Spirituality And The Brain

[AdamKadmon43]

If this is true .... it would certainly explain a great deal.

http://www.livescience.com/health/spirituality-brain-link-100211.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Livesciencecom+%28LiveScience .com+Science+Headline+Feed%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo

[FalconAngel]

Interesting article.

As long as it is measurable and properly confirms all of the evidence, then it is a valid explanation.

[Canticle]

If this is true .... it would certainly explain a great deal.

http://www.livescience.com/health/spirituality-brain-link-100211.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Livesciencecom+%28LiveScience .com+Science+Headline+Feed%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo

You mean this.......

Health
Links to Spirituality Found in the Brain
By LiveScience Staff

posted: 11 February 2010 10:02 pm ET

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Scientists have identified areas of the brain that, when damaged, lead to greater spirituality. The findings hint at the roots of spiritual and religious attitudes, the researchers say.

The study, published in the Feb. 11 issue of the journal Neuron, involves a personality trait called self-transcendence, which is a somewhat vague measure of spiritual feeling, thinking, and behaviors. Self-transcendence "reflects a decreased sense of self and an ability to identify one's self as an integral part of the universe as a whole," the researchers explain.

Before and after surgery, the scientists surveyed patients who had brain tumors removed. The surveys generate self-transcendence scores.

Selective damage to the left and right posterior parietal regions of the brain induced a specific increase in self-transcendence, or ST, the surveys showed.

"Our symptom-lesion mapping study is the first demonstration of a causative link between brain functioning and ST," said Dr. Cosimo Urgesi from the University of Udine in Italy. "Damage to posterior parietal areas induced unusually fast changes of a stable personality dimension related to transcendental self-referential awareness. Thus, dysfunctional parietal neural activity may underpin altered spiritual and religious attitudes and behaviors."

Previous neuroimaging studies had linked activity within a large network in the brain that connects the frontal, parietal, and temporal cortexes with spiritual experiences, "but information on the causative link between such a network and spirituality is lacking," explains lead study author, Urgesi said.

One study, reported in 2008, suggested that the brain's right parietal lobe defines "Me," and people with less active Me-Definers are more likely to lead spiritual lives.

The finding could lead to new strategies for treating some forms of mental illness.

"If a stable personality trait like ST can undergo fast changes as a consequence of brain lesions, it would indicate that at least some personality dimensions may be modified by influencing neural activity in specific areas," said Dr. Salvatore M. Aglioti from Sapienza University of Rome. "Perhaps novel approaches aimed at modulating neural activity might ultimately pave the way to new treatments of personality disorders."


It explains a medical condition, nothing more. I guess you have been searching for this all day. Did you get any help???

[AdamKadmon43]

Interesting article.

As long as it is measurable and properly confirms all of the evidence, then it is a valid explanation.

I think that the operative part of that is the "If it is true" part.

I get increasingly suspicious of what passes for scientific research. It often seems to me that some scientists decide what they want to believe and then construct their research to support their beliefs. Sometimes people sort of reach a conclusion and then reason backwards to get there.

But if it is true, then it we might be able to conclude that a great deal of our spiritualism just might be the unfortunate result of us have been accidently dropped on our heads when we were babies.

[Canticle]

It does make me wonder, why you should decide to churn out this piece of research, just now. Was it inspired, by the posts on another thread and is this your way of explaining to everyone, that the deeply held beliefs and views and way of life, of some people, is somehow, ''all in the head.''? Is it a way of getting back at certain people? You are very fond of telling people they are morons, so perhaps this is something similar.

In my vast experience of having known you for the past four years, I have never known you to have the slightest interest in, or understanding of medicine, or medical procedures. you usually tell me that the doctors know nothing.

I remember sending you an excellent book about epilepsy, as seen from the medical perspective and also from the perspective of a woman who had epilepsy. The medical area of the book was extremely interesting and very informative. It explained the different types of epilepsy etc and had very useful diagrams, which helped explain the text.

What surprised me was this. When I asked you, if you had read the book, you mumbled that you did not understand the medical terminology. (By the way, I did ask you to return the book to me). This surprises me, because you are probably the most intelligent person, I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. I cannot believe, that if you understand atoms and particles and other far more advanced stuff, why you are unable to understand simple medical terminology.

I am also surprised that you did not dig out the artcle you researched (unless this is the one), when you had that incredibly vivid dream, where you talked to God. Do you remember? He told you that everyone had got it wrong and you were now to be his new front man. That he would instruct you and you would learn, what others hadn't and you were then to gather people together, and await for the instruction, for you all to march on Glendale, California.

Poor Glendale!

I do believe, that at the time of this vivid dream, you were taking some medication for some ailment and it was obviously the medication, which had caused your sub-conscious, to whip up all your religious obsession and this time, get you talking to the big man, himself.

Most people would have had the dream and realised what had caused it. Not you! You had to immediately research it and send me an email. I remember getting it......vividly.

So what is the aim of this thread. To whip up more argument.

It is obvious that there are going to be certain medical conditions which cause the brain to work differently. We know this, as we know that certain drugs (medication), plus illegal and legal substances will cause the brain to work in a different manner. How could one argue with this?

What you want to do, is to try and prove that all spiritual experiences are caused by such things. How can this be so, when so many people experience have and not just seeing things etc. You cannot say that everyone has a chemical imbalance, a brain tumour, is high on drugs, or has rotted their brain with alcohol.

In saying that, I must stress, that the chemical imbalace in my brain, in no way has anything to with my spiritual beliefs or experiences, even though Dr Adam, does like to tell me that I take too much medication for my epilepsy.....How ignorant you are.

Some things cannot be explained. You will not, for the forseeable future, be able to have your scientific proof. In fact the article you posted the link to, actually denies your Pantheist Spirituality, if you want to take it that far. Continue to be a sceptic, for it doesn't matter to anyone, what any one particular individual believes, or does not believe, or it shouldn't.

You are not an atheist, so you are obviously keeping your options open.....just don't become like one of those hard line atheists, who like to insult and call people of any belief, delusional or mad. The sad thing is, I know that deep down you are an incredibly spiritual person. Your spirituality may not be the same, as that of other people, but you are spiritual.

[Canticle]

I think that the operative part of that is the "If it is true" part.

I get increasingly suspicious of what passes for scientific research. It often seems to me that some scientists decide what they want to believe and then construct their research to support their beliefs. Sometimes people sort of reach a conclusion and then reason backwards to get there.

But if it is true, then it we might be able to conclude that a great deal of our spiritualism just might be the unfortunate result of us have been accidently dropped on our heads when we were babies.

May I correct you? Well I will, anyway. I think you mean spirituality not spiritualism.

The vision I have, of 6 billion people, each being dropped upon their head, when but a babe....is an amusing one. Highly unlikely, but amusing.

[Long Duck Dong]

so I am guessing that the article is saying that people with open minds have damaged brains and people with closed minds have fully developed brains ???

self transcendence is the embraced of ways to enlighten oneself with a view to complete transformation.

so that reverses the understanding of the study....

it would then say that people with fully developed, undamaged brains, are * me * people and not able to see beyond the * me * aspect, therefore not capable of embracing the ability to change as a person, a average people would call that ego statical, arrogant.....and single

if I am * brain damaged * for having a open mind about spiritualism and self change, than thank god for brain damage..... cos I rather like my friends that are brain damaged too, cos I notice that they are more fun to be around then * me * people and not trying to tear down every body else with * knowledge * as a thin disguise for the fact that they can not get laid

[Canticle]

Thanks for posting this Adam.

So this is the reason why people who are Wiccan and Pagan and who belive in such foolish mythology have the intelligence quotient and emotional maturity of people who have Down's syndrome! ;)

Most Wiccans and Pagans are no better at being blind sheep than the Christians who they all seem to love to hate.

How rude and ignorant can you possibly get. The reason Adam began the thread was to see an argument take place. As I know him, I can tell you, he will be sat there, whisky glass in hand, laughing at what he has created.

How dare you call people, of any belief system, foolish, and say that they have the intelligence quotient and emotional maturity of people who have Down's Syndrome. Not only do you insult intelligent, thinking people, everywhere, but you also insult the many people with Down's Syndrome, who are not too badly disabled and who hold downs jobs, pass their driving tests and even marry.

So, are you trying to say that only people with no belief system...Atheists....are intelligent and emotionally mature? Well how wrong you would be. Some highly intelligent people and I can think of one on this thread...and who is not an atheist.....is about as mature as a 10 year old and has tantrums and doesn't like people 'picking on him.' If that is intelligence and emotional maturity, then that person has no right to them.

And tell me this.....How much intelligence did it take, for you to choose a nickname like ''I want to FUCK ALL NIGHT''....Not much, I would say. How intelligent, imaginative and mature.

Do you even understand what any of the pagan beliefs and spirituality are about? I somehow how doubt that you do. Maybe a little less, ''I know it all'' and a lot more, ''I'll be more accepting''....would go down well.

Certainly your remarks are not at all intelligent or mature and come across as very foolish.

If I can be accepting of all science....then surely those who believe in nothing and only in science, can be more accepting of things they can neither prove nor disprove?

Or are you one of these hard line atheists, who hero worship Richard Dawkin and tell people of belief, that they are delusional and mad?

There is a story in the new Testament, in the Gospel of St Matthew, where Jesus turns over the money making tables, outside the Temple in Jerusalem.

Take a visit to Richard Dawkin's official site. He sells tee shirts and other goods and an ''A'' foR atheist badge, which he ''invented.'' I'd say that the man is a hypocrite and no better than the money making men, outside a Temple.

''Most Wiccans and Pagans are no better at being blind sheep than the Christians who they all seem to love to hate.''

Sweeping statement.....''most''.......If a person, from any belief system, believes because they have been told or taught, to believe, then they have no true belief. A person with intelligence, questions all the time...that is why creationist Christians can be so frightening, to listen to. Christian fundamentalism is no better than Islamic fundamentalism.

You say a lot in your short post and you also say nothing at all. Get thee some knowledge...then your words might not read as quite so ridiculous.

[AdamKadmon43]

so I am guessing that the article is saying that people with open minds have damaged brains and people with closed minds have fully developed brains ???

self transcendence is the embraced of ways to enlighten oneself with a view to complete transformation.

so that reverses the understanding of the study....

it would then say that people with fully developed, undamaged brains, are * me * people and not able to see beyond the * me * aspect, therefore not capable of embracing the ability to change as a person, a average people would call that ego statical, arrogant.....and single

if I am * brain damaged * for having a open mind about spiritualism and self change, than thank god for brain damage..... cos I rather like my friends that are brain damaged too, cos I notice that they are more fun to be around then * me * people and not trying to tear down every body else with * knowledge * as a thin disguise for the fact that they can not get laid

It was really not my intent to get you into a "state" LDD..

I was just merely trying to point out the fact that there seems to be some speculation (if of somewhat dubious validity) that our thoughts and views about spirituality (pardon me.. I suppose I should have said "spiritualism") may not be altogether as simple as we may think.

And if you missed my point... I am terribly sorry.... Perhaps it is because you were accidently dropped upon your head when you were a small child.

[Canticle]

It was really not my intent to get you into a "state" LDD..

I was just merely trying to point out the fact that there seems to be some speculation (if of somewhat dubious validity) that our thoughts and views about spirituality (pardon me.. I suppose I should have said "spiritualism") may not be altogether as simple as we may think.

And if you missed my point... I am terribly sorry.... Perhaps it is because you were accidently dropped upon your head when you were a small child.

One could not fail to miss your point!

I think of all those long conversations we had about spirituality and spiritualism and the supposed interest, you showed. I guess that was just something else to laugh at and share.

[Long Duck Dong]

when I was dropped, I bounced, strangely enuf it damaged the male ego centric part badly so I am not the type of male that sets out to be a asshole

and no I am not in a state, I was pointing out the nature of self transcendance and what it means..... thats one of the advantages to being dropped on my head, I actually understand what that term refers to....

so i merely stated what your study says.... people that have a interest in self transcendence may have issues with their brains, but the study doesn't define what issues, merely that the brain has wiring issues, it doesn't conclude how the mind works....

now unlike a few males, I have a open mind, and I look at things from multiple points of view.... I was one of the unlucky males that never had a crash helmet in the form of my head up my ass, so since I have clearly been dropped on my head, I am very thankful to the person that did..... I love being me, unique, individual, and not out to wreck others lives cos I can not get laid

[Canticle]

when I was dropped, I bounced, strangely enuf it damaged the male ego centric part badly so I am not the type of male that sets out to be a asshole

and no I am not in a state, I was pointing out the nature of self transcendance and what it means..... thats one of the advantages to being dropped on my head, I actually understand what that term refers to....

so i merely stated what your study says.... people that have a interest in self transcendence may have issues with their brains, but the study doesn't define what issues, merely that the brain has wiring issues, it doesn't conclude how the mind works....

now unlike a few males, I have a open mind, and I look at things from multiple points of view.... I was one of the unlucky males that never had a crash helmet in the form of my head up my ass, so since I have clearly been dropped on my head, I am very thankful to the person that did..... I love being me, unique, individual, and not out to wreck others lives cos I can not get laid

Well LDD, I'm very glad you got dropped and that you bounced, because you are a very spiritual man and very kind and caring. I think Twyla is a very lucky lady, to have found you.

I have always found your posts most interesting, even if I haven't always agreed with your ideas. One is more likely to find the answer to peace, in this world, if people can become more spiritual, in their outlook...not religious.....spiritual. I am reminded of an elderly Sikh holy man, whom I saw on tv a long time ago. He was clothed in white and had a very white beard.

Obviously a spiritual man, his idea, when it came to all the religions and belief systems, was that they all shared the same deity, spirit....whatever and he said...'' I respect all belief and I say if you are a Sikh, God bless you, If you are a Hindu, God bless you......'' and so he went on, mentioing all the major religions of the world.

If we could all look for thw God within and know that we share that energy with every other human upon this planet...I wonder.....I wonder just what humankind could achieve.

The OP has been searching all of the OP's life. I am sad that although the OP helped my spiritual development, I could do nothing to aid the OP.

We of spirit draw people to us. It is sad that so many, want to drive others away and as you say, wreck lives and yet, at the same time, want to show a face to the world, which says ''victim.''

[onewhocares]

Thanks for posting this Adam.

So this is the reason why people who are Wiccan and Pagan and who belive in such foolish mythology have the intelligence quotient and emotional maturity of people who have Down's syndrome! ;)

What an arrogant and rude thing to say. You should be ashamed!

Belle

[Long Duck Dong]

Well LDD, I'm very glad you got dropped and that you bounced, because you are a very spiritual man and very kind and caring. I think Twyla is a very lucky lady, to have found you.

I have always found your posts most interesting, even if I haven't always agreed with your ideas. One is more likely to find the answer to peace, in this world, if people can become more spiritual, in their outlook...not religious.....spiritual. I am reminded of an elderly Sikh holy man, whom I saw on tv a long time ago. He was clothed in white and had a very white beard.

Obviously a spiritual man, his idea, when it came to all the religions and belief systems, was that they all shared the same deity, spirit....whatever and he said...'' I respect all belief and I say if you are a Sikh, God bless you, If you are a Hindu, God bless you......'' and so he went on, mentioing all the major religions of the world.

If we could all look for thw God within and know that we share that energy with every other human upon this planet...I wonder.....I wonder just what humankind could achieve.

The OP has been searching all of the OP's life. I am sad that although the OP helped my spiritual development, I could do nothing to aid the OP.

We of spirit draw people to us. It is sad that so many, want to drive others away and as you say, wreck lives and yet, at the same time, want to show a face to the world, which says ''victim.''

lol its the way I think that sets me apart.......

I tend to do away with a lot of what I call the * bs * of belief.... and go with the olde ways.... the celtic, the aboriginal, the native american indian shaman, but I do not go near the indian guru, japan shinto style of belief

the difference is the celtic, aboriginal and native american indian is that they are life beliefs,
we need to eat and drink so let us grow food and have fresh water,
we do not own pets, we share our lives with animals and learn from them, the land we can own and share, but it can never belong to us, we are part of it
and the most important, even our enemies can teach us to not hate, not turn our backs, and know that each of us is important to the wellbeing of the community as the others in the community.....

that last one has lost its meaning over the last 100-200 years.... as communities / tribes have been cities and societies, so the need to work together is no longer of importance... its only when we need the support of the community that we are thankful that others still have the * tribal * support way of thinking, the rest of the time, we look after ourselves first....

the BS of belief that I refered to, is a lot of the books, seminars and courses that teach you about living the spiritual ideas..... but only teach you what you already know, and put blocks and walls in the way of you thinking for yourself

a point is the master art of reiki healing.... originally there were 7 levels and it was to be taught and done for free, so a exchange of gifts could take place, this was the ruling of the japan master, using a simple form of healing.

but then the BS takes place..... how many levels are taught and whats the price.... and who decided to change something so simple???

that is why I stay away from the * modern * spirituality... and I only use the term * wicca * as my beliefs have no modern name, and the only other term that is closer to what I beleive, is shamanism

[darkeyes]

How rude and ignorant can you possibly get. The reason Adam began the thread was to see an argument take place. As I know him, I can tell you, he will be sat there, whisky glass in hand, laughing at what he has created.

How dare you call people, of any belief system, foolish, and say that they have the intelligence quotient and emotional maturity of people who have Down's Syndrome. Not only do you insult intelligent, thinking people, everywhere, but you also insult the many people with Down's Syndrome, who are not too badly disabled and who hold downs jobs, pass their driving tests and even marry.

So, are you trying to say that only people with no belief system...Atheists....are intelligent and emotionally mature? Well how wrong you would be. Some highly intelligent people and I can think of one on this thread...and who is not an atheist.....is about as mature as a 10 year old and has tantrums and doesn't like people 'picking on him.' If that is intelligence and emotional maturity, then that person has no right to them.

And tell me this.....How much intelligence did it take, for you to choose a nickname like ''I want to FUCK ALL NIGHT''....Not much, I would say. How intelligent, imaginative and mature.

Do you even understand what any of the pagan beliefs and spirituality are about? I somehow how doubt that you do. Maybe a little less, ''I know it all'' and a lot more, ''I'll be more accepting''....would go down well.

Certainly your remarks are not at all intelligent or mature and come across as very foolish.

If I can be accepting of all science....then surely those who believe in nothing and only in science, can be more accepting of things they can neither prove nor disprove?

Or are you one of these hard line atheists, who hero worship Richard Dawkin and tell people of belief, that they are delusional and mad?

There is a story in the new Testament, in the Gospel of St Matthew, where Jesus turns over the money making tables, outside the Temple in Jerusalem.

Take a visit to Richard Dawkin's official site. He sells tee shirts and other goods and an ''A'' foR atheist badge, which he ''invented.'' I'd say that the man is a hypocrite and no better than the money making men, outside a Temple.

''Most Wiccans and Pagans are no better at being blind sheep than the Christians who they all seem to love to hate.''

Sweeping statement.....''most''.......If a person, from any belief system, believes because they have been told or taught, to believe, then they have no true belief. A person with intelligence, questions all the time...that is why creationist Christians can be so frightening, to listen to. Christian fundamentalism is no better than Islamic fundamentalism.

You say a lot in your short post and you also say nothing at all. Get thee some knowledge...then your words might not read as quite so ridiculous.

Drivel like ImaFuckWitallathetime gives athiests an athiesm a bad name, Canticle.. not all of us are as amoebabrain like as he is. I may be quite certain in my own mind that this is my one go at things, and that when I die it will be oblivion, but to slag of other people's belief's in the way he does is both intolerant and intolerable. You are right. He says nothing whatsoever worth taking notice of. I am prepared to argue my corner when it comes to athiesm, sprituality and religion, and that involves putting my brain in gear. Something ole fuckwit has plainly not got the capacity to do. Maybe flaming people for the hell of it has burnt his brain gears out..:)

[Canticle]

'']lol its the way I think that sets me apart.......''

''I tend to do away with a lot of what I call the * bs * of belief.... and go with the olde ways.... the celtic, the aboriginal, the native american indian shaman, but I do not go near the indian guru, japan shinto style of belief''

It is not a bad thing, this feeling of being ''set apart,'' from the rest. I think that I share this with you and it was only when I found the Christian Spiritualist Church, which I ''belong,'' to, that I realised I had been a ''Spiritualist,'' all of my life. It's a way of feeling and not of doing. It is something, which can set you apart from those around you and also bring you closer to them.

I've actually been told that I have outgrown my Church and the spiritual guidance. In fact I was told many times that I simply ''knew'' and ''understood''.....do I?....that's not for me to decide. I know that my Great Grandmother was a Medium, I always have, and that she is with me, but then so are the spirits of all our ancestors, our guides and inspirers. I see that my children have some sort of gift....and it is a blessed gift.....to be able to feel that energy...but will they follow it..who knows. They, like me, are happy as they are.

I recall a very rainy day travelling along the road across Dartmoor. At the beginning of the road toward Widdecombe and probably not noticd by many, there are the remains of a small stone circle. Me, being me, insisted on stopping, so that I could stand in the middle of this circle....family remaining dry and warm in the car. I can't say that anything happened, because it didn't, and this was pre-realisation of my spiritual beliefs....but there was a certain magic to be felt....of thinking about people from long ago and how they would have used the circle...maybe like a roadside shrine.

And is my want, I have gone off at a tangent.

''the difference is the celtic, aboriginal and native american indian is that they are life beliefs,
we need to eat and drink so let us grow food and have fresh water,
we do not own pets, we share our lives with animals and learn from them, the land we can own and share, but it can never belong to us, we are part of it
and the most important, even our enemies can teach us to not hate, not turn our backs, and know that each of us is important to the wellbeing of the community as the others in the community.....''

This is so true. I try to explain my spiritual beliefs as such....seeing as I don't believe in any creator god. I believe that there is an universal ''essence,'' a life force, which is neither male nor female and yet is sentient. It flows around, within and through. It is found in the food which we eat, the water we drink, the air we breathe, the flora and fauna of the planet, the planet itself and the wider universe. It's the vital spark, which joins human to human and humankind to everything else. And yes, I believe that the life force is sentient, but I do not believe that this life force or energy, created the universe. Indeed, not. I believe it grew and became ever more complex, as the universe grew and became more complex.......and yet......all is simplicity.

We can never own a piece of earth...we are custodians of it, for the next generation. We can never own animals......they are more likely, to own us. The greatest thing is love....love of family, friends, country, planet. Just love.


''that last one has lost its meaning over the last 100-200 years.... as communities / tribes have been cities and societies, so the need to work together is no longer of importance... its only when we need the support of the community that we are thankful that others still have the * tribal * support way of thinking, the rest of the time, we look after ourselves first....''

So true about community. You have to 'live,' in a community to actually be a part of it. I live in a village, a stone's throw away from the village pond and we have a school, a post office/shop, a chapel and a Norman Church. My children all attended the village school, until High School age and therefore were part of the comunity. I have used the facilities of the Post Office, the shop, attended parent evenings at the school, known people, watched them die, attended funerals etc...and so I, too, am part of the community.

The man I am married to is not. He cannot understand what I mean, when I tell him, that to reside, is not the same as ''living,'' in the village and being part of the community. If you know no one.....you cannot be part of the community. Sadly, even in a village, we see more and more of this. A village is descibed as being ''in a good position, for commuting.'' Sad...but very true.

''the BS of belief that I refered to, is a lot of the books, seminars and courses that teach you about living the spiritual ideas..... but only teach you what you already know, and put blocks and walls in the way of you thinking for yourself

a point is the master art of reiki healing.... originally there were 7 levels and it was to be taught and done for free, so a exchange of gifts could take place, this was the ruling of the japan master, using a simple form of healing.

but then the BS takes place..... how many levels are taught and whats the price.... and who decided to change something so simple???

that is why I stay away from the * modern * spirituality... and I only use the term * wicca * as my beliefs have no modern name, and the only other term that is closer to what I beleive, is shamanism''

I totally agree.....no more to add there.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

:rolleyes: Oh here we go again. All three personas on one post. Interesting.
Cat

[Canticle]

Drivel like ImaFuckWitallathetime gives athiests an athiesm a bad name, Canticle.. not all of us are as amoebabrain like as he is. I may be quite certain in my own mind that this is my one go at things, and that when I die it will be oblivion, but to slag of other people's belief's in the way he does is both intolerant and intolerable. You are right. He says nothing whatsoever worth taking notice of. I am prepared to argue my corner when it comes to athiesm, sprituality and religion, and that involves putting my brain in gear. Something ole fuckwit has plainly not got the capacity to do. Maybe flaming people for the hell of it has burnt his brain gears out..:)

Laughs long and loud and smiles. I do like you, Fran...never change...the darkeyes show a great depth of character. Your Dad must be a very wise man.

[Canticle]

:rolleyes: Oh here we go again. All three personas on one post. Interesting.
Cat

What three personae would these be Cat? Enlighten us!

For as far as I am aware, I am an individual, female, straight, married (at the moment), the mother of two sons and a daughter and I have a grand daughter. I also live in England, I am very English and I have one of those well spoken English accents which I would call accentless.

One person, lying in bed, gammy leg, maybe in need of surgery and damned scared.

Oh.....and I happen to be somewhat spiritual!

Three separate personae? That's a joke. Get real.

[rdy2go]

Oh Man! I have to weigh in on this! I have read many posts and threads on spirituality and religion and what not written by the members of our lil group. We have heard from those who beleive in a supreme being, those who don't and those who are kind of in the middle, not sure one way or the other. We have heard from folks who subscribe to all forms of "religion" from the traditional Christians and Jews to Pagans and everything in between, as well as from the die hard "I don't beleive in nuttin' " folks And to that end there have been some interesting and varied points of veiw shared in the form. Well guys and gals, I hate to tell you all this but I know the truth, (gasp!) God does exist because.... I'm Him!......:2cents::bigrin:

[Canticle]

Oh Man! I have to weigh in on this! I have read many posts and threads on spirituality and religion and what not written by the members of our lil group. We have heard from those who beleive in a supreme being, those who don't and those who are kind of in the middle, not sure one way or the other. We have heard from folks who subscribe to all forms of "religion" from the traditional Christians and Jews to Pagans and everything in between, as well as from the die hard "I don't beleive in nuttin' " folks And to that end there have been some interesting and varied points of veiw shared in the form. Well guys and gals, I hate to tell you all this but I know the truth, (gasp!) God does exist because.... I'm Him!......:2cents::bigrin:

Heh, you know what you've got to do, don't you.........Prove it! LOL! :bigrin:

[AdamKadmon43]

Oh Man! I have to weigh in on this! I have read many posts and threads on spirituality and religion and what not written by the members of our lil group. We have heard from those who beleive in a supreme being, those who don't and those who are kind of in the middle, not sure one way or the other. We have heard from folks who subscribe to all forms of "religion" from the traditional Christians and Jews to Pagans and everything in between, as well as from the die hard "I don't beleive in nuttin' " folks And to that end there have been some interesting and varied points of veiw shared in the form. Well guys and gals, I hate to tell you all this but I know the truth, (gasp!) God does exist because.... I'm Him!......:2cents::bigrin:

NO.....you are not.....I AM.
(and if you don't believe me....just ask me) :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

[Canticle]

NO.....you are not.....I AM.
(and if you don't believe me....just ask me) :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

Headquarters in Glendale, California????? :bigrin::bigrin::bigrin::bigrin::bigrin:

Why the heck, Glendale???:rolleyes:

[rdy2go]

Heh, you know what you've got to do, don't you.........Prove it! LOL! :bigrin:

How's this for proof. Last weekend I got a message from Prez. Obama. He was asking for something to happen to take the heat off of him over health care, Iraq, etc. He asked for just a few hours peace, so he could perhaps think things through. Um, I sent a little snow to the DC area, he he. The other day he asked me to make it stop, but I didn't want to, proof enough?

Oh yeah, there is this: The women I've been with have all called me by name, they yell, "Oh God! Oh God! I'm coming!" asking for admission to my kingdom I guess. See! I'm the real deal.

[rdy2go]

NO.....you are not.....I AM.
(and if you don't believe me....just ask me) :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

I wrote once "There is no other God but me." Now you're trying to steal my thunder!!!! So I've had St. Peter black list ya, you don't get in Adam. :bigrin::bigrin::bigrin::bigrin::bowdown: < geddit?

[AdamKadmon43]

How's this for proof. Last weekend I got a message from Prez. Obama. He was asking for something to happen to take the heat off of him over health care, Iraq, etc. He asked for just a few hours peace, so he could perhaps think things through. Um, I sent a little snow to the DC area, he he. The other day he asked me to make it stop, but I didn't want to, proof enough?

Oh yeah, there is this: The women I've been with have all called me by name, they yell, "Oh God! Oh God! I'm coming!" asking for admission to my kingdom I guess. See! I'm the real deal.

Don't listen to him... He is full of s**t. I am the one that did all that and he is just trying to take credit for it.

As far as all those women are concerned, they may have been with him but they were actually thinking about ME.

[Canticle]

I wrote once "There is no other God but me." Now you're trying to steal my thunder!!!! So I've had St. Peter black list ya, you don't get in Adam. :bigrin::bigrin::bigrin::bigrin::bowdown: < geddit?

Oh don't worry about Adam, you have definitely won the God competition. Let's face it.....he hasn't taken his memory pills for a long time. I did tell him, but you know what the types are like, the ones who want to be omnipotent...they never listen. Now he's forgotten where he put his last girlfriend and I don't think he's heard of men. LOL!

:rolleyes::bigrin::bigrin::bigrin::bigrin::bigrin: :bigrin::bigrin::bigrin::bigrin:

[rdy2go]

Don't listen to him... He is full of s**t. I am the one that did all that and he is just trying to take credit for it.

As far as all those women are concerned, they may have been with him but they were actually thinking about ME.

You're disillusioned dude. Ya gotta stop trying to impersonate me, there can be only one! Perhaps I'll have to send the locusts your way, Hmmm, maybe another one of those floods might be in order! :bigrin:

[darkeyes]

Soz huns.. dus h8 2 c peeps talk outa ther arse!!.. Ther is no way God is a dimbo... bout time lesser mortals realised it.. if ther is a God.. summat me dus not accept but if ther is jus for sake of argument.. that God is no God but a Goddess.. jus who she is.. if she is.. ne 1's guess.. but she sure as hell wudn talk drivel like u pair... :bigrin:

2 b a God ya havta b able 2 multi task.. don c much sign of it wiv the pair a u.. :tong:;)

[tenni]

darkeyes
What makes you think that god has a gender? :tongue:



Soz huns.. dus h8 2 c peeps talk outa ther arse!!.. Ther is no way God is a dimbo... bout time lesser mortals realised it.. if ther is a God.. summat me dus not accept but if ther is jus for sake of argument.. that God is no God but a Goddess.. jus who she is.. if she is.. ne 1's guess.. but she sure as hell wudn talk drivel like u pair... :bigrin:

2 b a God ya havta b able 2 multi task.. don c much sign of it wiv the pair a u.. :tong:;)

[darkeyes]

darkeyes
What makes you think that god has a gender? :tongue:God dusn hav a gender far as me concerned cos ther is no God 2 hav a gender.. but if ther wos..wud havta b female cos only female Gods wud hav the capacity 2 make ne sense woteva a the universe.. wen ya pop ya clogs.. u cum bak an tell me wot an who ya find willya.. ;):tong:

[tenni]

LOL......now only a female would have the capacity to make any sense whatever in the universe..eh..???.....where is Annika to call you a ....well what would be the term for a female mysogynist...lol???? myso...malnist?...lol

na..I don't think that you are that type...just pulling your chain...
very funny Fran :bigrin:



God dusn hav a gender far as me concerned cos ther is no God 2 hav a gender.. but if ther wos..wud havta b female cos only female Gods wud hav the capacity 2 make ne sense woteva a the universe.. wen ya pop ya clogs.. u cum bak an tell me wot an who ya find willya.. ;):tong:

[darkeyes]

LOL......now only a female would have the capacity to make any sense whatever in the universe..eh..???.....where is Annika to call you a ....well what would be the term for a female mysogynist...lol???? myso...malnist?...lol

na..I don't think that you are that type...just pulling your chain...
very funny Fran :bigrin:

Mysandrist..an hav been called it b4.. am not but no matta.. like a laff like ne 1 else... spesh wen its at expense a the male a the species..;):bigrin:

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

:cool:Uhmmm Tenni. Hon. You might wanna be good to our Fran. There's alot of women on this site, Darlin, and yer out-numbered..lol:bigrin:
Cat

[rdy2go]

:devil::angel: uh oh! lol May the olympics be smitten by rain. Hows that for a taste of my awsome power!!!!!!!!!! lolololol.

[tenni]

LOL...very funny.
What is the female equivalent of a "cheeky wanker"....lol????

Cat
I'm just josh'n with darkeyes. I think that she is great.



Mysandrist..an hav been called it b4.. am not but no matta.. like a laff like ne 1 else... spesh wen its at expense a the male a the species..;):bigrin:

[darkeyes]

LOL...very funny.
What is the female equivalent of a "cheeky wanker"....lol????

Cat
I'm just josh'n with darkeyes. I think that she is great.

Cheeky tart will do... thats 'bout normal.. cos can agree wiv that... or cheeky cow.. thats me Sunday epithet.. for use on spesh occasions an particularly spectacular smart arse quips an comments only...only ;)

[TheBisexualProfessor]

As an academic with an area of expertise very close to this subject, I can tell you that the article jives well with other sources I've studied!

[black_squirrel]

The problem with science stories like this is that they make headlines when they first appear, but there's never any follow-up in the media. You're never gonna see a news story with the headline: "DUDE THOUGHT HE HAD PROVEN EINSTEIN WRONG, BUT AFTER THE PEER-REVIEW PROCESS IT TURNED OUT HE MADE AN ERROR IN HIS CALCULATIONS." Except maybe in The Onion :)

I once read an article where a scientist stated that human beings don't have free will, basically because we don't have holes in our brain that allow for indeterminacy. A few years ago here in Ireland, a group of guys announced that they had created energy from nothing, thus 'disproving' the Law of Conservation of Energy.

And THEN there's J. Michael Bailey, the 'scientist' who says that bisexual men and transgendered women don't exist.