what is happening to our site....

[mrplayfuluk]

After finding this site 3 years ago and learning a lot about myself as I struggled to understand elements of my sexual identity beyond the heterosexual, I am saddened to watch it being trivialized by one person who's only contribution is to attack everyone and defend himself by saying he's just farting around and doesn't take the site seriously. We all know who he is now and who he has been in the past.

He has come on here under various 'troll' guises and been duly banned by Drew after flaming people with his puerile humour, making personal offensive comments to long standing members and generally made people uncomfortable with his lack of respect for others.

Then when that doesn't work, he then takes on a 'respectable' profile and everything that was said by others about him previously has been borne out since as the rants become progressively nastier, more biphobic and personal.

In this community, we have plenty of entertaining protagonists but they have all done it with intelligence and mutual respect, yet this person displays a clear empathy bypass. From Dark Eyes to Diamond Dog everyone has their opinions and I am happy to welcome anyone to the site and the forums but if commenting on a thread runs the risk of attack which in itself breaks the rules set by Drew, then people will eventually stop posting and the site will really lose its fire and raison d'etre and degenerate into a slanging match which then becomes 'his' site for 'his' entertainment rather than our collective site.

The troll is amongst us now, he has finally revealed himself as someone once said he eventually would, because his insecure ego couldn't cope with rejection. If we are going protect this site then we are going to have to moderate it as a community this time and not just rely on the hand of Drew.

So are we united?

[rissababynta]

I don't actually think he's the troll, I think he was just trying to prove a point.

And after reading this, I'll bet he is going to be proving a LOT of points on this thread, and they won't be all too happy and honky dory.

Think we just opened another can of worms! Woo hoo!:tong:

[csrakate]

I have to agree with Rissa....this person never admitted to being the TROLL...just the "troll" that was being dealt with in this particular case. That being said, I still don't find the humor in his postings nor do I think it was necessary to carry out that little charade just to "stir things up".....In this time when we are faced with our troll on a regular basis, jokes about it are hardly met with laughs no matter how they are intended. And I don't care if the OP of that "Troll" persona is a black man...his depiction of a "ghetto hood" is demeaning to his race....and hardly instills a sense of good morale towards those who may find such comments offensive.

[vittoria]

I dont know what Rissa said...

But I understand his point. I dont see where any "race" has anything to do with it.
Personally, I would've just put the point he is trying to make in an entirely different way. Apparently his way is quite sardonic, sarcastic, and in your face ( see George Carlin, Paul Mooney, Dave Chappelle).

I wouldve merely said.. "For pity the shallow waters in which we swim", and went about my business. If I dont like something someone says, I just ignore them, dont read them, put them on "Permaiggy" as Allbi calls it, and let people be. I've learned that around here in the past year, and its rather refreshing.

[GalacticiaActual]

The problem is that people can't help themselves from entertaining his rhetoric with a response. He's got time to burn, and the replies are the fuel for his fire...

[rissababynta]

I dont know what Rissa said...



I don't think he's the troll, once he reads this he is going to slam the thread because of the accusation and I think we opened a can of worms right here...that better?

[Lonewolf76]

I too don't believe he is our actual troll. However - his approach is not far removed. As mentioned earlier - there are plenty of respectful protagonist on here that sometimes agree to disagree and make for very lively conversations - but they do it with respect, empathy and most importantly maturity. I personally don't care if you are the actual troll or a close facsimile as this one appears to be. If you're going to insult and belittle and scream and shout from your self-righteous soapbox - I have the options of permanently placing you on my ignore list and I will exercise that right as I have done with proseros. Now - He will scream that I am one of the masses that just doesn't "get it". And that's his right to do so. BUt when the vast majority think you are the problem and you think they are the problems - guess who really needs to take a closer look at themselves. He's on my iggy list and will remain there - not because he doesn't see the world my way - but because personally his appraoch is infantile and dispicable. Nuff said. LW

[csrakate]

If I dont like something someone says, I just ignore them, dont read them, put them on "Permaiggy" as Allbi calls it, and let people be. I've learned that around here in the past year, and its rather refreshing.
Ohhh someday I will learn, Vitt....someday!!! LOL!

[csrakate]

I don't think he's the troll, once he reads this he is going to slam the thread because of the accusation and I think we opened a can of worms right here...that better?

Well..I can assure you that it's happening as we speak....It's just a matter of time before he responds.....

[rissababynta]

Well..I can assure you that it's happening as we speak....It's just a matter of time before he responds.....

Oh, I know, the second I read the original post I said "uh oh, here's another thread just waiting to be hijacked" haha.

Eh, he may be spiteful now and NOT respond afterall, cause he knows we all expect it...

Wonder if he'll mention any other part of my body this time around....hmm...just a thought...

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Coming on with multipal personas and talking ebonics is just plain ignorant. I dont care if a person is pink, purple or chartruse, its a manner of conduct, and the trolls dont Have any conduct, except to ridicule, put down, and malighn(sp). That's all they know, that's how they roll.
These individuals have waaay too much time on their hands, and feel superior when they stir up a hornets nest just for the hell of it. Sad. Thats all I can say. :rolleyes:
I dont think Proserus is the Main troll thats been plaging people here, but I think he is a whole different ball of wax to himself. Permaiggy might well be a grand option. :}
Cat

[rissababynta]

Coming on with multipal personas and talking ebonics is just plain ignorant. I dont care if a person is pink, purple or chartruse, its a manner of conduct, and the trolls dont Have any conduct, except to ridicule, put down, and malighn(sp). That's all they know, that's how they roll.
These individuals have waaay too much time on their hands, and feel superior when they stir up a hornets nest just for the hell of it. Sad. Thats all I can say. :rolleyes:
I dont think Proserus is the Main troll thats been plaging people here, but I think he is a whole different ball of wax to himself. Permaiggy might well be a grand option. :}
Cat

Leave it to cat to whip out the chartruse!

[proseros]

For one thing- I got WAY better things to do than be a "troll".

And Like I kEEp TeLLin U biCheZ-mY naMe ainT "troll"! Iz TROOOLLL wid tree eLs!DaMMit!
tee-arra-oh-eL-eL-eL!DaS daMuthaFuKKiN TrooooLLL Bich!
:mad:

As for the OP, lissen-First of all you need to lighten up, grow up and stop taking this shit so seriously (unless you really don't have a life). Yeah that's right I'm calling your ass out in public right here and right now because what YOU are doing is THE VERY THING that lowers the quality of any enjoyable experience anyone would want to have visiting this site. If you gotta a problem with an person
[a] take it up with that person privately
OR
ignore that person and DO YOU!

But try to get everyone else to rally around your personal gripe and boost you out of the fucking weak ass, insubstantial BAG you wanna life in cuz YOU don't like the fact that you got PUNK'D and wanted to create drama where no drama actually existed. I come here to enjoy myself and have fun and that's it. If you are incapable of doing that that is your problem-NOT MINE.

I have never attacked anyone on this site but YES I do have an issue with stuffy, shallow, miserable, tight-wad muthafukkas like YOU who [I]can't wait to find something wrong so they can pick a fight, call the forum police, or try to whip everyone into heeding to thier gestapo like protocols and rules for using the damned Internet.

THIS-as rissa warned- IS THE EXACT HIGH AND MIGHTY BULLSHIT I POSTED ABOUT EARLIER. There you sit, hiding behind a virtual identity, in a virtual world acting like everything is too real for you to handle.

The only thing I've ever tried to do is to get everybody to lighten the fuck up, fall back and get off the merry-go-round of redundant sexual topics and low-brow fake robotic ethics that plague this site. Life is too damend short to hate on people. And it strikes me as quite odd that you opened this thread not long after I mention that I happen to be BLACK. If I didn't know any better I'd say you were using a contrived argument for no other reason to push a racist agenda and get this "NIGGER" [YEAH I SAID IT! WUT!] off YOUR site.

(Forum members gasp, putting hands over mouth: rissa grabs her pearls...a champagne glass breaks...whispers

Oh! How terribeel! Oh bartholemew hold my hand! I think I'm going to faint!
Did he just use the eN word? How cood he?)

So no offense to anyone else here, but playfuluk-
No, i'll let someone else say it-

"pHuCK YoO!YaBichaZZNuggaaaaah!":mad:

P.S.

[1]Vittoria-Don't forget "BoonDocks"

[2]LoneWolf76:

What are gonna do? Ignore everyone and everything that doesn't suit your taste or ethic or whatever it is you want to call it?
It's funny because I have never found any need to do that. If I don't agree with something I simply don't mind it. But then I just might jump in the bullshit, just like I did here, just for the hell of it and just to spice things up a little bit. It aint that serious to me-And it shouldn't be to you. Expecting everything to appeal to our personal tastes and perspectives-especially on the Internet, is not only rediculous, it is DANGEROUS. And it not going to get any better here as long as that kind of attitude persists because sooner or later nothing will be left of this forum BUT the "In crowd". The attitudes and thinking here are the same kind of attitudes and thinking that eventually lead to acts of discrimination, bias, racism and ultimately genocide. Rally around that today and I guarantee you, you will be on the receiving end of it tomorrow or at any time you dare to challenge the status quo or be "different".

[3] Cat:

I appreciate your opinion. But it's what comedians, and impersonationalists, and actors and writers and all kinds of diverse people do-Those people you watch on television and read about in People magazine. As for the activity itself-It's called being human, individual, different and diverse and having fun. If you want to call it "ignorant" go ahead. Your loss as far as I'm concerned.

[4]Everyone else:

I appreciate the fact that most of you are able to think critically enough to know the difference between what a "troll" is and what a "troll" is not.
However-

If you don't want me here, just say so. I will leave, and trust me I'll be glad to get away from some of you pretentious, pompous fake whores, and pray that you don't all nuke each other to nano-dust fighting amongst yourselves for the spotlight. But just keep in mind what I said here-You'll hate me today for all it's worth for the last time and when I'm gone, like the Joker said-


[B]See thier 'morals'...thier code...
It's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble.
They're only as good as the World allows them to be.
You'll see, I'll show ya.
When the chips are down, these, uh, "civilized" people, they'll eat each other.
See I'm not a monster (troll)...
I'm just the head of the Herd."

Oh and rissa-
Feel free to say "I told you so!" at any time...

[rissababynta]

There it is!


...and...I hate to say it...but I told ya so :-/ lol

Pro, one thing, you have stated in previous posts that you weren't going anywhere, now you state that if you're asked to leave then you will. What's going on, do you want to leave or not?

[proseros]

Yes you are right I did state that. But why would I want to stay where I'm not welcome?


YoW!YoO waNNa leeve!?
DeNgiTDaFukkattaheyaRreddY!
Me!I'm hanginwiD riSSa.TryNa giT suMMaDat j00ceEpHatAAZZZ!
:mad:

[csrakate]

LOL pro....I have never known a person named Bartholemew....but thanks for the reverse stereotype LOL!!!

[12voltman59]

WOW!!! I just feel the love energy in this thread!!!

It makes ya feel so warm and fuzzy!!!!:bigrin::bigrin::bigrin:

[vittoria]

WOW!!! I just feel the love energy in this thread!!!

It makes ya feel so warm and fuzzy!!!!:bigrin::bigrin::bigrin:



I know sweetie... makes me glad that I had jaw surgery... No need for jaw flappin ROFL! :impleased

(Bursts into some Elton John: :eek:Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaan you feeeeeeeeeeeeeel the luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuv 2niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite...) :rolleyes:

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

**If you don't want me here, just say so. I will leave, and trust me I'll be glad to get away from some of you pretentious, pompous fake whores, and pray that you don't all nuke each other to nano-dust fighting amongst yourselves for the spotlight.**

Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, Son. Have a nice trip.

[proseros]

Eew deyah!
InDeed Hwat iS happening to owah precious beye-sexshual community refuge!
Hwat with awl theese Eevil terrorist trolls jost infiltrating and infesting evraything with theya noxious nigg-ahdlay behaye-vyor. Have you evvah
herd of ennething mo dastahdly and un-cooth as yoosing Ee-bonics in owah
forem!?
Oh! Hwat shall we do! Hwat shall we do!?
:confused:

Welp-Ucud Start bY cumminovva heyah n givvin a nuggaH suMHeD!
Heyah!PuTDiSiNyaMowF!
NDeNputTiTiNyAAZZZZz!
DaTahttA Makeya FeeL bettA! HAAAHAHAHAHAHA!:mad:


EEeeeeKKKKKK! Ew NeeeeW! TheyaiTiS Agayan!
That Orrible Eevil Troll thing! Oh I cyan't standit !
Get it away!Get it away!AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
:eek:

"Dewnt wurray! I'll save yoo!"
(Forum rescuer comes and beats the trolll off with a broom...)

"That outta do it! Theyatheyanow deyah, all is well now. I've chased it away."
"Ewww! Ahyoo certain it's gone!?"

"Yah, hwell for now ennyway...
Oh Rickay...cawl the authoritays straight away will you!?Tell them theyahs a troll afoot and that Ma'daam's been attacked! Perhaps theyahs still time to catch it."

"Certainly mastah Bah-tholem-Eew..."

[BrotherJack]

It amazes me, that aman can ber so arrogant......No, strike that...it does not amaze me. Whether or not you are the actual ''troll,'' you have managed to insult people in much the same way, in these recent posts. I agree with many of the points you make (but heck, do you think I'm gonna tell you), but your arrogance is such, that every reply to your posts, is easily denounced and torn into shreds.

I observed the many threads started when the ''troll,'' was most active and I used to think...''Why don't people just ignore the thing, then the person will get bored and stop.'' However it is not always so easy to ignore such events, especially if insults are being hurled! Whilst I do not believe in removing posts, because I think that freedom of speech, should mean that they are left, as they are, so that all can see what a load of crap they are....I understand why the owner would wish to do so.

You seem to think that people on this site behave differently from people on sites devoted to thousabds of other subjects. Wrong!!! People are just people and will behave in much the same manner.....what ever they are about...what ever language they speak...whichever country they happen to reside in.

You made a big mistake.....You brought out the race card. That shows weakness, not strength. Maybe you feel that you know the colour of every individual here....or even their sexuality. Unless a person states their race, creed or colour....and does not have a photograph....there is no way of knowing if they are black, white, brown, or any other colour.

This site has some very intelligent people visiting it. I have chatted to some of them in private. The same can be said for any other web site....whatever the subject matter. I say this as a heterosexual female, who never, ever expected to post in the forum of a site aimed at bisexuals.

Yes....some people may have attitudes which could lead one to think that these people feel they own a site...any site.......Yes there may be cliques....but this will happen on any web site. I have not seen people insult you, but you have insulted others in your recent postings. These people will probably be the ones you accuse of wanting things to be cosy and no one rocking the boat. here I possibly agree with you. I sometimes feel that the people visiting the site want it to become some sort of bisexual enclave, and in the real world, such things do not happen. However, I understand why these people should feel this way and if you don't like one particular ''world view''.....there are many others to talk to.

Yes, I agree that some types of debate and chat are missing......but for them to exist....people have to be around who want to debate certain issues. What needs to be remembered, is this......No subject should ever be outlawed as not suitable for discussion.

You have really gone about things the wrong way Proseros. If you are the ''troll,'' then you did something which was not at all clever, humorous or sophisticated. You just upset people! If you aren't the ''troll,'' then some other person was being a fool.

You don't want debate or discussion.....You want to dominate and have only your own views taken into account. You have shot down every reply to your posts and answered them with insults....Not clever!!!! You remind me me of another multiple names using person, I know, who has absolutely no respect for anyone or their views, on this or any other site. It's all a big game.....a teenage hoot.

Well Proseros......the feelings of other people are not a game. Grow up!!

Whilst i do agree with many of the points you make.....I find myself agrreing, on a general basis with people like Rissa and Kate.

You have garnered no followers........you will reap no harvest!!!

[BrotherJack]

I apologise for my typographical errors

[proseros]

but your arrogance is such, that every reply to your posts, is easily denounced and torn into shreds.

No I don't think so. There is a difference between denouncing and debating.
And if an argument gets shredded so easily then it didn't hold any weight to begin with. I don't denounce anyone as much as I am denounced.


You made a big mistake.....You brought out the race card. That shows weakness, not strength. Maybe you feel that you know the colour of every individual here....or even their sexuality. Unless a person states their race, creed or colour....and does not have a photograph....there is no way of knowing if they are black, white, brown, or any other colour.

No I don't think so. Perhaps you ought to go back and read it again.
And my experience has taught me that if that "card" is pulled, it's usually-not always, but usually-legitmate. Unfortunately racism is usally masked as some other thing so cleverly that the bruises don't show. Of course I can't climb into anyone's head and tell what they are thinking, but I've been hit by the same car enough times to know the make and model. Unless you understand that experience you wouldn't know.


You seem to think that people on this site behave differently from people on sites devoted to thousabds of other subjects. Wrong!!! People are just people and will behave in much the same manner.....what ever they are about...what ever language they speak...whichever country they happen to reside in.

I'm not dealing with any other 'site' than this one. So the point is moot from where I'm standing.

blahblahblahblah...none of the trol issue is relevant since it doesn't apply to me.


Well Proseros......the feelings of other people are not a game. Grow up!!

Feelings aren't facts, and those who invest thier feelings in anything said anonymously on the Internet as far as I'm concerned, are the one's who should grow up. Like I said- I don't take any of this seriously, and I am quite capable of knowing how to think critically enough to know when perhaps I should or not. THIS for instance is not one of those cases, which is why you see I've completely mocked the context of some subjects.

But let me ask you something? Do you think it is mature or healthy to start threads demonizing people and then when they respond, defend themselves, press the ignore button or completely drop out of the discussion that they start? Take a good look through every thread/post I've started or started shit in. I don't come in here and make accusations, or attack someone and then disappear-I am always very careful and respectful enough to qualify my own statements with a running debate-that is if anyone wants oto debate the issue in a mature and meaningful way rather than just demonize and dismiss in a childish and biased way. Besides that, there is no reason I should have be on the defensive or afraid to express myself when I choose to come around and perhaps, post a point of view that noone else is ready for. And that is exactly what a lot of people here try to do, which again is why I started the thread asking what ks makes thier experience here meaningful. For some, it means looking for trolls or offbeat members to demonize.

You see just like I'm debating your points here? I don't have to agree and niether do you. But most of the time there is no discussion. People will make up thier minds that you're an asshole and nothing you say has any merit, or importance or value-and THAT has all the underpinnings of hatred, bias and racism even without coming right out and saying it, because it suggests that someone has LESS VALUE AS AN INDIVIDUAL than everyone else who is in agreement-ie, "cliqued". I'm always amazed at how many times and ways I say the same things over and over and everyone pretends as though I've said absolutely nothing.

That's not accidental.That's deliberate.

[rissababynta]

[QUOTE=BrotherJack;123692]

You made a big mistake.....You brought out the race card. That shows weakness, not strength. Maybe you feel that you know the colour of every individual here....or even their sexuality. Unless a person states their race, creed or colour....and does not have a photograph....there is no way of knowing if they are black, white, brown, or any other colour.

QUOTE]


Yeah, I didn't want to comment on the race thing cause I thought "oh that figures" when that door was opened...however, I do have to agree with you here.

This thread was started after the statement of being black, yes, but are we forgetting the 2 days of insulting posts? Yeah, guess that's not as important as being black.

[proseros]

Oh-

And I WISH people would stop accusing me of "attacking" anyone or anything. Believe me if I wanted to ATTACK someone, I would.

[proseros]

Yeah, I didn't want to comment on the race thing cause I thought "oh that figures" when that door was opened...however, I do have to agree with you here.

This thread was started after the statement of being black, yes, but are we forgetting the 2 days of insulting posts? Yeah, guess that's not as important as being black.

Insulting posts?
Where?
Point them out to me rissa...Show me where I have deliberately intentionally insulted anyone. Now be careful because there is difference between someone doing something to you and FEELING like someone has done something to you. I'm not responsible for what people choose to feel. And maybe you disagree with that, but them maybe I've a tougher hide and realize that I don't have to be insulted if I don't want to be.

While I'm here I'll tellyou something else. That troll you all talk about so much-I received two, not one but TWO EXTREMELY VICIOUS, RACIST e-mails from someone on THIS site about two weeks ago.

It took all of this, for me to even remember that I got those e-mails and deleted them.
So for all the folks buggin out over trolls real or fake- I think, as you already know from the Blackout skit-its all quite silly and fanatically paranoid.

[vittoria]

Unfortunately racism is usually masked as some other thing so cleverly that the bruises don't show. Of course I can't climb into anyone's head and tell what they are thinking, but I've been hit by the same car enough times to know the make and model. Unless you understand that experience you wouldn't know.

You've put that one paragraph WAY better than I've tried to explain it... pardon me if I borrow it :)

[csrakate]

I And I don't care if the OP of that "Troll" persona is a black man...his depiction of a "ghetto hood" is demeaning to his race....and hardly instills a sense of good morale towards those who may find such comments offensive.
If I started a race card issue with this statement then I do apologize. I never meant for it to be construed as such. I was mostly referring to the insults that this "persona" has dished out and to make mention of it in racial terms was a mistake on my part and one that I truly regret making. I don't care what color anyone is, if you insult other members of this group, even if you are doing so under the veil of an assumed identity, you are being hurtful and mean.....and mentioning race was a big mistake....race has nothing and should have nothing to do with it at all. Rude it rude no matter where it comes from or how it's delivered. My apologies for speaking out of turn and I hope we can move away from the race issue and return to simple decorum and polite demeanor.

[rissababynta]

well you did call "some" people here fake whores...

[Doggie_Wood]

For one thing- I got WAY better things to do than be a "troll".

And Like I kEEp TeLLin U biCheZ-mY naMe ainT "troll"! Iz TROOOLLL wid tree eLs!DaMMit!
tee-arra-oh-eL-eL-eL!DaS daMuthaFuKKiN TrooooLLL Bich!
:mad:

Is that TROOOLLL with three O's or TROOOOLLLb with four O's?:tong:

:doggie: Doggie

[proseros]

If I started a race card issue with this statement then I do apologize. I never meant for it to be construed as such. I was mostly referring to the insults that this "persona" has dished out and to make mention of it in racial terms was a mistake on my part and one that I truly regret making. I don't care what color anyone is, if you insult other members of this group, even if you are doing so under the veil of an assumed identity, you are being hurtful and mean.....and mentioning race was a big mistake....race has nothing and should have nothing to do with it at all. Rude it rude no matter where it comes from or how it's delivered. My apologies for speaking out of turn and I hope we can move away from the race issue and return to simple decorum and polite demeanor.

I aint mad atchya. But I just wanna skool you on somethings for a minute okay.
Check it. Its called "culturally parody or "skit". I do it often. And that little "foul mouthed ghetto hood rat", as uncouth as it may seem to you, is part of my cultural every day existence. That doesn't make it bad, or insulting or anything. The little "trolll"--

Yobetta SpeLLit Rite!I'm tiyadayawl mesSinuP Myname! SHit!:mad:

never insulted anyone or said anything bad about anyone "it" didn't think otherwise would deserve to be "checked" on thier shit, as it were. But those of us you have enough depth to "get it" understand where it coming from and where its going and its all in good fun. I used to be offended by the 'N' word so bad I was ready to box anyone in the mouth who uttered it. But after while-and moreso considering what my good friend Paul Monney said about that whole thing-I didn't make that shit up! It was here when I got here, and it'll be here when I leave, and it makes no sense for me to waste my energy getting bent out of shape over something that I didn't create.

"TroLLL" doesn't hate anyone, it's not a racist; It might seem rude to anyone who's been under a rock too long to recognize that there are different kinds of people in the word and just because they walk and talk different that others have been used to, doesn't make them unethical, or immoral.

DaSrite!DonsTartNOsHitwontBeeznOShiT!
WekiNbeKooLn Awllat! ButiF UTryDaplaY mE Imma BlazeYaAaZZ!
We AwLizHur TaCHiLL n havvaGooD TimeNsHit-But ToOmennY Peepoo
WaNNaBe Actin LikDay Awllat, liKeDeyBeTTadaN SumBoDDy ElsE
Awllat SHiTiZ FaKeTaMe, AnImmatypeNuggaH donBfEElinaTsHit:mad:

See my good bruthah cause I can read, write and spell--And speak proper
English as well. I am educated and being a person of color (just happened to be blue at the moment) don't eat whatever is put on my plate. You dig?
I only try to present where I'm coming from in a diverse and refreshing way-And if people aren't used to that or can't get with it, hey that ain't my problem...But I shouldn't be expect to be what suits anyone else's sense of ethic or morale just because they don't roll the way I do. All I can do is try to understand where they're coming from. But if they're coming from a place that ain't real, and that is not based on thier own ability to think and express themselves for who they are and what they think for themselves, well-Like I say, I just am not feeling that. You dig?
:cool:

[rissababynta]

You don't have to be living under a rock to think that telling someone that you want to stick your dick in their "phataaazzz" is rude hon :tong:

[Doggie_Wood]

The little "trolll"--

Yobetta SpeLLit Rite!I'm tiyadayawl mesSinuP Myname! SHit!:mad:

"TroLLL" doesn't ........


Or is it "TROLLL" with only one O -
Now, cum on - tell us like it is - One - Three - or Four???

Doggie :doggie:

[rissababynta]

Lmao Doggie!

[csrakate]

I aint mad atchya. But I just wanna skool you on somethings for a minute okay.
Check it. Its called "culturally parody or "skit". I do it often. And that little "foul mouthed ghetto hood rat", as uncouth as it may seem to you, is part of my cultural every day existence. That doesn't make it bad, or insulting or anything. The little "trolll"--

Yobetta SpeLLit Rite!I'm tiyadayawl mesSinuP Myname! SHit!:mad:

never insulted anyone or said anything bad about anyone "it" didn't think otherwise would deserve to be "checked" on thier shit, as it were. But those of us you have enough depth to "get it" understand where it coming from and where its going and its all in good fun. I used to be offended by the 'N' word so bad I was ready to box anyone in the mouth who uttered it. But after while-and moreso considering what my good friend Paul Monney said about that whole thing-I didn't make that shit up! It was here when I got here, and it'll be here when I leave, and it makes no sense for me to waste my energy getting bent out of shape over something that I didn't create.

"TroLLL" doesn't hate anyone, it's not a racist; It might seem rude to anyone who's been under a rock too long to recognize that there are different kinds of people in the word and just because they walk and talk different that others have been used to, doesn't make them unethical, or immoral.



Well suh, Ah do declare....consider me "schooled" and while we're doing so, try to see things in MY lil' ol' perspective.....taken from where I have been taught and what I have been raised around. I am a middle aged suburban woman who has been raised in the South and despite what you may think about the South, I am not racist nor have I ever been. I'm just a product of my times and of my environment just like you. We were raised to be polite and taught that name calling at any point is never acceptable....even if it's said in jest.....and sorry if that is old school or old fashioned....it's just the way I was raised. Not saying it's right or any better than your way...but my way nonetheless. So Pardon me for misinterpreting your comments....they are alien to me. And while I appreciate your efforts to enlighten me, I would also appreciate it if you could at least understand why I may have considered your rants to be offensive. Call it an age gap or a cultural difference....but I am willing to be accepting enough to learn of other ways and only wish the same in return. I haven't been under a rock...just not hanging out among younger folks that may choose to talk as you do. Plain and simple.

[BrotherJack]

Well suh, Ah do declare....consider me "schooled" and while we're doing so, try to see things in MY lil' ol' perspective.....taken from where I have been taught and what I have been raised around. I am a middle aged suburban woman who has been raised in the South and despite what you may think about the South, I am not racist nor have I ever been. I'm just a product of my times and of my environment just like you. We were raised to be polite and taught that name calling at any point is never acceptable....even if it's said in jest.....and sorry if that is old school or old fashioned....it's just the way I was raised. Not saying it's right or any better than your way...but my way nonetheless. So Pardon me for misinterpreting your comments....they are alien to me. And while I appreciate your efforts to enlighten me, I would also appreciate it if you could at least understand why I may have considered your rants to be offensive. Call it an age gap or a cultural difference....but I am willing to be accepting enough to learn of other ways and only wish the same in return. I haven't been under a rock...just not hanging out among younger folks that may choose to talk as you do. Plain and simple.


Oh, Kate!....So well put, very well indeed!

[rissababynta]

Kate is a lady

[Lienda]

Whatever is done now needs to be handled more quietly, and the troll (whoever they are) warned and banned, because this is getting old and people expect trolls more now. :sleep: This has been going on publicaly long enough.

[rissababynta]

Whatever is done now needs to be handled more quietly, and the troll (whoever they are) warned and banned, because this is getting old and people expect trolls more now. :sleep: This has been going on publicaly long enough.

The troll is banned all the time, they keep coming back. That's the problem.

[aisuhi]

Trolls live under bridges dont they LOL:) Riss states a can of worms got opened, I agree. along with Cherokee I dont care about race or color or religion I am a Buddhist my self, it is the character. Forgive the language please but whom ever this "troll" is just ignore him/ her dont talk to him/ her, best of all dont say anything or start threads to get his goat and that, my friends will, say F)*( and stop this nonsense.


Have A great night folks I am off to bed. I hope I can cross the next bridge and not get eaten by the "troll" who lives under it. LOL:male::male::female::female:

CHEERS NAMASTE
Chris:three::flag2::flag3:;):2cents::2cents::2cent s::2cents::rolleyes:

[rissababynta]

Sigh *fights off urge to post youtube of Dora the Explorer's Grumpy Old Troll clip again*

[Doggiestyle]

:bigrin:..... Sticks and stones may break my bones....:yikes2:

:cool:..... But whips and chains excite me........:tong:

:rolleyes:..... I just get soooooo hot when they talk dirty to me. So do it again.


Your friend.....Doggie......:doggie:.........:flag3:

[vittoria]

:bigrin:..... Sticks and stones may break my bones....:yikes2:

:cool:..... But whips and chains excite me........:tong:

:rolleyes:..... I just get soooooo hot when they talk dirty to me. So do it again.


Your friend.....Doggie......:doggie:.........:flag3:

Awesome, autre Doggie! :)

[void()]

proseros,

Addressing you directly here for a purpose. Want to have the air cleared as simply as may be.

1. What you see here is what you get.

I don't believe in being dishonest. Yes, I can weave a good yarn or two, in order to entertain. But that is completely different than blatant deception. I do not deceive others while on this site.

I genuinely care for people who visit the site. There are no colors, creeds, genders in plain text. I don't see them at any given, even if told. For me it is matter of grave thought, after you are in the grave your flag turns to dust, same as mine.

So, what you see of me here is pretty spot on how I am in person.

2. Seriousness eats rotten toe jam.

I agree that living, reality are harsh. And it is acceptable to enjoy some fun here on the site. That noted, I also think it is wrong to assail others for mere amusement. The least it proves is your immaturity. (I'm speaking not directly to you, but you as in whoever does such, here.)

You, directly, have came quite close to having lost someone who might actually understand your point of view/s. You did so by insulting several people here by 'poking fun' to 'teach'. Plenty of folks here are more than capable of understanding basic human respect, dignity. No need to say they don't and spit in their faces.

But yes, I concur. Life is too short for seriousness. Apologies for this missive but you compelled it, by your words and actions. Indeed feelings aren't factual but words can and do at times pack a punch. Stop pummeling long enough to let some of us draw breath, please?

"Walk in the light, never alone fear the night."

Thank you for reading.

[_Joe_]

I dont know why folks dont treat the trolls like dandruff. brush them off and move along and act like it's not even there. Well, dont act like, it use some better shampoo. that's if its dandruff, because forum trolls are hard to get shampoo on unless you see them in person, then their cooties jump onto you.
Ya
Ok so forum trolls are like farts in the elevator.

Just hold your breath then walk away as soon as you can.

THey eventually get bored talking to themselves and dissipitate.

[rissababynta]

*buys some Head and Shoulders: Troll Strength*

[rissababynta]

proseros,

Addressing you directly here for a purpose. Want to have the air cleared as simply as may be.

1. What you see here is what you get.

I don't believe in being dishonest. Yes, I can weave a good yarn or two, in order to entertain. But that is completely different than blatant deception. I do not deceive others while on this site.

I genuinely care for people who visit the site. There are no colors, creeds, genders in plain text. I don't see them at any given, even if told. For me it is matter of grave thought, after you are in the grave your flag turns to dust, same as mine.

So, what you see of me here is pretty spot on how I am in person.

2. Seriousness eats rotten toe jam.

I agree that living, reality are harsh. And it is acceptable to enjoy some fun here on the site. That noted, I also think it is wrong to assail others for mere amusement. The least it proves is your immaturity. (I'm speaking not directly to you, but you as in whoever does such, here.)

You, directly, have came quite close to having lost someone who might actually understand your point of view/s. You did so by insulting several people here by 'poking fun' to 'teach'. Plenty of folks here are more than capable of understanding basic human respect, dignity. No need to say they don't and spit in their faces.

But yes, I concur. Life is too short for seriousness. Apologies for this missive but you compelled it, by your words and actions. Indeed feelings aren't factual but words can and do at times pack a punch. Stop pummeling long enough to let some of us draw breath, please?

"Walk in the light, never alone fear the night."

Thank you for reading.


Void, I agree with you here, but unfortunately explaining that he is insulting people is pointless. He will just insist that he has never insulted anyone, and then make you point out where he has. In reality, he is hiding behind his sarcasm and words things in such a way that he never come right out and says "You're an asshole" or "You're a moron" so no matter how much he implies of anyone, he leaves himself a way to find a rather obnoxious loophole.

We all know what he's doing and what he's saying, and he knows damn well too, but it doesn't matter because he will still argue the fact.

[rissababynta]

And even though he is gone, please all understand that he is not "gone". He'll still be keeping tabs, the same way as when he starts a thread, and that is practically the only thread he stares at all day waiting for responses. He's too curious to be able to leave this site and not somehow check in from time to time. Lookin forward to seein ya again Pro! *salutes*

[Doggie_Wood]

Did I drive him off - by making him try to count the "O"s in Trolll?? ;)
:bigrin:

Doggie :doggie:

Bad :cop: - no donut!

[rissababynta]

lmao!

[shybipinay]

Not that we wish to wade into the Troll BS, but we thought the following was spot on!

"Ok so forum trolls are like farts in the elevator." LMAO!!!

It's really sad to be watching this site deteriorate because of one person's attitude. For another take on "attitude", see also: Charles Swindoll. Definitely, this forum need some altitude.

For those who believe in the Devil, we all know that his best weapon is to pit others against each other. Look how well the devil has done with the Divorce industry!

Please people, don't allow yourselves to be pitted against each other. Let's get back to loving and caring about each other. We should even love and care for this sad troll. Do not give the Devil a wedge/foothold. Ignoring him is the best policy. Ya'll got the right idea with all your comments and suggestions for dealing with this. Do it and let's get to the love.

Oh and Dogwood, you are just too damn funny!!!! You do know how to put the right words to a given situation. Very impressive! Thanks for the laughs and insight.

To Void_dweller: Very well written comments to our forum friend. Just didn't want to extend the page by quoting the whole message again.

[vittoria]

Not that we wish to wade into the Troll BS, but we thought the following was spot on!

"Ok so forum trolls are like farts in the elevator." LMAO!!!

It's really sad to be watching this site deteriorate because of one person's attitude. For another take on "attitude", see also: Charles Swindoll. Definitely, this forum need some altitude.

For those who believe in the Devil, we all know that his best weapon is to pit others against each other. Look how well the devil has done with the Divorce industry!

Please people, don't allow yourselves to be pitted against each other. Let's get back to loving and caring about each other. We should even love and care for this sad troll. Do not give the Devil a wedge/foothold. Ignoring him is the best policy. Ya'll got the right idea with all your comments and suggestions for dealing with this. Do it and let's get to the love.

Oh and Dogwood, you are just too damn funny!!!! You do know how to put the right words to a given situation. Very impressive! Thanks for the laughs and insight.

To Void_dweller: Very well written comments to our forum friend. Just didn't want to extend the page by quoting the whole message again.


Yes, Charles Swindoll did say we are in charge of our attitudes. But everyone misses his point...

"Life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I react to it... and so it is with you... we are in charge of our attitudes." All this crap was NINETY PERCENT how "we" CHOSE to react to it.

Now let me tell ya somethin...

I dont like people infringing on copyrighted material ("I dont have attitude, I have Altitude... rise above the bullshit"--I wrote that, came up with that... I have no intention of seeing/hearing it on television next month out of someone else's mouth like they came up with it all by themselves and they aint payin me!) But something else that's irritating is that everyone missed the point that the person who got banned was trying to make.

Everyone is so damn thin skinned, always looking for a "whipping boy", looking for those "people under the stairs", that the back biting and the he said/she said and the "who's the next on the enemy list" and all that jazz gets everyone's panties in a bunch and everyone goes on a lynch fest with fiery torches and pitchforks and nooses and burning crosses and any other old damn thing they like. Like the Salem witch trials. Hasnt anyone read 1984? Anyone read a book? When I was a kid in school, we called it "reading with comprehension". I know now as an adult that those book reports were to see who is just superficially understanding whats going on in the world around them and who actually pays attention to detail, looks for something called context clues, anything that might show a sign of reasoning ability.
(Graduated with a 4.5. Woohoo.) The things that are going on, on this site, is just a sampling of what's going on in the world today. People are so quick to jump on a bandwagon without taking the time to see someone else's point of view like Pavlov's dog. People are becoming more and more superficial--so surface, so shallow, ergo my earlier phrase For Pity the shallow waters in which we swim. Really dont care if I'm next on the Bisexual.com chopping block for being a thinking human that, to quote the movie Auntie Mame starring Rosalind Russell, doesnt have "braces on the brains", this ever so growing "exclusive" community where its apparently more important to think with one's privates than with one's organic computating device aka the human brain. And to think all this crap got started because someone took the time to notice that I wrote a post titled "Dick, Balls, Pussy"--just to get the attention of superficial humans that dont give serious thought the time of day--and the banned person noticed it for the damn shame it is.

Wow.

:2cents:

[rissababynta]

I'm not understanding why people keep saying that we're all about sex and threads about sex is of no ones interest here. I've seen many threads on this site that did not have to do with sex, and they had many peope responding. Did I miss something?

Personally I could't care less if this site was literally nothing but sex anyway because that is what I prepared myself for when I signed up with a website called bisexual.com, but that's just me. I don't need sexual inuendos slammed in my face all the time, and I don't wish to push it in others either, which is why I like coming here. I know that it's not a constant thing.

[rdy2go]

Geeez! One wanker can sure cause an uproar. This troll seems to get awfully upset when others do the same to him as he does to them. Troll... Bud, if you're gonna dish it out, you have to be ready to get as good as you give. It's the way of the world.:2cents:

[rolandiscool]

I thought trolls were old people who try to hit on us younger guys/girls?

[Lonewolf76]

I'm sorry Vitorria, but I just don't get it. I graduated with honors from college and a 4.0 GPA -and yes I do read plenty. Point 1 - There are plenty of other topics on this site that deal with a wide variety of issues that are NOT sex or sex related. So I don't understand the complaint concerning all we're interested in is sex on this site - simply not true. Point 2 - I love a great debate as well as the next person - I LOVE it when someone doesn't agree with me because it FORCES me to step back and look from varying degrees of perspective and that is how I learn and grow. Having said that - IMHO - there is a VAST difference between disagreeing with someone and being totally negative, nasty and in some places down right hateful. I'm going to use RISSA as an example -because she was one of the ones singled out by our fiend (oops did I mispell friend?) Proseros. It would be one thing to TOTALLY disagree with Rissa and her points - but what good comes from calling her a fatass? Have we sank that low. Has respect for each other gone into the shitter that far that not only can one person interact with another person on such a low level - but they actually get someone to defend them and their lowlife actions!?? What am I missing here? Its the old classic saying - It wasn't WHAT he said - it was HOW he said it. He may NOT have been our resident troll - but his negativity came damn close. Am I to believe that we are supposed to sit back quietly and let some random idiot spout Venom and asassinate someone and we not only remail silent we justify his actions. If that behavior is tolerated THEN WE BECOME SUPERFICIAL AND SHALLOW. Speaking out against that kind of negativity is not. You may not agree with me - but if defending someone is in your words making me thin skinned and superficial and shallow - then I for one am damned happy to be so. LW

[rissababynta]

I'm sorry Vitorria, but I just don't get it. I graduated with honors from college and a 4.0 GPA -and yes I do read plenty. Point 1 - There are plenty of other topics on this site that deal with a wide variety of issues that are NOT sex or sex related. So I don't understand the complaint concerning all we're interested in is sex on this site - simply not true. Point 2 - I love a great debate as well as the next person - I LOVE it when someone doesn't agree with me because it FORCES me to step back and look from varying degrees of perspective and that is how I learn and grow. Having said that - IMHO - there is a VAST difference between disagreeing with someone and being totally negative, nasty and in some places down right hateful. I'm going to use RISSA as an example -because she was one of the ones singled out by our fiend (oops did I mispell friend?) Proseros. It would be one thing to TOTALLY disagree with Rissa and her points - but what good comes from calling her a fatass? Have we sank that low. Has respect for each other gone into the shitter that far that not only can one person interact with another person on such a low level - but they actually get someone to defend them and their lowlife actions!?? What am I missing here? Its the old classic saying - It wasn't WHAT he said - it was HOW he said it. He may NOT have been our resident troll - but his negativity came damn close. Am I to believe that we are supposed to sit back quietly and let some random idiot spout Venom and asassinate someone and we not only remail silent we justify his actions. If that behavior is tolerated THEN WE BECOME SUPERFICIAL AND SHALLOW. Speaking out against that kind of negativity is not. You may not agree with me - but if defending someone is in your words making me thin skinned and superficial and shallow - then I for one am damned happy to be so. LW

Thanks Wolfie m'dear. I agree with you. However I do have to correct you...

...I was called a "phatazz" :)

[Lonewolf76]

Thanks Wolfie m'dear. I agree with you. However I do have to correct you...

...I was called a "phatazz" :)

OOPS! I stand corrected!!! LW :-)

[rissababynta]

Actually, let me correct MYSELF...I don't think I was actually called a phatazz, I think I was told that I had a phatazz lol.

[csrakate]

Vitt,

Just wanted to add....whenever someone gets banned...their profile states just that...BANNED....it looks to me that Pro had his profile REMOVED. Had he been banned, his posts would have disappeared as well. This has NOT happened. So don't be too quick to accuse any of us of having him as a whipping boy....looks to me as if he chose to leave!

(For example..check out post #31...it's still there...the one where he suggested that I and others like me had been living under a rock since I had no familiarity with his banter...and according to you, it's ok for him to demean us or cast dispersions upon our character...but we must sit in silence? At least I tried to accept the error of my assumptions and merely asked the same of him in my response in post #35. Strange how he never gave me the courtesy of a reply....and goodness knows I saw him staring at this thread numerous times afterwards in the who's online menu....Was he lost for words then???)

[rissababynta]

Just wanted to add....whenever someone gets banned...their profile states just that...BANNED....it looks to me that Pro had his profile REMOVED. Had he been banned, his posts would have disappeared as well. This has NOT happened. So don't be too quick to accuse any of us of having him as a whipping boy....looks to me as if he chose to leave!

Oh God THANK YOU! I didn't see banned like I normaly do so I had assumed that he had voluntarily left, but when Vitt said he was banned I thought she kew something I didn't. At least I'm not going crazy and you kinda confirmed for me that I was right lol.

[Doggiestyle]

I was lookin thru my "merry webster, dick-shun-nary" for a word today and I happened on the word TROLL so I read it and he said, said he. :bigrin:

TROLL---verb
1---to sing the parts of (a song) in sucession
2---to fish by trailing a lure or baited hook from a moving boat
3---to sing or play jovially

Yep thats what Mr. Merriam Webster said........SO I AM WONDERING, Mr Proseros. Does that describe you? Do you do all that? All at once???? WOW, no wonder everbody has such low opinion of you. Ohooooooooo, to be a verb and do such SINFUL things!!!!! Just cause your older and wiser dosen't make you a pro-verb. But there may be hope for you yet cause at least you haven't gone to the AD-VERB state yet. :eek2: Hey, if youre lucky you might get from the Govt. a few mill-yuns to study youre condition. Oh well just a suggestion. So don't let them get you down Mr Proseros cause if you would just quit bein a verb and doin the before-mentioned things, then everbody would be happier.
And try to remember that "when things are hard" just don't forget that "it's gotta be hard to be any good". ;) Well thats my:2cents:on the situation.
All this made me think that I had better go out to my fishin boat and get rid of it's trolling motor before somebody sees it and gets the wrong opinion of me too.........Oh well :rolleyes:

E-nuff said 4 now. Your friend, Doggie........:doggie:........:flag2:

[diB4u]

I have no idea what is happening here.... For the most part I'm clueless... Meh that describes me lol.

But for my :2cents: or 2 pence in English money, lol.. if a person does not like what is being said in a particular site why go there?

Sorry I have a naive charm about myself.

[12voltman59]

I think that Proseros must have deleted his profile--it does not say he was banned---even if to some---he was an unpleaseant person---his actions never rose to being banned by Drew-----

[mrplayfuluk]

I'm sorry Vitorria, but I just don't get it. I graduated with honors from college and a 4.0 GPA -and yes I do read plenty. Point 1 - There are plenty of other topics on this site that deal with a wide variety of issues that are NOT sex or sex related. So I don't understand the complaint concerning all we're interested in is sex on this site - simply not true. Point 2 - I love a great debate as well as the next person - I LOVE it when someone doesn't agree with me because it FORCES me to step back and look from varying degrees of perspective and that is how I learn and grow. Having said that - IMHO - there is a VAST difference between disagreeing with someone and being totally negative, nasty and in some places down right hateful. I'm going to use RISSA as an example -because she was one of the ones singled out by our fiend (oops did I mispell friend?) Proseros. It would be one thing to TOTALLY disagree with Rissa and her points - but what good comes from calling her a fatass? Have we sank that low. Has respect for each other gone into the shitter that far that not only can one person interact with another person on such a low level - but they actually get someone to defend them and their lowlife actions!?? What am I missing here? Its the old classic saying - It wasn't WHAT he said - it was HOW he said it. He may NOT have been our resident troll - but his negativity came damn close. Am I to believe that we are supposed to sit back quietly and let some random idiot spout Venom and asassinate someone and we not only remail silent we justify his actions. If that behavior is tolerated THEN WE BECOME SUPERFICIAL AND SHALLOW. Speaking out against that kind of negativity is not. You may not agree with me - but if defending someone is in your words making me thin skinned and superficial and shallow - then I for one am damned happy to be so. LW

as the orginator of the thread I felt it only right that I return to comment on what has unfolded. When I saw that Pro had accused me of being racist I was upset as half my family are mixed race so that was way off the mark and I didn't make the connection with hip hop speak or even that he was Blackout who himself was banned; to me he was behaving like the trolls we had had before. It made it hard to respond as I knew I would be attacked again. I also realized after writing it that it might just bring the bully out to blow out all his issues; to be fair I never named him but he certainly took the bait.

So I applaud the comments that have come through genuine indignation at what has been going on, I also apologize to anyone on this thread who joined my position and got abused because of it. I have referenced Lonewolf as you have said it in a better I could, but I am not here to point fingers as I respect everyone's views. This site isn't precious and I have taken opposing sides on many debates that are beyond sex, as regulars know. How could I forget the Gaza debate and I did get a little heated way back on the circumcision one too (blushes), if we have to mention sex. I come here for open debate and enjoy sharing thoughts with like minded fellows well at least sexually :) , not to risk attack everytime I chose to contribute. I am as British as Dark Eyes sometimes I admit and I'm not the most social in the chatroom but I care about this site and to see people scared off by willful nihilism really got my goat. The storm has passed for now (looks over shoulder) but we did ironically manage to moderate on our own with Drew stepping in, which is what I meant from the start. I actually miss ole Diamond Dog... he would have seen off any trolls; hope Prosperos didn't scare HIM off!!

[Annika L]

I was lookin thru my "merry webster, dick-shun-nary" for a word today and I happened on the word TROLL so I read it and he said, said he. :bigrin:

TROLL---verb
1---to sing the parts of (a song) in sucession
2---to fish by trailing a lure or baited hook from a moving boat
3---to sing or play jovially



#2 above sounds like an exact match to me.

I'm sorry...did I miss something or..."*HAD* HIS PROFILE REMOVED"??

I have seen any number of threads and posts here, in addition to questions posed in chat, about how a person could get their profile removed/deleted. The answer is invariably "you can't get your profile removed...all you can do is restrict access to it."

So I find it highly unlikely that Proseros just decided to ditch us...that profile was deleted by higher powers. On the other hand, it was also clear that he was attempting to "martyr" himself...for whatever combination of reasons, he wanted to be banned.

I hope he's happy, now that he and the little red face can talk to one another as much as they like (my theory is that the little red face was getting jealous of all the attention he was paying to us).

I think he really made his point. *small cough*

[void()]

Annika,

Interesting quote in your signature. And I think in regards to Pros, his point may have been that he didn't need or want help. You can not expect it if you continually bite the hands of those offering. That's what I saw from Pros, right or wrong, sometimes a cigar is a cigar. Of course, I've been known to over-think a plate of beans. I may be in err, if so hold humanity accountable.

Self moderation? Is that legal? Would it require thought? Thinking has been deemed illegal for me due to social classing. I am a prole, we do not think, merely do. Hm, let me see Do my wonderful star elian? Yep. Do my lovely wife? Yep. Oh boy this could get interesting in a hurry.

Oh, sorry. The mind wandered into pleasures of the carnal nature. I'm tired from working all week, it's weekend, I'm free! Me want pleasures. :) Ah, something newsworthy. The attorney general is suggesting that America may just turn a blind eye on pot use. Man ... I think an eighth a month would do me. Few bowls on the weekends, relax at home, watch movies, sleep, shower, sex, eat ... yep yep yep. "Soma rations up to 20 grams!"

Guess that might also help alleviate my depression, too. So much for prescription cocaine. Bye bye Mr. Evil Big Bad Drug, hello Mrs. Sweet Easy To Put Down Drug.

Wouldn't it be nice? Oh wait, there I go thinking again. "No, Mr. President, I was not thinking ... i was ... um, looking at the pretty pictures in the new hog farmer's handbook .. yeah, that's the ticket."

[elian]

When someone comes into a post very hostile I still try to see the value in what they are posting - if the thing is such a rant that my mind gets stuck halfway through reading it I skip that one and try reading the next - hoping that someone else's brain could figure it out.

The only thing that really upsets me is unsolicited personal attacks..they wouldn't be tolerated by a community in real life so why should they be tolerated here? I mean you might try to reason with someone but as void said - some folks are very strong in their way of thinking.

When I tried listening to what Pro was saying recently I heard a very concerned, very frustrated person trying desperately to convince us of something..someone struggling to be heard - even though the conversation seemed to be mostly one-way I thought it was important to at least listen because apparently the person was struggling very hard to be able to speak.

With respect to race - I have recently only become aware of the tip of the iceberg regarding race, privilege, etc. and although you might think that someone oppressed as LGBT would have empathy sadly it seems that anyone can be a bigot. Even if they AREN'T bigots, when people are feeling frustrated and angry they will often lash out in ways that are hurtful to others in order to try and gain a sort of empathy of their own.

The level of polarization and globalization that we are facing in this day and age are so much greater than anything we've ever had to face before. What is now years of the world being on edge have taken quite a spiritual and psychic toll on humanity. The whole "if you aren't for us, you must be against us" attitude leaves no room for people to breathe and be themselves...it leaves no room for the grace that IS a part of being human to flourish where it is so desperately needed.