the right to live how they wish, be it their race, creed, colour, or sexuality. If I say such a thing, I mean it and it does not sit well with me when I am accused of something, such as in the pming of someone, when that is not true.

I am not perfect and I have made many mistakes. I regret getting so angry with a certain person, because it is I, who have suffered emotionally and healthwise, because that person was not worth the pain and grief. I have had lies told about me.

It has been told to others that I am a drug addict, when this is not at all true. I have epilepsy and take prescribed medication, to successfully control my seizures.

It has been told to others, that I have threatened to cause harm to a certain person's elderly parents. This too, is a terrible lie. I have a great respect for the person's parents, whom I have never met and I don't know where they live. I would never hurt anyone...never.

It has also been told to other people that I am mentally ill. Strangely enough, no one who knows me, seems to think that I am and two doctors employed me to look after their daughters and they trusted me completely.

My address has been given , on another site, to a person who makes a habit of looking up peoples' info and then posting it in the chat room and creating fake pms, to post, to try to make it look like people have given him info about other chatters. I know that my address could not have been retrieved from any email address or site profile, because I never use my real name when filling in a profile and I never put my own post code. It's pretty scary to have your address pmd to you, in large font.

Yes, I have been foolish and I should have walked away when I found out that someone had been lying to me for 18 months and then continued to lie, but when you love and care about someone...a lot.....you don't always do the sensible thing.

So the person who has launched such a personal attack on me and obviously triggered by my disagreement with them, does not know what they are talking about. The person they see as a victim, is not and in many places is persona non gratis.

I am a decent person, with morals and beliefs and I respect others. I am not rude, always trying to be polite. I've made many mistakes...and all in the name of love and I wish that I had not got so angry, but distress leads to frustration and eventually to anger....because when you are lied to and in a very deliberate manner, one IS owed answers.If one loves and respects a person/people, one explains things properly and not in the dribs and drabs, that I have received and mostly more lies.

So, I will leave the the person who has attacked me to feel very pleased with themself and watch this thread disappear, knowing that it doesn't matter, that I don't matter and that no one really cares. Well, heck. I do!

[Long Duck Dong]

yet again.... the issues erupted, not cos of a difference of opinion between you and another poster in another thread, but statements you make, that are incorrect and untruthful, you have been told that repeatedly......

the issue between you and me, is cos you will not accept that I misread a post a poster made, and I stated I misread it and was wrong, and you refuse to accept that it had NOTHING at all to do with your personal life or issues, and I have stated repeatedly that I have no interest in your personal BS

the issue here is simple.... you will not drop the issues and move on from it as you could have a few days ago.... instead, you brought it up again in chat last night, making statements about members again,..... thats why they confronted you in chat over it....

for crying out loud.... just drop the whole bloody issue and move on.... others are trying to and you keep bringing it back up again and again



It seems fairly obvious to me that what ever I try to put on this thread is going to be booted to one side, in some way. Therefore I think that this thread should die a death and disappear from sight.

I have been unfairly attacked by someone and the only reason, that I see for that, is a disagreement about a certain subject, upon one of the threads.

This person makes assumptions and comes to conclusions and those assumptions and conclusions, are entirely incorrect. The person, in question, knows not the full and true story of my relationship with someone, yet assumes that they do.

I have been polite and I will remain polite, but I will defend myself, even if people say, ''No one cares.'' Well, I am the kind of person who does care and if I saw someone being attacked, in the manner I was attacked, I would always have to step in and help that attacked person.

I entered chat tonight and was told, amongst other things to ''bring it on bitch,'' when I had not even typed a word. I was not told that I was biphobic, but I feel that this was inferred. I was told that I had no place upon this site and this by a straight person (who I will not name here), even though I came to this site confused and puzzled and I have found some of the best people here. People who have listened to me and talked to me and helped me. I come here, now, to talk to some of those people and other whom I may encounter.

I never thought that someone, would take a disagreement over an item discussed, in the forum, so personally and launch such an attack. Tonight, I was told that I had, at some point, pmd someone and told the person, that because they are bi, they should not be married, or married to a straight person. I not sure which was really inferred. This is not true. I have never, ever done such a thing, never and I never would. This is not my way.

I have been told by this same person, that I am owed no answers by someone I had a close relationship with and yet this person, who has attacked me, does not know me, the other person, or the whole story. This person can have absolutely no idea, what has gone on, in the four years, that I have known someone and yet I am judged as being the one in the wrong. This is a nasty, personal attack, which I find abhorrent.

I have also been accused of being a stalker, which I am not. How dare that be insinuated. Once again, the person attacking me has no idea what I have had to put up with and yet their are many people, upon this site, who understand exactly what I have suffered.

If I am guilty of anything, it is of caring and loving too much and of wanting, even on line, in chat rooms, to be close to someone. It is very easy to assume that we know what we are talking about, when we don't really have a clue and the person who has attacked me. has absolutely no clue.

It is insinuated, that I am a bored housewife....I am not. It is suggested that I have been cheating on my husband.......I have not. It has been suggested that I flirted with someone and found out that the person had other loves....by googling that person......I do not flirt....I never have been a flirt and I most certainly have not discovered that someone had ''other'' loves, by googling that person. There are no other loves.

This shows how little this person, who has attacked me, knows. To assume, from past posts, that they know what a situation actually is like, beggars belief. It truly does.

I am no liar. It is one of the things that I am proud to say, I have never been. I have friends who trust me and tell me that I have integrity. They trust me to keep a confidence and I always do. I honour the sanctity of the privacy of pm, upon any chat site and I would never reveal to anyone else, what was told to me, in pm That is how I was raised. That is how I raised my own children.

I am not homophobic or biphobic. My beliefs tell me that I must respect the personal belief and disbelief of others, as a person's belief in sacred to them as an individual. I believe in human rights for all people and I would fight for people to have the right to live how they wish, be it their race, creed, colour, or sexuality. If I say such a thing, I mean it and it does not sit well with me when I am accused of something, such as in the pming of someone, when that is not true.

I am not perfect and I have made many mistakes. I regret getting so angry with a certain person, because it is I, who have suffered emotionally and healthwise, because that person was not worth the pain and grief. I have had lies told about me.

It has been told to others that I am a drug addict, when this is not at all true. I have epilepsy and take prescribed medication, to successfully control my seizures.

It has been told to others, that I have threatened to cause harm to a certain person's elderly parents. This too, is a terrible lie. I have a great respect for the person's parents, whom I have never met and I don't know where they live. I would never hurt anyone...never.

It has also been told to other people that I am mentally ill. Strangely enough, no one who knows me, seems to think that I am and two doctors employed me to look after their daughters and they trusted me completely.

My address has been given , on another site, to a person who makes a habit of looking up peoples' info and then posting it in the chat room and creating fake pms, to post, to try to make it look like people have given him info about other chatters. I know that my address could not have been retrieved from any email address or site profile, because I never use my real name when filling in a profile and I never put my own post code. It's pretty scary to have your address pmd to you, in large font.

Yes, I have been foolish and I should have walked away when I found out that someone had been lying to me for 18 months and then continued to lie, but when you love and care about someone...a lot.....you don't always do the sensible thing.

So the person who has launched such a personal attack on me and obviously triggered by my disagreement with them, does not know what they are talking about. The person they see as a victim, is not and in many places is persona non gratis.

I am a decent person, with morals and beliefs and I respect others. I am not rude, always trying to be polite. I've made many mistakes...and all in the name of love and I wish that I had not got so angry, but distress leads to frustration and eventually to anger....because when you are lied to and in a very deliberate manner, one IS owed answers.If one loves and respects a person/people, one explains things properly and not in the dribs and drabs, that I have received and mostly more lies.

So, I will leave the the person who has attacked me to feel very pleased with themself and watch this thread disappear, knowing that it doesn't matter, that I don't matter and that no one really cares. Well, heck. I do!

[Canticle]

No untruths from me...just my observations of things watched and things read and also my opinions. I don't lie.

[Long Duck Dong]

you have been told and told and told the correct version....and refuse to accept it.... cos its a non issue..... but you want to turn it into a personal issue and play the victim......

so again..... just drop it..... and there will be no more issues...... the issues between you and another male member are between you and him... keep it that way

[Canticle]

you have been told and told and told the correct version....and refuse to accept it.... cos its a non issue..... but you want to turn it into a personal issue and play the victim......

so again..... just drop it..... and there will be no more issues...... the issues between you and another male member are between you and him... keep it that way

Funny innit....I have been keeping it a non issue for months. I didn't post his name in a post on the Gaza thread and I am not the one who launched a personal attack upon anyone. Scroll back and you can see and I do not launch attacks upon people in the chat room ( last night I was conversing with you, after you ''snorted,'' at something I typed). I will remain polite. I am not responsible for other people attacking me and for absolutely no need. I hope you found your escapade into gaelic amusing! Now that wasn't done deliberately...was it?

[Canticle]

By the way, I never play the victim. I leave that for others to do. If ever I am a victim, I don't need to boast about it. However, if I am attacked, I will defend myself, just as I would defend others. You had no need to mention a certain person's name and certainly not in a post to me. Too much of a coincidence.

[Long Duck Dong]

I was replying to fran, within the context of your thread......
last night, i only reacted after witnessing you talking about how people were *personally attacking * you.. to a person that was not involved or connected in any way.... there was no reason for you to bring it into the chat.... at all

and you chose to take my acknowledge of my misunderstanding of a post by another poster, to be something other than what it was..... you made it personal.... I asked you to drop it.... you have refused....

there is no reason for it to continue and definitely no reason for it to continue in chat where it offended and annoyed a number of people..... regardless of who said what.....

you already have one banned account cos of issues in the site.... surely that would be a hint to let sleeping dogs lay

[Canticle]

I was replying to fran, within the context of your thread......
last night, i only reacted after witnessing you talking about how people were *personally attacking * you.. to a person that was not involved or connected in any way.... there was no reason for you to bring it into the chat.... at all

and you chose to take my acknowledge of my misunderstanding of a post by another poster, to be something other than what it was..... you made it personal.... I asked you to drop it.... you have refused....

there is no reason for it to continue and definitely no reason for it to continue in chat where it offended and annoyed a number of people..... regardless of who said what.....

you already have one banned account cos of issues in the site.... surely that would be a hint to let sleeping dogs lay

I've done nothing wrong and that is what makes me weep

[Long Duck Dong]

I've done nothing wrong and that is what makes me weep

then believe it and drop all the issues.....

[Canticle]

Your post is interesting LDD, because you tell me to drop all the issues and yet it was not I, who raised any. It was not I who raised a name, in a post to me, when there was no need and it has not I, who has been rude and insulting to me, or to anyone.

The insults to me are in text and are there for all to see. I have remained polite and will do so. I have not taken posts upon a thread, about a serious incident, personally and then launched an attack, upon anyone.

I did not raise any issues and yet, if I am correct, you feel it is I who should drop the issues. Am I not allowed to defend myself, when unfairly attacked? I guess not. At least, from what I can gauge, not in your opinion.

I can rest easy, knowing that I have not been rude to anyone and shall not be drawn into name calling, or false making accusations, or slanderous comments.

[darkeyes]

Canticle..will u clear some bloody space in your inbox.... how u expect messages wenya hav a full box!!!:tong:

[MissyMissy]

I always liked this someone attempted to deceive me but it did not work well. It made a lot of persons sad. My real friends hearts were broken but I will slowly feel better.

[void()]

Void stops and listens a moment.

"Bullocks and Codswallop! Bring out yer bullocks and codswallop!"

Void looks to the sky, nods at the solar array. "Yep, bout that time, reckon."

Frankly, there is a lot of smoke. Probably too much. I won't pretend to know all. But I do know if there's smoke, got to be fire. Further, i know guilty foxes always poke their heads out of the hole first.

But ... here's a kicker. "Never walk alone, ... always hang together."

I doubt anyone involved with site can even hope to imagine themselves a saint, even their most wildest dreams. So? Let's move the past to behind us and keep on keeping on, shall we?

I think the greatest deception belongs to a fellow called Harry Houdini. That was his stage name, a magician he was/is. Did you know that now, the authorities can not find his remains? He was sealed in a very restrictive coffin, above ground in plain view. But yet, he's gone.

It's said that he called a priest in for last rites, only to tell the priest he'd show up the Christ. The priest of course did not finish last rites, would not forgive him of his wretched 'blasphemy'. Well, Harry ain't resting no mo. Who be laughing?

Makes you wonder, was he really dead? How did he escape the tomb? Is there some logical and plausible explanation?

I think maybe Mer Wyn ought to return, just to Suess, Harry out. Besides, Copperfield has his grimore, the blackguarded black dragon he is. That's just not right ... *sigh*

Oh yeah, and we need more of those fish folks, selkies, or sirens, merpeople. They sure could help teach us a lot round now. Bah, what do I know? ;)

[Canticle]

Canticle..will u clear some bloody space in your inbox.... how u expect messages wenya hav a full box!!!:tong:

Will do...Fran.....lol

[darkeyes]

*twiddles thumbs waiting*

*Sings "Why are we waiting.."*

*Giggles*

[Canticle]

Void stops and listens a moment.

"Bullocks and Codswallop! Bring out yer bullocks and codswallop!"

Void looks to the sky, nods at the solar array. "Yep, bout that time, reckon."

Frankly, there is a lot of smoke. Probably too much. I won't pretend to know all. But I do know if there's smoke, got to be fire. Further, i know guilty foxes always poke their heads out of the hole first.

But ... here's a kicker. "Never walk alone, ... always hang together."

I doubt anyone involved with site can even hope to imagine themselves a saint, even their most wildest dreams. So? Let's move the past to behind us and keep on keeping on, shall we?

I think the greatest deception belongs to a fellow called Harry Houdini. That was his stage name, a magician he was/is. Did you know that now, the authorities can not find his remains? He was sealed in a very restrictive coffin, above ground in plain view. But yet, he's gone.

It's said that he called a priest in for last rites, only to tell the priest he'd show up the Christ. The priest of course did not finish last rites, would not forgive him of his wretched 'blasphemy'. Well, Harry ain't resting no mo. Who be laughing?

Makes you wonder, was he really dead? How did he escape the tomb? Is there some logical and plausible explanation?

I think maybe Mer Wyn ought to return, just to Suess, Harry out. Besides, Copperfield has his grimore, the blackguarded black dragon he is. That's just not right ... *sigh*

Oh yeah, and we need more of those fish folks, selkies, or sirens, merpeople. They sure could help teach us a lot round now. Bah, what do I know? ;)

Ah, well....I'm sure that you know what you're on about. I always thought Houdini was Jewish......I could be wrong there.......unless he was a covert to Christianity.......as if it matters now........

[Long Duck Dong]

Your post is interesting LDD, because you tell me to drop all the issues and yet it was not I, who raised any. It was not I who raised a name, in a post to me, when there was no need and it has not I, who has been rude and insulting to me, or to anyone.

The insults to me are in text and are there for all to see. I have remained polite and will do so. I have not taken posts upon a thread, about a serious incident, personally and then launched an attack, upon anyone.

I did not raise any issues and yet, if I am correct, you feel it is I who should drop the issues. Am I not allowed to defend myself, when unfairly attacked? I guess not. At least, from what I can gauge, not in your opinion.

I can rest easy, knowing that I have not been rude to anyone and shall not be drawn into name calling, or false making accusations, or slanderous comments.

do a search using the search option at the top of the screen, and use the words semi sane guy and tell me again, why your first account, brotherjack got banned......

[Canticle]

I will not rise to any bait, I will keep my counsel and therefore keep my honour. Many things are never as they seem and this I know.

[Long Duck Dong]

and that is my point....... you proclaim your innocence and fine upstanding character..... and preach the evils of others......
yet, by your own hand, did you remove your own halo.....

so again..... can the issues just be left to rest..... there is no reason for issues to continue... it serves no purpose.... and that all I am asking..... yet again

[gooniegoogoo]

and that is my point....... you proclaim your innocence and fine upstanding character..... and preach the evils of others......
yet, by your own hand, did you remove your own halo.....

so again..... can the issues just be left to rest..... there is no reason for issues to continue... it serves no purpose.... and that all I am asking..... yet again

What the fuck is this? Some Shakespearian play that I'm unaware of?

[lovescum2]

Does this record have a scratch? I keep hearing the same song over, and over, and over, and over....Etc.etc.... Get my Point? :banghead: