Most men ARE bi... for Hornedupram

[wildwestgoob]

Before you get all preachy about that little tidbit....
Go watch this...
AND LISTEN...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKB7vAFTdA8

Many of you may think that is *just* a joke... it's not.

Think about it.

Well, most of us here are indeed already bi or gay, so it doesnt apply to *us*, however it DOES apply to most "so-called-straight" men.

:tongue:

[BLCHGK777]

OK that was funny and now my side hurts dude set himself up to tell the truth! :cutelaugh

[darkeyes]

.. if as science keeps tellin us we all hav feminine an masculine traits.. then by definition r we not all bisexual in sum small or not so small way??? Or is that 2 simple???:)

[fredtyg]

I've thought for some time that most folks, guys especially, are bisexual to some extent whether they admit it, or even know it. It's been said that most guys first sexual experiences are homosexual. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't continue to enjoy homosexual, as well as hetero, experiences as they got older.

I think it's just the societal mores and social pressures that make bisexuality difficult to accept. Some guys think they grow out of it, as a result of wanting or being pressured into accepting those mores.

It's just hard for me to believe that a guy wouldn't enjoy getting a blow job from another guy, assuming he wasn't worried about someone finding out and thinking he's queer. Same goes with all other sexual activity. Sure, another guy might not have big boobs, but there's lots of other fun sex things you can do.

I know at least one guy- a nephew- that swears he's completely straight, despite having at least a few homo experiences earlier in life. "Yeah, but I didn't enjoy it", he says. I have a hard time believing that as he did it more than once. He's just has so much family pressure (his family being right- wing Catholics) he wants to believe he didn't really enjoy it.

I'm not saying totally straight guys don't exist, I just wonder if they're not actually a minority?

Hopefully, as time goes on, and bi/ homosexualism becomes more accepted, more guys like him will just accept that they enjoy sex with other guys and live comfortably with it. Wouldn't it be great if you met some guy you had a sexual attraction to and could follow through with it without the apprehension and missed opportunities most of us have had?

It won't happen soon enough for me.

[Long Duck Dong]

lol I did a workshop once... ( and managed to upset a lot of people doing it ), years ago.....

it was about understanding bisexuality and bisexuals.....

I used the argument that bisexuality is a nature of attraction in men and women that can range from the platonic attraction to full blown sexual contact.... which was fine.... until I said something else

in bisexuals, they have the basic human nature of attraction that all humans have..... starting from the point of absolute hatred from a person thru to full blown passionate agape love for a person.......

inside that range, is the associate, friend, good friend, close friend, drinking buddy, work mate aspect, range of attractions.... and that is common to most people

now bisexuals are attracted to the gender range, but not unconditionally, they develop levels of attraction and connection and friendship can fill a lot of that.... and so can heterosexuals..... as there is no difference in the attraction / friendship range for genders.....

for a person NOT to have any aspect of bisexual attraction, they would have to have a severe level personality based, gender phobia / discrimination complex ( simple terms, a utter hatred of a gender )
the closest you can get to that in a normal human person, is a hardcore les / gay with hetero phobia ......

there is no difference between a bisexual and a heterosexual and a lesbian and a gay that has low level dual gender friendships, close friendships, work place comradeship etc etc..... as it all falls within the normal range of friendship attraction......

the issue is that we use the range of sexual attraction and desire to define sexuality.... and we totally ignore the fact that 99.99% of people never sleep with every person they meet in their lives.... they in fact develop friendships with many of them.......

using that as a basis, any person that develops basic friendships with both genders has already shown that they have latent low level platonic bisexual traits and attractions..... or the attraction to both genders....
something that is common, healthy and perfectly normal behievour in humans.......

the only difference between the bisexual and the rest of the sexuality spectrum of LGH ( lesbian, gay, hetero ).... is that the bisexual can develop more intense attractions that enter the spectrum of sexual connection and contact with both genders......

the other sexualities ( lesbian, gay, hetero ) are already bisexual at low level by their both gender attractions on a friendship level, but defined by their deeper level sexual attraction and connections......



there were complaints about that and how I was * enforcing false sexuality to gender comparisons using friendship as a base model, in order to falsely identify peoples sexualities *......
that argument was thrown out on the grounds that in order for me to do that, the ruling have to be made that bisexuality is a sex only state of human behievour and its not.... its a attraction to sex state of the human personality.......and therefore, we can say that any person that has friends of both genders is showing the basis of bisexual behievour, the initial platonic attraction to both genders

[tenni]

It is a funny video that does show the question and in particular for men. Society or men themselves have the line drawn very tightly but just where is that line? :)

Women have the line for bisexual/lesbian drawn much further along than men do. Women may demonstrate physical touching, hugging and kissing without being over the line of being at least bisexual.

Men are not allowed such flexibility generally. Men who touch, hug and kiss each other are generally perceived as being involved in homo acts. True, that it depends upon the culture and just how comfortable the men and people around them are as to whether they will be seen as gay.

Is looking at a big hard dick (often bigger than your own :) entering a pussy being gay because you looked more at the dick than the breasts? Is it just penis envy?..lol Is it projection and thinking ya I'm about that size too baby....lol North Americans are still uptight in some areas that ya....it is gay. I think that in other areas it is not so.

A lot of so called straight guys do look (ever so quickly) at another guy's naked body in a locker room but don't get caught looking. It might be body envy or it may be sexual but most guys notice a big(ger) dick than their own in a locker room...say nothing though unless you really know the other guy. Then just maybe a little razzing is ok...but na....better not..lol

Confidence and self assuredness about your own sexuality may be the key. Acceptance to say, "so what. I like looking at a big dick entering a pussy and if that is gay...so be it."

[fredtyg]

lol I did a workshop once... ( and managed to upset a lot of people doing it ), years ago.....

for a person NOT to have any aspect of bisexual attraction, they would have to have a severe level personality based, gender phobia / discrimination complex ( simple terms, a utter hatred of a gender )
the closest you can get to that in a normal human person, is a hardcore les / gay with hetero phobia ......


Well said, or written.

[FalconAngel]

I have to remember that argument for the next time I hear someone say something stupid and homophobic.

[goldenfinger]

I've thought for some time that most folks, guys especially, are bisexual to some extent whether they admit it, or even know it. It's been said that most guys first sexual experiences are homosexual. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't continue to enjoy homosexual, as well as hetero, experiences as they got older.

I think it's just the societal mores and social pressures that make bisexuality difficult to accept. Some guys think they grow out of it, as a result of wanting or being pressured into accepting those mores.

It's just hard for me to believe that a guy wouldn't enjoy getting a blow job from another guy, assuming he wasn't worried about someone finding out and thinking he's queer. Same goes with all other sexual activity. Sure, another guy might not have big boobs, but there's lots of other fun sex things you can do.
I know at least one guy- a nephew- that swears he's completely straight, despite having at least a few homo experiences earlier in life. "Yeah, but I didn't enjoy it", he says. I have a hard time believing that as he did it more than once. He's just has so much family pressure (his family being right- wing Catholics) he wants to believe he didn't really enjoy it.

I'm not saying totally straight guys don't exist, I just wonder if they're not actually a minority?

Hopefully, as time goes on, and bi/ homosexualism becomes more accepted, more guys like him will just accept that they enjoy sex with other guys and live comfortably with it. Wouldn't it be great if you met some guy you had a sexual attraction to and could follow through with it without the apprehension and missed opportunities most of us have had?

It won't happen soon enough for me.


That's my believe too. 25 years ago, I would had thought, no, but today I will say yes. If wanking off with friends when 13-14 years old can be considered gay, then I'm guilty of having a gay experience.
I wonder if anyone will be bold enough to come out a say that 50% of people are bi to some extend, would any news anchor read it out, putting them self in the picture.:eek:

[wildwestgoob]

That is assuming that folks are truthful with the survey takers...:rolleyes:

Right.

[tenni]

Tenni-You realize that men can compare their bodies to another man's or even to another man's penis and this does not mean that they are bisexual or that they secretly have a sexual attraction to men at all.

I have heterosexual male friends who if they even watch porn only like to see the women in porn since they are only sexually attracted to women.
IsItAllOverMyFace
Yes, I agree with your comment about bisexuality as being a sexual behaviour involving physical attraction to both men and women.

I was questioning where we as a society draw lines about whether something is a physical sexual attraction rather than whether the individual is bisexual or gay. I'm referencing the video that the thread is based on. I am questioning societal perception more so than personal physical sexual attraction. I think that guys in particular are unsure as far as what is permissible without being seen as gay. Are you gay if you look at another guy's dick?...how long is it before "others" might perceive that you are gay?

The straight guys that you know that only want to watch porn with women then are not interested in seeing penetration? Most porn does show penis penetration and ya as the comedian points out, all straight guys should not want to see dick entering a vagina. I'm not sure about that but you mention some or all of your straight friends are like that? Think of the urinal look taboo as well as the locker room.

There are a variety of love attractions that do not involve sexual physical desires. Friends may be platonic and there may be a form of familial love between them without a sexual physical attraction. Similar with family members, usually there is no sexual physical attraction but still a form of familial love.

I think with friends that it is possible that some may evolve into a physical sexual involvement but one of them probably always had some sexual desire. This can happen between male/female friendship as well as same sex friendships. I know of a few people male/female who end up marrying a good friend that they had no initial sexual attraction to. Sometimes one of them was in a relationship and the other person just shut any thoughts down..or never knew about it. It can happen between same sex as well though. Still, it is not the usual platonic scenario. Often, we admire our friends' traits, perhaps loyalty and other factors. Straight guys again have a harder time "saying to another guy..I love you man or whatever due to the fear factor of being perceived as gay. Yet, they may eventually develop some form of familial love much more likely than sexual physical love...unless one or two of you are really bisexual or gay...lol.

[Long Duck Dong]

LongDuckDong-Just because someone has a platonic friendship with someone of the same or opposite gender that does not mean that they are bisexual or somehow secretly have both same and opposite sexual desires or that they are somehow secretly bisexual.


did you read the part where I was refering to the fact that bisexuality starts with a attraction, that is friendship based...... not sex based

bisexuals are like ANY other human..... they have a range aspect of attraction and non attraction.... strange that.......

now you go from that to the next level in the chain, which is romantic attraction / sexual attraction.... THAT defines your sexuality, be it bi, gay, les, hetero, etc etc etc

now you appear to have completely missed what I was saying in my post..... in your rush to tell me I was wrong

a bisexual attraction is a attraction to both genders..... for ANY person that has friends of both sexes in a non sexual, platonic way..... that fits the guidelines for low level bisexuality......
up until the point that sexual / romantic attraction starts and defines the sexuality of the person.... there is no way to tell the difference between a gay, les, hetro or bi persons attraction and sexuality .....

unless oh course there is some study that has found that friendships are different based around sexuality..... and that gay people are only friends with gay people of the same gender, bis with bis of the same gender and heteros with heteros of the same gender....... which any person can tell you.... doesn't exist as we have friends of both genders.....

now let me spell it out...... a bi attraction on a non sexual level with both genders, is identical to a friendship with ANY other sexuality.... there is NO difference......
so there is no way to disprove what I posted which was * we all can be / are bisexual on a non sexual / platonic / friendship level.... and cos there is NO sexual attraction there.... its perfectly feastible....

remember, I said non sexual, platonic, no sex attraction, nothing to do with sex, no sex arousal etc etc etc IsItAllOverMyFace? so the next time you tell me that I am wrong.... make sure you are correct in what you are saying I said, before you tell me I am wrong please

[Long Duck Dong]

I did read your post. It still does not make any sense.

I'm saying that platonic friendship just being friends with someone, no matter what their gender is does not make someone bisexual or what you call a low level bisexual or it doesn't mean that they have secret bisexual desires/tendencies that they are not acting on.

Sorry I don't buy your theory at all. Most people are not bisexual even if many of us bisexuals wish this were true or secretly want it to be true.

I know gay men who have lots of female fag hags as friends but they are not bisexual men, are not as you would call them low level bisexuals, and do not have any sexual attraction to them at all or any woman at all.

There are heterosexual men and women who can have a best friend that is the same gender and have a platonic relationship with them but even this does not mean that they are somehow sexually attracted to them or low level bisexuals like you would consider them.

Just because someone can potentially become friends with people of both genders this does not mean that they are bisexual, have the potential to be bisexual, or somehow make them a "low level" bisexual at all.

I'm not flaming you but while you are celibate and are more apt to have platonic friendships/platonic relationships with people where there's no sexual attraction or that maybe there is some sexual attraction that you yourself do not want to act on, you should not project this onto all people or even other people.

There are heterosexual men who swear up and down how it's impossible for a heterosexual/bisexual man or even for them as a heterosexual man to be just friends in a platonic friendship with a woman.

Someone's sexual orientation is mainly based on who they are sexually and romantically attracted to as simple as it sounds and not everyone sees their sexuality or someone else's sexuality as being based on who they are only platonic friends with.

Here's how most people see sexuality:

Heterosexuals/straights=only sexually/romantically attracted to the opposite gender.

Bisexuals=Sexually attracted to both genders in a # of possibilities, do not have to be romantically attracted equally.

Lesbians/homosexuals=only sexually and romantically attracted to the same gender.


can you prove it.... that platonic low level friendships that are not sexual in nature, is not bisexual natured low level friendship.....

btw the reason its confusing you, is you are thinking bisexual=sexual.....

the term I am using is bisexual=attraction to both genders..... two totally different aspects of bisexuality

you can be bisexual with friends, in that you are attracted to friends of both genders, and then sexually romantic gay / les / bi / hetero with your deeper level desires and feelings.....

I look at it from the ground up, which is you meet two strangers, one male, one female.... you become friends with them both, thats bisexual friendship or friends with both genders, you get closer to one of them.... thats a close friendship..... but with the other, you develop romantic / sexual attraction.... thats sexuality.....

now if you look at it from the standard bisexual term understanding..... you just have friends of both genders.... but nothing to explain why you are attracted to friends of both genders, rather than just friends of one gender.... then as time goes by, you develop sexual attractions desires to both genders so A HA.. that must be the bisexuality aspect cos it involves sex.....

so now explain to me why in that scenario... bisexuality as a aspect of human nature can only kick in when you wanna fuck somebody and not run the full spectrum from no desire, to mild desire, some desire, a lot of desire and omg I wanna fuck their brains out..... when bisexuals are the first to admit that they have platonic friends, close friends, very close friends, fuck buddies, partners right up to wives / husbands / soulmates

unless once again, you want to confine bisexual to the act of fucking... and that comes right back to what I say which is that bisexual doesn't exist until there is sex involved..... and many bisexuals will argue that immediately....

[Long Duck Dong]

What about sexual fantasies or erotic dreams that would involve that platonic friend or someone who you lust after but they are not attracted to you?

Or what about sexual attraction to people who are not your friends and who are total strangers?

Or what about romantic desire for just one gender if you are gay/heterosexual or maybe both genders if you are bisexual like us?

None of those are actually sex/fucking.

There's more to someone's sexuality than who they become platonic friends with and you can't say that someone is bisexual just because they happen to be friends with people of both genders but their sexuality and who they are sexually and romantically attracted to says differently that they are not bisexual.

FWIW I do know gay men who want nothing to do with women socially or platonically as friends and they do not hate women but they just simply prefer the company of men.

Even in the late 70s in the U.S. back when lesbian politics were a flash in the pan there were lesbians who only wanted to be around other lesbians and hated heterosexuals both men and women, and bisexual women.

I'm sure there are still some lesbians like this around today too who think that people actually still care about the plight of dykes and lesbian politics which are really just issues that effect everyone that is human and not just lesbian women.

what part of non sexual attraction / desire / sexual connection do you miss...... you are still trying to make it sexual to support the fact you are not understanding that I am saying NON SEXUAL.....

NON sexual.... to not be about sex, not involve sex, not have sexual aspects or essence, not have sexual overtones, no sexual expression or enuendoes..... etc etc


NOTHING TO DO WITH SEX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you misread that last sentence, you are beyond any chance of help...

[Long Duck Dong]

again you are adding the sexuality into it..... I am not...... and you are missing that point

try this.... you grow up..... you have friends.... you are not fucking them, desiring them, fantasizing about them etc etc etc... they are just friends and you have NOT defined your sexuality AT ALL.... and there is NO indications of your sexuality to you either......

for all intents and purposes, you do not know that sex exists.....

sighs....... and I am talking to a adult..... sighs.....

now... you have friends of both genders...... friends and close friends..... WITH ABSOLUTELY NO SEXUAL ASPECT AT ALL......

now if you take the attraction aspect of bisexuality, meaning a attraction to both genders.... and apply that to the level on what you are attracted to your friends.... as friend or close friends..... ... there is no way to disprove that its not bisexual low level non sexual attraction to both genders.... or something that mirrors it exactly to the point that there is no definable difference between a non bisexual attraction and a bisexual attraction

now bisexuality is a personality based attraction aspect of people..... its the attraction to people that defines who you can fuck or fall in love with...

and other sexualities ( as sexual attractions ) define who you will fuck
the non sexual attraction, will define who you will fall in love with / develop a connection to that can be stronger than a close friend and go all the way to a soulmate attraction.......

[tenni]

LDD
Did you actually watch the video? I find your points are difficult to connect to the video. Is this a personal theory of yours or are there studies to back up your claims?

"NOTHING TO DO WITH SEX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!" "the term I am using is bisexual=attraction to both genders..... two totally different aspects of bisexuality"

The above statements are where your wheels fall off your wagon. That is not supported by studies or definitions of bisexuality by credible sources that I've read. It must be a sexually physical attraction in order for it to be connected to sexuality at all. Bisexuals are physically sexually attracted to both genders...they want to fuck both..not be platonic..lol. Emotions may play a role but a bisexual still wants to fuck physically both genders.

I believe that the point of this thread is about "straight" guys perceptions and fears about being seen as sexually attracted to men. Bisexual men may struggle with this at some point as well. It isn't as broad as LDD wants to take it..let alone a non standard definition about bisexuality?..is it?

[wildwestgoob]

Even still gay and bisexual men make up a very small percentage of the population. Maybe 10% at the very most.

ROTFL
*WHERE* do you get these "numbers" ??? LOL
(pats little CSH on his precious wittle hay-ud)

Keep livin the dream man !

They say ignorance is bliss.... Ahhh... the bliss.....

:cutelaugh

[wildwestgoob]

Just had to post this from another thread...

I suppose ignorance is bliss after all..

You have either very limited research and reading on the topic or are specifically being misleading. Basically, you are wrong in your claims of the Kinsey Reports and follow-on work by Klein and many others. You make the claims and you fail to quote any supporting references.

So, here are just a few specifics... remembering that the Kinsey Reports are 100's of pages EACH... oh, yes, there are two not one.... so "IT" is also an interesting word in your post.

The basic rule for therapists and support group protocols is not to give advise on what decision a person should make but to share experiences, refer to and quote reference materials by professionals in the field of human sexuality. Every time someone does it in these threads, there is a virtual war like fighting over who's religion or God(s) is the true God.

CW obviously has different goals and issues than you might have in her situation. Considering your handle, hornedUpRam, one might conclude your advise as less than representative of a loving relationship that CW has in her heart for her spouse.

So, you have "it" (Kinsey Reports), Well.. shocker, for starters, there is more than one Kinsey report. The one most often quoted is the male (initial) report in 1947 titled "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male" . There is a second called "Sexual Behavior in the Human Female" (1953). These reports are very clinical and can not be boiled down to such simplistic terms and but, you'd still be way off base.

For a more comprehensive discussion on Human Sexuality, the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid (KSOG) detailed in "The Bisexual Option" Klein 2nd edition, 1993. Basically, according to Klein, human sexuality is significantly more complex than Kinsey mapped out and that's not taking into consideration gender identity. But even Kinsey goes into significant detail on that point in 1947.

Often we hear the term 10% of the population is gay (not str8). The reality is that the 10% represents those who identify in the 5 and 6 range of the Kinsey Scale (0-6). The 0 = str8, 6=gay. Most of the population in the study fall into the 1-5 range and certainly in the 1-6 range and it is a pretty smooth bell curve. And, many of the 6's just as many of the 0's might actually classify themselves otherwise if they had some form of experience or situation to allow them to open themselves to the possibilities.

According to Kinsey, 46% of the male population had the ability to eroticism both genders (only one dimension of bisexuality)... without consideration to carry this capability into actual practice (when it dropped, in Kinsey reports - male) to 33%.


But what defines sexual orientation? Desire/Capacity or ACTION? One can identify as a 0 (or a 6 or a 3, etc) and consider him/herself str8 and never have sex ... ever. But again, the reports and books go into detail on all the issues. Certainly, this short post isn't going to due justice to the work of Kinsey and Klein and many, many others that have many more letters behind their name than most of us in this forum.

And, the reports were done in the 1948/1953 time frame. Society had different ideas and norms (but desires were there - but again, stifled by society & religion norms. Those are far different than 2010 would show when same-sex characters/stories, etc. are in the media.

More SPECIFICS on the Kinsey Reports (Male) with references:

"The reports also state that nearly 46% of the male subjects had "reacted" sexually to persons of both sexes in the course of their adult lives, and 37% had at least one homosexual experience.[5] 11.6% of white males (ages 20–35) were given a rating of 3 (about equal heterosexual and homosexual experience/response) throughout their adult lives.[6] The study also reported that 10% of American males surveyed were "more or less exclusively homosexual for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 55" (in the 5 to 6 range).[7]"
# 5 Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, p. 656
# 6 Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, Table 147, p. 651
# 7 Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, p. 651
# 8 Sexual Behavior in the Human Female, Table 142, p. 499
# 9 Sexual Behavior in the Human Female, p. 488
# 10 Sexual Behavior in the Human Female, Table 142, p. 499, and p. 474

:shades:
SO.... what he is saying, if I get this right, is AS MUCH AS 50% of males "could" be considered bisexual in some way or another, wether they have actual sex with another man or just think about it....

MUCH MORE than 10% especially considering those studies were done in the 40's and 50's when "bisexual" wasnt really even a common term.

Imagine if Kinsey was around to do that study TODAY... oh lordy.
:rolleyes:

[tenni]

"Actually yes the term bisexual was known about in the 1940s even if it was not a household term.
I'm not living any dream. Just look around you, most men and people are heterosexual.
Of course I'm not a repressed closet case that will never come out like you who foolishly thinks that most men are bisexual. "


Cum
Thanks for the information. I've copied the references down. It seems more examination may be needed. If the term "bisexual" was not a household word in the 40's how would any average man know about the word even if he was bisexual? I don't think that the term "bisexual" or meaning was very publicly known even in the 80s in my culture and community. You were straight or gay...no in betweens.

I agree that most men in public would be believed to be heterosexual...if anyone really cared. I'm wondering if you are bisexual as you are declaring yourself in negatives as not being a closet even repressed man? To use such language (repressed closet case) on a bisexual site is not the most civil means of communicating (not that I am anywhere near innocent myself) Are you offended by bisexuals who do not publicly present themselves as bisexual? If so, that may be a different thread?

When you refer to the US census, you comment about gays and lesbians but was there no data about bisexuals? Similarly with the Laumann and Associates study was there any identifying of bisexuals or were they placed in with the gay & lesbians? I notice that you refer to Laumann and Associates referring to homosexual desires. Would the average bisexual man who is not inclined to be public write that he has homosexual desires? That might have been an interesting result but hard to collect. Perhaps the language was not set up to deal with the bisexual population? just a thought.

[wildwestgoob]

Actually yes the term bisexual was known about in the 1940s even if it was not a household term.

I'm not living any dream. Just look around you, most men and people are heterosexual.

Of course I'm not a repressed closet case that will never come out like you who foolishly thinks that most men are bisexual. :rolleyes:

Ok, stop putting words into my mouth and YOUR head.
I *SAID* : "..."bisexual" wasn't really even a common term.
I never said it was AN UNKNOWN TERM... goober, READ.

I *do* look around me, and just because a guy LOOKS str8 doesn't mean he *is* str8. Holy crap... this world you live in, do the 10% who are OBVIOUSLY *gay* wear funny little hats, or have rainbows tattooed on their foreheads?
Does walking or talking with a swish automatically make you a gay man? (or bisexual for that matter)

I did not say MOST men... "MOST" would require more than 50%
I think more along the lines of 40 to 50 %... but yes, less than half to be sure.

For the record, unless and until EVERY male over 18 in the land is questioned accurately, and verifiable answers are given, there is NO WAY you can prove that it is ONLY 10% and there is NO WAY *I* can prove it is closer to 50%....

SO DROP IT ...jeeze I think ONE of us needs a frickin drink !

You guys are turning this thread (which was started with a JOKE for cripes sake) into a frickin HOLY WAR !

My real pity is for the demented individuals who have nothing better to do than sit in their underwear and "debate" 60 year old demographics, and surveys/studies conducted from minuscule random samplings.

Truly amazing.
:rolleyes:

[Long Duck Dong]

LDD
Did you actually watch the video? I find your points are difficult to connect to the video. Is this a personal theory of yours or are there studies to back up your claims?

"NOTHING TO DO WITH SEX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!" "the term I am using is bisexual=attraction to both genders..... two totally different aspects of bisexuality"

The above statements are where your wheels fall off your wagon. That is not supported by studies or definitions of bisexuality by credible sources that I've read. It must be a sexually physical attraction in order for it to be connected to sexuality at all. Bisexuals are physically sexually attracted to both genders...they want to fuck both..not be platonic..lol. Emotions may play a role but a bisexual still wants to fuck physically both genders.

I believe that the point of this thread is about "straight" guys perceptions and fears about being seen as sexually attracted to men. Bisexual men may struggle with this at some point as well. It isn't as broad as LDD wants to take it..let alone a non standard definition about bisexuality?..is it?

thank you for proving all the nay sayers right, when they say that bisexuality doesn't exist beyond a cock / pussy fetish......

thank you for saying that bisexuality doesn't exist as a sexuality...

thank you for saying that all bisexuals are liars and self deluded....

and thank you for proving that your brain is not capable of understanding a aspect of bisexuality that defines who bisexuals are, actually exists.... cos its what defines us

now that I have thanked you tenni, for your lack of intelligence.....tell me something

what is the attraction that draws us to some people and not others.....
what is the thing that defines the fact that we desire some people and not others
what is the thing that is the difference between what people we are drawn to and the people we are not
and what is the thing that is the dividing line and the reason why we are not fucking every single people we know

its one word...tenni....just one....

A T T R A C T I O N ....

one word.... that defines the level of desire that a person can experience around people..... that defines WHO we would fuck and who we would not wish to fuck if our lives depended on it.....

at what point does that attraction become a bisexual attraction.... and not a gay attraction, a les attraction, a hetero attraction.....
the answer is when it is a attraction to both genders......

now at what point does it stop being a platonic / friendship attraction and a bisexual attraction.....????? it doesn't......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

a bisexual attraction is a attraction to both genders... it doesn't have to be a sexual attraction..... unless you want to argue that bisexuality only exists at the point of sexual desire....and fucking and at no other point.....
and that is exactly what the nay sayers are saying and you are supporting them

but if you apply this theory.....

take two genders

strangers
friends
close friends
very close friends

that 4 groups are people of both genders, you are attracted to them in a non sexual ( platonic way )... you can be any sexuality, and be drawn to them as friends....
NOW there is no defining difference between a bisexual friendship with the people and a non bisexual friendship with the people as there is NOT sexual attraction to them, merely friendship..... so how can you argue that it can not be a non bisexual friendship base..... the simple answer is you can not...... but you are telling me that you can... and that I must be wrong cos its not sexual.....and bisexuals are only about sexual attraction


now the following are sexual natured.... and by the gender.... the sexuality of the person is defined..... be it hetero, bi, gay or les......
fuck buddies
lovers
partners
close partners
marriage partners
soulmates

now maybe, just maybe tenni.... you can understand this......

attraction has to start some where......it can not just start at the point of wanting to fuck somebody...... otherwise, how can you be attracted to some people as friends and not others......

therefore any sexuality needs to start at the base line which is stranger level..... with a attraction.... and then go thru the levels until the sexuality desire and attraction is defined....

therefore bisexual friendship attraction is there in every person in the first 4 groups..... the attraction to both genders as friendships.......

if you wanna argue that is wrong... you are saying in simple terms, that there can not be any attraction in the first 4 groups and that all the friendships in the world are false and fake illusions.....

what i find hilarious is that most of the worlds therapists and counsellors will tell you that what I am saying is correct.......

non sexual bisexual attraction on a friendship level is what I have described... and that yes... it is clear as the face on your face... but impossible to prove, as we base bisexual attraction as starting at the sexual level.... and that would imply that bisexuals can not be friends with people and thats utter bs

[rissababynta]

Twyla's a lucky gal.

[Long Duck Dong]

Long Duck Dong you are forgetting that not everyone is or decides to be as celibate as a monk like you are.

It's a normal, natural, and very human to want sex, have sexual attractions, sexual desires, and actually go out and have sex.

You're ignoring the fact that just because someone is a platonic friend with someone that does not mean that they are attracted to this person at all or even would want to have sex with them at all, or that some of us do see complete strangers and friends and actually do want to have sex with them which I'm sure you'd say is somehow a bad thing since it's not a platonic friendship. :rolleyes:

Perhaps you have decided that celibacy is the correct choice for you and that platonic friendships somehow actually show that someone or most people are somehow bisexual but that does not make any of it true just because you want it to be or want platonic friendships to somehow show that most people are low level bisexuals or are secretly bisexuals.

Tenni is not arguing that bisexual people can't become friends or platonic friends with other people. He's saying that the basis for someone's sexual orientation itself is sexual attraction and who they are/are not sexually attracted to which is correct. Tenni is not saying that bisexuality does not exist as a sexual orientation or that bisexual people are somehow deluded, well maybe some of them are. ;)

If you want to get on your high horse and flame people for wanting sex or having sexual attraction as humans that's fine but keep in mind that not everyone is a stick in the mud or a prude sexually like you seem to be.

can you read......???? and use your brain at the same time.... cos I am doubting it

tell me something..... do you have friends that are just friends.... not fantasy objects... not objects of arousal etc.... but just friends ???
or did you sexually desire every friend you have ever had.....

cos that is what you and tenni are saying..... that you can not have friends and be bisexual..... you are saying that you can not be bisexual and have friends.... you can only be no sexuality and have friends.....

what you seem to be missing is what I am saying

your sexuality is not just who you fuck......

your sexuality is who you are attracted to..... and that the attraction starts at a basic level.... the attraction doesn't suddenly kick in at a certain level when the person matchs a set number of criteria......

just cos I am bi and attracted to both genders.... doesn't mean that I am equally attracted to everybody on the same level.......

I am attracted to some people as friends, some as close friends, some as potential sexual partners, some as partners in a relationship....
my bisexuality doesn't suddenly only start being a part of me when it comes to the sex part...... I am not a bisexual with a on / off switch....

my sex drive has a on / off switch.... but not my bisexual attraction or my bisexuality.....

when I was 5 and at school meeting all the other kids for the first time, I was not looking at them as future sex partners....
but I was looking at them all equally as friends material.... some I was drawn to more than others.... as friends... as that was the range of my understanding....

when I was 16... I was no different... I was drawn to both genders as friends material.... some I developed a stronger attraction to.... that is the sexual aspect of a bisexual....the sexual attraction.....
but I did not want to sleep with everybody i met...... only some of them....

when I was 25, same thing....

when I was 35 same thing.....

now think about it.... I had friends of both genders..... I was attracted in a non sexual sense to both genders....
part of bisexuality is a non sexual attraction to both genders..... I actually know people that I am drawn to on a friend ship level that I have no reason, desire or wish to sleep with.... they are friends

that is low level bisexual friendship attraction.... or the attraction to both genders on a platonic level

I am NOT saying that every person is bisexual...... I am saying that every person that is attracted to friendships of both genders has the identical same traits as a bisexual that is not sexually attracted to some people, but attracted to them as friends only....

that is the part that you and tenni can not get thru your heads.....

you are measuring bisexuals in a sexual sense only...... I am not.... I never was.....

I am saying that you are bisexual as a person.... and you have sexual desires with both genders..... but that you are capable like the rest of the human race, of having non sexual friendships and friends

I am saying that a gay, les and hetero person is also capable of having the same non sexual friendships and friendships....

up until the point that the sexual desires and attractions kick in..... there is NO difference between a bisexual and a non bisexual with non sexual attraction to people....

we are the same people / humans.... and below a certain point we all share the same type of friendship attraction..... which is a attraction to both genders as friendships...... and that can be argued successfully and is supported by a large number of therapists and counsellors..... as non sexual bisexual attraction

or the non sexual / platonic attraction to both genders.....

what makes bisexuality definable... is when you add the sexual aspect to the attraction

where you and tenni are really fucking up.... is you are viewing 5 year olds on the same level as 35 year olds.... and they are clearly different in their understanding......

a 35 year old is defining things on the level of attractions using sexual understanding and non sexual understanding....
a 5 year old is defining things on the level of attractions using non sexual understanding.... as they have NO comprehension of sexual desire.....

so they are restricted to the first 4 groups I showed in my last post

strangers
friends
close friends
very close friends

now if the level of attraction is strictly across the board like you and tenni are trying to argue

then a les will have not any male friends
then a gay will not have any female friends
then a hetero will not have any same sex friends
and a bi is the only person that will have friends of both genders....

strangly enuf a bi person is the only one of that group that does have friends of both genders.....

so your argument that bisexuals are sexually driven people... and that defines their friendship level attractions.... can not work.... unless the gay / les and hetero people only have friendships according to their sexual attraction.... which is not true

therefore.... it is possible that every person in the world develops low level frienships of a bisexual nature... which is the attraction to both genders on a non sexual level....... and it doesn't make them bisexual .... which is what I am saying and what you and tenni are arguing......


I have stated that your sexuality is defined by the people you are sexually attracted to..... both you and tenni have argued that yes thats true... but I am wrong in saying it......
but then you both argue that a bisexual can not develop a attraction that starts as friends and develops thru the levels into a full blown love affair....

thats bs, unless you want to say that a bisexuals ability to feel attraction to a person can only exist if its sexual attraction....... and that developing non sexual attractions to people as friends only, is not possible.....

if that is the case, why do bisexuals have friends that they are not fucking.....

unless of course..... bisexuals are capable of developing levels of attraction that start from the ground up.....and that not all of them become sexual attractions or sexual contact.....

in which case, every people that develops a non sexual attraction to people, are showing the base level of bisexual non sexual attraction.. BUT as I have said.... it DOESN"T make them bisexual...... the only two people that are saying that is you and tenni.... and you are telling me I am wrong cos you are saying something that I am not saying.....

I never said that everybody is bisexual .... I said that everybody is capable of low level non sexual attraction to both genders as friends only......
that is the identical same thing as bisexual low level friends only attractions..... the are one and the same thing......
it DOESN'T make people bisexual as sexual beings tho.....

the sexual aspect is not found in the first 4 groups.... only in the next lot of levels

fuck buddies
lovers
partners
close partners
marriage partners
soulmates

cos if you add sexual attraction to the first four.... you change the nature of the attraction and therefore you change the group from a platonic nature to a sexual nature.... IE fuck buddies....

strangers
friends
close friends
very close friends



now please once again, display your inability to understand that and tell me I am wrong...... cos its human nature that is showing me to be correct....

and once again, I am not saying that everybody is bisexual.... just that they show the same identical nature of low level bisexual non sexual attraction to both genders in the nature of friendship....as a bisexual person with non sexual low level attraction friendships......

[tenni]

So, I take it that there are no studies or journals that agree with you or your definition of bisexuality? It is your own personal perspective on how you would like to perceive most men and bisexuality. In order for us to understand your thoughts better as to what is fact and what is opinion, it might help if you used such openings as the following introductions.

In my opinion...
I prefer to live...
For me....... etc.


The questions that you asked me are off topic in my opinion. I will not respond as it detracts from the topic about most men and bisexuality.

[tenni]

"can you read......???? and use your brain at the same time.... cos I am doubting it"

LDD
Come on man. IsItAllOverMyFace? writes clearly and succinctly. His written communications skills are very good. I suspect that he also has good reading skills because he was able to comprehend your text.

Sorry, but you seem rather frustrated that we are not agreeing with your perspective. If your peers or those in that workshop rejected your thesis, why do you think that we would accept it? Your thesis needs more work and facts to back it up.

[Long Duck Dong]

So, I take it that there are no studies or journals that agree with you or your definition of bisexuality? It is your own personal perspective on how you would like to perceive most men and bisexuality. In order for us to understand your thoughts better as to what is fact and what is opinion, it might help you used the such following introductions.

In my opinion...
I prefer to live...
For me....... etc.


The questions that you asked me are off topic in my opinion. I will not respond as it detracts from the topic about most men and bisexuality.

its called bisexual.com....... that site you belong to......

read the forums and the bisexuals that talk about having friends...... the bisexuals that talk about their levels of attraction...... they are offering a unbiased opinion of themselves
a personal viewpoint that is not just numbers or stats in a blog or website.....

that is the truth tenni.... the people you talk to.... and their responses about their feelings and understanding..... not numbers and fiqures in a graphic..... that for all you know.... are not factual.... but you are happy to quote them

how you noticed that a lot of the responses in bisexual.com do not match the studies that you read and quote......????

could it be that the data you quote is watered down or presented in a way to support the point of view of the researchers ?????

could it be that they are removing the personal input that reveals that bisexuals are living breathing people with feelings and emotions that can not be measured in a %

could it just be..... just maybe.... that you are so busy trying to enforce your view point.... and one that appears to be pro male exclusive.... that you are actually locking out and ignoring the other aspects of human nature and sexuality that give a much bigger picture of sexuality and human relations???

you tell me.... since you do not like the idea that personal opinions and feedback is something people are sharing.... and that its not in % and numbers

[Long Duck Dong]

"can you read......???? and use your brain at the same time.... cos I am doubting it"

LDD
Come on man. IsItAllOverMyFace? writes clearly and succinctly. His written communications skills are very good. I suspect that he also has good reading skills because he was able to comprehend your text.

Sorry, but you seem rather frustrated that we are not agreeing with your perspective. If your peers or those in that workshop rejected your thesis, why do you think that we would accept it? Your thesis needs more work and facts to back it up.

they argued it..... disected it, disputed it.... and then stated that yes, its simple basic human relations.... and undisputable without twisted facts and statements and excluding a number of key factors......

the key point, is that I never called everybody bisexual or said that everybody was bisexual..... the counsellors and therapists argued along those lines too...... and that was the issue... they were arguing something I never said.....

my statement was simple.... that below a certain point and ecluding sexuality as a defining factor...... all friendships of both genders...mirror exactly...the bisexual non sexual attraction to people as friendships

their conclusion was yes, its correct, and that it is impossible to disprove that without adding in sexual attraction as a defining factor.... and you can not add sexual attraction to a non sexual scenerio without changing the whole scenerio.....

yet you and faceache have argued it by adding the sexual attraction aspect and telling me I am wrong when you both * corrupted * the statement which altered the statement to become something I never said.....

[tenni]

So, did others think that the video was funny? Is there a bit of truth to what is in the video about straight guys and porn?

Does it apply to most "so-called-straight" men.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Why dont you boys take it outside...? but my money's on the Duck...lol
Silly Cat.

[Long Duck Dong]

LongDuck, of course I can read.

Does that mean that your theory makes any sense, is easy to read, or even to understand?

No.

It's rather rambling, injected with too much of your personal opinion, does not use actual facts, and uses circular logic and the entire theory does not even make sense at times.

Just because you yourself are a low level bisexual who has a very low sex drive this does not mean that other bisexuals or even other men will be this way.

Or that other bisexuals will say, "Well I'm bisexual not because I'm sexually or romantically attracted to both men and women but because I can become platonic friends with both men and women like everyone can!"

No I don't want to suck all of my friends or any of the other nonsense that you wrote.

There is just more to being bisexual or any sexual orientation than who you can become platonic friends with in a non-sexual relationship.

where did I say my sex drive had anything to do with it......

if I have a high sex drive, or no sex drive.... the outcome is the same.....

now this statement, I love

"There is just more to being bisexual or any sexual orientation than who you can become platonic friends with in a non-sexual relationship"

that is where you are getting it wrong...... but if you reverse it


you can be platonic friends in a non-sexual relationship cos There is just more to being bisexual or any sexual orientation than sex...

that is the basis of attraction........ now if you add sexual attraction and sexual desire to the mix, it changes the nature of the friendship....
but it is the sexuality of the person that defines the next level .....

if you had no sex drive.... all your friendships will be platonic / non sexual
one of the first four groups.....

therefore, it is a simple attraction to both genders ......

a simple attraction to both genders is the start of bisexual attraction as bisexuals are attracted to both genders

now tell me, since I am so wrong...... how it is not possible for that simple attraction to both genders as friends and non sexual.... to be identical to the bisexual attraction to both genders if there is absolutely no sex desire or attraction

the simple answer is its possible..... its impossible to disprove it.... as there is no sexual content to define between the bisexual and the non bisexual, unless you add sexual desire or attraction......

in order to add that, you have to then say that you have no friends that you are not sexually attracted to..... which you will answer, that is not true....

which brings it back to my statement....

* in the first four groups, there is no difference between bisexual attraction to both genders in a sexual exclusive aspect.... and a attraction to both genders in a purely non sexual aspect, as friends....*

now remember I am not saying that it makes everybody bisexual... like you both tend to think I am saying

I am saying something like

* you take 100 x 5 year olds... put them in a room... they will make friends with both genders.... *

the basis of bisexuality is a attraction to both genders that does not have to be sexually, and starts with a base level attraction

now the 5 year olds are non sexual.....so how do you disprove or prove the sexual nature of them and their attraction ???

you can't .. its that simple..... all you can see is the friendship attraction to both genders..... which is the basis for the beginning of the scale of bisexual attraction or the attraction to both genders.....

but you are telling me I am wrong cos of the sexual desire aspect..... now using the 100 five year olds..... prove me wrong please......

[Long Duck Dong]

It's called having gaydar and mine is flawless. Giggles wrote about having it and it does exist.

BTW, repressed closet cases who cheat on their wives like you are by far the easiest to tell that you're not heterosexual even if you claim that you do not act stereotypically gay or lie to your wife and say that you really are a heterosexual man.

You and others here did say that most men are somehow bisexual and this is not true.

I'm not the one who originally posted about how most men are somehow bisexual or have same sex attractions in this thread so don't blame me for people who do not understand human sexuality, population demographics, the Kinsey scale/study and other sexual research done over the years that shows their opinions to be wrong.

Then you have people like LongDuckDong who want to take the sexual out of bisexual and he doesn't realize the basics of human sexuality to begin with.

actually, butt head, i am trying to show the range of sexuality and how broad it is..... from the faintest of attractions to full blown love.....

but its people like in this thread, that are terrified that there may be more to us than cocks in asses.... or is it heads up them

[Long Duck Dong]

Why didn't you state that to begin with? Plato wrote about the various types of love from Agape to Eros. I would not consider a platonic friendship to be romantic love but more love for someone as a friend if it gets that far.

Your writing is rather confusing to read and you could have just said what you did now about the faintest attraction to full blown love instead of going on and on about how someone who is friends with both men and women is somehow in your opinion having a bisexual platonic relationship or whatever you called it or claimed that they have a hint of bisexuality based on only platonic friendships.

You have some good ideas but it does get hard to read them or find them in your posts.

if I has said that.... what I am saying would have not been said...... its not a case of what I am saying is hard to understand.... its that people can not relate to it say they are stuck on the idea that bisexual people are sexual people..... and therefore the attraction to people can not be a nonsexual attraction that exists on a subtle level

I will lay it out in simple terms.....again....

take 100 x 5 year olds..... put them in a room together.... and they will make friends with both genders

strangers
friends
close friends
very close friends

now 5 year olds are not sexual..... therefore its all platonic friendships with their friends of both genders......

now take 100 x 35 year olds.... put them in a room together and they will make friends with both genders

strangers
friends
close friends
very close friends

now 35 year olds ARE sexual therefore it can be platonic friendships with their friends of both genders...and that can develop beyond a friendship to a sexual attraction......

we use the sexual aspect to define the sexuality of the person
now bisexuals are attracted to both genders, gay, les and hetero are attracted to one gender over the other......

now lets merge the two groups, the 5 year olds and the 35 year olds and set the sexual aspect at the level of the 5 year olds..... so there is no sexual aspect at all

you have 100 x 35 year olds... that develop friends of both genders....
now can you disprove that the attraction to both genders as friends... is NOT identical to the bisexual attraction to both genders......

the answer is no you can not.... unless you re add the sexual aspect that you will find in the 35 year olds, and not the 5 year olds.....
but the platonic friendship aspect is the same in both groups......there is no change......

so until you add sexual attraction to the mix.... you could have no bisexuals in the group or 100 bisexuals in the group.... you can not tell which is bisexual and who is not.....

now bisexuals are not always sexually attracted to everybody of both gender, they can be emotionally attracted to to one or both genders....

but we use the ruling of sexual attraction to define bisexuals....and ignore the emotional attraction that is also part of bisexuality....

so any study we read about the % of bisexuals in the population... is based around the number of people that IDENTIFY as SEXUAL bisexuals..... not sexual and / or emotional bisexuals.....

now lets review the same groups, using the emotional aspect....

take 100 x 5 year olds..... put them in a room together.... and they will make friends with both genders, and be emotionally attracted to both genders

strangers
friends
close friends
very close friends

now 5 year olds are not sexual..... therefore its all platonic friendships with their friends of both genders......

now take 100 x 35 year olds.... put them in a room together and they will make friends with both genders, and be emotionally attracted to both genders

strangers
friends
close friends
very close friends

again.... you can not tell who is bisexual and who is not..... without adding the sexual aspect........ but you have added the emotional attraction

now unless the person admits to a sexual attraction to both genders... they can label themselves as gay, les, hetero.. and we would take it at face value, cos we have no way to measure the emotional attraction.....

so it is possible to be a bisexual that has a hidden attraction to men on a emotional level that is not matched on the sexual level.....
there is the counter balance of the bisexual that has a hidden attraction to men on a sexual level, but not a emotional one....

but we have only one way to tell and that is the sexual attraction.....

so what I have been saying all along.... is we have no way to tell if a person is bisexual UNLESS they have sex / sexual attraction to both genders....
cos we ignore the emotional attraction when defining bisexuals

therefore, by ignoring the emotional side of bisexuals..... and focusing ONLY on the sexual aspect......
any level of friendship that is not sexual, but has emotional attraction to both genders.... can be a bisexual low level attraction......
but again, it doesn't make the person bisexual at all...... it means we can not tell if they are bisexual or not....

if they are, but ID as sexuality other than bisexuality.... that makes all the studies out there that have only used sex and sexual attraction as the defining rule, WRONG !!!!!

a bisexual that is emotionally attracted to both genders, even as friends, is still a bisexual.....

so if you have friends that you never slept with and you have had no form of sexual contact or arousal or attraction etc.... and your friends are both genders.....what is to say that its not a emotional / friendship bisexual attraction.....

it is the unprovable, disprovable question.... because we measure bisexuality in sexual attraction and contact only.... not emotional attraction and contact

thats why I was amused at getting told I was wrong.....

how can I be wrong about something I can not prove, and that can not be disproved

[Long Duck Dong]

now.... take me in a few different forms

ME 1 ) non sexual, has friends of both genders, emotional attracted to both

ME 2 ) sexual with males, has friends of both genders, emotional with females

ME 3 ) sexual with females, has friends of both genders, emotional with males

ME 4) sexual with both, has friends of both genders, emotional with both

ME 5 ) sexual with both, has friends of both genders, emotional with none


what ME's are bisexual, and what ones are not....

they all are.... but we would regard only 2,4,5 as bisexual as they have had sex..... we would disregard 1 as they have no sexual interest / attraction etc and 3 as they are not having sex with males, only females.....

but they all are bisexual.......

now how do you tell the difference between the ME 1 and a hetero / gay / les ( that are also non sexual ) in a group of friends of both genders,

you can't.......

so how do you prove that their level of attraction to the people is not bisexual in a emotional sense......

you can't

so how do you disprove it....

you can't

so what is the difference between the bi, gay, les, hetero and non sexual with their friends.....

there is none..... but by default, a bisexual is attracted to both genders... and a person with friends of both genders, attracted to them both, non sexually, can be called a person of emotional bisexuality.... or attracted to both genders on a emotional level....

and again.... there is no way to prove or disprove this without removing the emotional aspect and replacing it with the sexual one

but we all know that we are emotional beings...... the trouble is we ignore friendships as any type of emotional connection.... tho we refer to a closeness to some of our friends, a empathy... or emotional connection and closeness....

[tenni]

Cum
He is still full of shit with his off topic rants. This thread is about men and bisexuality; not familial love or agape. It is interesting how he posts a range of sane crisp comments to those that read as thoughts of a borderline delusional person.


Why didn't you state that to begin with? Plato wrote about the various types of love from Agape to Eros. I would not consider a platonic friendship to be romantic love but more love for someone as a friend if it gets that far.

Your writing is rather confusing to read and you could have just said what you did now about the faintest attraction to full blown love instead of going on and on about how someone who is friends with both men and women is somehow in your opinion having a bisexual platonic relationship or whatever you called it or claimed that they have a hint of bisexuality based on only platonic friendships.

You have some good ideas but it does get hard to read them or find them in your posts.

[rissababynta]

LDD, I do have to agree with the other a WEE bit on the part of your posts can be...well...a bit much at times I guess. I think you are very intelligent and I LOVE see what you have to say, but sometimes I find myself having to go back and re-read a portion of your thread because I zoned out for a split second.

On another note though, I do see where you were going here on this thread, so at least you can mark me down for one person who got it :bigrin:

[Long Duck Dong]

Cum
He is still full of shit with his off topic rants. This thread is about men and bisexuality; not familial love or agape. It is interesting how he posts a range of sane crisp comments to those that read as thoughts of a borderline delusional person.

strange how I am full of shit..... when I am refering to a aspect of the OP .. but its not exclusively bi male only, knocking religions or bitching about morality like you love to do

so, mr * know it all *, please tell me ....what part of my posts have not been about men and bisexuality ????

the video is about a man thinking about and viewing a cock in a porn.....
something gay men and bi men do too.......

I was pointing out that it is possible for hetero and gay and non sexual men ( and women ) to have bisexual traits and interests but without the sexual desires or attracts......

something that was shown in the vid.... and something that you argued was not possible..... then you tell me that I was not talking about men and bisexuality..... what fucking thread are you reading. tenni....????

[Long Duck Dong]

LDD, I do have to agree with the other a WEE bit on the part of your posts can be...well...a bit much at times I guess. I think you are very intelligent and I LOVE see what you have to say, but sometimes I find myself having to go back and re-read a portion of your thread because I zoned out for a split second.

On another note though, I do see where you were going here on this thread, so at least you can mark me down for one person who got it :bigrin:

yeah rissa I know.... but when dealing with idiots like tenni that can not understand that posts about men and bisexuality, are refering to things involving men and bisexuality.... you have to write the equal to war and peace....

[oldcalhippie]

For me its simple...I just love the feel of a hard cock inside of me.

[Long Duck Dong]

Why the attacks LongDuck?

Tenni is correct you are going off on tangents and side topics that have nothing to do with the original topic of this thread at all.

I take it back DuckDong, your replies so far to this thread about platonic friendship being related to bisexuality have fuck all to do with the topic and your attacks on people like Tenni and myself who happen to disagree with what you have written just show how mentally unstable you are. Get some help.

Platonic relationships do not show that someone is bisexual at all as in order for someone to actually be bisexual they would have to at least have sexual attraction to both genders and not just be able to form a simple platonic friendship. People who are heterosexual and gays and lesbians are able to form platonic friendships but this does not make them bisexual since they are not sexually attracted to both genders.

are you aware that the last part of your post sums up what I have been saying and saying I am correct and that tenni is wrong

if you watch the video and listen to what they say.... there is signs of latent bisexual interest ...... a straight man watching a another males cock and not feeling embarassed or homophobic about it
its like a idle curiosity.... but unless there is desire or interest to act upon it, we regard it as non bisexual ..... when in fact, it is latent bisexual interest.... all bisexual behievour extends from that point....

but what would I know... its only in the counselling manuals and part of the gender and sexuality therapist handbook that I have...... so it must be wrong cos you and tenni say so

yeah i know, I never added that part to the thread.... as I do find it interesting how the males tend to fight and argue things, and resort to abuse..... as they are stuck in their its only bisexuality if there is fucking involved way of thinking....

the reason its in the handbooks, is not cos I came up with the understanding, but cos it was researched by trained professionals and proven ....... so its you and tenni against the trained professionals now....

[Long Duck Dong]

You're assuming that all heterosexual men somehow like porn and watch it, and that when they watch a heterosexual porn that depicts a man and woman having vaginal intercourse that the man will somehow watch the other man or focus on his penis constantly.

I know straight men who do not even like porn and do not watch it.

Or if they do look at porn they look at softcore porn where it just shows naked women only and no men are there. Or they love lesbian porn where no men are at all.

Or if they are watching a heterosexual porn they do not even look at the man and only look at the woman.

Again you're using circular logic when you originally did say that just because someone can form platonic friendships with both genders that it makes them bisexual or in your words a "low level bisexual".

It's not "abuse" just because someone does not agree with your half baked theories. Sorry that you have such a huge ego.

I can see why you are only a quack of a lowly counselor (no pun!) and never got a PhD. or a doctorate in human sexuality and gender studies.

This sort of logic that all people are somehow "low level" or "latent bisexual" (both in your terms) is BS and it's just as bad as queer theory and other theories that have invaded universities that are not even based on logic and facts with studies to back them up, or even the scientific method.


yeah what ever..... the simple truth is that you just wanna attack everything and bitch about everything

I never said anything about all heterosexual man, I merely commented about the video in the original post, so you have already proven that 80%^ of what you posted, is in your head, not whats on in the thread

main statement that a number of MALES missed yet a FEMALE understood....

latent bisexuality and non bisexuality are identical and seperate... therefore any non sexual friendships could be a form of latent bisexual attraction, as there is no way to define any difference until you add in sexual attraction
IE Every friendship in the word between people that have friends of both genders, match the nature of latent bisexual attraction

now read this part carefully. IT DOESN'T SAY THAT EVERYBODY IS BISEXUAL !!!!!!

it says that the way bisexuals make friends and the way non bisexuals make friends is identical... there is no difference..... but if you used sexuality as a rule for making friends, then a person with latent bisexual traits would make friends with both genders, the rest would make friends only with the people that match their sexuality.....

[richarddennis]

Most men may not be bi, but many men would let just about anyone fellatio them!

[tenni]

Horned
richarddennis didn't write "all" he used the word "many"... men would accept a bj.

I have no idea if many men would accept a bj from another guy but under the right circumstances I would not be surprised. Number one condition is that the guy is horny as hell and two is that no one would find out. I'm thinking there are a lot of men who would go for the free bj under those two conditions. No arguing ...just my opinion. If you don't agree no sweat.


Post 5 and Post 44 are not in agreement. "plantonic attraction" and "latent bisexuality" are not only different words but different meanings...quack, quack

[Long Duck Dong]

Horned
richarddennis didn't write "all" he used the word "many"... men would accept a bj.

I have no idea if many men would accept a bj from another guy but under the right circumstances I would not be surprised. Number one condition is that the guy is horny as hell and two is that no one would find out. I'm thinking there are a lot of men who would go for the free bj under those two conditions. No arguing ...just my opinion. If you don't agree no sweat.


Post 5 and Post 44 are not in agreement. "plantonic attraction" and "latent bisexuality" are not only different words but different meanings...quack, quack

its platonic attraction.... not plantonic......

and they are different words, different meanings, but latent bisexuality addresses a type of attraction of a set sexuality, platonic attraction refers to a non sexual attraction......

either of them talk about a sexual attraction so the meaning is a defining one....

[thatcher29]

So, did others think that the video was funny? Is there a bit of truth to what is in the video about straight guys and porn?

Does it apply to most "so-called-straight" men.

Uh, yes, the video makes a great point. I'm not sure about the degree of bisexuality in "straight" porno watchers but I've always thought that there's a whole lot of emphasis on large cocks, musclebound men, and the "money shot". And that's for porno that's intended to be sold mostly to men! Are all men bisexual? Um, I guess it depends on the situation, the environment, the other people around, and lots of other stuff. I can tell you this though--all men are horney! One way or another, cum will spill.

Years ago, I had a friend who worked as a projectionist in a prono theater on Colfax in Denver. I'd meet him with a television set on Sunday mornings so we could watch the football games. (Hey, you can only watch porno for so many hours in a day.) There was always a guy who called every week and and all he would ask was if John Holmes was in any of that week's films. Now I bet that guy would call himself heterosexual, even though he had a total fixation on one guy's cock. Sex is strange.

[tenni]

Good thatcher that you actually brought it back to the topic.

I don't know if I mentioned this before but I think that what goes on in a straight guy's head when he watches a penis thrusting in a vagina is projection and identifying with the penis on the screen. He sees the penis as his own. He fantasizes that the big dick is his and he is the one pleasing the woman. The woman is pleasing him. He watches her pussy as the penis is thrusting into it. He enjoys watching her body.(actually I'm watching a straight porn on TV now..lol) The amount of time that a penis is on the screen is no where near as long as the the woman's breasts, face and snatch.

Similarly, when he watches two women making out he projects that they are doing this for him. They are doing this to please him. He is actually there but he is not one of the women. Well that is fantasy for ya...:bigrin:

[roy m cox]

strange as it may be i have some str8 friends that like porn and will say things like look at that guy and wow how big his penis is ,, :rolleyes: i always snicker at them about that cuss you'd think they would say stuff more about the woman in a porn ,, i get to bizzy looking at both the man and the woman i don't just look at one or the other i do love watching 2 people making love be it a female and male, or a male on male, or female on female, of course im weird that way , hmmm to think i would like both sexes in a equal way :three:

and yeah this is a funny vid in a way i saw it on tv before :)

:bipride::bipride::bipride::bipride:

[wildwestgoob]

yes, thank you Thatcher for bringing this sinking ship back on course ! lol

(polite golf clap)

There are some here who just like to here themselves "preach" and have absolutely no talents in brevity.

This topic was/is about the humor of the originally posted video.
It was in no way intended to support any scientific facts.. holy crap.

I think some members of this board should get a discount on Valium ! LOL

[bicurcple]

.......although I have seen it before that bit is always hilarious.