Justice Served: "DC Sniper Executed In Virginia!"

[12voltman59]

John Allen Muhammed, the "DC Sniper" was executed earlier this evening in a Virginia state prison:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_sniper_execution

[Doggiestyle]

:disgust: He may not be forgotten, but at least he is gone. :disgust: I can think of a few more, that are on "death row", in other states that need this. :mad:
Just my :2cents:. Your friend, :doggie:

[jem_is_bi]

While he definitely deserved to be killed, I would have prefered that he spend his life in prison. I do not see that as less punishment.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

I never fail to understand Why it always takes them so long to eliminate these assholes. :rolleyes:Why make them wait around sponging off the tax payers and causing the families of the person they've murdered more pain and anguish? If they would start getting rid of these lil bastards right away, it might begin to be a deterant to others..
Ok..climbing off my soapbox before I get pissed...:mad::disgust:
Cat

[FalconAngel]

I never fail to understand Why it always takes them so long to eliminate these assholes. :rolleyes:Why make them wait around sponging off the tax payers and causing the families of the person they've murdered more pain and anguish? If they would start getting rid of these lil bastards right away, it might begin to be a deterant to others..
Ok..climbing off my soapbox before I get pissed...:mad::disgust:
Cat

The time is tied up with appeals, Cat.

Sadly, even murderers and serial killers get human rights, just like the rest of us.

As far as I am concerned, people like that get far better than the deserve.

[Long Duck Dong]

justice for all is a hollow term.......in order to get justice in the way of a life sentence,.... a criminal will do it on your tax payers dollars..... so its hard to say who has the life sentence....the tax payer or the criminal....

either way.... for better or worse, justice has been served according to the letter of the law and the jury......

[TwylaTwobits]

Maybe now some of the families can get closure and move on. I remember the terror that was in effect at that time. The way the country was outraged and the relief we felt when the arrests took place. Justice is a loose term..I'm not sure that if he could have been killed once for each person he killed it would have been enough.

[ohbimale]

I agree that justice was served and he deserved to be eliminated from the human gene pool. The appeals take so long as a way of protecting the innocent from being killed and-or imprisioned falsely. Even in todays technological it is still fairly easy to railroad the innocent.

[dickhand]

I do not think justice was served at all . I am not against the death penalty per se . If we are going to do it , it should not be as comfortable as putting your dog to sleep . He should have been shot to death . That is , shot to death by the worst marksman they could find . That said , I am against the death penalty for the exact reason it takes so long to get them to execution . Because of their rights to appeal and the fact that we pay for those legal fees and associated costs , it actually costs much more to execute some asshole than to house them in prison for life . So I say let 'em rot in jail !

[goldenfinger]

One down, two more to go, as of the last few days.

[Hephaestion]

While he definitely deserved to be killed, I would have prefered that he spend his life in prison. I do not see that as less punishment.

Tend to agree here.

[darkeyes]

*sighs*

America's thirst for vengeance is unquenchable.. all the death penalty achieves is anotha death.. an sumtimes that is the death of an innocent.. 2 much of a price 2 pay.. amazin jus how many peeps r 'ventually found innocent a many crimes.. not jus murder.. an peeps quibble bout the cost a appeals an so on.. not justice yas want is it?? Since mosly yas accept court verdicts unquestioningly... justice or vengeance..ya takes ya pik...

*sighs more deeply*

[allbimyself]

Stop that, Fran! We aren't supposed to agree!

[12voltman59]

To answer Frannie's post---I am at best ambivelent in regards to the death penalty---in far too many cases here in the US---we have no doubt sent people to their deaths who were truly innocent and to me that is as big of an injustice as it is for someone who is truly guilty to go and kill, maim and torture their fellow man--it is also a double injustice when an innocent person is put to death---the one done to them and that the real perpetrator of the crime or crimes is still free.

I do wish that we were a bit more honest about our reason for imposing the death penalty--to me it is pure myth that the death penalty really offers much of a deterrent effect for those who would kill----it really is a matter that we do seek a measure of revenge against them for what they did. To say that this is the reason we do this would be at least more honest than our officially stated rationale for imposing the ulitmate sentence upon criminals which is that the death penalty is a deterrent to such crimes.

But--when it comes to people like Muhammed, Ted Bundy and the rest of their ilk---I don't have any problem that the state exacts the ultimate punishment upon them---when they do go off committing these horrible crimes such as this--they forfeit their right to live among us and to me--it is right and fitting they face such a fate as state sanctioned execution.

There is really no such a thing as "perfect justice"---but we mere mortals just have to muddle our way through as best we can.

One more comment regarding the execution of this man----it is reported that he offered no sense of remorse or anything of that nature for what he did--at least he didn't make some false plea that he was some sort of victiim---but that he lacked any sense of shame, remorse, regret or sorrow at what he did-- this just goes to show to me that he got his just due.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

I dont see where its fair for some maniac to sit in prision for the rest of their lives living high off the hog and having the best access to computers, books and information and all of the educational benefits that most Children dont get! They have access to Lawyers and so many things that it makes you wonder Why this is being afforded to them???? Seems to me they have it pretty damn good. Three meals a day and all of the amenities that most foks dont have, sitting there thumbing their noses at the typical tax payer thats worked hard all of their live.
Oh Dont get me started...:soapbox:

[tenni]

There is a difference between justice and revenge. It is difficult to accept that mass murderers should not be killed but are you seeking justice or revenge when you write that it is a good thing that they die?

Many governments of the world have decided that they do not have the right to kill their citizens and even-non citizens that take the life of another person.

95 countries have completely abolished the death penalty, and another 27 countries do not use capital punishment in practice. That is 122 countries out of the 193 countries. 62% of all countries do not use capital punishment.

Most of the American countries do not have or do not practice capital punishment and all EU countries do not practice capital punishment. In fact, before a country may join the EU, they must end capital punishment. Most countries using capital punishment are in Asia, Africa and the USA. The USA is the only country that practices capital punishment of all the developed nations.

The US sits with such countries as China, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia North Korea on this barbaric practice. The US ranks fourth (38) for the most executions in 2008. China far surpasses the US though and even that number of over 5 000.

[izzfan]

Hmm... I have mixed feelings about this, on the one hand I can understand why people would want him to be exected but on the other hand, I am quite uneasy with the concept of the death penalty (something which I think should be reserved only for crimes against humanity such as genocide).

I think the American system of appeals etc... before the death penalty isn't necessarily a bad thing because it ensures that there is a chance that they may be acquitted on new evidence (if they are innocent) or recieve a life sentence instead (if they are guilty). Then again, if someone has already served 10-20 years in prison before their execution then that is practically a life sentence (by British standards) and it may be adequate punishment in and of itself. Of course, I don't think that this should apply to serial killers (like the "sniper" in question, who should serve several life sentences preferably consecutively).

At least the American "death row" system is better than the Japanese one where prisoners are only informed of their execution hours before it happens (I don't know if this is still the case in Japan but I read an article about the death penalty in Japan a while ago and it mentioned this).

[tenni]

Capital punishment is legal in Japan, but was effectively suspended on September 17, 2009.

[darkeyes]

Stop that, Fran! We aren't supposed to agree!

*Opens eyes n gob in shock n horror.. Screams hysterically in disbelief*

*Blows kissie 2 a luffly ole adversary an smiles demurely...*

:)

[BfloBiFun]

To bad the asshole at Fort Hood lived . . . after KILLING 14 people !!!! My feelings go out to the family & friends of the VICTIMS !!! Same goes for the low-life killer in DC . . . .

[jamieknyc]

As the resident lawyer in this forum, as you know I am not a big fan of capital punishment. But there are some people who deserve it, and this guy was one of them.

[ready484u]

To all of you bleeding hearts who say way to many people are put to death that are innocent name me 2 or even one that was.Stand up for what you are saying and prove it you pussies.By the way Im from Texas we fuck around a lot less than other states to kill these assholes and it still takes too long.

[DakotaT]

There is always a "possibility" that an innocent person could be executed for a crime. The system, any system, is not perfect. But why is it any different for someone to "rot" in jail for the rest of their life if he or she is also innocent? I think both are equally bad.
The reason I'm for the death penalty is because I was on jury duty one time when an inmate was on trial for killing another inmate. The things I learned about the prison system astounded me! Basically, as relevant to this discussion, what I found out was that when murderous savages get life instead of death, they become a terrible danger to other inmates in prison and Lord help the community if these guys escape prison! In the case that I was on, a band of "lifers" (some had 300 yr sentences to serve) had become a gang inside the prison and were extorting money from the other inmates by threatening to kill them if they didn't have family members bring money in to pay them off. One inmate testified that he had to sell his house to get the money to stay alive in prison! That's when I realized that some people simply need to be taken out of this world instead of given room and board and a place to operate his/their extortion business from. They simply terrorize the rest of the prison population because they have nothing to lose without the death penalty.

[12voltman59]

To all of you bleeding hearts who say way to many people are put to death that are innocent name me 2 or even one that was.Stand up for what you are saying and prove it you pussies.By the way Im from Texas we fuck around a lot less than other states to kill these assholes and it still takes too long.


I am sorry that I feel I have to keep making posts--but I just cannot let things like this get stand without some sort of rebuttal being issued----not that I am going to change the mind of a person who makes such statements or those who agree with such a statement--but I feel that I have to "set the record straight" at any rate.

Actually--in the last decade or so from prisons all over the country--and especially down in Texas---many people (several hundred at least and even one wrongful conviction is one too many!) have gone free from prison after it was found they have been wrongfully convicted for a legion of reasons.

It is hardly being a "bleeding heart liberal" to want the legal system to make sure legal authorities get it right when they sentence someone to prison in general and to death in particular---forget all the humanitarian arguments in this regard since this person sure as hell obviously doesn't care about that part of things--lets do a totally bottom line/conservative take on this----we want to make sure the people in charge of doing this sort of thing are earning their money by "getting it right" in convicting those actually responsible for the crimes in question--we want them to be competent in the work they do--and it costs the taxpayer big time bucks to try, convict, house in prison and then to execute people--from a pure bottom line point of view---we want to make sure the right person is getting the needle since its a major waste of taxpayer dollars if they are fucking it up---and like I said before--if the police and prosecutors are only concerned with making an arrest, bringing to trial, convicting and sentencing someone--ANYONE for a crime--they have fucked up not once but twice--they have put the wrong person in prison for that crime---and the one or ones who did it--are still free to wreak havoc yet again.

[sam73]

To bad the asshole at Fort Hood lived . . . after KILLING 14 people !!!! My feelings go out to the family & friends of the VICTIMS !!! Same goes for the low-life killer in DC . . . .

I totally agree with you but I wouldn't be surprised if the Fort Hood asshole's days are numbered. He'll have quite a few people wanting him dead...the victims who lived, the surviving family members of those killed, and a large population of soldiers and citizens who were affected on that base by his decision to open fire. Of course, this is merely my opinion.

[Hephaestion]

To all of you bleeding hearts who say way to many people are put to death that are innocent name me 2 or even one that was.Stand up for what you are saying and prove it you pussies.By the way Im from Texas we fuck around a lot less than other states to kill these assholes and it still takes too long.

Dated 2007

'.....There have been 205 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States.

The first DNA exoneration took place in 1989. Exonerations have been won in 31 states; since 2000, there have been 142 exonerations.
15 of the 205 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row.....'

Pre-DNA? Dead men can't complain.

In the UK we have the case of Timothy Evans

[ready484u]

Ok people you didnt read my post very well I said name one person that has been put to death that later was found innocent.If they were convicted but later found innocent then the system worked,it may have sucked at first for them but it finnaly did work.I dont want my tax money use to keep some peice of crap alive for 50 yrs.Use it on the ones that deserve it and need our help not a killer.

[darkeyes]

Ok people you didnt read my post very well I said name one person that has been put to death that later was found innocent.If they were convicted but later found innocent then the system worked,it may have sucked at first for them but it finnaly did work.I dont want my tax money use to keep some peice of crap alive for 50 yrs.Use it on the ones that deserve it and need our help not a killer.

For them that cant c the wood for the trees... use ya noggin me luffly.. DNA evidence is still in its infancy.. as time wears on..this an otha forensic techniques will continue 2 becum more sophisticated an will in time show that many more cases throughout the planet involvin all types a crime hav involved imprisonin an innocent person.. they will also on many occasions show that they who hav been found guilty in fact dun the deed.. an will uncova many peeps who thot they got away wiv it an make them pay the price the law an society demands..this is happnin now..but every week peeps who hav spent an r spendin time in clink r exonerated for not havin committed crimes that a jury found 'em guilty of.. thats the point.. we r imperfect beings an crime solvin is an always will b an imperfect science.. an ne thin wich involves an imperfect science can nev b relied upon 100% 2 cum up wiv the rite verdict.. an certainly nev wen human life is concerned.. thats 1 reason me is 100% gainst capital punishment..

Contrary 2 ur point, every case of wrongful punishment shows that the system works imperfectly an works 2 unreliably for us eva 2 accept its judgements wivout question.. it works.. sort of..but works not as well as it shud..an that also is the point...

..second reason is that by executin a killa.. we lower ourselves 2 ther level an debases our species.. hav otha reasons, quite a few actually..but they will do fine 2 b gettin along wiv... othas me outlined a lil in me previous post..but ther r more..

Enjoy...:)

[tenni]

What I find interesting is how strong some/most posters from the US feel towards executing murderers. In the same sense, those of us from countries that do imprison rather than murdering our murderers accept that it is not acceptable for the state to do so.

[csrakate]

What I find interesting is how strong some/most posters from the US feel towards executing murderers. In the same sense, those of us from countries that do imprison rather than murdering our murderers accept that it is not acceptable for the state to do so.

Oh great....time for us to brace ourselves for the onslaught...the gauntlet has been thrown with the "US vs. THEM" mentality and as we all know, this will go no where good rather fast! Threads such as this one never end up with good will and I always hate when it happens....which begs one to ask...WHY bring it up in the first place? I know many will argue that it's an opening to a lively debate...but that is never how it ends up...there will be nasty words exchanged and tempers will flare.....hardly what I call debate. I beg of you all...please remain civil...remember that opinions are just that....OPINIONS...and everyone has a right to give theirs....but please keep it civil....let us not allow this to divide the people who are here with common issues and needs....

[Doggie_Wood]

While he definitely deserved to be killed, I would have prefered that he spend his life in prison. I do not see that as less punishment.

Better that he is now gone instead of being part of the over crowded prisons and tax payer paid debt of the state they're in.
Good ridance!

:2cents: Doggie :doggie:

[darkeyes]

What I find interesting is how strong some/most posters from the US feel towards executing murderers. In the same sense, those of us from countries that do imprison rather than murdering our murderers accept that it is not acceptable for the state to do so.

Wonda wy that is don u Tenni hun?? Cultural an historical in part methinks but ther is much more 2 it than that... in the early 19th century mass executions wer common place in the UK for crimes such as nickin silk hankies as well as murder.. as commonplace as they wer in the US at least..so wy in the las 200 years..an more 2 the point..in the last 50 years has the US held 2 its much treasured capital punishment wile otha places who killed criminals in droves hav abandoned the practice? Interestin innit??

[darkeyes]

Oh great....time for us to brace ourselves for the onslaught...the gauntlet has been thrown with the "US vs. THEM" mentality and as we all know, this will go no where good rather fast! Threads such as this one never end up with good will and I always hate when it happens....which begs one to ask...WHY bring it up in the first place? I know many will argue that it's an opening to a lively debate...but that is never how it ends up...there will be nasty words exchanged and tempers will flare.....hardly what I call debate. I beg of you all...please remain civil...remember that opinions are just that....OPINIONS...and everyone has a right to give theirs....but please keep it civil....let us not allow this to divide the people who are here with common issues and needs....
Mumsie.. tenni is merely statin a fact..its not a casa US gainst well...us.. is a case a wot is rite an propa.. the US an China an otha countries hav 1 pointa a view..an mosta the rest a the world anotha on this subject... both views cant b rite.. or can they?? Me don think so..but ther r those who say how they deal with murderers works for them..me think they r rong..an no 1 has yet shown that me opinion is in error.. but then..me own arguments an those a otha abolitionists havn yet persuaded the US an its peeps that they shud do away wiv judicial execution.. no Mumsie methinks yas rong 'ere... summat as fundamental as human life..is a human concern.. an that goes cross national boundaries..an it inflames passions... an is 2 important for us not 2 argue woteva our view... an sumtimes it will get a lil outa hand..but hopefully it won cum 2 fisticuffs...

..an finally me luffly ole mumsie.. me is ALWAYS civil..:tong:.. well mosly... even me can lose the plot sumtimes..tee hee:bigrin:

Kissie...

[csrakate]

Just to clarify...I wasn't really addressing Tenni as much as I was addressing the anticipated responses that his comment was going to generate....I just know where this is going to lead....history has a way of repeating itself and these threads always end up with nasty words and hateful comments.....just bracing myself for what may come...that's all. Also...the US was for the word us...not for US...us vs. them mentality.....thought I better clear that up as well LOL!

"ole mumsy"???? Careful you little tart....them there is fighting words LOL!

[jamieknyc]

Somehow I think Miss Frannie wouldn't be so dogmatic if she had been one of the millions shaking in fear every time they had to fill up the gas tank. I know plenty of hard-left types (no shortage of those in the DC area) who were vociferously in favor of this guy being executed.

[darkeyes]

Somehow I think Miss Frannie wouldn't be so dogmatic if she had been one of the millions shaking in fear every time they had to fill up the gas tank. I know plenty of hard-left types (no shortage of those in the DC area) who were vociferously in favor of this guy being executed.

Jamie dear..me ver fond a ya..but jus lemme say this.. this country aint a nice peaceful gennel place..not as bad as urs me don think but it can b ver threatenin at times.. an hav felt very threatened... includin 1ce or twice fillin up me car spesh at nite... me opinions r based on fact that society an our countries r run shite.. can elaborate but wud take long long LONG time.. am of the left only partly cosa upbringin..am much farther left then me mum or dad who r no wishy washy pinkos believe me.. hav me beliefs cosa wot me has seen read an experienced in me lil life...wot in the US passes as far left aint usually quite wot we thinka hard left..am nev quite sure wot it means ne way.. an jus cos US lefties hav 1 pointa view..dus that mean we in otha nations shud go long wiv it??? Nope..don b daft... Jamie hun...say this 2 ya..don think u wud kno a hard leftie if 'e walked up 2 ya an smacked ya in face wiv a kipper.. hold 2 me opinion an belief..executin peeps dus lil 2 help our society b betta.. don help reduce the crime rate or murder rate... an don help us find out wtf they did it in 1st place... an takin human life judicailly..no matta how big a shit they wer.. lowers us 2 ther level.. an no matta how bad a person they hav been, is an immoral act a societal vengeance, not 1a judicial or moral prudence...

[darkeyes]

Just to clarify...I wasn't really addressing Tenni as much as I was addressing the anticipated responses that his comment was going to generate....I just know where this is going to lead....history has a way of repeating itself and these threads always end up with nasty words and hateful comments.....just bracing myself for what may come...that's all. Also...the US was for the word us...not for US...us vs. them mentality.....thought I better clear that up as well LOL!

"ole mumsy"???? Careful you little tart....them there is fighting words LOL!
Oops...soz Mumsie... drop "ole" repace wiv "gorge".. howzat???..tee hee... waya the world tho mumsie...debate is ultimately almos uncontrollable..an we all havta take rough wiv the smooth...rude wiv polite... shite .... wiv Fran's wondafully (sum say confused but wot dus they kno..tee hee) amazin reasonin...tee hee (lil jokie)(well almos).

[ready484u]

Dark eyes i expected no less from you .You must live in some dream world where you think everything should be perfect.Its not never will be but you still havent answerd my question.Name one peson who they have found didnt do the crime after they executed them.All your made up numbers and points dont mean a thing unless you can back up what you say,and you havent.Give us some facts or stop makeing things up.If its yopur opinion it ok but dont state them as facts.Love ya babe free speach is what its all about.

[rdy2go]

Yeah, he deserved to die, justice was served the guy was eliminated. He no longer has to think about what he did to those people. Problem is... the families of his victims have to live with what he did. They can't forget it, nor stop feeling the pain of the losses thay have suffered. Doesn't seem fair does it. Having said that it remains to be seen if that jerk felt any remorse about what he did.

[goldenfinger]

This guy may be off the street, but have you noticed in the past week, two that I know of, has already taken his place. Talking about chopping the head of the devil.:eek:

[Long Duck Dong]

Dark eyes i expected no less from you .You must live in some dream world where you think everything should be perfect.Its not never will be but you still havent answerd my question.Name one peson who they have found didnt do the crime after they executed them.All your made up numbers and points dont mean a thing unless you can back up what you say,and you havent.Give us some facts or stop makeing things up.If its yopur opinion it ok but dont state them as facts.Love ya babe free speach is what its all about.

Ellis Wayne Felker was in police custody at the time of a criminal offence, and was executed for the crime... it was found that evidence was withheld that could have clearly shown it was impossible for ellis to have commited the crime

now, they knew the guy was innocent as he was in police custody, there was no way in hell he could have done the crime, but he was executed for it

yes the justice system is not perfect, its run by people, normal every day people.... mistakes are made, and sometimes its not mistakes but evidence tampering.....

so ready484u, darkeyes has a valid statement, care to dispute evidence supporting darkeyes

[swentex]

While his "execution" may have been carried out, his act of "domestic terrorism" will live on for many years to come. He will live on in the memories of the victims families. Although the execution removes the cause of the pain that pain will never be "executed.

[Nadir]

I dont see it as an act of domestic terrorism. I think the guy is more like a serial killer of sorts. He killed to satisfy his violent, antisocial urges, for psycholigical gratification. My views on capital punishment are somewhat conflicted. In one hand, I see it as a fair punishment for those who have crossed the line too far for society´s good (serial killers,child murderers or crimes against humanity like genocide), and also, in financial terms, less harmful for the economy in terms of cost (is less expensive to execute a criminal than to house him on a prison for the rest of his/her life). However, I share the view of many people in this thread when it comes to the efficiency of the method, as everybody knows miscarriages of justice that have ended with innocent people in prison and the real culprits walking free,or even these innocent people being executed for crimes they didnt commit. Here in Spain the death penalty was abolished after the fall of Franco´s regime in 1975, and our constitution limits the maximum of years that a person can serve in prison (forty years). However, many people is critic of the Spanish legal system, since it has a lot of flaws. None of the two serial killers that have operated in Spain have been executed by the state. One of them (Manuel Delgado Villegas) died from lung cancer after being released from prison in 1998, at the age of forty-five (and we are talking about a guy who killed 48 people on Spain,Italy and France,no less); and the other one (Jose Antonio Rodrigez Vega) was murdered by prison inmates in 2002. There is also the concept of "good behaviour". If you are sentenced to 15 years in prison for rape and robbery, if the prison staff deems it rational, you are allowed to go on an early release...

[Hephaestion]

Dark eyes i expected no less from you .You must live in some dream world where you think everything should be perfect.Its not never will be but you still havent answerd my question.Name one peson who they have found didnt do the crime after they executed them.All your made up numbers and points dont mean a thing unless you can back up what you say,and you havent.Give us some facts or stop makeing things up.If its yopur opinion it ok but dont state them as facts.Love ya babe free speach is what its all about.


Elsewhere it has been indicated that processes are under the influence of fallible people.

Two separate instances have been given of an innocent man being executed for something that the person did not do (as requested). When evidence of other clear miscarriages of justice are also presented then the claim is that people haven't understood the problem or the initial statement.

The real delusion here is that miscarriage of justice (indeed any injustice) never happens (and certainly never happens to any of 'us'). Should it occur then one should not worry because it is a rare event statistically and death is quite reversible. Even if death is not the result of a misplaced guilty verdict then one can recapture lost elapsed life and realtionships without penalty - money can buy anything.

[halobeam]

There is a difference between justice and revenge. It is difficult to accept that mass murderers should not be killed but are you seeking justice or revenge when you write that it is a good thing that they die?

Many governments of the world have decided that they do not have the right to kill their citizens and even-non citizens that take the life of another person.

95 countries have completely abolished the death penalty, and another 27 countries do not use capital punishment in practice. That is 122 countries out of the 193 countries. 62% of all countries do not use capital punishment.

Most of the American countries do not have or do not practice capital punishment and all EU countries do not practice capital punishment. In fact, before a country may join the EU, they must end capital punishment. Most countries using capital punishment are in Asia, Africa and the USA. The USA is the only country that practices capital punishment of all the developed nations.

The US sits with such countries as China, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia North Korea on this barbaric practice. The US ranks fourth (38) for the most executions in 2008. China far surpasses the US though and even that number of over 5 000.

I was reading some of the posts here and I find it horrific, thanks for posting this one. I don't think many people here do realize how barbaric capital punishment is and I don't think they know much about UN Human Rights or they are just ignorant about it. I don't see many saying anything about politicians who have caused death of millions, and I don't see them getting killed, oh ya they call it "foreign policy"...I guess I am happy that there is no capital punishment in Canada for many good reasons. I hope such a barbaric practices such as captial punishment stop all around the world. Systematic killing does not make it right either.

[goldenfinger]

Ellis Wayne Felker was in police custody at the time of a criminal offence, and was executed for the crime... it was found that evidence was withheld that could have clearly shown it was impossible for ellis to have commited the crime

now, they knew the guy was innocent as he was in police custody, there was no way in hell he could have done the crime, but he was executed for it

yes the justice system is not perfect, its run by people, normal every day people.... mistakes are made, and sometimes its not mistakes but evidence tampering.....

so ready484u, darkeyes has a valid statement, care to dispute evidence supporting darkeyes

http://www.freekenneth.com/

Here is another:
Cameron Todd Willingham
Sure there are many more from the time when police framed people just to clear up a case.

[darkeyes]

Dark eyes i expected no less from you .You must live in some dream world where you think everything should be perfect.Its not never will be but you still havent answerd my question.Name one peson who they have found didnt do the crime after they executed them.All your made up numbers and points dont mean a thing unless you can back up what you say,and you havent.Give us some facts or stop makeing things up.If its yopur opinion it ok but dont state them as facts.Love ya babe free speach is what its all about.

Sighhhh..well ther is the lil case a 6million executed by the nazis.. a gud few mill more executed by the Stalinist governments in the ole Soviet Union... or ya reckon they wer justifiable..or mayb even didn happen?? Millions in otha countries an all.. an sum wer even tried an sentenced judicially on sum bogus charge or otha...Individually the odd name has been popped in ere... Timothy Evans bein but 1... now stop bein silly...

..an for ya info..me nev makes things up..kinda counter productive innit???

[oldguy1969]

As I see it he and the rest that are locked up should pay to be locked up like they do in Thailand. And as far as appeals didn't he give his victums an appeal? NO!!!!!! so screw them shoot them on the spot and stop wasting taxpayers dollars.

[Long Duck Dong]

How is executing someone who murdered or tortured lots of people 'barbaric'?

Would you prefer people like serial killers such as Jeffery Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Fritz Haarmann, and others to stay alive and just rot in prison?

What would you do if these people escaped from prison or being captive like Jeffery Dahmer did?

My country has banned the death penalty and that is fine for us but other countries should be allowed to do what is right for them when it comes to the death penalty.

I am the type of person that views executions in a legal sense, like euthanasia, it should be a option for people if they so choose

if I was facing life in jail....

the pros: I would honestly like the option to take my own life.....
the benefits to the taxpayer is that they are not paying for me to have 3 squares a day, shelter from the elements, access to good food, exercise equiptment etc etc.....and the fact that I am not contributing to society in a constructive way....

the cons: simply that there would be people that would be demanding I spend the rest of my life behind bars.... but they are not paying the bill..... so if they want me there.... give them the bill

there is a difference between crime and punishment..... and punishment and paid support and housing....

the stupid thing is that people do not actually understand that prison is not a punishment for many crims.... its a change of scenery....and for some, a upgrade in lifestyle......

[darkeyes]

As I see it he and the rest that are locked up should pay to be locked up like they do in Thailand. And as far as appeals didn't he give his victums an appeal? NO!!!!!! so screw them shoot them on the spot and stop wasting taxpayers dollars.

Peeps in gaol do pay for the privilege hun..wiv ther freedom... woteva ther crime..or in sum cases.. "crime". An sum even nev c the outsida clink eva 'gain... but that aint enuff for sum peeps...

[darkeyes]

How is executing someone who murdered or tortured lots of people 'barbaric'?

Cos it lowers us down 2 ther level..an is the 1st step inmakin us as bad as them.. thats wotya won fine..jus don expect me 2 go along wivya...

[darkeyes]

I am the type of person that views executions in a legal sense, like euthanasia, it should be a option for people if they so choose

if I was facing life in jail....

the pros: I would honestly like the option to take my own life.....
the benefits to the taxpayer is that they are not paying for me to have 3 squares a day, shelter from the elements, access to good food, exercise equiptment etc etc.....and the fact that I am not contributing to society in a constructive way....

the cons: simply that there would be people that would be demanding I spend the rest of my life behind bars.... but they are not paying the bill..... so if they want me there.... give them the bill

there is a difference between crime and punishment..... and punishment and paid support and housing....

the stupid thing is that people do not actually understand that prison is not a punishment for many crims.... its a change of scenery....and for some, a upgrade in lifestyle......

naaaa Duckie..ya cant con me wiv that 1.. clink is no holiday camp.. not 'cordin 2 peeps me knos who hav spent some time ther.. restrictin, scary, unpleasant.. not as clean as it shud b..food is gross... always prey 2 both screw an the nob prisoners.. borin, an the shoppin is crap... rape, gud kickins, for male an female inmates an many otha unpleasant side effects... change a scenery?? mayb... but in shitty outside surroundins ya hav the freedom 2 get the fuck outa the place.. bit more diff if yas in clink....

So no hun..nick is hardly a pleasant place 2 b..howeva long yas ther...

[chook]

I say FUCK HIM, he got his just deserts, what right did this fucking low life have to decide who lived or died, the only thing that pains me is that he was executed in a more humane way than his victims were dealt. I just wish Australia had never got rid of the death penalty because believe me there are some arseholes in our prison system that even death is too good for them. Just my :2cents:


Cheers Chook :bigrin:

[Long Duck Dong]

naaaa Duckie..ya cant con me wiv that 1.. clink is no holiday camp.. not 'cordin 2 peeps me knos who hav spent some time ther.. restrictin, scary, unpleasant.. not as clean as it shud b..food is gross... always prey 2 both screw an the nob prisoners.. borin, an the shoppin is crap... rape, gud kickins, for male an female inmates an many otha unpleasant side effects... change a scenery?? mayb... but in shitty outside surroundins ya hav the freedom 2 get the fuck outa the place.. bit more diff if yas in clink....

So no hun..nick is hardly a pleasant place 2 b..howeva long yas ther...

I did 6 months..... access to books and computers, complete health care, warm and safe...and no chance of being evicted

on the outside, I faced bills for food, housing, power, phone, internet and had to work to provide.....

prison has its down sides, but on the inside, near everything is paid for by the people on the outside..... on the outside you pay for everything...... so who really pays for crimes, the criminal or the tax payer....

[darkeyes]

I did 6 months..... access to books and computers, complete health care, warm and safe...and no chance of being evicted

on the outside, I faced bills for food, housing, power, phone, internet and had to work to provide.....

prison has its down sides, but on the inside, near everything is paid for by the people on the outside..... on the outside you pay for everything...... so who really pays for crimes, the criminal or the tax payer....

Ya tellin me ya wan inm8s 2 sit round an hav sod all wile in nick? wot ur hintin at is a return 2 the barbarity a the 18th century prisons..treadmills an all.. take away the things u mention as pros a bein inside an yas askin for trubble.. havin ya freedom removed from ya..an livin in fear for mos prisoners (not 2 sure jus how "safe" prisons r.. wot wiv the nasties that happen 2 so many) mus b an awful thing... course the criminally guilty usually deserve it..not arguin othawise.. but am arguin that we shud treat 'em humanely.. howeva bad ther crimes.. an that means everythin u mention as part a the rehabilitation process.. summat wich prisons round the world sadly tend 2 fail in.. 1st an foremos shud cum punishment..but that shud go hand in hand wiv givin inm8s the opportunity 2 reform an educate themselves for big bad world they eventually in mos cases return 2.. the recidivism r8 a prison systems round the planet is hardly a glowin reference for the way societies treat ther prisoners.. a civilised society is 1 wich endeavours 2 treat all its citizens decently.. even those it has lokked away 2 protect its citizens... but a course..all 2 many peeps jus wanna hang peeps or lok em up an throw away the key.. wanna c a society thats betta than that.. all 2 many don..an cos they rule the roost in our society is substantially the reason our societies r in the poopy mess they r...

[Falke]

I know I am abit late but... Good riddance!

[Long Duck Dong]

no I am saying that prison is not the prison people think it is..... and a big issue is when you let prisoners out......

when we think of prison, we think of incarceration and isolation.... loss of freedom and movement......but for many its actually safer in prison than on the streets....

a prison is a collection of prisoners.... some of the nastiest pieces of shit to walk the earth quite frankly.... and you give them idle time in prison, thats time spent waiting til they get out and the person that said hell knows no fury like a woman scorned, never spent time seeing what a idle criminal mind can think up

some of the people I spent time with, upskilled and gained certs, paid for by the tax payer.... one of them was released and used their skills to embezzle funds, another to commit fraud with documents.... another used the prison computers to set up online relationships and then on their release, ripped off a number of people, using the computer skills he was taught in jail


the issue is not all the criminals are in jail or convicted, they are the ones that put the criminals behind bars, but they are legal * criminals*

so it begs the question " are we actually dealing with crime or just removing from society, the people that deem unfit to walk amongst us, while we smile and lie thru our own teeth, cheat on partners, break laws and rules etc every day......"

who are the real criminals in society.... the people on the outside, the people on the inside or everybody, the only difference is some of us get caught cos the stuff we do is against the law, the ones that do the legal stuff, are the ones that lie, cheat and steal in relationships, businesses etc.....

and who is being punished.... the criminal behind bars, or the taxpayer for have to pay to keep them there in the name of * justice *

[12voltman59]

I didn't mean for this thread to keep up such interest for so long--I think its time for this thread to get executed too!!!

Enough allready, ya'all!!!

Peace

[Hephaestion]

Sorry Volty

I ask whether anybody knows the outcome of this from an earlier thread.

H.
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Can Prosecutors Be Sued By People They Framed?
by Nina Totenberg

November 4, 2009

Do prosecutors have total immunity from lawsuits for anything they do, including framing someone for murder? That is the question the justices of the Supreme Court face Wednesday.

On one side of the case being argued are Iowa prosecutors who contend "there is no freestanding right not to be framed." They are backed by the Obama administration, 28 states and every major prosecutors organization in the country.

On the other side are two black men — Terry Harrington and Curtis McGhee — men who served 25 years in prison before evidence long hidden in police files resulted in them being freed.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=120069519

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[ready484u]

Sighhhh..well ther is the lil case a 6million executed by the nazis.. a gud few mill more executed by the Stalinist governments in the ole Soviet Union... or ya reckon they wer justifiable..or mayb even didn happen?? Millions in otha countries an all.. an sum wer even tried an sentenced judicially on sum bogus charge or otha...Individually the odd name has been popped in ere... Timothy Evans bein but 1... now stop bein silly...

..an for ya info..me nev makes things up..kinda counter productive innit???

Like I said you spit out quotes but give nothing to back them up.Must be nice to have youe own little dream world and belive in things that arnt really there.

[sammy321]

As a Brit far be it for me to interfere in American "justice" however from my reading on this case it appears this guy was a war veteran who the defense pleaded was not in full control of his senses when committing these murders. While I am not party to the exact details of this guys case it does seem to me to be a motiveless crime which would make one think that maybe the guy was not in full control of his faculties. Maybe the US justice system has taken a bit of a hammering over here due to the OJ and Michael Jackson cases. The doubt surrounding these high profile cases makes me glad that we got rid of the outdated death penalty years ago.

[Hephaestion]

Like I said you spit out quotes but give nothing to back them up.Must be nice to have youe own little dream world and belive in things that arnt really there.

Evidence has been given. Please read it.

You should also be worried about immunity from prosecution over fiddling evidence.

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[rdy2go]

Has anybody heard this. Some dude or nut job in california(?) not sure of the exact state, did some arsehole crime, and actually had his lawyer ask for the death penalty. Seems he had a better chance of croaking from old age on california's death row than with the main population in a prison, WTF! Sorry I didn't catch all the details of this I just thought it was so stupid! Feel free to add the facts if you know them.