Viva La Vegetarian Revolution!

[MetaSexual2]

I certainly don't agree with all of PETA's positions or tactics, but I do appreciate the advertising moxie they use to get their message out.

The meme space involved in this latest one are terrific to think about...
Che Guevara's granddaughter poses semi-nude for PETA (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/19/lydia-guevara-ches-grandd_n_218336.html)

They are starting a vegetarian campaign targeted at South America with this as the kick off.

[cand86]

They're always titillating (and hence understandably used for marketing), but I'm just rather tired of PETA's naked(ish) ads. Once, even twice, it's shocking, daring, controversial, gets people talking. By now, it just seems rather pathetic. I mean, the whole bit started with "I'd rather be naked than wear fur." . . . and now it's used for vegetarianism? At least the former made sense.

If the only way you can garner people's attention is by throwing naked women at them, I'd say you're doing something wrong.

[MetaSexual2]

I think it might reflect more on our society than it does PETA that it takes naked women to get people to pay attention to serious ethical issues. Its true that they need to continue to ramp up the shock value in order to compete in our ADD society, but putting a beautiful naked person, particularly a celebrity, often seems to do the trick. I'm curious, how would you approach it if you were in their shoes? Keep in mind they are fighting against deeply entrenched cultural norms.

BTW - its not always women in the naked ads, its just people seem to pay more attention when it is :P

[cand86]

Oh, definitely it's our society that makes it so we need to use sex to get anybody's attention. I guess I just expect more variety from PETA.

I'm not a vegetarian, so I have a feeling I'm pretty detached on the issue . . . but I imagine I'd be much more moved by some ads with actual animals in them.

Hell, if that cheesy Sarah MacLachlan SPCA video can make me all sad and depressed about abused pets, I have a feeling some ads of animals we routinely eat might make me hesitate next time I want a burger.

Oh, and I remember the Steve-O PETA ad . . . which always made me laugh, because I can not imagine him- or many other men, for that matter- who would be wearing fur anyways. Shoulda gone with something about leather; that'd make more sense to me.

[TaylorMade]

Show me good looking Vegetarian naked MEN (Christian Bale, Tobey Maguire are Vegetarian/Vegan), and PETA may be onto something. Till then they're just replacing one objectification for another.

Hypocrites.

*Taylor*

[littlerayofsunshine]

Show me good looking Vegetarian naked MEN (Christian Bale, Tobey Maguire are Vegetarian/Vegan), and PETA may be onto something. Till then they're just replacing one objectification for another.

Hypocrites.

*Taylor*


while is is true that more naked women get used to make a point in the Peta ads than naked men. I think they would worry that showing a penis carrying stud muffin and a Don't touch the meat campaign would cause rampant lesbianism.

[TaylorMade]

while is is true that more naked women get used to make a point in the Peta ads than naked men. I think they would worry that showing a penis carrying stud muffin and a Don't touch the meat campaign would cause rampant lesbianism.

Or. . ."This is the only meat you should have in your mouth." ;) I bet anyone could come up with some male-positive anti-meat slogans.

PETA is just too lazy to come up with naked men.

*Taylor*

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

:( Cat Bad. Cat Omnivore...lol
I lovess my meat. And on the dinner plate too...*Evil grin*
Bad Cat
:bigrin:

[Georgie_Girl]

I've always got mixed feelings about PETA. On one hand, they are an excellent resource for us veg heads, and on the other they do some outrageous things. But I must say, naked females are almost always a good thing. :rainbow:

[jeancarleo]

I was born and raised vegetarian. Going vegan now but i still eat dairy at work since i'm a cook.

i've heard good and bad things about PETA. I dunno how true it is.
But making fuzz about president obama killing a fly? please, we all hate bugging insects and i would have done the same as many of u would which is kill the fly.

There's a lot of vegetarian and vegan celebrities just in case someone wants to be this way. They can get inspired by them ;)

[FalconAngel]

I was born and raised vegetarian. Going vegan now but i still eat dairy at work since i'm a cook.

i've heard good and bad things about PETA. I dunno how true it is.
But making fuzz about president obama killing a fly? please, we all hate bugging insects and i would have done the same as many of u would which is kill the fly.

There's a lot of vegetarian and vegan celebrities just in case someone wants to be this way. They can get inspired by them ;)

Peta is a self-admitted media whore. They will defend the lies that they tell, even after they are shown to be lies. Their arguments are founded in the same kinds of falacies that creationism was and every argument that they have used has, repeatedly, been shot down by empirical evidence every single time.

They are also on the FBI's Terrorist Watch List for their unrepentant support of eco-terrorists and other felons.

Just remember the rule of the jungle (real jungle);
"Vegans.....it's what's for dinner."

[MetaSexual2]

cand86 - The most effective stuff for me personally has been documentaries covering modern farming practices. There has been a number of TV campaigns here in the UK that have changed consumer practices, I'm just not sure that would translate to the US well.

Umm Taylor, Jamie Bamber isn't hot enough for you? :tongue: They have used men a number of times as I said above, they just don't seem to attract as much attention. I have a lot of problems with PETA's positions, but objectification is not chief among them.

Jean - I think the fly thing was a joke, I don't think they had a serious objection to it.

Falcon - PETA does without question blatantly lie about issues concerning animal experimentation. Being on a watch list doesn't mean a lot though, as this was done to a lot of groups for purely political reasons in the last administration. ALF or ELF there is strong justification for monitoring, but I think PETA has tried to distance itself from these groups.

Az - Its really disappointing that groups with a valid ethical argument take to it the absurd extreme so that their original message becomes invalidated. The Greenpeace position on genetically modified crops is another example of this sort of thing. Worse I suppose are groups that have no longer have any valid ethical positions and also continue to use extremist rhetoric. There is an interesting cycle of corruption that happens in any organisation that doesn't effectively accept and adapt to criticism.

[Falke]

Falcon - PETA does without question blatantly lie about issues concerning animal experimentation. Being on a watch list doesn't mean a lot though, as this was done to a lot of groups for purely political reasons in the last administration. ALF or ELF there is strong justification for monitoring, but I think PETA has tried to distance itself from these groups.


Peta has not distanced itself from ALF as far as you would think. They have been known to pay the legal fees of ALF operatives who landed themselves in jail.

Anyhow, if you guys had further questions on this check out www.peta-sucks.com. It's a site that seriously questions peta, however when these points are brought up on peta or pro-AR forums they are typically deleted.

[FalconAngel]

Falcon - PETA does without question blatantly lie about issues concerning animal experimentation. Being on a watch list doesn't mean a lot though, as this was done to a lot of groups for purely political reasons in the last administration. ALF or ELF there is strong justification for monitoring, but I think PETA has tried to distance itself from these groups.


Actually, they have admitted to giving money to people who are eco-terrorists and to organizations that are eco-terrorist organizations. They are on the watch list for a reason and the only reason for them keeping their 501c(3) status is a lot of very extremely expensive lawyers.

But they can afford it.

After all, they get a lot of big money donations from people like Pam Anderson (who just recently opened her own Hamburger restaurant). Bird-brains of a feather.....no offense to birds, who happen to be smarter than Peta followers.

[rissababynta]

I very much so dislike PETA...pretty much the same way that I dislike any organization (or individuals too) that use scare tactics and violent, abusive actions (also verbalized) to push their opinions on others.

[TaylorMade]

cand86 - The most effective stuff for me personally has been documentaries covering modern farming practices. There has been a number of TV campaigns here in the UK that have changed consumer practices, I'm just not sure that would translate to the US well.

Umm Taylor, Jamie Bamber isn't hot enough for you? :tongue: They have used men a number of times as I said above, they just don't seem to attract as much attention. I have a lot of problems with PETA's positions, but objectification is not chief among them.



Who? *google* That's nice. . . .Shirtless? Fuck Shirtless. I want asscheek visibility here. Ginch Gonch do it all the damn time. PETA offers us ONE guy when they have a stable full of women they constantly strip and parade in the name of Animal Welfare?

FUCK. THAT. SHIT.

It's not to the degree or name recognition that they use w/ women. . . PETA's UK campaigns may be more egalitarian, but in the US, the only flesh I see PETA use is female. And I'm not the only one that sees it. (http://thegenderblenderblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/peta/)

Bitch Magazine Furthers the point. . . (http://bitchmagazine.org/post/peta-is-a-bunch-of-bull)

I've written them twice. . .asking why not include some A-list hawt vegetarian males. . .no answer. Fuck them. And all they give me is ONE DUDE? Insult.


*Taylor*

[FalconAngel]

And for those that are not familiar with the depths to which Peta actually does go, here are some of the information that they want to suppress.

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm?headline=3859

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/pressRelease_detail.cfm/release/258

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525039,00.html?test=latestnews

And in another vein.........here's my personal counter-Peta site:

http://www.angelfire.com/bug2/shellpics/

[BareHunter45]

Wait...wait...something is wrong here. I don't understand it. PETA...People Enjoying Tasty Animals. How can they be vegetarians??? Anyway...there is plenty of room for all of gods creatures...right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy....:bigrin:


YEAH...more meat for me!!! besides...how can you kill vegtables...they are there in their beautiful gardens, striving up to reach the bright warm sunlight....there smooth skin glistening and the dew forms on the leaves....they are so happy. On the other hand...watch the cows out in the field...you walk over to them and they walk up to you...they are bored out of their minds...they are looking for anything to do...talking then to the slaughter house and truning them into meat, gives them sometjing to do...a purpose in life...putting them out of their missery.

Bill:bigrin:

[Falke]

Just remember the rule of the jungle (real jungle);
"Vegans.....it's what's for dinner."

Now now, there is no need to bash anyone for what they eat.

[AdamKadmon43]

Actually, they have admitted to giving money to people who are eco-terrorists and to organizations that are eco-terrorist organizations. They are on the watch list for a reason and the only reason for them keeping their 501c(3) status is a lot of very extremely expensive lawyers.



I totally and whole-heartedly agree with you that PETA is an extremist, semi-lunatic organization that has gone off the deep end... Unfortunately, we need such extremist organizations to counter-balance the other extremist, semi-lunuatic groups such as the "American Cattleman's Association" and "The Beef Council" that advocate and promote the consumption of animal products, and individuals (apparently, such as yourself) who basically seem to pre-suppose that it is perfectly acceptable to rape and screw over this planet in the pursuit of obtaining some nice juicy animal products that they don't even need to be eating in the first damned place.... To use up tremendous amounts of the planets resources just so that they can feel well fed and comfortable and waddle about with their bellies hanging over their belts, and requiring hugh amounts of medical treatment to undo the damage that they have done to their hearts and circulatory systems by consuming a bunch of stuff that they could live more healthily without. I won't even bother trying to document the disastrous effects of providing people with meat... You can google as well as I can.

And most especially in a world where the majority of people don't even get enought to eat. (But maybe that has nothing to do with this.... maybe that is because their "god" takes such great joy and delight in watching them starve to death).

So Why don't you give the same fair and balanced and equal treatment to them that you do to that other bunch of aforementioned lunatics ???

Fuck You and the cow you rode in on.

[BrotherJack]

I totally and whole-heartedly agree with you that PETA is an extremist, semi-lunatic organization that has gone off the deep end... Unfortunately, we need such extremist organizations to counter-balance the other extremist, semi-lunuatic groups such as the "American Cattleman's Association" and "The Beef Council" that advocate and promote the consumption of animal products, and individuals (apparently, such as yourself) who basically seem to pre-suppose that it is perfectly acceptable to rape and screw over this planet in the pursuit of obtaining some nice juicy animal products that they don't even need to be eating in the first damned place.... To use up tremendous amounts of the planets resources just so that they can feel well fed and comfortable and waddle about with their bellies hanging over their belts, and requiring hugh amounts of medical treatment to undo the damage that they have done to their hearts and circulatory systems by consuming a bunch of stuff that they could live more healthily without. I won't even bother trying to document the disastrous effects of providing people with meat... You can google as well as I can.

And most especially in a world where the majority of people don't even get enought to eat. (But maybe that has nothing to do with this.... maybe that is because their "god" takes such great joy and delight in watching them starve to death).

So Why don't you give the same fair and balanced and equal treatment to them that you do to that other bunch of aforementioned lunatics ???

Fuck You and the cow you rode in on.


Gee...I saw the first sentence and I though, ''Ooh, a sensible post by lover boy''....but No, I shuld have realised that you would do exactly what you do, in religious forums and threads.....you insult. The man or woman who has to constantly resort to the anger, you have within you (except for me having a go at you), is the the person who loses the argument and has a big problem.

We do not need extremist organisations, in any country. Do you remember me telling you about the guinea pig farm, near to where I live, which bred guinea pigs for medical research (guinea pigs are the only other mammal, barring ourselves, who cannot store vitamin c in the body and their ears are incredibly like our own in structure.....I keep guinea pigs and know someone who in in the industry to help the deaf), was picketed for years.

One night a group of the ''animal lovers'' dug up the body of the farm owner's mother in law! It was not found for many months! The church yard had to be re-consecrated and a whole community...the whole country was horrified by the things that had taken place.

The people were eventually caught.....all people who had decided that though they were educated and quite capable of finding good jobs....the state ought to keep them. In other words, they were parasites.

They are now spending a long time in prison. The lady's body has been re-buried and the farm...well the extremists got their way...it closed. Workers at the farm had been threatened.....businesses supplying the farm with milk, food and even the local public house were all targeted. Such good people...these extremists.

So good that they will raid a mink farm and release the mink...who if they do not escape, will fight with one another and also be traumatised by their release. The mink which escape into the wild will kill the local wild life. Such good people these extremists!!!!

To call the cattle ranchers in your own country extremists is an insult to hard working men and to the work they provide for many people. No one wants the planet raped.....no one wants animals bred for eating, when it is unnecessary....but the human race are not going to become vegetarians overnight. Humans are omnivores by nature, as are many animals.

We can manage without meat, but some people actually benefit from eating non vegetable protein. I tried to follow your example for nearly three years and did not eat meat, but I realised that the vegetarian diet I had was not sufficient. My heart is in vegetarianism...just like many other people....but it doesn't always work out as being right for the individual.

I sometimes think that the diet you follow does not allow sufficient protein...or anything else that the body needs....into your diet. Certainly, the majority of people would find it very difficult to be as strict as you.....and being a vegetarian does not make you more noble than a meat eater.

And why the hell do you have to bring God into every argument or discussion. Can you not be the same as others and post sensibly on a subject and also not resort to insults. You lose the plot and the argument everytime.

[AdamKadmon43]

I sort of figured that one was going to get me in trouble.

[AdamKadmon43]

I can't respond.....

All that I will succeed in doing is getting HER all cranked up again, and you really don't want that to happen.

[BrotherJack]

I can't respond.....

All that I will succeed in doing is getting HER all cranked up again, and you really don't want that to happen.

Silly boy!

Shall we let the thread continue as a very interesting one please?