Shemales

[bicuriousman2]

As a bisexual male, I always fantasize about sex with a male and a female.

Last week i saw a movie with a shemale in it, who was so hot, i almost lost it.
she had beautiful breasts, firm ass, and a thick sexy cock.

Now, as a bi male, how many would think that it would be hot to be able to have sex with someone that you can do anal sex too, but who can turn you over and do anal sex to you, and has firm breasts and a great ass!

Someone you can kiss, with beautiful lips and sexy stomach, and a hot cock between the legs, can it be any better?

[Long Duck Dong]

what you can be talking about, can be a inter sex person.... a lady born with a working penis or a trans natured person that has not transitioned fully.... ( they are more accepted terms rather than shemale....)

either way, yes, it would be very nice.... even I have admitted in the site as that would be pretty much a ideal partner for me....but I am the type of person that is more into long term relationships, so for me it would need to be a intersex person or a trans that is not gonna fully transition.....

its like the complete partner in one for me..... and no need to go outside of the relationship.... so woo hoo life long monogamy with all the trimmings.......
( wonders if twyla wants add ons ??? ) :tongue:

[olebear]

[QUOTE=Long Duck Dong;164017]what you can be talking about, can be a inter sex person.... a lady born with a working penis or a trans natured person that has not transitioned fully.... ( they are more accepted terms rather than shemale....)



I have to agree with LDD on that one, shemale is a bad word. The most common place I see the word used is in porn and that makes it seem kind of whorish.
Most of these lady’s going through transition are just that “Lady‘s” and deserve the greatest amount of respect and support we can give them.

[darkeyes]

It is an awful word.. akin to calling a black person "nigger", a chinese "chink" or an Italian an "Eytie".. or to bring it closer to home.. a gay man "poof", woman "dyke" or a bi-person simply "bent".. it is a word of contempt nothing less, and hardly descriptive of the reality of being transgendered and I wish we could get away from using such contemtuous descriptors for other human beings.

Want them and fancy them thats fine.. but show them respect while you lust.. they are human beings who are unique just like any other..:)

[Doggie_Wood]

Thank you Fran - I couldn't have said it better myself (this early in the morning before having my 5 cups of coffee).
As a lover of trans-women, they are in spirit and essence very much "Ladies".
Some T-Ladies are pre-op, some are non-op and yet others are post-op.
Just because some do not choose to have SRS (Sexual Reassignment Surgery) does't make them any less a lady. They are beautiful, and alluring at the same time.
Gotta love 'em!

Doggie :doggie:

[19biman61]

Whatever you call them, A male to female transgendered person would be the perfect girl for me! I would only hope that she doesn't want to fully transition. I've been hoping to meet one to start a relationship with.

[DareMe]

what you can be talking about, can be a inter sex person.... a lady born with a working penis or a trans natured person that has not transitioned fully.... ( they are more accepted terms rather than shemale....)

either way, yes, it would be very nice.... even I have admitted in the site as that would be pretty much a ideal partner for me....but I am the type of person that is more into long term relationships, so for me it would need to be a intersex person or a trans that is not gonna fully transition.....

its like the complete partner in one for me..... and no need to go outside of the relationship.... so woo hoo life long monogamy with all the trimmings.......
( wonders if twyla wants add ons ??? ) :tongue:

Let me start by saying that I agree that the word SheMale can be taken with a certain negative connotation. I disagree that it is a bad word, the usage of it over the years has draped over it a voile of pornographic undertones.

Having said that, that word also captures something that is not fully understood with the other more acceptable term of TransGendered or transsexual or just Trans.

You are considered Transsexual either a Male in the process of becoming a woman or the other way around, a woman taking hormones to become more masculine.

If this is confusing, you don't want to hear what I have to say about the word "Gay". Another one of my favorite words whose meaning has suffer some usurpation over the years. Mind you, I prefer it to the other pejoratives used to describe that community!

DM

[fredtyg]

I don't see anything offensive in the word shemale and I consider them to offer the best of both worlds.

[bemyonlyone]

Hi.

I just want to tell you that the word "shemale" is a word that I personally find very offensive. It's like "he-she" or some other similarly offensive term.

[Long Duck Dong]

Let me start by saying that I agree that the word SheMale can be taken with a certain negative connotation. I disagree that it is a bad word, the usage of it over the years has draped over it a voile of pornographic undertones.

Having said that, that word also captures something that is not fully understood with the other more acceptable term of TransGendered or transsexual or just Trans.

You are considered Transsexual either a Male in the process of becoming a woman or the other way around, a woman taking hormones to become more masculine.

If this is confusing, you don't want to hear what I have to say about the word "Gay". Another one of my favorite words whose meaning has suffer some usurpation over the years. Mind you, I prefer it to the other pejoratives used to describe that community!

DM

thats why I added the intersex part..... they are not trans people per se, but born uniquely and * gifted *.... the * old * term is hermaphrodite.....
but we tend to forget about them a lot.... cos trans sexual and trans gender are more widely spoken about

[MarieDelta]

It is an awful word.. akin to calling a black person "nigger", a chinese "chink" or an Italian an "Eytie".. or to bring it closer to home.. a gay man "poof", woman "dyke" or a bi-person simply "bent".. it is a word of contempt nothing less, and hardly descriptive of the reality of being transgendered and I wish we could get away from using such contemtuous descriptors for other human beings.

Want them and fancy them thats fine.. but show them respect while you lust.. they are human beings who are unique just like any other..:)


Thank you Fran - I couldn't have said it better myself (this early in the morning before having my 5 cups of coffee).
As a lover of trans-women, they are in spirit and essence very much "Ladies".
Some T-Ladies are pre-op, some are non-op and yet others are post-op.
Just because some do not choose to have SRS (Sexual Reassignment Surgery) does't make them any less a lady. They are beautiful, and alluring at the same time.
Gotta love 'em!

Doggie :doggie:

Couldn't have said it better myself, thanks guys.

"She-male", "chick with a dick" these are constructions of the pornography industry. Used to sell their particular bran d of merchandise. While there may be some people who identify as such, the rest of the transsexual/ transgendered communtity considers them to be slurs.

If you wish to get close enough to one of us to find out what we are like, I highly suggest that you do not use these terms.

[bemyonlyone]

Couldn't have said it better myself, thanks guys.

"She-male", "chick with a dick" these are constructions of the pornography industry. Used to sell their particular bran d of merchandise. While there may be some people who identify as such, the rest of the transsexual/ transgendered communtity considers them to be slurs.

If you wish to get close enough to one of us to find out what we are like, I highly suggest that you do not use these terms.


Absolutely is a slur, and I think the OP should apologize. I would think he'd know better than to use that word, being a member of the lgbt community.

[MarieDelta]

thats why I added the intersex part..... they are not trans people per se, but born uniquely and * gifted *.... the * old * term is hermaphrodite.....
but we tend to forget about them a lot.... cos trans sexual and trans gender are more widely spoken about

Hermaphrodite was dropped because it was innacurate. there a very few "true" hermaphrodites.

Intersex conditions are very diverse.
( https://health.google.com/health/ref/Intersex )

[Long Duck Dong]

nods, marie...

based around my knowledge of things, I am more inclined to think its a M2F trans.... as they are generally more common in porn vids.....

from memory, there is about 7 pornos in total with true hermaphrodites.... and one is bi and beyond 3? switch hitters... but they are pretty old vids....

[rissababynta]

Absolutely is a slur, and I think the OP should apologize. I would think he'd know better than to use that word, being a member of the lgbt community.

Just because you are a member of the lgbt community does not mean that you automatically know everything. Last time I checked, when I joined the club I didn't receive a pamphlet and a membership card with all the information I need to know. So yes, I think that he should apologize too, but calm down a tad. It was a mistake...

[MarieDelta]

None of us are born knowing this stuff. I'm ok with mistakes...

I've made my share of mistakes in my time.

*makes note to send LGBTTIQQ2SA packet w/agenda to Rissa*

[rissababynta]

None of us are born knowing this stuff. I'm ok with mistakes...

I've made my share of mistakes in my time.

*makes note to send LGBTTIQQ2SA packet w/agenda to Rissa*

Damn it! I had a feeling that it existed! I'll give you my address later :tong:

[MarieDelta]

I'd PDF it to ya , but it also has *rainbow stickers*:tong:

[bemyonlyone]

Just because you are a member of the lgbt community does not mean that you automatically know everything. Last time I checked, when I joined the club I didn't receive a pamphlet and a membership card with all the information I need to know. So yes, I think that he should apologize too, but calm down a tad. It was a mistake...

I am calm.

And yeah, it was definitely a mistake.

And being a member of the lgbt means you should be educated about these things, imo.

[darkeyes]

I am calm.

And yeah, it was definitely a mistake.

And being a member of the lgbt means you should be educated about these things, imo.

I'm not quite sure you meant it this way but to be exact it is being part of lgbt it is a prerequisite that you get educated about these things... we don't know everything when we realise what and who we are and our responsibilities to others...:)

[bemyonlyone]

Maybe I don't understand because in the first few years I simply immersed myself in everything lgbt. I guess I don't understand others who don't have that natural desire to know, and curiosity. I guess for some it's about sex a lot more, obviously for me it's can't be about that, I just had a desire to learn all I could.

[csrakate]

I am calm.

And yeah, it was definitely a mistake.

And being a member of the lgbt means you should be educated about these things, imo.

And part of that education is the learning process where you make a mistake and you learn from it....doesn't mean it was intentional..doesn't mean it was meant to hurt feelings....doesn't always require punishment. Hopefully the OP has learned from his mistake and will not repeat it. Enough said.

[darkeyes]

Maybe I don't understand because in the first few years I simply immersed myself in everything lgbt. I guess I don't understand others who don't have that natural desire to know, and curiosity. I guess for some it's about sex a lot more, obviously for me it's can't be about that, I just had a desire to learn all I could.

... and learning all you can about something is never a bad thing...:) We should learn till the day we die, because failure to do so means we are brain dead whether or not we still breathe and walk the streets... and it serves us right..:(

[bwitme]

are there any shemales on here from mass achusetts?:tong: get back to me!

[csrakate]

are there any shemales on here from mass achusetts?:tong: get back to me!
So much for the learning experience. After 23 posts, someone hasn't learned a thing.

[tenni]

Ok...Ladies...Are you going to permit the man's question to be dealt with? He made a mistake in his use of words but he was referring to male porn as some have pointed out.

Are female bisexuals attracted to transexual m2f part way through their transition? I know that some male bisexuals are attracted to m2f in porn. As the OP points out, he sees the benefit of female sexual parts and yet he may be a bottom for the m2f transexual. I personally suspect that in real life a lot of m2f transexuals would not want to penetrate a man but I may be wrong? None of the women who have posted have stated that they are sexually attracted to m2f transexuals. Would any of these women appreciate a m2f transexual who may have some female parts but be able to penetrate them sexually?

As a biguy, I personally am not sexually attracted to m2f transexuals. I prefer the complete package but separate packages in any porn images. I'm also not interested in being a bottom for anyone and that may impact my perspective.

[csrakate]

Ok...Ladies...Are you going to permit the man's question to be dealt with? He made a mistake in his use of words but he was referring to male porn as some have pointed out.

Are female bisexuals attracted to transexual m2f part way through their transition? I know that some male bisexuals are attracted to m2f in porn. None of the women who have posted have stated that they are sexually attracted to m2f transexuals.

As a biguy, I personally am not sexually attracted to m2f transexuals. I prefer the complete package but separate package in any porn images.

Come on Tenni...men replied to this "mistake" as well...don't make it about gender....it's offensive to both male and females...and in the OP's best interest, he was told. I for one think he made an honest mistake....but don't chastise just the women for pointing it out.

[MarieDelta]

Maybe I don't understand because in the first few years I simply immersed myself in everything lgbt. I guess I don't understand others who don't have that natural desire to know, and curiosity. I guess for some it's about sex a lot more, obviously for me it's can't be about that, I just had a desire to learn all I could.

Me too, but not everyone thinks like us dear. Some folks operate more on *hormones*.

Oh for those of you interested in finding partners who are transsexual/ transgendered check out

http://urnotalone.com/

http://www.transqueernation.com/

[MarieDelta]

Ok...Ladies...Are you going to permit the man's question to be dealt with? He made a mistake in his use of words but he was referring to male porn as some have pointed out.

Are female bisexuals attracted to transexual m2f part way through their transition? I know that some male bisexuals are attracted to m2f in porn. As the OP points out, he sees the benefit of female sexual parts and yet he may be a bottom for the m2f transexual. I personally suspect that in real life a lot of m2f transexuals would not want to penetrate a man but I may be wrong? None of the women who have posted have stated that they are sexually attracted to m2f transexuals. Would any of these women appreciate a m2f transexual who may have some female parts but be able to penetrate them sexually?

As a biguy, I personally am not sexually attracted to m2f transexuals. I prefer the complete package but separate packages in any porn images. I'm also not interested in being a bottom for anyone and that may impact my perspective.

For what its worth I have lovers who are male and female...

Some men arent turned on by Mtf's & some women are. It's like anything else.

If you want to know what I get up to *in my bed*. That's a whole different disscusion. One I'd prefer to keep private.

I dont think you can generalize about transwomen wanting to top (or not) some like it, some dont. Depends on he person. And no, you dont have to use "it" to top...

[tenni]

Kate
I take so long editing my posts sometimes that I actually didn't read the guy's post nor your response. Still, I screw up my posts sometimes....

Thanks Marie. I know that you are bisexual. From your discussions with other m2f transexuals, do you have any idea how many of them would or would not want to penetrate a biguy? I've read statements where some m2f transexuals do not want their male genetals even seen and I can not imagine them wanting to penetrate a biguy. LOL..ok Marie ..I see that we are both editors of our thoughts.

[csrakate]

Kate
I take so long editing my posts sometimes that I actually didn't read the guy's post nor your response. Still, I screw up my posts sometimes....

LOL tenni...don't we all! Sometimes the threads move faster than we do.

As for the OP...I grant him the right to have his fantasies and yes...things are always different in the porn world...but I have learned that many MtoF find it offensive to be referred to as the "best of both worlds"...might be important for him to learn in the event he wishes his fantasy to be reality.

[MarieDelta]

LOL tenni...don't we all! Sometimes the threads move faster than we do.

As for the OP...I grant him the right to have his fantasies and yes...things are always different in the porn world...but I have learned that many MtoF find it offensive to be referred to as the "best of both worlds"...might be important for him to learn in the event he wishes his fantasy to be reality.

Maybe because it doesnt take into account what it is like for us to exist.

It isnt the 'best of both worlds' when you cant get a job, because 'we dont want you in our office'.

It isnt the 'best of both worlds' when you have to pay out tons of money for electrolysis, hormones and therapy.

It isnt the 'best of both worlds' when people tell you that they would rather not be seen with you.

It is not the 'best of both worlds' whenyou hear that someone just like you was killed brutally for being just like you.

It may not be offensive, but it does tell me exactly how sensitive you are to my needs. and it always makes me roll my eyes at you...

[void()]

I'd PDF it to ya , but it also has *rainbow stickers*:tong:

Darn it I never get rainbow stickers. *sigh* Probably cause they make me wear the football helmet. Lemme tell ya ... having a mental illness is no fun.

"Oh you poor dear, are you alright? You're not going to have a psychotic episode killing everyone? Wait, are you talking to yourself? Oh you answered too. How quaint."

Personally, if asked out by a transformer I do believe I'd go out and have a great time. :) If something developed so be it, if not so be that too. Would I ask someone else out? Don't know, might just do it. Then again I usually keep two left feet so tend to err on seeming a bit shy, and I'm INTP. The daft introverted sort of nutter that often forgets days, weeks, months, years.

Folks are folks, really is that simple.

[bemyonlyone]

Are female bisexuals attracted to transexual m2f part way through their transition?

I am. For me, it depends entirely on the person, who they are, nothing else. It's not about what parts someone has for me. Maybe that's why some aspects of this conversation offend me so much.

Sometimes I think my sexuality would be more accurately described as pansexual, sometimes I don't want to label my sexuality at all.

[darkeyes]

So much for the learning experience. After 23 posts, someone hasn't learned a thing.

Quite a number I expect Mumsie.. all 2 many... an u kno wot? They dont give a bugga!!!:(

[darkeyes]

Ok...Ladies...Are you going to permit the man's question to be dealt with?

His question was, Tenni.. "can it be any better?" For some no.. for most almost certainly yes.. for me..definitely (Sorry Marie.. but ya kno me luffsya!!:tong:).. its the way we are.. we all like different things and pursue them in our own way...:)

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Shemale is definately an outdate terminology. These beautiful people deserve better than what the porn industry gives them, and should still be treated like the ladies that they are.

My best friend in Jr High was born with both sex organs, and suffered horribly because of her parents and Grandparents religious beliefs. She was made to feel less than she was because of being born this way, and altho she indetified as female, he father tried turning her into a little boy simply because she had a cock and Mono-Orchid balls. All of her personal parts were functional (Thats a long story for another time...lol) and she had to endure all kinds of what "I" considered to be torture to conceal her cock(Which was by no means small) Binding clothes and having to forego certain activities hurt her more than anyone could know. She was a sweet and lovely young lady and it always hurt me deeply that her own Mother treated her like she was some kind of freak by the way she treated her.

We were friends and eventually lovers up until middle high school when she was attacked at a pep rally one night and was found out. She wasnt hurt badly, but the head of the football team was when she tried putting his balls up inside with her knee..lmao
Her family was so humiliated that they packed up and moved as soon as the school contacted them wanting to know Why they hadnt been notified of their daughters "Condition" Stupid people....:(
Never heard from her again until I was married and had kids of my own. She was still beautiful and the same wonderful lady that she had been when I knew her. I only regret we didnt get to spend more time together in private..so did she..lol
She's now a fashion designed living in L.A. :}
Cat

[69luvr]

As a bisexual male, I always fantasize about sex with a male and a female.

Last week i saw a movie with a shemale in it, who was so hot, i almost lost it.
she had beautiful breasts, firm ass, and a thick sexy cock.

Now, as a bi male, how many would think that it would be hot to be able to have sex with someone that you can do anal sex too, but who can turn you over and do anal sex to you, and has firm breasts and a great ass!

Someone you can kiss, with beautiful lips and sexy stomach, and a hot cock between the legs, can it be any better?

I absolutely love the idea. I always try to meet shemales and sometimes I strike well. I enjoy it a lot.

[bemyonlyone]

I absolutely love the idea. I always try to meet shemales and sometimes I strike well. I enjoy it a lot.

*shakes head*

[MarieDelta]

We were friends and eventually lovers up until middle high school when she was attacked at a pep rally one night and was found out. She wasnt hurt badly, but the head of the football team was when she tried putting his balls up inside with her knee..lmao
Her family was so humiliated that they packed up and moved as soon as the school contacted them wanting to know Why they hadnt been notified of their daughters "Condition" Stupid people....:(
Cat

It always amazes me that these fools think they have a right to know what is in our britches.

If you arent going to bed with me, it isnt your business...

For what its worth fran, I figured that out about you a long time ago :tong: Its all good, no worries.

[MarieDelta]

I absolutely love the idea. I always try to meet shemales and sometimes I strike well. I enjoy it a lot.

I always avoid going to bed with fools, but that's just me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=BOjeZnjKlp0

[OmegaGray]

I, for one, am very glad of all these posts, because all though I do attempt to educate myself about everything around me, learning from others who are more experienced or knowledgeable is still the best way.

I very easily could have made a mistake or faux pas, and still may, relating to some LGBT issue, because the community is so diverse and complex. I'm sure after a life-time of learning and experiences people will still be susceptible to mistakes. (My apologies beforehand for any ignorance on my part).

I do think Transgendered and intersex men and women can be beautiful and I would love to know more about the people, both their struggles and their joys. I think human beings naturally struggle to comprehend ideas that surpass dualities (man and woman, good and evil, etc) and, therefore, it is a responsibility invoked by our intelligence to diversify our outlook and expand our horizons.

Thank you to Marie and the rest of the community for your patience. Please keep educating me and fighting that ignorance!

[darkeyes]

I absolutely love the idea. I always try to meet shemales and sometimes I strike well. I enjoy it a lot.

What you really mean is you get struck well.... and the rest of the time you strike out.. and you enjoy it? O well.. it takes all kinds..:rolleyes:

[MarieDelta]

I, for one, am very glad of all these posts, because all though I do attempt to educate myself about everything around me, learning from others who are more experienced or knowledgeable is still the best way.

I very easily could have made a mistake or faux pas, and still may, relating to some LGBT issue, because the community is so diverse and complex. I'm sure after a life-time of learning and experiences people will still be susceptible to mistakes. (My apologies beforehand for any ignorance on my part).

I do think Transgendered and intersex men and women can be beautiful and I would love to know more about the people, both their struggles and their joys. I think human beings naturally struggle to comprehend ideas that surpass dualities (man and woman, good and evil, etc) and, therefore, it is a responsibility invoked by our intelligence to diversify our outlook and expand our horizons.

Thank you to Marie and the rest of the community for your patience. Please keep educating me and fighting that ignorance!

OmegaGray, You are welcome.

As I said , I've made my share of mistakes. In my opinion, if you make a mistake honestly and make an effort to learn from it. Then I think most folks will be understanding.

[cliffordmontero]

Well, I personally know a couple transgendered people who do identify as "shemale" but they do so in an attempt to reclaim the term, much in the way some african americans are reclaiming the word "nigger".

In my experience working at a community center that attracts all members of the lgbtq community I find the best words to use when refering to someone are their own. When I meet someone I learn their name, and I use that . . . alot . . . and a while i will come out and ask what pronouns they prefer. Sometimes a person is transgendered and may not have learned to start presenting their true gender yet . . . or maybe they are too early in their transition to feel comfortable presenting it . . . you dont know until they tell you, and never assume.

That really femme guy may be just that, a femme guy. That other other person who also looks like a femme guy might be a ftm, you dont know until you talk to them and possibly ask.

[MarieDelta]

http://sactgc.org/trans_fat/TransFat09_06.jpg

:cool:

[transcendMental]

Hi everyone.

I also appreciate people on this thread sticking up for transpeople, but I have a different perspective to offer regarding the word "shemale".

I have read that the word "shemale" technically refers to a person who is male-identified (their internal sense of self is male), but wants to look and pass as female enough that they undergo electrolysis to remove facial hair and take hormonal or (more commonly) surgical steps to add breast tissue. The reasons I've heard for doing this usually deal with sex, and that "best of both worlds" (their words, not mine) notion.

I know people like this exist, because I have chatted with some online, both here and on another site. They could be confused transsexuals, but they do not identify that way at all. So it would be unfair to assume they are transsexuals any more than it is fair to assume a given crossdresser is a transsexual.

If "shemale" is the word that people want to attach to that concept, I'm ok with that; there's nothing inherently offensive about the word, especially if it's used for that meaning.

But I do not appreciate anyone using the word "shemale" to refer to M2F transsexuals. For one thing, it implies that we are males, when in fact we consider ourselves female (and our brains are female). It also fuels the mistaken notion that we are associated with pornography or that we do what we do for primarily sexual purposes.

The fantasy some people on here express about a beautiful woman with big breasts and a functional penis is not a fantasy about a pre-op transwoman. Extended use of female hormones, especially for long enough to produce mature breasts, significantly decreases both your sex-drive and your sexual performance (erections, not orgasm) to the point where penetrative sex is pretty much out of the question. This is why shemales tend to opt for breast enhancement surgery, rather than hormones. That option doesn't interfere with sexual performance.

So given what was described in the beginning of this thread, I think the title "Shemales" is probably appropriate. But I don't think the thread is talking about transsexuals at all.

tm

[open2both]

NOTHING better!!!

[Samantha Sabrina]

Hey everyone,

As a Real Life M2F TG I would like to add something to this subject.

After starting to write this I realized it is pretty long and might even drift off topic some, but the drifting helps to understand my take on the subject.

I do not claim to be an expert, or be a “Know it all”, this is all based on my real life experiences, and the research I have done in order to understand myself and what I am going thru, and how I think.

NONE of this is intended to suggest anyone else is wrong or does not know what they are talking about.

I honestly have not read all the responses so I am not commenting on any certain reply, just the subject in general.

Whatever anyone chooses to call me it is just a term or label, I take no offense to any of it.

Most of the terms or labels used for someone like me are simply misused as most people don't fully understand what each one actually means, (most don't really care, lol).

For me the biggest misused term is CD, (Crossdresser), which I am not, a CD is one who lives as their born gender and simply enjoys or gets excitement from dressing as the other gender from time to time, (usually in private, in the closet), but there are those that do go out in public.

What very few people understand is we are all born with BOTH Genders inside us, it all comes down to which gender is the most dominate, this internal (conflict for the lack of a better word), is responsible for several different things in our lives, everything from how we talk, walk, look, act, carry ourselves, everything, and yes even if we are attracted to the same gender or the opposite gender or BOTH, (something to think about huh), now some choose to do their best to conform to what society expects us to be, (it can be rather hard sometimes), consider the really macho kind of guy with a high pitched voice, rosy red cheeks, baby face, ect, (BTW, this was a DI I had in boot camp, he was as macho as they come and straight as an arrow), he has a lot of the male gender in him, but the female gender is prominent, thus the baby face, higher pitched voice, and rosy red cheeks.

Most guys are 90 % male, and 10% female, thus they are MEN, they have few if any female traits that are visible, and few if any conflicting thoughts or feelings, now this percentages can vary anywhere from there on, I have several very close and dear friends that feel they were born the wrong gender, and suffer greatly from GID, (Gender Identity Disorder), and these are the people that would actually go thru with SRS, (I know some that have, some that are working on it, and others that want it so badly yet can’t, and it is destroying their lives), this all holds true for the girls as well.

Personally I fall smack dab in the middle of the spectrum, I am 50/50, I have known all my life that I had a “Fem” side, I have always been Bi, I have never had a problem being with either sex, BUT, I lived the first 50 years of my “Public” life to suit everyone else and I pretended to be what I was “Expected” to be a “Man”, yet in private I “played” at being what I felt more comfortable being which is a “Female”, for the most part I blocked out the “Fem” side, but 3 years ago I finally decided it was time to let her out and give her a chance.

Now this is where things get interesting….

I am very happily married to my wife of 18 years now, she is still my Best Friend, and I Love her Dearly, ( she has not only accepted my fem side but she has helped, supported, and embraced it), (not the Bi part though, oh well can’t have everything), but here is what we have both learned from me changing from living life as a male to living as a female, (yes 24/7 now), the first difference is the biggest, my demeanor, as a guy I was always so high strung, tense, aggressive and just a prick in general, now as Samantha, I am much more sensitive, understanding, calmer, Happier, easy going, ect., life is just so much better for me this way, I should have done it many years ago.

This is why I refer to myself as a TG versus any of the other terms people use, (again none of the terms or labels offend me), I have also learned I actually have not just 2 different and separate Genders inside me, but I have 2 separate and independent Personalities as well, 1 is male and the other IS Female, and they are as different as night and day, he is Dominate, Aggressive, sloppy, angry, tense, high strung, and all that where she is Submissive, Very Neat, considerate, laid back, relaxed, and everything else he is not.

I take my role as a Female just as seriously as I took my role as a Male, (hey I pulled off being a Man for 50 years and got away with it, giggles), and this holds true with every aspect of my life including sex, when I am with a “Man”, I expect to be the “Female”, (granted I can only go so far as I am a pre op, and have NO plans to have the SRS), but the point is as Samantha I have no desire to top another guy, for the most part I prefer the male parts don’t even exist, but then I do have to admit that some fondling does add a degree of excitement to the mix, but I am taking Herbs, (hormones are too dangerous), to grow my breasts, and just like the hormones the side effects are the same, it is more difficult to get an erection, (not impossible but it is harder).

In public when not with a Man I do act like a “Lady”, I look, walk, carry myself, and even sound like a female, now when I am with a Man, I act the way he wants, (to a degree in public), but behind closed doors I go be anything from the perfect “Lady” to the dirtiest “Slut”, I can be pretty versatile, lol.

Making the transition from male to female requires tons of work and effort, I have always looked very young for my age, (at 35 I could not get in a bar without showing ID), but I do suffer from all the male hair, so taking a bath is a 2+ hour event, by the time I shave everything from my eyes down, wash my hair, (long natural blonde), brush my teeth, put on body lotions, and all that, (guys if you ever wonder why women take so long to get a bath and get ready, just try it once, lol), now if I am going out I have to add another ½ to 1 hour for makeup, fixing my hair, getting dressed, ect., (it mostly depends on where I am going…shopping versus going out on a date or to party), nothing personal her girls (GGs), but if I am leaving the house I refuse to dress in ANYTHING sloppy, unlike my guy side that has no problem going out shopping while he looks like a homeless bum, as Samantha I wear clothes that are nice, neat such as nice chick jeans, pant suit, skirt & top or dress, although I have to admit a pair of cut off jeans (would make Daisy Duke blush), and a nice top are ok once in awhile.

I do wear acrylic nails, paint my toe nails, and all the other things girls do, and I LOVE it, the down side to all of this is in my marriage I am still the one that has to do the “Guy” type stuff, ( I took on the responsibility when I said I DO, and I will honor that commitment), when I have to let the “Guy” side out to do things he is responsible for he has NO concept of all the time, work, and effort I put into being Samantha, he breaks my nails, scratches my hands, arms, and legs, GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR…..and have you ever tried to get grease from under long acrylic nails?

He is really good at doing a lot of things 9not much he can’t do), I just look better doing them, smiles.

Again I have 2 different and independent personalities, (at least I do have enough control over them that he does not try to come out when I am in a skirt, and vice versa), but if I have to change to guy mode then his personality does indeed come out and take over.

Guys, if you think GGs are complicated come spend some time with me, giggles.

OK I think I have rattled enough about this for now, and I am sorry it is so long, but I felt like my experience might help someone get a better understanding of what someone like myself feels and why.

If anyone is interested in hearing or learning more about this (from my perspective anyway), I will be glad to answer questions.

Thanks for taking the time to read.

Huggggggggggs

Samantha

[**Peg**]

Samantha you are one classy individual IMO.

[bicuriousman2]

I apologize to all, i posted the topic, and then got a contract for a doctors office that has been running me ragged, redoing their whole offices networks and building them all new pc's.

I DID NOT CHECK BACK UNTIL TONIGHT! and i am not yelling in caps, i am just letting you know that sincerely i did not mean to aggravate anyone, by the topic I posted, nor did i realize i was rude by using the wrong term, until tonight, when i finally read responses.

I just was not educated enough about it to use the proper terms, and ignorance is not bliss! I just did not know any better, but i sure would have liked a bit more of a gentle response, than being treated as though I am filth!

My humble apologies to all, and i will make sure i tread more carefully next time i post something.

Thank you

[MarieDelta]

I apologize to all, i posted the topic, and then got a contract for a doctors office that has been running me ragged, redoing their whole offices networks and building them all new pc's.

I DID NOT CHECK BACK UNTIL TONIGHT! and i am not yelling in caps, i am just letting you know that sincerely i did not mean to aggravate anyone, by the topic I posted, nor did i realize i was rude by using the wrong term, until tonight, when i finally read responses.

I just was not educated enough about it to use the proper terms, and ignorance is not bliss! I just did not know any better, but i sure would have liked a bit more of a gentle response, than being treated as though I am filth!

My humble apologies to all, and i will make sure i tread more carefully next time i post something.

Thank you

Its ok honey, just try to be a bit more careful next time...

[bemyonlyone]

I apologize to all, i posted the topic, and then got a contract for a doctors office that has been running me ragged, redoing their whole offices networks and building them all new pc's.

I DID NOT CHECK BACK UNTIL TONIGHT! and i am not yelling in caps, i am just letting you know that sincerely i did not mean to aggravate anyone, by the topic I posted, nor did i realize i was rude by using the wrong term, until tonight, when i finally read responses.

I just was not educated enough about it to use the proper terms, and ignorance is not bliss! I just did not know any better, but i sure would have liked a bit more of a gentle response, than being treated as though I am filth!

My humble apologies to all, and i will make sure i tread more carefully next time i post something.

Thank you

I don't know. Does the word "shemale" sound like something you call a person? I feel like people should just instinctively know that's wrong.

Regardless...you made a mistake. You apologized, we can move on.

[Long Duck Dong]

I don't know. Does the word "shemale" sound like something you call a person? I feel like people should just instinctively know that's wrong.

Regardless...you made a mistake. You apologized, we can move on.

actually a couple of my friends refer to themselves as shemales, its their personal choice, and how they id themselves and how they want to be seen
just cos a few people have issues with the term, doesn't make it wrong to use....

there are gay people that call themselves queer, and others that take offense to gays being called queer......
it would help if you learnt a lil more about what is right and wrong, before you tell others they should know better

[ohbimale]

First let me say I am not trying to offend anyone. As a bi man I admit to having thought it would be ideal to partner up with a transgendered m2f pre-op for the reasons given by the OP. However I did do some research - mainly reading - and found out that usually the m2f transgendered person identifies as a woman and has been on female hormones causing her to have the same emotional responses as other women. Plus the m2f transgendered person usually does not think of their cock as an asset, but an abnormality since they should have been born a woman with breasts and a vagina. I do not claim to be an expert, but knowing what I know today I still think it would be nice to befriend a m2f transgendered person if the opportunity ever presents itself because I would like to get to know her for who she is without any notion of what will or will not happen...just make a new friend.

[IanBorthwick]

Have to point out, I was shocked when I saw the title of this thread and avoided coming in her. As I have my own issues and do not wish to come private about myself all I can say is Marie and all of our transgendered friends are VERY patient and I want to show my support for your patience with people like the OP, as well as to tell you I appreciate your presence here in our little slice of life.

:)

[Delilah]

I'm a pre op transwoman who is fully functional. However, I refuse to have a complete transition. I'm going to keep the 'secret candy' because I already feel complete. I do live as a woman 24/7 and blend in very well without detection. However, when I finally find Mr.Right, I want him to be respectful and keep the secret to ourselves. I do not want his family or friends to know, much less anyone where I work and my social life.

However, as a transwoman with a fully functional 'candy'... I do not top guys. I love oral, giving AND receiving... but I am totally bottom when it comes to the act of intercourse.

By the way, I hate the word Shemale.

[Delilah]

We all have to learn sometimes :)




I apologize to all, i posted the topic, and then got a contract for a doctors office that has been running me ragged, redoing their whole offices networks and building them all new pc's.

I DID NOT CHECK BACK UNTIL TONIGHT! and i am not yelling in caps, i am just letting you know that sincerely i did not mean to aggravate anyone, by the topic I posted, nor did i realize i was rude by using the wrong term, until tonight, when i finally read responses.

I just was not educated enough about it to use the proper terms, and ignorance is not bliss! I just did not know any better, but i sure would have liked a bit more of a gentle response, than being treated as though I am filth!

My humble apologies to all, and i will make sure i tread more carefully next time i post something.

Thank you

[elian]

I've always said that being bi is about loving someone for more than simply what is between the legs..

[darkeyes]

Last night when we were in the pub a friend of Kate's from work came over to say hello. With her she had the most beautiful woman. We were introduced and chatted for a while before setting off to a club. This beautiful woman laughed and chatted just as any of us, was as raunchy as any of us and as funny, serious and as normal a human being as you could wish to meet. It transpired that she was a pre op transgendered woman which left us gobsmacked. How anyone could wish harm on such as this beautiful, kindly and funny creature, I just cannot undertsand, but I do know that there are no doubt many, both male and female who would wish to spend much time in her company. Yes.. Fran was indeed smitten...:)

[MarieDelta]

. How anyone could wish harm on such as this beautiful, kindly and funny creature, I just cannot undertsand,

Me either. But they exist, unfortunately.

Beautiful , ugly, inteligent, stupid, accepting and bigotted - trans-women are just like any other woman. We come in all types, none of us perfect. Hopefully, we are trying though.

[darkeyes]

Me either. But they exist, unfortunately.

Beautiful , ugly, inteligent, stupid, accepting and bigotted - trans-women are just like any other woman. We come in all types, none of us perfect. Hopefully, we are trying though.

Yas jus bout perfect 2 me Trollop... ;)

butyas rite...every type a person has those who r gud bad an indifferent wivvin ther ranks... but that dusn giv ne 1 the rite 2 inflict harm..or worse on them... :)

[vengful-tenkatsu]

I'm a pre op transwoman who is fully functional. However, I refuse to have a complete transition. I'm going to keep the 'secret candy' because I already feel complete. I do live as a woman 24/7 and blend in very well without detection. However, when I finally find Mr.Right, I want him to be respectful and keep the secret to ourselves. I do not want his family or friends to know, much less anyone where I work and my social life.

However, as a transwoman with a fully functional 'candy'... I do not top guys. I love oral, giving AND receiving... but I am totally bottom when it comes to the act of intercourse.

By the way, I hate the word Shemale.

good for you you sound like a strong one like the rest of my friends here you have a stron heart and from what i see with the intersex that used to go to my school the torment they went through the hell the people put them trough ust makes one want to puke

[SexyTanBiBoy]

Yes you have captured one of my favorite fantasies... Unfortunately it seems that most are on film :(

[Mmonty]

I never knew Shemale was an offensive term.....thanks for the info.

[bimichman]

That would be so HOTT, best of both worlds.

[darkeyes]

That would be so HOTT, best of both worlds.

Nev undastand wy peeps say that.. cos it isn is it? Its summat diff an stands on its own.. besta both worlds is summat diff again...:)

[MarieDelta]

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=OSn01MLcUXA

[olly_21]

Yeh definatly she males turn me on bigtym. Always thought they were tbh, disgusting, but as i accepted in myself that i am bi, i started to think wow they have nearly everything, and now i fantazize over them for sure

[tenni]

Marie
I'd like to bring up TranscendMental's comment about "shemales" and hear your opinion. I agreed that basically that a transwoman would not want the penis used as in porn but TranscendMental points out that there are people who identify as male gender but want to look and pass as female. I had a friend who surprised me one day by stating that he wanted breasts. He didn't want his penis removed though and he didn't want a vagina. He definitely appeared very masculine and acted very masculine although he said that he felt like a woman inside. He didn't actually want to be a woman though and be female gender. I thought that he was bi but when he made such statements it seemed very strange.

Do you believe that some people may want to have breasts but identify as male gender? If so, would this term "shemale" not apply as TranscendMental writes?



Hi everyone.

I also appreciate people on this thread sticking up for transpeople, but I have a different perspective to offer regarding the word "shemale".

I have read that the word "shemale" technically refers to a person who is male-identified (their internal sense of self is male), but wants to look and pass as female enough that they undergo electrolysis to remove facial hair and take hormonal or (more commonly) surgical steps to add breast tissue. The reasons I've heard for doing this usually deal with sex, and that "best of both worlds" (their words, not mine) notion.

I know people like this exist, because I have chatted with some online, both here and on another site. They could be confused transsexuals, but they do not identify that way at all. So it would be unfair to assume they are transsexuals any more than it is fair to assume a given crossdresser is a transsexual.

If "shemale" is the word that people want to attach to that concept, I'm ok with that; there's nothing inherently offensive about the word, especially if it's used for that meaning.

But I do not appreciate anyone using the word "shemale" to refer to M2F transsexuals. For one thing, it implies that we are males, when in fact we consider ourselves female (and our brains are female). It also fuels the mistaken notion that we are associated with pornography or that we do what we do for primarily sexual purposes.

The fantasy some people on here express about a beautiful woman with big breasts and a functional penis is not a fantasy about a pre-op transwoman. Extended use of female hormones, especially for long enough to produce mature breasts, significantly decreases both your sex-drive and your sexual performance (erections, not orgasm) to the point where penetrative sex is pretty much out of the question. This is why shemales tend to opt for breast enhancement surgery, rather than hormones. That option doesn't interfere with sexual performance.

So given what was described in the beginning of this thread, I think the title "Shemales" is probably appropriate. But I don't think the thread is talking about transsexuals at all.

tm

[MarieDelta]

I've met one, in my time in the trans community. He ID'd as a gay man who wanted to have sex with straight men. He was extremely paranoid, as you might expect.

Yes, there are a few out there who do ID as "Shemales", but they are the minority ( as I said before.)

Mostly the "shemales" you see in porn are transsexuals who are sex workers. Viagra makes them able to get hard. There are a few that are not, but they are pretty rare.

Shemale is mostly a construct of the porn industry & not a label we choose for ourselves.

The vast majority of us would rather be women, given the option.

[69luvr]

As a bisexual male, I always fantasize about sex with a male and a female.

Last week i saw a movie with a shemale in it, who was so hot, i almost lost it.
she had beautiful breasts, firm ass, and a thick sexy cock.

Now, as a bi male, how many would think that it would be hot to be able to have sex with someone that you can do anal sex too, but who can turn you over and do anal sex to you, and has firm breasts and a great ass!

Someone you can kiss, with beautiful lips and sexy stomach, and a hot cock between the legs, can it be any better?

I would love it! It can not be any better then what you have described.

[bemyonlyone]

I've met one, in my time in the trans community. He ID'd as a gay man who wanted to have sex with straight men. He was extremely paranoid, as you might expect.

Yes, there are a few out there who do ID as "Shemales", but they are the minority ( as I said before.)

Mostly the "shemales" you see in porn are transsexuals who are sex workers. Viagra makes them able to get hard. There are a few that are not, but they are pretty rare.

Shemale is mostly a construct of the porn industry & not a label we choose for ourselves.

The vast majority of us would rather be women, given the option.

I really hope you're not offended by my asking this, but...I notice on your profile you list "transgendered" as your gender.

Do you personally prefer to identify as female or as transgendered? I was wondering.

I really hope I'm not being rude and don't mean to offend at all.

[MarieDelta]

I really hope you're not offended by my asking this, but...I notice on your profile you list "transgendered" as your gender.

Do you personally prefer to identify as female or as transgendered? I was wondering.

I really hope I'm not being rude and don't mean to offend at all.

I would prefer to be female.

However -

Its my policy to be as honest with folks about this as much as possible.

I do realize that I could have signed in here as "female" and no one probably have ever been the wiser.

Also, coincindentally, these gives me a unique oportunity to speak out for my sisters and brothers.

So I identify (on this forrum at least), as I am, not as I would wish to be.Also this being a dating site, it only makes sense from a safety standpoint, to be honest with folks.

I do generally lead in with this knowledge on most of my profiles on the web. Because one of the main things that I've seen is that when trans folk are killed they say that we decieved them. I dont wish to be a statistic.

Hope that answered your question?

[bemyonlyone]

I would prefer to be female.

However -

Its my policy to be as honest with folks about this as much as possible.

I do realize that I could have signed in here as "female" and no one probably have ever been the wiser.

Also, coincindentally, these gives me a unique oportunity to speak out for my sisters and brothers.

So I identify(i this forrum at least), as I am, not as I would wish to be.Also this being a dating site, it only makes sense from a safety standpoint, to be honest with folks.

I do generally lead in with this knowledge on most of my profiles on the web. Because one of the main things that I've seen is that when trans folk are killed they say that we decieved them. I dont wish to be a statistic.

Hope that answered your question?

Yes, I understand now. Thank you. :)

[69luvr]

I'm a pre op transwoman who is fully functional. However, I refuse to have a complete transition. I'm going to keep the 'secret candy' because I already feel complete. I do live as a woman 24/7 and blend in very well without detection. However, when I finally find Mr.Right, I want him to be respectful and keep the secret to ourselves. I do not want his family or friends to know, much less anyone where I work and my social life.

However, as a transwoman with a fully functional 'candy'... I do not top guys. I love oral, giving AND receiving... but I am totally bottom when it comes to the act of intercourse.

By the way, I hate the word Shemale.

I enjoy the way that you write. You are to the point and honest! i respect that! I have never heard the term that you used: functional candy" but I do understand it and agree with the way that you feel!

[jamiehue]

going out tonite with the girls"" always fun!

[69luvr]

As a bisexual male, I always fantasize about sex with a male and a female.

Last week i saw a movie with a shemale in it, who was so hot, i almost lost it.
she had beautiful breasts, firm ass, and a thick sexy cock.

Now, as a bi male, how many would think that it would be hot to be able to have sex with someone that you can do anal sex too, but who can turn you over and do anal sex to you, and has firm breasts and a great ass!

Someone you can kiss, with beautiful lips and sexy stomach, and a hot cock between the legs, can it be any better?

NO. It can not get any better then that! I love being with a special person like you described. I love sex that way too.

[Humdidity]

This really was a fascinating thread to read. Some of the posts were so well written and thought provoking. The posts by Samantha Sabrina, TranscendMental and several other posters were just so great to read! I'm so glad these people are part of our community.

I only have two things to add to the thread...

I have never heard the word "shemale" used in an intentionally pejorative way. I'm sure it has been, but not normally. It was not meant to be insulting when it was originally used here. I understand that it has taken on some negative connotations and I certainly understand why one would not want to be referred to that way.


Second and most importantly, I have absolutely the greatest respect for transgendered people, or anyone dealing with gender issues, as they face such difficult and sometimes frightening puzzles with admirable courage and incredible fortitude. I know how confusing and scary it can be when your sexual orientation is not what others expect, want or demand of you, and I know that those who have gender issue, too, must have an even rougher time.

This is a great thread. Read through it all if you have time!

[Robinium]

As this thread has been dug out anyway now, I'd like to ruin some people's fantasies with a couple of facts now. I know I'm evil. :bigrin:

Pre-op or non-op MTFs (male-to-female transsexuals) will probably not offer you the great "woman with hard cock" experience.

First, the hormone therapy makes many of them impotent, so you have no hard cock to play with.

Second, many of them really don't like having a cock to say the least, and it is very bothersome for them to get this part of their body admired or fondled.

So you gotta have the chance to find the exception who is okay with her dangling bits and who can still get a hard-on in spite of the hormone replacement therapy. Good luck.

I'm no tranny chaser but happened to date a very lovely pre-op MTF for half a year. We had a great time together, but our sex life was ... almost non-existing as she was extremely uncomfortable with her private parts. We had sex only once, and this only worked after a lot of figuring out how to get her around the problems she had. She put anaesthetic cream on her dangling parts before so that she couldn't feel anything there, and I only went down on her breasts. After that, she told me it was the best sex she ever had as she did not feel the nuisance plus was treated like a woman. Poor girl.

[MarieDelta]

As this thread has been dug out anyway now, I'd like to ruin some people's fantasies with a couple of facts now. I know I'm evil. :bigrin:

Pre-op or non-op MTFs (male-to-female transsexuals) will probably not offer you the great "woman with hard cock" experience.

First, the hormone therapy makes many of them impotent, so you have no hard cock to play with.

Second, many of them really don't like having a cock to say the least, and it is very bothersome for them to get this part of their body admired or fondled.

So you gotta have the chance to find the exception who is okay with her dangling bits and who can still get a hard-on in spite of the hormone replacement therapy. Good luck.

I'm no tranny chaser but happened to date a very lovely pre-op MTF for half a year. We had a great time together, but our sex life was ... almost non-existing as she was extremely uncomfortable with her private parts. We had sex only once, and this only worked after a lot of figuring out how to get her around the problems she had. She put anaesthetic cream on her dangling parts before so that she couldn't feel anything there, and I only went down on her breasts. After that, she told me it was the best sex she ever had as she did not feel the nuisance plus was treated like a woman. Poor girl.

Sometimes there are "mental work arounds" for the whole thing. But yeah.

Also HRT can sometimes kill your entire sex drive, especially when all the testosterone in your body has been blocked out to a point lower than a cisgender woman.

[Humdidity]

If you think the last two posts were relevant to the subject being discussed, then you didn't read the thread.

[MarieDelta]

If you think the last two posts were relevant to the subject being discussed, then you didn't read the thread.

Whats irrelevant about discussing transsexual sex drive in a thread about transexualism and men who want to be topped?

[transcendMental]

As this thread has been dug out anyway now, I'd like to ruin some people's fantasies with a couple of facts now. I know I'm evil. :bigrin:

Pre-op or non-op MTFs (male-to-female transsexuals) will probably not offer you the great "woman with hard cock" experience.

First, the hormone therapy makes many of them impotent, so you have no hard cock to play with.

Second, many of them really don't like having a cock to say the least, and it is very bothersome for them to get this part of their body admired or fondled.

So you gotta have the chance to find the exception who is okay with her dangling bits and who can still get a hard-on in spite of the hormone replacement therapy. Good luck.

I'm no tranny chaser but happened to date a very lovely pre-op MTF for half a year. We had a great time together, but our sex life was ... almost non-existing as she was extremely uncomfortable with her private parts. We had sex only once, and this only worked after a lot of figuring out how to get her around the problems she had. She put anaesthetic cream on her dangling parts before so that she couldn't feel anything there, and I only went down on her breasts. After that, she told me it was the best sex she ever had as she did not feel the nuisance plus was treated like a woman. Poor girl.

Thank you, Robinium, for exploding these myths. I tried to do it earlier in the thread, and in other threads, but people don't seem to hear it when a transperson says it. Maybe your words will get through.

Humdidity, I'm glad you enjoy this thread, but I don't get how exploding the myth that pre-op transsexuals can satisfy the common fantasy of having a woman with a functional penis is irrelevant to this thread. It directly addresses what the original post was all about, as well as several posts since then.

As Marie says, there are workarounds. I was never so uncomfortable with male genitals that I couldn't have satisfying sex, and I would never have used anaesthetic. But the mental gymnastics involved in making sense of sexual activity tended to make sex a more mentally and emotionally complicated activity than it should be.

To add to Robinium's (and my) words about the effects of hormones on sexual performance, I'll say that after 3 years on hormones, when I could achieve an erection, the erection was pretty painful, and intercourse needed to be a very careful activity. Although estrogen helps a transsexual's brain to function how it was designed to function, it is not kind to erectile tissue.

[Robinium]

If you think the last two posts were relevant to the subject being discussed, then you didn't read the thread.

If you think these posts were irrelevant to the topic, you did not get the topic. Sorry if the postings turned you off. Haha.

[Robinium]

Sometimes there are "mental work arounds" for the whole thing. But yeah.

Sure, the "mental work arounds" work for some people, but for others, they don't work.

[MarieDelta]

Sure, the "mental work arounds" work for some people, but for others, they don't work.

Totally agree. They dont even work all the time , if they do work, for some of us.

[gimmiemore]

My "Two-Cents" here is that as a nation of "Home of the Free, Land of the Brave" the current Political Correctness aura in the USA has removed most peoples spines.

Geez, it's just a term, phrase or word folks. Get over it!!

[Robinium]

Thank you, Robinium, for exploding these myths. I tried to do it earlier in the thread, and in other threads, but people don't seem to hear it when a transperson says it. Maybe your words will get through.

Thanks transcendMental. It is important that you don't just shut up on that topic.

Humdidity, I'm glad you enjoy this thread, but I really don't get how exploding the myth that "pre-op transsexuals topping you can satisfy the common fantasy of having a woman with a functional penis" could be irrelevant to this thread. It directly addresses what the original post was all about, as well as several posts since then. Sorry for disappointing you. No, not really sorry... You need to get information about your (maybe?) preferred potential partners before hitting on them. Unless you want it all to keep a private fantasy and never meet such a person even on the internet.

As MarieDelta says, there are workarounds, but it makes sex more complicated and stressful and does not work for everybody. I get along with that pretty well although it's a weird mind-fuck, but that's just me. But I also enjoy watching David Lynch movies and listen to Fad Gadget and loved watching Sixth Sense, Pulp Fiction etc., so mind-fucks of all kinds are just cool and normal for me and I rarely "crash" during sex for trans reasons as long as you don't knead my tits (biggest imaginable turn-off) ...

As I'm FTM (female body turning male) and not MTF (the opposite) maybe people will believe me more as it's still an outsider perspective from me telling this. Even if they don't want to know :rolleyes:. Plus, I'm just too much of a sadist to let people live with their irrealistic phantasies and so I rather explode the myths. :bigrin:

Honestly, some people can get around the trans trouble with imagination, but many don't manage to do it or at least it does not work reliably. And if it does not work at all - no chance of ever touching (or sometimes even seeing) their genitals no matter how long you've dated that person. I still don't know how my ex looked like under her pants (but don't miss not knowing it as she was uncomfortable with it herself).

[MarieDelta]

My "Two-Cents" here is that as a nation of "Home of the Free, Land of the Brave" the current Political Correctness aura in the USA has removed most peoples spines.

Geez, it's just a term, phrase or word folks. Get over it!!

No one is stopping you from using the term, although you should be aware that if it is persistant you will be treated as being uncouth, and generally insenstive. It's not political correctness, it's called manners.

[Robinium]

No one is stopping you from using the term, although you should be aware that if it is persistant you will be treated as being uncouth, and generally insenstive. It's not political correctness, it's called manners.

Right. Most Male-to-Female transsexuals will be offended by the expression, so using "she-male" won't help you getting a date. No matter how cool you are about it.

And well, most people don't transition just to become your favorite fetish. There's a lot of gender stuff behind it. So learn about it if you are into them. Even if you don't care and are only into one-night-stands with them.

[AsianDream]

My "Two-Cents" here is that as a nation of "Home of the Free, Land of the Brave" the current Political Correctness aura in the USA has removed most peoples spines.

Geez, it's just a term, phrase or word folks. Get over it!!
No one is stopping you from using the term, although you should be aware that if it is persistant you will be treated as being uncouth, and generally insenstive. It's not political correctness, it's called manners.
MarieDelta - I'd have to agree that good manners are important

Id also have to say that the "Home of the Free, Land of the Brave" is a somewhat idealised view of North American history.

This is without getting into a debate about whether stealing other people's country and mostly exterminating them is a nice thing to do or not.

[transcendMental]

MarieDelta - I'd have to agree that good manners are important

Id also have to say that the "Home of the Free, Land of the Brave" is a somewhat idealised view of North American history.

This is without getting into a debate about whether stealing other people's country and mostly exterminating them is a nice thing to do or not.

I'm glad you don't want to get into that debate, seeing as you're from Asia where such behavior was once commonplace.

[chook]

Cat used the term "Mono Orchid Balls".......I know the feeling darl.....had them a few times meself after a few dates that went wrong :tongue:


Cheers Chook :bigrin:

[NjbiGuy01]

I always had erotic dreams about passable TS's or CD's "surprising me" on a date, or finding the elusive hermaphrodite with both a pussy and a cock. Frankly, it's hot as heck, but I think it's nearly impossible to make happen in the real world though. There are some attractive TS or CD massage therapists on the web. Usually the pics are cleverly well taken or airbrushed like crazy, and if you talk with them on the phone...the voice turns me off (as does the 200 plus per hour rates !!! )

[tenni]

I was just reading on another site specifically for bisexual men on this topic. There is no denying that some bisexual men do have a sexual fantasy to be with a "she-male" with a functioning erect penis.

All the complaining and concern by transexuals about it being offensive to transexuals,etc. does not diminish that some bisexual men do have a sexual fantasy for this option.

Both are realities. One is not better than the other. One seems to be more "polite" on this site. Whether a "she male" may get an erection is no more a thought that will diminish the frequency of this desire in some bisexual men.

They see it as an ideal for their attraction to both male and female. It seems that on a bisexual site that this should be acknowledged and accepted as a reality or a desire. However, it is also interesting that this may just be a "fantasy" and reality makes it unlikely. Since some biguys admitted to the attraction of a "she-male" as opposed to a transexual, it is interesting that none have posted their experience with a "she-male" who had an erect penis? Now, I have heard of men claim that they have been with a "she-male" with an erection. Either these guys were lying or there is some reason why no man has reported on this site being with a "she-male" with an erection? Curious.

[MarieDelta]

I was just reading on another site specifically for bisexual men on this topic. There is no denying that some bisexual men do have a sexual fantasy to be with a "she-male".

All the complaining and concern by transexuals about it being offensive to transexuals,etc. does not diminish that some bisexual men do have a sexual fantasy for this option.

Both are realities. One is not better than the other. One seems to be more "polite" on this site. Whether a "she male" may get an erection is no more a thought that will diminish the frequency of this desire in some bisexual men.

They see it as an ideal for their attraction to both male and female. It seems that on a bisexual site that this should be acknowledged and accepted as a reality.

As I have been trying to state, and maybe this has not pennetrated to where you live. The TERM "she male" is considered offensive. I'm not sure why you are not getting this? If a transwoman is non-op, they are still transwomen, the fact that they will not go through with vaginoplasty doesnt make them any less woman.

She-male is a construction of the pornography industry. It is not a term we, for the most, part identify with. Even my friend who identified as gay male, agreed that it was offensive. (The one who transformed herself into a damn sexy woman, that one.)

I dont have a problem with any of that. However, just like any other person I wish to be treated as a person.

I'm not a blow up doll. I'm not disposable. I'm not some idealized version of a person.

What you see in porn is fantasy. There isnt anything wrong with that, but we live in reality. That fact should be acknowledged, as well.

Its not offensive to be desired, but to be fetishized is kind of creepy in my experience.

I do not have problem with people who are attracted to transexuals wanting to date me. However first and foremost treat me as you would treat any other woman.

The terms "shemale", "he-she" &"tranny" should be stricken from your playbook as well. Use of those terms more than once, will get you eliminated from my dating pool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0XAI-PFQcA

[TaylorMade]

It's like the slang word "uppity". It has a nasty awful history (especially in relationship to black people in America) and most people don't even use the word because of it's implications. . .If Marie, Duckies Darling, or someone I'm friendly with calls me uppity in a humorous or ironic way, then . . . no harm, no foul.

But if a total stranger uses it? We will have problems.

IOW, don't use it unless you're in a certain context. She-male can refer to a type of porn. Never to a person.

*Taylor*

[transcendMental]

I was just reading on another site specifically for bisexual men on this topic. There is no denying that some bisexual men do have a sexual fantasy to be with a "she-male" with a functioning erect penis.

All the complaining and concern by transexuals about it being offensive to transexuals,etc. does not diminish that some bisexual men do have a sexual fantasy for this option.

Both are realities. One is not better than the other. One seems to be more "polite" on this site. Whether a "she male" may get an erection is no more a thought that will diminish the frequency of this desire in some bisexual men.

They see it as an ideal for their attraction to both male and female. It seems that on a bisexual site that this should be acknowledged and accepted as a reality or a desire. However, it is also interesting that this may just be a "fantasy" and reality makes it unlikely. Since some biguys admitted to the attraction of a "she-male" as opposed to a transexual, it is interesting that none have posted their experience with a "she-male" who had an erect penis? Now, I have heard of men claim that they have been with a "she-male" with an erection. Either these guys were lying or there is some reason why no man has reported on this site being with a "she-male" with an erection? Curious.

Yes, there is no question that some men have this fantasy. I am not offended by anyone's fantasy. Dream about it all you want. Crave it desperately, if that's your thing. But do NOT think that dating a transsexual will get you any closer to fulfilling that fantasy.

Our only claim about erections is that estrogen decreases and eventually kills your performance, and that most MtF transsexuals don't want people engaged with any erection they might have. My experience is that after a while, although you can still get an erection, it's painful and not as large or full as you might be used to.

A male-bodied person who does not want to change their brain chemistry with estrogen could get breast implants and facial feminization, and appear as a woman, while still having a fully functional penis. It is unlikely, though, that a transsexual would do such a thing.

So it's not the fantasies we mind. As Marie says, what transsexuals complain about is having the word "she-male" applied to transsexuals.

So don't make it out like we're the Thought Police who want to control people's fantasies or what they talk about. Just get your facts straight and don't apply names to us that make us sound like something we're not, ok?

tm

[Robinium]

@tenni
I don't have any problem with bi guys having the fantasy of a female with a functioning dick or a dick + vagina. It's just that some don't get that it rarely works that way, plus if they check out TS women, they make the classic mistakes which will ruin any chance of them ever achieving their goal. I made the mistake to assign as trans on a gay dating site which also accepted trans people, and I was asked silly and very extreme questions all the time. No problems with explicit questions, buuutttt.... most guys thought I was the other way round (though I wrote it in my profile) and so I had the opportunity to see the same silly "ruin-your-chance-for-a-date-in-a-minute" mistakes happen over and over again. It was hilarious. We female-to-male transsexuals sometimes even post copies of the funniest of these chats in our forums for a good laugh.

So here's my constructive advice - you needn't be a rocket scientist to keep these few simple rules in mind, and you can even stick them to your screen:

1. Read the profile before asking personal or sexual questions. Instead of chatting with a "chick with a dick", you might be chatting with a transguy whose body is the exact opposite of what you're looking for. And he might be annoyed or eat up your time by answering your questions with a big grin on his face ("What are you wearing right now?" "A black T-shirt, blue jeans and sports shoes." "But what underwear are you wearing now?" "Wife-beaters and my favourite Homer Simpson boxer shorts." "WTF???"). Or the girl might not want to be asked questions she might find offensive. Plus it might help you find out if you're actually chatting with a TV or a TS, and answer some of your questions anyway so you save time.

2. Never use the terms she-male or "chick with a dick" or anything like that. Never. Ever. Use transsexual or TS instead. Otherwise, you might ruin all your chances in your first sentence ("Hello, are you a she-male?" --> Epic fail). You probably don't want to be asked if you're a "fag" or "fencesitter" either.

3. If it's a male-to-female TS: use female pronouns or your chat will be an epic fail.

4. Take at least a few questions' time before asking if there's something dangling there or "she already had the OP". It might be a bit weird for your chat partner to get this question asked first.

5. Male-to-female transsexuals tend to indeed think more like women than like men. So even for a sex contact chat, a lot of fuss might be necessary in advance, instead of just asking the person for their e. g. glove size in your first sentence as you can do with gay and bi guys.

6. If you really spend much time looking for TS women anyway, do your homework and check out general information about this topic on the internet. This will help you avoid some of the other errors you might make. This little list here is not exhaustive.

[Jexplore]

call them what you will............that would be the perfect partner for me......
the best of both worlds in my opinion.......

[tenni]

Sorry for having used the word but it is a porn word and a fantasy word from porn. It is almost as if the two should be separated as fantasy and reality are often separate. It is however a reality that some bimen are attracted to a fantasy of transwomen in transition as you prefer to call them. Many men use and hold porn for what it is intended: fantasy to masturbate. I am suspecting that these bimen who are attracted do not even want to know the reality of really being with a transwoman? In fact, I don't think that they care that the person believes themself to be a woman and not a man. They simply want both body parts. The person doesn't matter any more than another guy as a one night stand. It is objectify more than not.

I've also known a guy who wanted breasts but he wanted to keep his penis and have it active. I don't think that he had thought it through too well though. I couldn't understand him when he made this point after years of knowing him. I was surprised when he told me this. In some respects, he said that he saw himself as a woman but you would never think from his outward behaviour that he thought that way. I don't think that he did anything about it from the last contact I had with him.

I personally have no attraction to transwomen in transition and so such a fantasy is not my fantasy. I may be attracted to a transwoman who has transitioned though. I don't know and I do not seek it out.

[69luvr]

As a bisexual male, I always fantasize about sex with a male and a female.

Last week i saw a movie with a shemale in it, who was so hot, i almost lost it.
she had beautiful breasts, firm ass, and a thick sexy cock.

Now, as a bi male, how many would think that it would be hot to be able to have sex with someone that you can do anal sex too, but who can turn you over and do anal sex to you, and has firm breasts and a great ass!

Someone you can kiss, with beautiful lips and sexy stomach, and a hot cock between the legs, can it be any better?

No it simply can not be any better then that! You did forget to mention a hot cum kiss when you are through!

[ashleycd]

I'm new here and though I have "gender issues" I'm not transitioning anytime soon or ever. That said, this thread has some incredible responses. I am honored to be around people like those who treated this issue with respect and dignity, as well as brutal honesty.

On another note, with respect to porn, whether it's "shemale" porn or otherwise, porn has one inherent problem -- capitalizing on the fantasy in many cases requires the perversion of reality, which on a case-by-case basis may not be that harmful to an individual person, but on the whole creates a distorted image of those stuck in that reality in the minds of the collective watcher. So, "shemale" porn is rather harmful in my opinion to the struggle most transwomen face. The fact that some didn't realize the implications of transition on libido and ability to "perform" is additional proof of that perversion of reality.

Not being a prude, and not anti-porn at all, just saying like with all aspects of life, there's the good AND the bad associated with it. Personally though, I like reality, it's much messier and much more enjoyable to really know a person through and through. It's the gift we can give to our lovers that allows them to live and die with dignity and in communion with loved ones.

peace
-ash

[darkeyes]

I know men who enjoy getting their ass or mouth fucked by a hard shemale cock so yeah a shemale getting hard and cumming does happen. Shemales are HOT and have the best of both worlds!

I read a post on this site where a man wrote an erotic story about thinking he was going to have sex with a woman and he wound up having hot sex with a tranny shemale!

I am sure there are more shemales who post on this site than the few that do that are vocal, but they are just afraid of the ultra PC trollings and bashings of being out as a shemale.

sluts with sausage / dolls with balls / babes with boners / women with wangs / chicks with dicks / moms with meat / playmates with prostates / debbies with dongs / heroines with hard-ons / ladies with lances / lolitas with lovesticks / dykes with dinks / bitches with beef / wives with weiners / whores with more / widows with woodies / tricks with tripods / nieces with nuts / females with foreskin / bimbos with bones / princesses with penises / brides with bananas / hookers with horsecocks / nuns with knobs / skanks with scrotums / gals with gadgets / skirts with schlongs / sisters with snakes / broads with rods / tramps with testes / cunts with cocks / wenches with wee-wees / girls with gonads / nymphs with niggerdicks / mamas with manhood / nannies with nightsticks / pinays with pipes / shrews with salami / chicas with chubbies / harpies with helmets / dominatrixes with dipsticks / succubuses with sacks / maidens with members / bachlorettes with bishops / goddesses with goliaths / hoochies with hoses / vixens with vipers / foxes with fucksticks / actresses with anacondas / dames with ding-dongs / mistresses with manginas / tarts with tools / hotties with hammers / femmes with footlongs / prostitutes with pogosticks / Trannies!

Whatever ya wanna call em SHEMALES are HOT! ;)

Thank you for making Marie's case for her.. what a slimeball...

[bigolv]

Year's ago I had sex with a woman, a very beautiful woman. This woman had a very nice penis! it was hot. I'd seriously like to meet another woman w/ a penis and have sex with her again. A beautiful woman with a hard cock doesn't get any better for a bisexual male like myself to have sex with. At this point in my life I'd like to have a relationship with a woman like this, I seriously enjoy oral sex, giving & receiving also top and bottem, I recently kissed a man for the first time, it was also hot and turned me on. I'm not gay I'm bisexual, But! A woman with a cock is the best of both worlds in one. Any woman out there that fit the bill please get intouch with me, for me your all woman! the cock is just a big plus:), What can I say " I like dick" V

[romer]

for sake of clarity, and not to be offensive, what is the 'proper' non offensive name for one having a set of breast and a manly tool to boot ???
Don't want to offend anyone.............

[ubersmack]

for sake of clarity, and not to be offensive, what is the 'proper' non offensive name for one having a set of breast and a manly tool to boot ???
Don't want to offend anyone.............

Transsexual or TS..... or a Woman and score some points for yourself.

Treat her like a woman, take her out as a woman, love her like a woman, after all she is a woman in the making.

[cornholejoe]

whatever want to call them dont matter i have done it with 2 or three and it was great makes for a fun threesome

[MarieDelta]

for sake of clarity, and not to be offensive, what is the 'proper' non offensive name for one having a set of breast and a manly tool to boot ???
Don't want to offend anyone.............

A transsexual woman is a trans woman (or just a woman)(Desinated male at birth transitioning to female)

A transsexual man is a trans man (or just man)(Designated female at birth transitioning to male)

[Falke]

A transsexual woman is a trans woman (or just a woman)(Desinated male at birth transitioning to female)

A transsexual man is a trans man (or just man)(Designated female at birth transitioning to male)

What Marie has said. I would strongly recommend using her advice along with the advice of life-rule number 2: "Don't be a douche." Not implying anything, but it is a commonly overlooked/inadvertently broken rule.

[hotkevin11]

:tongue:
It depends on the person. Just call them by their name. Some are OK with the terms tranny and shemale and freely use them, while some are not.

every-one is a person.. treat every-one with respect please!!

[hotkevin11]

:tongue:

every-one is a person.. treat every-one with respect please!!

I live in boise idaho.. and I would like for any-one to showw me around whole sex sean I want to meet some new people I've only been ion boise for 7mo's. any one willing to show me?? e-mail me at joni.888991.kevin@hotmail.com thank-you!!

[uncut7thick2]

what can i say except that i love to play with shemale and have done so many times best of both worlds especially the versatile ones cock size doesn't really matter to me ,, but i do likem thick (_O_) C====8 i used to dress at one time too many years ago now:male:

[*Lou*]

I've been reading this thread since it began. One thing I find interesting is the fact that no matter what term one uses to describe a trans individual, said term MAY upset or offend a particular person or group of people. Simply stated I don't believe in labels, we are all human beings, yes, I understand the whole gender ID thing, but can't we just agree to disagree, treat others with respect and common decency, and move on with our lives?

[man65here]

I've been reading this thread since it began. One thing I find interesting is the fact that no matter what term one uses to describe a trans individual, said term MAY upset or offend a particular person or group of people. Simply stated I don't believe in labels, we are all human beings, yes, I understand the whole gender ID thing, but can't we just agree to disagree, treat others with respect and common decency, and move on with our lives?

Another case of not accepting a compliment, because it wasn't worded correctly. Shemale is not my favorite term, but in my small circle of friends it is used to describe a trans woman with a working penis. No insult intended, because I myself would like to meet that person. Any other transgendered person is simply referred to as He or She.

I can't believe how thin the skin is in this community, call me anything you like, but call me... lol

:flag1:

[centillini]

to be quite honest, I find a sexy lady with something extra the hottest thing, soft, and sweet with beauitiful ass, and nice tits with a hard cock,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. ONly thing better would be a couple.

[_Joe_]

I do so miss someone that doesn't come around here no more.

She was such a nice one to talk to, and I said something to pretty much nailed it for her and she appreciated. It's understandable for a person to have a quirk/fetish to someone is transgendered. Just like it's a fetish for a redhead, someone short, someone with huge boobs, someone wearing leather, etc etc etc. However you don't really score points with them if all you focus on is those traits and ignore the person. Treat someone as a person first, and the traits you lust after second - you'll make them feel better immensely.

I know I'm probably just pissing in the wind but hey it was a great understanding we had back then and I miss chatting with her, but remember her also bitching how a simple little rule like that is why others never got a "hi" back from her.

Then again, I told her it was an easy way to filter out the freaking idiots, and that was the flipside that she never realized.

[mel_bigboy]

Well, now I've learned something new! I too have spent my life extremely attracted too, and calling those ladies "shemales." I appreciate this thread and feel a little more educated.
Now, transexual ladies turn me on soooooo much!

[PrettyFlowingGown]

I prefer a penis over a vagina, so ofcourse I love she-males. I had one in hollywood in 2004 and she was gorgous. We both sucked each other off and it was one of the best sessions i've ever had.

[maxtor]

i have always been bi but have always wanted to meet a nice ts/tv/tg and have a serious relationship which might result in a lifetime partnership. i have always been smitten ts/tg/tv's with their additional spice they can bring into a relationship. i am sure sometime i could meet a man that i would partner with but i am still looking for that ts/tg/tv that would sweep me up and take me to bed and that would be the one that took me over the edge.

[wrhull1960]

First of all I agree that trans-women (and trans-men) are hot.

Secondly as a male to female transgendered person I do not personally take offense to the term shemale. To me the labels are much less important than the context in which they are used. The term shemale does carry the baggage of objectification from the porn industry so what. If someone calls me a shemale because they are naive, I try and use that as an opportunity clarify their understanding in a low key positive way. If they don't want to listen then C'est la vie, I have better things to do.

Life is way too short for me to spend time worrying about ignorant people or the language police.

it brings to mind this quote:

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind".
Dr. Seuss

Peace

[hoope55]

That maybe something I would want to try a beautiful woman with nice breast and a bonus has a nice cock.

[NjbiGuy01]

Not to be off topic, but do Hermaphrodites actually exist ? As bi-male, my ultimate fantasy has to be both a cock and vagina on one single entity. I've seen this in movies, and porn mags, sometimes very tough to tell if this is for real. Even seen a few documentaries about people born that way, and the doctors making the decision about what sex the child "should be" !!

Anyone got any thoughts on this ??

[Realist]

I think that maybe some of the hermaphrodites in porn videos are surgically enhanced, or done with video-magic.

We have a female member, here, who had a hermaphrodite lover. If she reads this she may volunteer to detail that relationship.

When I was in the Air Force, a friend was married to one.

The couple had no qualms about discussing the wife's abnormalities with me. Their attitude was, more people should be aware of them. According to her, there's more hermaphrodites born, but they are usually arbitrarily mutilated by doctors, at birth.

She said she did not have a huge cock, but a fully functioning one of about 3 inches. Her husband said it was perfectly formed, with it's foreskin intact. She had testicles, but they were up inside her body...as were her ovaries.

Conceivably, she could impregnate herself, but there was a disconnect in her reproductive parts and the doctors said it would be impossible with her physical condition to have children. I don't remember if she had viable sperm, or not, though.

If they hadn't told me about her, I would have never known. She was pretty, definitely female in every other way, and very smart. I liked her and if I had met her before him, I would have loved to date her.

[AnnieTGFL]

I've been transgender since I started developing as a teen (hormonal imbalance). I took hormones later to enhance myself and found it to be an educational experience. As for names, I now find them to be just words. People are going to think about me in the way they want and I can't control that. I've had male, female and trans friends and lovers. What was important to me was how they viewed me as a person when I got to know them. For the most part I've had great experiences with others and been treated very well. Just the view from my side of the fence.

[maxtor]

i have always been smitten with tgurls. from when i was a very young age i had heard about them and my sexual perference is to meet a nice tfurl, treat her as a woman constantly, afford her the respect that would go right hand in hand as a genetic woman. i could not pursue my dream during my career in the military although i had a few m/m short relatinships that had to be kept under the cover, literally. i always enjoy sex with a man but always wanted that extra beauty and attitude of a man transitioning to a woman. nothing is hotter to me than a gurl bringing that extra spice to a relationship. i enjoy the oral and anal sex that would be affored us and the beauty that every man enjoys. if i find that dream girl i will treat her as a spouse and with that goes all the emienities of being the woman of the house. i like the idea of my spouse being in the house and having that spice that i love in sex sucking each other and topping with frequent anal episodes. i want to get my anal to the point that is receptive without any regrets and could bottom or top anytime the need arises. i love the feel of a cock up in me massaging my prostate and hitting that sweet spot that makes me empty my sperm everywhere. i have used vibrators and dildoes but it is just not the same as the feel of a hard cock punch inside my belly driving me to competetion.

if there is any tgurls out there to fit that bill please get with me and we will talk about things. i really want a 24/7 as a spouse or perm partner. try me, we may click. i have my own home and stable. :male::female:

[art0711]

I would love to be with someone that could supply me with the best of both worlds ...... That would be so hot .......

[tvoyemat]

I am calm.

And yeah, it was definitely a mistake.

And being a member of the lgbt means you should be educated about these things, imo.

Why?

Just because I like to have sex with both men and women, why does that oblige me to become informed about something else entirely?

[bi4asplay]

As you can see from my pics I was lucky enough to play with a lady/guy that to herself is a Shemale, for almost 10 years.Fantastic cock, beautiful breast, great body.She liked to fuck for hours.I loved it

[chapsmccall]

i always wanted to be with a chick with a dick

[elian]

It would probably be an interesting experience. At first I used to worry about what other people would think but you know, I'm not so sure I care that much anymore - it's not really their business.

I don't know how many transition fully (or would want to if they could afford it) - my understanding is that the person identifies as female - I wonder if they are happy with their genitals or not? Personally when I had those feelings I was not happy with male genitalia. Growing up most of the male role models I had in my life were drunk and abusive so all I could think was if that's what it meant to "be a man" I wanted to be as far away from that as I could get. There were other motivations as well. I have since tried to learn to be calm and accept myself a bit better. Meeting some very nice men who are loving also helped. I still fantasize about it sometimes.

So I guess I can identify with the desire to want to change, and yes - if I was attracted to the person, sure. I love to watch people enjoying themselves. :)

[fredtyg]

I wonder if they are happy with their genitals or not? Personally when I had those feelings I was not happy with male genitalia.

I responded to a local Craigslist ad a few years ago from a guy/gal that was going through the sex change thing. I forget how far he was along. I wrote to just ask a few questions. He was nice enough but VERY hostile towards his male genitals. I could almost hear him screaming through the e-mail. He really hated them.

[hornytampaboy22]

Shemales are the best of both worlds!! cock, tits, and female looking!!! Ive never been with one but always fantasized about it!!

[chapsmccall]

So much for the learning experience. After 23 posts, someone hasn't learned a thing.
before you start burning the author at the stake for using the word"shemale"ya might want to get todays society to change or quit using that word. i have been bi for a long time and have friends who were born men and wanted to have the best of both worlds.here is a thought for you all--- a chicken that is made to look like a duck,is still a chicken. ok yall can call me all these bad names and say how bad i am

[man4girlgirl4man]

My take on shemales is this:

98% or more of them are totally sexually unappealing per my personal tastes. The other 1% to 2% are really hot.

I know one of those rare totally hot tranny babes. Young, slim, tall, nice dick about 7 inches (wish it was bigger than my 8 but on this babe I don't even care), and drop dead gorgeous face that's miles beyond just pretty. And prettier than almost any biological babe or other tranny out there. And also small and nice boobs with long yummy nipples.

PS - fake tits are a deal breaker for me every time. On a tranny or regular woman.

And most important of all - she is a great person I can totally trust. And she's as hot to get naked with me as I am to get naked with her.

We've hooked up about 10 times - she has an on/off boyfriend and she calls me during their "off" times. She fucked me and I fucked her and sometimes nobody fucks anyone and we just kiss, touch, suck each other's dicks in every position there is and make each other come.

[john_jenn26]

I have always wanted the chance to meet a transgendered. I think it is so erotic to b with one. Best of both worlds

[jem_is_bi]

My take on shemales is this:

98% or more of them are totally sexually unappealing per my personal tastes. The other 1% to 2% are really hot.

I know one of those rare totally hot tranny babes. Young, slim, tall, nice dick about 7 inches (wish it was bigger than my 8 but on this babe I don't even care), and drop dead gorgeous face that's miles beyond just pretty. And prettier than almost any biological babe or other tranny out there. And also small and nice boobs with long yummy nipples.

PS - fake tits are a deal breaker for me every time. On a tranny or regular woman.

And most important of all - she is a great person I can totally trust. And she's as hot to get naked with me as I am to get naked with her.

We've hooked up about 10 times - she has an on/off boyfriend and she calls me during their "off" times. She fucked me and I fucked her and sometimes nobody fucks anyone and we just kiss, touch, suck each other's dicks in every position there is and make each other come.

I have no experience with shemales. But, I know you are a very lucky guy for having such a person as a friend and lover.

[Meliss]

Words have power.

Would you rather have filet mignon or first class piece of dead cow?

That said, how a word is said can be more important that what is said.

An adoring obviously smitten man calling me by a less flattering word is something I can deal with as long as his tone is a purring one.

If his tone is a growling one and he is disgusted with me, no word will really feel right.

I am amazed how many openly gay, or partner swapping people will label tv, or tg people as unnatural or depraved.

To me as long as everyone has fun and all get to play, all is good in the world.

[Plumhead2]

Always a wise post by Meliss. Thank you

[pole_smoker]

I'm personally not sexually attracted to she males but if other people are that's cool.

[DownBoy]

Transexuals can be sexy.
There was this one transexual that I would see on my college campus. She was super feminine and very passable. She would always wear a miniskirt and heels. During the winter, she'd wear leggings underneath her miniskirt. Most girls that show off their legs tend to become uncomfortable and hide themselves. The transexual girl owned her leggy outfits and flaunted her sexyness.
I wanted to get to know her better, but I didn't know how to approach her, so I would check her out constantly like a creep. She knew I liked her too.

[charles-smythe]

As a bisexual male, I always fantasize about sex with a male and a female.

Last week i saw a movie with a shemale in it, who was so hot, i almost lost it.
she had beautiful breasts, firm ass, and a thick sexy cock.

Now, as a bi male, how many would think that it would be hot to be able to have sex with someone that you can do anal sex too, but who can turn you over and do anal sex to you, and has firm breasts and a great ass!

Someone you can kiss, with beautiful lips and sexy stomach, and a hot cock between the legs, can it be any better?
…the shemale thing wouldn’t work for me…I don’t do annal…so if I want feminine & romance I want a real girl with a pussy…& if I wanr dick give me a real guy…I’m not into fem…

[GentlePersuasion]

I can only imagine the ultimate Ecstasy of passionately seducing a Beautiful Shemale. Passionately embracing her sultry moist lips in mine sensually massaging her Magnificent breasts,tenderly pinching her sensitive erect nipples our pulsing hard cocks caressing. Passionately circling my tongue around her throbbing hard foreskin tenderly nibbling 69 & one on one.Spreading her lovely thighs around my hips guiding my pulsing hard cock inside her tight pussy ass,gyrating deep stroking her throbbing hard cock caressing her Magnificent breasts.Moaning together with orgasmic ecstasy collapsing together passionately kissing sensually caressing one another.Only an incredible FANTASY right now,truly would be the ULTIMATE pleasure real time.

[pole_smoker]

I can only imagine the ultimate Ecstasy of passionately seducing a Beautiful Shemale. Passionately embracing her sultry moist lips in mine sensually massaging her Magnificent breasts,tenderly pinching her sensitive erect nipples our pulsing hard cocks caressing. Passionately circling my tongue around her throbbing hard foreskin tenderly nibbling 69 & one on one.Spreading her lovely thighs around my hips guiding my pulsing hard cock inside her tight pussy ass,gyrating deep stroking her throbbing hard cock caressing her Magnificent breasts.Moaning together with orgasmic ecstasy collapsing together passionately kissing sensually caressing one another.Only an incredible FANTASY right now,truly would be the ULTIMATE pleasure real time.
Why not just get with an actual man? Or if you like effeminate men get with a cross-dresser/Transvestite or drag queen.

[querty]

Id love find a really pretty, femine, shemale to experience. I think it would be crazy hot.

[open2both]

Ok,
Attraction is YOURS to WHATEVER!
A song, a movie, a house, cuisine, body type…etc.!
SHEMALES are WONDERFULLY intoxicating to me!!
Enjoy the RUSH they give your heart and senses and loins!
Life is a FEAST! Surrender and no regrets!

[pole_smoker]

Words have power.

Would you rather have filet mignon or first class piece of dead cow?

That said, how a word is said can be more important that what is said.

An adoring obviously smitten man calling me by a less flattering word is something I can deal with as long as his tone is a purring one.

If his tone is a growling one and he is disgusted with me, no word will really feel right.

I am amazed how many openly gay, or partner swapping people will label tv, or tg people as unnatural or depraved.

To me as long as everyone has fun and all get to play, all is good in the world.

Talking with trans people is like thermonuclear war. The only way to win is not to play. Whatever you say, no matter what it is and what your intentions are, it will offend them. Because they thrive on being offended and are professional victims. It gives them permission to externalize their rage. And they enjoy the power that comes with being a moral judge over others. So they will look for any opportunity to be offended. If you don’t provide it, they will invent it. If you abide by all of their “trans etiquette” rules, they will invent new rules or change the old rules.
If you find yourself caught in a trans attack, whatever you do, don’t apologize. Listening to you grovel will only add to their pleasure and mark you as an attractive target for more abuse. LGBs are already their preferred victims, so don’t add to it by satisfying their sadistic drive.

[T208HUNG]

I would not like the idea of a bitch fucking my hole like I fuck a bitch. That would not turn me on. And when Im with a girl I still try to fuck that ass. So a chick with a dick seems like a lot of trouble when you could just find some stud to give you some dick

[eager4cum]

Words have power.

Would you rather have filet mignon or first class piece of dead cow?

That said, how a word is said can be more important that what is said.

An adoring obviously smitten man calling me by a less flattering word is something I can deal with as long as his tone is a purring one.

If his tone is a growling one and he is disgusted with me, no word will really feel right.

I am amazed how many openly gay, or partner swapping people will label tv, or tg people as unnatural or depraved.

To me as long as everyone has fun and all get to play, all is good in the world.

Well said

[bw299]

As a bisexual male, I always fantasize about sex with a male and a female.

Last week i saw a movie with a shemale in it, who was so hot, i almost lost it.
she had beautiful breasts, firm ass, and a thick sexy cock.

Now, as a bi male, how many would think that it would be hot to be able to have sex with someone that you can do anal sex too, but who can turn you over and do anal sex to you, and has firm breasts and a great ass!

Someone you can kiss, with beautiful lips and sexy stomach, and a hot cock between the legs, can it be any better? I have been fortunate enough to be with one M2F functioning trans. I had fantasized about it for years and, when it finally happened, I shot my wad twice without external stimulation. She had beautiful 34C titties, 6.5" of thick, cut clit, and shot the sweetest cum I have ever tasted. Oh what a night!:oh:

[Fred_Brice]

I would really enjoy the experience of spending some time with a feminine She-Male that have a nice breast and a nice hard cock to experience/enjoy and maybe more!

[Jazminedress]

I would really enjoy the experience of spending some time with a feminine She-Male that have a nice breast and a nice hard cock to experience/enjoy and maybe more!

Me too

[Jack Black]

In the late 50's, a traveling side show came through Marshfield, Wi. during the Central Wisconsin State Fair. The barker told of the amazing freaks and geeks inside the tent, including a woman who had both male and female genitals. My buddies and I had to see her/ him so, we bought tickets and went in. Each freak or geek did their thing in tableaus in the tent. After the last act their was a walled off area, and in order to enter it and see him/ her, we had to pay another two bits. We paid up and went in. After everyone was in, an ugly middle aged woman, with a apron around her waist entered. She gave her spiel about having both a vagina and a penis and that she could, impregnate herself. After her spiel, she removed the apron and exposed herself. A perfectly formed 5"-6" penis was revealed above a vagina. To prove that the vagina was real, she took a cigarette from a guy in the front row, inserted in her pussy lips and took a drag from it, then blew the smoke out. She tried to give the cigarette back but the guy slapped it to the ground and stomped it out. To prove his/ her cock was real, she offered anyone who wanted to, to examine it close-up and to pull on it to prove it also was real. No one volunteered. To me at the time, I thought it to be real. He/ she became a masturbatory fantasy for years although in my fantasy she'd be wearing a bag over her head.

[csreef]

I would really enjoy the experience of spending some time with a feminine She-Male that have a nice breast and a nice hard cock to experience/enjoy and maybe more!

That would be the best of both worlds! :flag4:

[Flypaper]

I would really enjoy the experience of spending some time with a feminine She-Male that have a nice breast and a nice hard cock to experience/enjoy and maybe more!


The trans women I’ve met who embrace their identify prefer not to have attention paid to their cocks. They work, sure, and it’s nice to suck a little but the pleasure is in treating her like a woman and making love to her as such.

[SophiasChoice]

I'm a Male-to-Female (MTF) transgender, and have been on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for about 7 months now. I don't plan on getting Sexual Reassignment Surgery (SRS). Here's some things people should know:

1. Being on HRT with Testosterone blockers (T-blockers), no sperm is generated. That means even if I have an orgasm from my penis, nothing will come out. If I had a male partner, and he wanted me to cum with actual loads, I'd have to stop taking T-blockers for a considerable amount of time.
2. Sexual preference does not change (at least not for me).
3. Because of T-blockers, I no longer get erections unless my penis is physically aroused. I've noticed that it's a little smaller while erect, but it's a lot more sensitive. I used to enjoy hand-jobs. Not anymore, it just hurts.
4. Sex is different. Before, the goal was to have an orgasm with my cock. Now, it's just enjoying sex to have my partner orgasm. I really like my nipples licked and sucked on, and less so than my having my cock licked and sucked (not that it's not enjoyable, just not as much as before). I get really aroused with foreplay, and my preference with a woman would be going down on her, and with a man, going down on him.
5. My ass is a lot more sensitive. It's no longer just about the prostate.
6. Instead of one big final orgasm with the cock, it's about a lot of little orgasms from everywhere. I don't know if that will change further on down the road, but I'm enjoying it for now.
7. Dominance/Submission doesn't change.
8. Libido is drastically lower. I don't initiate sex, anymore, which can be tough for intimacy, but that doesn't mean I don't want to have sex or be intimate.
9. The texture of my hair, skin, and tongue, is a lot smoother. My body odor is also more feminine than masculine. Aside from the private parts between the legs, I pretty much feel, smell, and taste like a woman.
10. I prefer being treated like a person, rather than just a sex object. However, if you treat me like a person, I'll let you treat me like a sex object. ;)
11. I like to cuddle more.
12. If #10, and I like/want you, having my ass and small boobs paid attention to, turns me on.

I hope this helps people know what to expect, from a "shemale" point of view.

[Flypaper]

Thank you for sharing. This is precisely what my trans friends have told me as well, but with fewer specifics, like the change in body odor.

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I'm a Male-to-Female (MTF) transgender, and have been on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for about 7 months now. I don't plan on getting Sexual Reassignment Surgery (SRS). Here's some things people should know:

1. Being on HRT with Testosterone blockers (T-blockers), no sperm is generated. That means even if I have an orgasm from my penis, nothing will come out. If I had a male partner, and he wanted me to cum with actual loads, I'd have to stop taking T-blockers for a considerable amount of time.
2. Sexual preference does not change (at least not for me).
3. Because of T-blockers, I no longer get erections unless my penis is physically aroused. I've noticed that it's a little smaller while erect, but it's a lot more sensitive. I used to enjoy hand-jobs. Not anymore, it just hurts.
4. Sex is different. Before, the goal was to have an orgasm with my cock. Now, it's just enjoying sex to have my partner orgasm. I really like my nipples licked and sucked on, and less so than my having my cock licked and sucked (not that it's not enjoyable, just not as much as before). I get really aroused with foreplay, and my preference with a woman would be going down on her, and with a man, going down on him.
5. My ass is a lot more sensitive. It's no longer just about the prostate.
6. Instead of one big final orgasm with the cock, it's about a lot of little orgasms from everywhere. I don't know if that will change further on down the road, but I'm enjoying it for now.
7. Dominance/Submission doesn't change.
8. Libido is drastically lower. I don't initiate sex, anymore, which can be tough for intimacy, but that doesn't mean I don't want to have sex or be intimate.
9. The texture of my hair, skin, and tongue, is a lot smoother. My body odor is also more feminine than masculine. Aside from the private parts between the legs, I pretty much feel, smell, and taste like a woman.
10. I prefer being treated like a person, rather than just a sex object. However, if you treat me like a person, I'll let you treat me like a sex object. ;)
11. I like to cuddle more.
12. If #10, and I like/want you, having my ass and small boobs paid attention to, turns me on.

I hope this helps people know what to expect, from a "shemale" point of view.

[MontyinHamilton]

Thank you for sharing that, must get boring with some people and their one sided fantasies, when all you want is to be treated like a lady should.

[Jazminedress]

10. I prefer being treated like a person, rather than just a sex object. However, if you treat me like a person, I'll let you treat me like a sex object. ;)
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I dont think when everyone uses certain words, they dont mean any disrespect, I believe on any forum where it's just words on a page, it's hard to express in words without making someone feel like an object. Even just as a CD I have had the PM's of "Yeah, I would be willing to let you blow me"

Well, gee thanks, my world is complete now......lol. Then, I have had some really nice guys who have approached me because I am the type of person they are looking for, but they still stumble over words. It's a brave new world and we are having conversations and being more open than we ever have been, it will be a learning curve

[Robtiti]

Thanks for the great info!
I'm a Male-to-Female (MTF) transgender, and have been on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for about 7 months now. I don't plan on getting Sexual Reassignment Surgery (SRS). Here's some things people should know:

1. Being on HRT with Testosterone blockers (T-blockers), no sperm is generated. That means even if I have an orgasm from my penis, nothing will come out. If I had a male partner, and he wanted me to cum with actual loads, I'd have to stop taking T-blockers for a considerable amount of time.
2. Sexual preference does not change (at least not for me).
3. Because of T-blockers, I no longer get erections unless my penis is physically aroused. I've noticed that it's a little smaller while erect, but it's a lot more sensitive. I used to enjoy hand-jobs. Not anymore, it just hurts.
4. Sex is different. Before, the goal was to have an orgasm with my cock. Now, it's just enjoying sex to have my partner orgasm. I really like my nipples licked and sucked on, and less so than my having my cock licked and sucked (not that it's not enjoyable, just not as much as before). I get really aroused with foreplay, and my preference with a woman would be going down on her, and with a man, going down on him.
5. My ass is a lot more sensitive. It's no longer just about the prostate.
6. Instead of one big final orgasm with the cock, it's about a lot of little orgasms from everywhere. I don't know if that will change further on down the road, but I'm enjoying it for now.
7. Dominance/Submission doesn't change.
8. Libido is drastically lower. I don't initiate sex, anymore, which can be tough for intimacy, but that doesn't mean I don't want to have sex or be intimate.
9. The texture of my hair, skin, and tongue, is a lot smoother. My body odor is also more feminine than masculine. Aside from the private parts between the legs, I pretty much feel, smell, and taste like a woman.
10. I prefer being treated like a person, rather than just a sex object. However, if you treat me like a person, I'll let you treat me like a sex object. ;)
11. I like to cuddle more.
12. If #10, and I like/want you, having my ass and small boobs paid attention to, turns me on.

I hope this helps people know what to expect, from a "shemale" point of view.

[Take.it.Easy]

Sex with a trans is the best, I dated a top trans and she was amazing! Huge cock and cummer.
As a bisexual male, I always fantasize about sex with a male and a female.

Last week i saw a movie with a shemale in it, who was so hot, i almost lost it.
she had beautiful breasts, firm ass, and a thick sexy cock.

Now, as a bi male, how many would think that it would be hot to be able to have sex with someone that you can do anal sex too, but who can turn you over and do anal sex to you, and has firm breasts and a great ass!

Someone you can kiss, with beautiful lips and sexy stomach, and a hot cock between the legs, can it be any better?

[Grumpygrandpa]

No disrespect ment. Being reasonably curious I would like to explore the possibility of getting to know someone with a bit extra stashed away. FWB would work nicely. Such things dreams are made of.

[jjourneyman]

I posted about this on another thread a while back. Like a lot of guys (and maybe women too), I'd always been curious about being with a trans. I had been since I was in college and drove down to Tijuana to do some shopping one Saturday afternoon. After I had finished shopping, I stopped at a bar to have a few beers and pass some time in order to let the line go down at the border. While I was at the bar, seated at a table behind me, there were three of the most beautiful women I'd ever seen. I figured they were prostitutes, but I couldn't help but be tempted. When I asked the bartender how much thee ladies went for, he kind of laughed and told me they weren't ladies. I turned back to look at them and it dawned on me.

They were transgender, but damn they were hot looking. Then the bartender asked me if I was still interested? I told him no, but I was still curious as to how much they went for a night. He started laughing and told me they go for four to five times as much as a regular prostitute. That was an eye opener.

Fast forward to 10 years ago. I was in Houston on an extended business trip. I was looking for a classy escort to accompany me on a company-sponsored event, so I went on Eros to see what I could find. As I was looking through the various models, I noticed in the upper right hand corner there was a tab for transgender. Being curios, I clicked on it. WOW! There were some absolutely gorgeous women on there!

As I looked through the profiles, there were two or three that really stood out. The first one that I had picked out wasn't available, but the second one was. We made a date and I got the "girlfriend" package, which meant that she would go to the function with me and spend the night. It wasn't cheap by any means, but it was well worth it! When we got to the function, everyone's jaw dropped when she walked in on my arm. She was a total professional and even though every guy there wanted to hit on her, she made it clear that she was taken. She was so passable that even the guys wives were jealous.

Later that night at the hotel, we bathed together in the jacuzzi tub and afterward, she gave me the best massage I've ever had. We didn't get around to making love until about 4 a.m. but it was probably one of the best sexual encounters I've ever had. She made all the right moves, had perfect breasts and nicely shaped ass, and made all of the right moves. And she had a nicely functional 6 inch penis too.

It was well worth the $2500 I paid to fulfill a fantasy.

Later, everyone was asking about her. They were wanting to know if we were serious or not. Sadly, I had to tell them... not.

[Bob6cock]

Would love to get with a shemale an suck some tits an cock, maybe more in phix az