Bounty On Coyotes

[rdy2go]

Today the Government of Nova Scotia levied a 20 Dollar bounty on coyote pelts. Even though government wild life experts told them it won't work. Yeah there have been some attacks of coyotes on people, there was even a tragic death in the province last fall where a young woman died of her injuries resulting from being attacked by coyotes. However, the research shows that it won't work. As we deplete the coyote population the small rodents that are the natural prey of these animals will increase, very quickly, bunnies reproduce fast don't ya know, and therfor the populous of coyotes will rebound quickly and likely in greater numbers. This will make the problem worse in the future, band aid solutions hardly ever have any long term success.

The worst part about this is that we, humans, caused the problem in the first place. We cut down forests and develop the land that is an animals natural habitant, then when they have no place to go, and contact with humans is inevetible the solution is to kill em all! While I beleive that no person should be attacked, hurt or killed by an animal, we have to take the blame for our own misfortune. Coyotes, bears, wolves and other preditory animals are just doing their thing. Surviving. Which is what we do as well, but our opposable thumbs do not give us the right to destroy the habitant of the wildlife, then knock 'em off for a mere 20 bucks a head!

The soulution does not lie in the senseless destruction of the natural beauty of the world, the soulution is in sound land management practices and using common fucking sense! I was driving through the outlying areas of a town the other day, to my right, clear cutting and a huge bill board advertising the construction of a new subdivision. To my left, an area of abandoned warehouses vacant for years and years. Why couldn't the developer buy the abandond building and leave the wilderness alone? Oh yeah I know! Cheaper to buy the tree covered land than the abandond warehouses. Grrrr! It pisses me off to no end!

The reaon given for this kill off is that there is an over population of coyotes in NS. There are those who think that there is an overpopulation problem with humans in the world, so according to the Government of Nova Scotia the logical step in solving that problem would be... think about it!

[TwylaTwobits]

Sorry, Rdy, but in my eyes coyotes are varmints and I have killed a few in my time. They are around here in Kentucky and have attacked pets, farm animals and sometimes children. There is actually a policy in place for how to hunt them here. Coyotes in Ky (http://www.ca.uky.edu/agc/PUBS/for/for37/for37.htm)

I do agree that it would be better if they built in areas where the land was already cleared or developed but that makes just a bit too much sense doesn't it?

[Long Duck Dong]

in nz, we do rodent population culls..... and its heavily monitored and capped....
the reason behind that, is that things have to be kept balanced.....

rodents are things like possums, rabbits, goats and non lethal culls for wild horses etc

there are areas that they do poison drops, which is something I do not agree with, as that can be non discriminating and kill more than the intended targets..... but there is cost factors involved...... and there is not that many of the old rodent hunters left.....

the pelts that we did collect, supported the nz fur industry ( tho the greenies has done everything in their power to screw that up )....and the meat became pet food...... so it was not random and senseless slaughtering..... it was a balanced cull that for better or worse, needed to be done to keep things in balance.....

the damage caused by rabbits on a forest plantation can devastate it within months.... and that can heavily impact of reforestation and sustainable resource management......


what I would have done, is a circular culling plan that is aimed as sustainable management..... you aim to get a balanced and manageable number of the animal population, year after year..... and using skilled hunters, lowers the chances of rare and endangered animals being killed by poison drops....

its not the best solution and is only a way to reduce the issues, but as you say, we created the issues in the first place.....

personally, I love coyotes and hate the idea of killing them, but I also understand that there are times that action is needed to be taken to keep things in balance....... and yes, the coyotes are only doing what comes naturally, and thats trying to defend themselves, protect their young and find food

[TwylaTwobits]

Doesn't tell Duckie the love of his life has been a card carrying member of the NRA for many years :)

[Long Duck Dong]

Doesn't tell Duckie the love of his life has been a card carrying member of the NRA for many years :)

nudges twyla, I carry a gun.... its easier to shoot with :tong:

[MarieDelta]

COyotes are one of the animals that have bennefited from western civ. They used to be mostly in the western US, at the moment there is no state in the us that doesnt have a population of Coyotes.

[TwylaTwobits]

ROFL....ummm babe, does that gun fire blanks? ;)

Back to the thread topic, yes the balance is what it is about but when you deal with things that threaten your pets, your children, your animals, your livelihood...balance isn't something you think about. You deal with them as you have been instructed. I am not into wanton killing of any animal, nor into making an animal suffer by taking an ill conceived shot. One shot, one kill. It's all I ever needed when going after coyotes after my dogs or rabbits after my vegetables. Only animal that got a pass was deer, and that's cause the hunting season wasn't in on Bambi :)

[Miehm]

Today the Government of Nova Scotia levied a 20 Dollar bounty on coyote pelts. Even though government wild life experts told them it won't work. Yeah there have been some attacks of coyotes on people, there was even a tragic death in the province last fall where a young woman died of her injuries resulting from being attacked by coyotes. However, the research shows that it won't work. As we deplete the coyote population the small rodents that are the natural prey of these animals will increase, very quickly, bunnies reproduce fast don't ya know, and therfor the populous of coyotes will rebound quickly and likely in greater numbers. This will make the problem worse in the future, band aid solutions hardly ever have any long term success.

The worst part about this is that we, humans, caused the problem in the first place. We cut down forests and develop the land that is an animals natural habitant, then when they have no place to go, and contact with humans is inevetible the solution is to kill em all! While I beleive that no person should be attacked, hurt or killed by an animal, we have to take the blame for our own misfortune. Coyotes, bears, wolves and other preditory animals are just doing their thing. Surviving. Which is what we do as well, but our opposable thumbs do not give us the right to destroy the habitant of the wildlife, then knock 'em off for a mere 20 bucks a head!

The soulution does not lie in the senseless destruction of the natural beauty of the world, the soulution is in sound land management practices and using common fucking sense! I was driving through the outlying areas of a town the other day, to my right, clear cutting and a huge bill board advertising the construction of a new subdivision. To my left, an area of abandoned warehouses vacant for years and years. Why couldn't the developer buy the abandond building and leave the wilderness alone? Oh yeah I know! Cheaper to buy the tree covered land than the abandond warehouses. Grrrr! It pisses me off to no end!

The reaon given for this kill off is that there is an over population of coyotes in NS. There are those who think that there is an overpopulation problem with humans in the world, so according to the Government of Nova Scotia the logical step in solving that problem would be... think about it!

Yaknow, we have a bounty on Coyote here in Virginia, and it actually works pretty well. We haven't got nearly the problem we used to.

[rdy2go]

Well the problem is here now and it has to be dealt with, they did the same thing in the 90's a bounty on them, the experts back then said the same thing, don't do it it won't work. They were right then and will be right again, unless, once they eliminate them they do the right things to ensure they don't rebound as history tells us they will. If the precautions aren't taken we will be in the same boat in 15 years, except worse. I am not trying to deny the fact that there is a problem that has to be addressed, but, nature has kept the balance for countless millenia, until humans decided that humans can do a better job than nature does. Things like intrducing species into areas to control the over population of other species,and there are no natural predators, to control the introduced species. Pure genius! Oh well, we will get them under control for a few years anyhow, I just hope the 20 buck bounty doesn't cost some innocent person in the woods his life when the huntin' begins. Or at least mandate trapping only. What ever.

[rdy2go]

Yaknow, we have a bounty on Coyote here in Virginia, and it actually works pretty well. We haven't got nearly the problem we used to.

The bounty in Virginia, is it a permanent thing, or seasonal? From what I understand the way they will do it here is a free for all until a certian number are culled, then it stops, it seems that is where the problem starts all over. Maybe the bounty needs to be permanent or seasonl so there is a constant control of the population.

[Miehm]

Pretty sure it's seasonal, but I'd have to check the laws.

[MarieDelta]

Well the problem is here now and it has to be dealt with, they did the same thing in the 90's a bounty on them, the experts back then said the same thing, don't do it it won't work. They were right then and will be right again, unless, once they eliminate them they do the right things to ensure they don't rebound as history tells us they will. If the precautions aren't taken we will be in the same boat in 15 years, except worse. I am not trying to deny the fact that there is a problem that has to be addressed, but, nature has kept the balance for countless millenia, until humans decided that humans can do a better job than nature does. Things like intrducing species into areas to control the over population of other species,and there are no natural predators, to control the introduced species. Pure genius! Oh well, we will get them under control for a few years anyhow, I just hope the 20 buck bounty doesn't cost some innocent person in the woods his life when the huntin' begins. Or at least mandate trapping only. What ever.

Trapping is very inhumane and mostly ineffective on coyotes. They do deserve their name "wily coyote". Probably why they are one of the trickster spirits

Where I come from there was a permanent bounty on coyotes. And the license to hunt a pig was around $5 - pigs are also a non native animal and a nuisance to farmers.

As far as loss of life due to hunting accidents, well that is what hunters education is for.

All that being said, I'm not real big into hunting...

[12voltman59]

We've got plenty of coyote right around me in the burbs--I sure have them up at my lake place---we have fox, bobcat and other critters like that around there too.

I have never had too much trouble with coyotes--but I don't let my cats out because I know they are around and will take a cat if they can get one, same with some of the owls we have too. I have a huge ancient sugar maple that has been home to a series of owls for at least 20 years now----I don't know exactly what type they are ---but they are some big ones

I know that friends who have farms are more concerned with packs of free roaming domesticated dogs killing their livestock---especially some friends who are raising goats and sheep-----they do say that coyote will of course take baby goats and sheep----but at least it is to eat----my one particular friend says that he doesn't like that--but he understands that the coyotes are killing to eat and live---but with the packs of the dogs--some of them belonging to neighbors in his area----they will kill not only baby sheep and goats too--but the adults too. With the dogs---they don't eat them--they just seem to want to kill something--so his policy is and in his state of Indiana its legal for him to kill dogs that are attacking livestock--he shoots to kill the pack dogs when he sees them and usually doesn't do more than throw some firecrackers at the coyotes to scare them off. He has even had the dogs take down and kill some of his cows and cattle--he raises both for milk and meat. What really pissed him off about the dogs----he and his wife raise horses for show--and the damn dogs have attacked his horses and he sure as hell doesn't like that!!! The coyotes would never even try to do that!

[rdy2go]

I heard an interview with an official on the bounty today. They are going to use "Humane" live traps. The trapper will kill the catch when he checks his traps. The guy went on to say that this is not a cull of the traditional nature. The trappers are only allowed to take the aggressive animals. So how's that gonna work? A sign over the trap door that says, "Only mean coyotes need apply." Cause even if it's not aggressive if it's in a trap and confined how do you think it will act when it sees the hunter? And will the hunter let the 20 bucks walk? I know we have to thin 'em out but there needs to be a better way. Maybe there is still a raptor or T-rex (not the band!) on Jurrasic Park, the Gov't could seen someone to get those and bring them in to do the job! Nuke 'em maybe? Yeah I'm being silly but it's kind of a wierd scenario the let develpo. I must be missing some facts, I have to be!

[Pasadenacpl2]

When I read the thread title, the first thing I thought of was Mexican human trafficers. We call those Coyotes (though, pronounced in the Spanish fashion). THOSE people need a bounty on their heads. I still remember the visions of the people locked in the 18 wheeler trailer (18 dead) when it was opened up. *shudder*

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[rdy2go]

When I read the thread title, the first thing I thought of was Mexican human trafficers. We call those Coyotes (though, pronounced in the Spanish fashion). THOSE people need a bounty on their heads. I still remember the visions of the people locked in the 18 wheeler trailer (18 dead) when it was opened up. *shudder*

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Your Coyote problem seems to be worse than ours! Geez!