are you looking for a new topic. try this one

[steve617413]

i have been on this site for about a mouth and talked to a few of you and most of the time it's just to talk shit or tell stroies just so we can jack off and some of then get pritty wild cause i love to get people going so they can get excited and beat off. now most of who i talk to are men and i don't mine at all cause yes i'm bi. but most of the women don't seam to what to talk p/m with me in the chat room it seams. i know they are into women more then men and thats cool. this is a site to talk to people like you. and about the sex and learn how others got started.

but i would like to know do the women talk nasty to the other women her? and if so what do you naughty women say to each other?
and do you women masterbate while you talk like that?

us men would like to hear some of it so we can injoy it to and maybe beat off reading it. cause yes i love women to and they do excite me.
we are all bi and maybe the women would get off on what us men talk about in our p/m in the chat room that gets us all horny that we have to pound our meat

so lets tell each other a little thing that gets you all going and makes you what to play with your selfs.

So don't be shy let us her from all men women and trannys. i would love to hear some stroies from tannys and the fun they have. i'll get us started

[steve617413]

my biggest fantansy was making love to a tranny with long hair and a smoking hot body with nice tits and a rock hard cock. having her on her back so i could look into her beautiful sexy eyes and play with her lovely tits as i fuck her tight little pussy /ass as she jacks off her big hard cock. to be toutching and kissing on her soft smooth skin of her sexy body and making hot passionanet love to this beautiful women and then go down and suck that big yummy cock. and having her fucking me with that would blow my mind. having a beautiful woman slidind her real hard stiff rod up my tight ass as i watch her big lovely tits bounce over top of me and i get to nibble on her sexy neck and having her shoot her hot thick milky load of cum all over my face. i would love to fall in love with someone that i could have both delicious tits to suck on as i make love to her and then get down and have that teasty cock to lick and suck all the yummy cum from her balls. and to have that yummy pussy after the surgery to eat and fuck along with that beautiful women that was always inside and now could be my wife and having to injoy her all the way through from man to women. that turns me on so mush. she can use a stap on after if i still want the fucking or we can find another guy or tranny to help us both out. mmmmmm that would be so sweet....

[csrakate]

I don't EVEN know where to begin to respond to this thread. Best I can come up with....FFS!

[_Joe_]

d O.o b

[csrakate]

I know I have been accused of being "holier than thou" a time or two..but this time I simply have to say something. How can you post this "fantasy" of yours so quickly on the heels of a very heartfelt and gut wrenching appeal from someone who experiences the day to day agony of going through the transgender experience? Is this supposed to make her feel any better? Or...does she simply feel more objectified than ever before? Please think about such things before you post....you may be reflecting a need of your own, but that need doesn't need to be at the cost of another person's ability to feel love and accepted as a HUMAN....instead of the sexual object that you have described.

[vittoria]

A modacam of fellow feeling, empathy, and sensitivity is awesome from those who have it.






I know I have been accused of being "holier than thou" a time or two..but this time I simply have to say something. How can you post this "fantasy" of yours so quickly on the heels of a very heartfelt and gut wrenching appeal from someone who experiences the day to day agony of going through the transgender experience? Is this supposed to make her feel any better? Or...does she simply feel more objectified than ever before? Please think about such things before you post....you may be reflecting a need of your own, but that need doesn't need to be at the cost of another person's ability to feel love and accepted as a HUMAN....instead of the sexual object that you have described.

[twinspiritrev]

Let me first say that I love a good juicy sex story as much as the next man and I admit I also have used the chatt room for a good hand wacking.

But this post has me so rattled I can hardly type first off I agree with you csrakate about the trans. that was rude and inconcierate of him.

and second DUDE if you think that this site and being bi-sexual is all about the sex then you are saddly mistaken and a discrace to the sife style

I'm done here I'll quit before I really go off on a rant

[steve617413]

sorry i upset you all oh my god it was not to be any thing but a fantasy i have. sorry if made anyone upset maybe drew would take it off i ment no disrespet sorry i won't put no more stuff on this site......

[FalconAngel]

I have to chime in here on a couple of points.

But first let me say that my intention is not to flame anyone or to offend anyone. Most of you who have read my posts know that, already, but I am also not so PC as to kiss anyone's butt, either, so here goes.

The thread was posted, albeit a little insensitively, with the intent of starting some form of interaction going. With that in mind, we also should not allow ourselves to get oversensitive to everything that people say, as many of us (myself included) have done in other posts.

Now, many of us, either through actual experience or association with members of the transgender community, know or understand the things that Trans persons go through and there is a very understandable level of sensitivity to it, but we all, transgender or not, must understand that we are all humans and come from the factory with certain natural tendancies that are not PC in the least.

We are all human. We all are prone to a certain degree of insensitivity about things that we either understand all too well, or understand not at all.

Many of the guys, and maybe a few of the women as well, have had fantasies about sex with trans folks. I have. And yes, that is objectification, but as people, we all objectify the objects of our desires, be they men, women, hermaphrodites or trans people.

We need to toughen up and learn to deal with the fact that there is a lot of both intentional and unintentional ignorance on things in life and we need to learn how to handle it like adults and not over-sheltered children.

If someone goes out of their way to offend us, then yes, we should respond accordingly, but when they are just stating their desires, then getting all offended about it doesn't make us look any better, but makes us look thin-skinned and weak.

I think that we all can be better than that. Political correctness is the venue of the weak and I do not believe in it. I believe that, as a species, we are better and stronger than that.

We are Humanity; the most successful predator that nature has ever produced and we are strong. Every group of humans deserves equal consideration and should get it, but no group deserves "special" consideration because of any reason. If we want to be considered equal, then we need to demonstrate that we can handle that equality like adults.

How often have we heard the black community scream racism as a knee-jerk reaction to something and it turns out to be nothing of the sort? That is weakness that is undeserving of any group of humans.

We, here, are stronger than that.
And if we are that thin skinned about being objectified because we have something that others find desirable, then we need to look at ourselves, not the ones who desire us.
Not to say that we should put up with objectification to the exclusion of all other things, but we should understand that a fantasy is a fantasy and reality is something else completely.

If we cannot handle being objectified for a fantasy, then how weak are we.

Objectification shows us that we are desired by others on a level that makes us proud of what we are. At least as long as the objectification is not to the exclusion of other personal considerations.

Women love a certain degree of objectification, as do men. And I doubt that there are any trans folks here that don't feel, if only subconsciously, a certain degree of pride that they have something, that few can provide, that others desire.

It's human nature. Last time I checked, this site is made up of humans and we cannot overcome our own nature. All we can do is control certain aspects of it.

[Toad82]

Well said Falcon.

I did not see anything in the OP’s post that was meant to be malicious. He used an unintentional slur and had bad timing because of Marie’s post. If Marie had not posted before he did how many would have joined in with the OP? I have been a member here for a while and I have seen many threads having to do with the same kind of fantasies. No one reacted this way before.

I understand loyalty and honor to one’s friends, but take a step back and look at everything. The previous posts in this thread, minus Falcon’s, is attacking someone for doing something that gets done here a few times a year. Did any of you stop to think maybe the OP does not read all of the threads all of the time or each day and missed the other thread?


How can you post this "fantasy" of yours so quickly on the heels of a very heartfelt and gut wrenching appeal...

RJ:lokai:

[steve617413]

sorry again i just was thinking of making love and if you read it with out the hard sex parts in it you would see the parts about making love to the women that was always inside and staying in love through all the way through her change i was just trying to make it sexy . is it ok to watch porn with transgenders in it but not ok to talk about it. and i did not mean to hurt anyones feels sorry again. if there is any transgenders or other people i afriended i'm sorry.

[the sacred night]

Having a fantasy involving a transgendered person is no more wrong than having a fantasy involving a cisexual (cisexual=nontrans). Having a fantasy involving a woman is no more wrong than having a fantasy involving a man. People of all genders are sexy and desirable, as we on this site know well, and people of all genders want to feel sexy and desirable. Perhaps the use of the term "tranny" was in bad taste, but I have heard it used with a positive spin much the same as "queer" is used in the queer community.

Also, on the topic of the "gut wrenching appeal" and the "agony of the transgender experience," be careful about how you label someone else's experience. Not all trans people would agree that their lives are agony, and I know at least one who was glad she was born with the body she was instead of being a cisexual woman; she believes being a transwoman has made her stronger as a person and wouldn't have it any other way. Being trans is not all about agony; it's about being who you are.

Now, having said all that, I'd like to return to the original topic of this thread:

Yes, I have talked dirty with other women, men, and transfolk on this site. Yes, I masturbated while doing it. It was different each time; sometimes just describing the touching, kissing, and whatnot we would like to do, sometimes a more elaborate role-playing scenario, sometimes domination & submission, sometimes other things. It just depends on the two (or more?) people involved.

[wikskul]

well said falcon and i applaude you for what u just said

[csrakate]

I never meant to dampen the zeal with which one posts a fantasy...it was a simple reaction to a few misplaced words that got to me and for that I am sorry. I realize that this site is made up of many different people who "get off" on a variety of things, and if sharing details of p/m's and the way one reacts to those conversations is what you're seeking, then who am I to say it is wrong. If it isn't my cup of tea then I have the option not to read it and I certainly don't need to make my distaste for such things known. I only ask that you keep a certain amount of respect out there for those that you may include in those fantasies and remember that you are dealing with HUMANS and not objects.

Once again I apologize for my comments and I would never wish to impose my beliefs over the rights of those to share.

Kate

[GreenEyedLady(GEL)]

I can't blame you one bit for wishing for some female action buddy boy, because I for one am in to be what I consider the best committed, monogamous, honest, loving relationship I have ever been in. Blows my hair back daily. Female and female. I've been with just a few, and all of them have been better then any male relationship. Except maybe Sgt. Andy ( awesome man, rare to find ) Anyhow....back to the sex. In my experiences, ive been the submissive, the giver and that pertains to oral as well as penetration with a feeldoe or a vibrator, ive been the receiver. Jill is a toucher, and I here to tell you that she makes me breath hard, quiver, and thats prior to the mind blowing orgasm. Within seconds im wet. And thats just her touching me, very gently , she's taken the time to find out im super sensitive, so she found the perfect technique - soft , slow , my clit will go numb in no time if to much pressure is applied. Not long after that im pleading to be penetrated, which is been a huge issue for me. I'm super tight, probably always will be. The last time we had sex, I did't even need KY for the vibrator I was wanting, and its fucking HUGE ! Imagine me, Ms. Tight Pussy USA, not needing a lube job done before penetration. !!! Anyhow... She finally penetrates me. The vib is more then a vib its a gift from God. I've never had a vaginal orgasm. Infact the first one I had I literally whimpered , I shook, and I continued whimper. hehe. Fanfuckingtastic !! I've also found that i've you stick a finger in my caboose, im going to damn near knock you off the bed im into it so bad. Didn't know i'd like that, but I do ! So....In a nut shell, Jill has opened me up into an entirely new sex life........Anyhow, I hope you enjoy my little testimony of sex and love.

[steve617413]

I deeply do Apologize for my ignorant. I did not realize i was useing a slur for transgenders and i'm sorry now i did. It was ment to get others to share there fantasies of there playful side and was in no way ment to upset anyone in the way it did. I'm new at this bisexual thing myself and is leaning the hard way about life. i do respect others and i'm sorry to come out looking like a (PIG) my apologize to all...... steve

[_Joe_]

Seems like this was just veeeeery bad timing ><

[Toad82]

Seems like this was just veeeeery bad timing ><

It wasn’t even so much as that. It was just two posts that had nothing to do with one another, but a word in one post that brought out emotions because of the other post. Those that didn’t have a emotional response I think saw both threads for what they were.

[Diana_TS]

I think maybe the PC (Political Correctness) is getting a little out of hand. Seems like no matter what one says it upsets someone out there. Obviously the topic writer meant no harm to anyone. Why can't we all get over this idea of taking issue with words that some gender, race, religion has decided is derogatory. It is usually in the tone of voice not the term itself that are "fighting words". Let's just take one term as an example: Son-of-a-bitch.

"Hey you old son-of-a-bitch, how are you doing?" "You dirty son-of-a-bitch, get your ass out of here."

Get my point? :2cents:

Not trying to upset anyone, I just feel society, in general, needs to take the chip of it's shoulder.

[Danielle_Tremblay]

What the? who the? where the?........i give up, no......really.....!

P.S. I am going to run out and spend the money and get a pocket dictionary as well.....

[Bluebiyou]

<grabs football (topic) and runs off in a tangent>
If someone called me a son-of-a-bitch, I'd stop, smile, and say "You knew her too? You're quite an accurate judge of character!"

[DiamondDog]

I think maybe the PC (Political Correctness) is getting a little out of hand. Seems like no matter what one says it upsets someone out there. Obviously the topic writer meant no harm to anyone. Why can't we all get over this idea of taking issue with words that some gender, race, religion has decided is derogatory. It is usually in the tone of voice not the term itself that are "fighting words". Let's just take one term as an example: Son-of-a-bitch.

"Hey you old son-of-a-bitch, how are you doing?" "You dirty son-of-a-bitch, get your ass out of here."

Get my point? :2cents:

Not trying to upset anyone, I just feel society, in general, needs to take the chip of it's shoulder.

I agree. People are way too PC nowadays.

I don't care if likeminded queer men call me a faggot, fence sitter, or a switch hitter.

Tranny isn't always a slur word and it's not always bad either. I have met transpeople who use it with pride and are fine with others calling them a tranny.

Hell, I even know homosexual men who proudly call themselves faeries, faggots, and Vaginal virgins! :)

[MarieDelta]

I agree. People are way too PC nowadays.

I don't care if likeminded queer men call me a faggot, fence sitter, or a switch hitter.

Tranny isn't always a slur word and it's not always bad either. I have met transpeople who use it with pride and are fine with others calling them a tranny.

Hell, I even know homosexual men who proudly call themselves faeries, faggots, and Vaginal virgins! :)


Tranny isnt a slur, but its not the words I would prefer either.

Kinda like calling a white boy honky or redneck(I used to be a white boy :P )

I guess I dont care, but if you want something from me, or to get in my pants, I would suggest you not use that to address me.

Trans-anything is not my final sstoping point. In the end I wish to simply be a woman of transgender experience. In other words a woman.

I wouldnt consider the transgender experience to be 'agony' although I will say that this society is less than generous when it comes to trans folk. Its not a funhouse ride either though, I mean how would you feel if you were pushed into the body of the opposite gender , with no way out.

If you have any doubts about what terms to use, please ask someone.

I am sure if you are honest with them they wont take offense.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

EXcuse me??? You think chat is just for going into and finding a jack off partner or some jack off material??? No Wonder the women wont talk to you! Not All of us girls go into chat to find others to get off with. I personally go in there to talk and have some fun and laughter with folks that I consider "Friends" not just as a tool for a quick get off! And not all times do we girls like being hit up for sex talk. If your looking for that Steve, perhaps you should find a different site or when you Do go into chat, go the the Bedroom, or somewhere where you'll find other potential jack off partners.
Grrrrrrrr.:disgust:

[Toad82]

EXcuse me??? You think chat is just for going into and finding a jack off partner or some jack off material??? No Wonder the women wont talk to you! Not All of us girls go into chat to find others to get off with. I personally go in there to talk and have some fun and laughter with folks that I consider "Friends" not just as a tool for a quick get off! And not all times do we girls like being hit up for sex talk. If your looking for that Steve, perhaps you should find a different site or when you Do go into chat, go the the Bedroom, or somewhere where you'll find other potential jack off partners.
Grrrrrrrr.:disgust:

I understand now why the forum section and the site in general has such a hard time getting and keeping new members.

[transcendMental]

Can we please acknowledge that the OP has repeatedly apologized for his statement?

Although as a transwoman, I personally find the word "tranny" distasteful, that is the word of choice in the UK, for instance, and from what I hear, most transpeople there have no problem being referred to in that way.

So no, not the word I'd prefer, but nobody is obligated to use the words I personally prefer, and clearly the OP wasn't using it in a hurtful or derogatory way, either, and that to me makes all the difference.

There is nothing wrong with any fantasy, in my opinion. So the OP's post is fair-game, I think, at a site where people regularly post their fantasies. But like with posting any fantasy, you also risk sounding like you're all about sex, and that may put some people off, including the ones you're fantasizing about.

I do wish, particularly regarding trans-issues, that people who know better would attempt to educate others, rather than simply to censure ignorant behavior. I thought it was clear from the original post that the poster simply didn't know better. Hence something expressing what the issue is, rather than simply expressing shock and disbelief that somebody would be so insensitive would be more productive and move the world forward so much better than punishing politically incorrect behavior. There IS such ignorance around trans-issues that I believe it is almost never safe to assume that a person knows better and is just being insensitive.

So Steve, I for one forgive you. I wasn't particularly hurt in the first place, and I recognize that the hurt I did experience had more to do with me and my issues than with you and yours.

tm

[Bluebiyou]

Lord have mercy,
while I don't sit at home, compiling disrespect for Trans; some, if not many of the issues are so complex. I vividly remember a ...girl (born a man) having a very public argument after her shots. She opposed being called "ma'am" or "sir" in a restaurant. This was very loud and vocal. If you're near average... how do you deal with some stuff like that? But then again... if you're a man how do you deal with the irrationality of estrogen? If you're a woman how do you deal with the unrepentant ego of testosterone? C'est la vie.

[izzfan]

I think, if anything it was just bad timing on Steve's part becuase, as several people have said, he might not have read Marie's most recent thread.

I guess whether the word "Tranny" is offensive depends on the context, if it is used in an agressive way then, yes it is insulting. I think the context of Steve's second post was a fantasy and there is nothing wrong with the fantasy itself ( I'd be a liar to say that I have never felt attracted to the thought of sleeping with a beautiful trans woman or a beautiful trans man, I also find the thought of sleeping with an beautiful [non-trans] woman or a beautiful [non-trans] man attractive too) except that it was worded in a slightly ignorant and tactless way. But he has apologised for it several times and I think he has realised that he has made a mistake, so I think it's time to let this discussion rest (and yes, I see the irony of giving my :2cents: on the matter and probably bumping the thread back up to the top of the list).

As for the original post, it was a bit ignorant but I don't think he meant any offence by it.

I guess the term "tranny" is like a lot of other slang names for people, some people find it offensive, other people don't. As I said before, it depends on context, who is saying the word etc.... The closest analogy I can think of [and...looking back over the thread, it has been mentioned already] is the term "queer", it can be used as a hateful word of abuse but some people use it to define their sexuality, the term is sometimes used in a positive way by gay/bi/ lesbian people , some universities hold "queer theory" modules, there is a very good TV program called "Queer as folk" etc.... As I said, with some words context is everything.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Sorry you dont see it from a woman's point of view, Toad-Hon. Women get vastly tired of being thought of as just another object for Some guys to get off with. It gets old real quick, and makes a girl feel like crud to just be seen as an instrument for some guy to get his cookies off with. And to disrespect a Transgendered person like that was Way tacky.
Sorry. Just my humble opinion and :2cents:
Cat

[GreenEyedLady(GEL)]

Blah blah blah

[Danielle_Tremblay]

I totally agree with Cherokee Mountaincat. Most people are'nt bothered until they are on the "shit end of the stick". PC etc. etc. aside, i think it's an issue of objectification. I speak to a lot of guy on line who just want to jack off while talking nasty and then after promising a friendship or to "stay in touch" they disappear for weeks on end only to reappear when they feel the "urge" again. Friends like that i don't need. NO i'm NOT a prude, bur there are other things besides "look at my cock" (a topic that has been touched on on this site many times before). Men (yeah yeah....i am one....blah blah blah) you think you would like attention from people until you realize that attention is merely directed at an attribute you posses, nothing more. You are reduced to the sum of your parts or a curiosity. Yes i am here seeking a same sex partner, but certainly not one who wants me when the urges strike and until then, fuck off.
(please pardon my language)

To quote a John Merrick "i am NOT an animal, i'm a Human Being".

Now i'll sit back and wait for the attacks..........

[steve617413]

I've apologizied repeatedly about my ignorants of the slur word i unintentionaly used and i even made another apology to every one. I typed it all in caps because i'm truely sorry for my ignorants and my knowledge of the way other people look at word as hate and now because i put that in all CAPS i guess i did wrong there to. and now i'm getting beaten down by some because it was sexual. I am a man and i am human to there is a few that was nice and told me i did wrong and was very nice about it and i thank you all that help teach me of the things i did not know i was doing wrong. but i thought this was a (Bisexual site and not a Nosexual site) and i will not apologize for being a horny man that injoys sex with other people no matter if they are women, men, or transgenders. it's no wonder the world is so fucked up cause instead of people teaching others about something new to them they get beaten down because of there lack of knowledge of the matter and then get beaten down even more cause they are a little different then that person. Yes i love to talk and read and watch porn with sex in it cause i don't get sex at home no more cause of my wifes heath and instead of going out and cheating on her i talk and jack off when ever i can. and if that makes me a asshole so be it and I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY NEEDS AND MY DESIRES. I wish more people would try to Educate us in this world about what we don't know and not curse us out for our lack knowledge about it. And if this one pissed any one off then good maybe you should look at yourself before getting nasty with some one and maybe if you would teach others of what they said or what is wrong then maybe this world would understand more of how every one in this world is different and we can all get along... but i guess that won't happen so you will always have that asshole that don't know any better and will ways be a asshole because another asshole wouldn't say hay man that was the worng thing to say and let me help you understand why it was worng and not beat the preson down... and with that said do not pardon my language this time cause i'm a asshole and i guess i will stay that way so you can bitch about something instead of teaching others about it.....Steve.

[allbimyself]

Oh FFS people!

This whole "objectification" stuff is complete BS. If you have EVER fantasized about someone that you didn't know personally (99.9999% of us I'll bet) YOU are guilty of objectification. Taken further, if you've fantasized about anyone that you aren't in love with, you are guilty.

Get over your self-righteous selves!

[izzfan]

Steve,
I don;t think you are an asshole, if you were an asshole then you wouldn't have apologised so many times about the original posts. I don't think anyone objected to the fantasy iteself, just the way you described it. I'm sure a lot of people have already explained why this caused so much trouble (there is also the fact that it came pretty soon after a thread by Marie Delta about prejudice against TG people and how many people view transgendered people - I think your post was just bad timing as you may not have read the other thread).

I'm sorry if any of my posts on this topic have sounded self-righteous. I have to agree with you when you point out that you will never apologise for your fantasies, as I said in my previous post I'd be a liar if I said that I had never fantasised about sleeping with a transgender woman. Fantasies are just that, fantasies and fantasies are completely harmless (although acting on your fantasies may not always be harmless).

Don't let this whole issue/incident put you off the site, I mean everyone makes mistakes in their lives and I'm sure that, with time, people will forget about this whole discussion.

If you are interested in learning more about transgendered people (whether they are transexuals, crossdressers etc...) here are some links

http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/ (interesting forum about crossdressing)

http://www.jenellerose.com/ (some interesting articles on here)

http://betweenthelines.sosdg.org/ (a very poignant webcomic about the hardships that can face Transexual people as they grow up)

http://www.transgenderdor.org/ (the Transgender Day of Rememberance site, it shows the high level of violent hate crimes against transgender people)

I hope these links are useful, they are the most informative ones that I can think of (most of the TG sites/forums I tend to go on are more to do with crossdressing than with politics and TS issues).

Again, sorry if my posts on this have sounded self-righteous.

[Toad82]

Sorry you dont see it from a woman's point of view, Toad-Hon. Women get vastly tired of being thought of as just another object for Some guys to get off with. It gets old real quick, and makes a girl feel like crud to just be seen as an instrument for some guy to get his cookies off with. And to disrespect a Transgendered person like that was Way tacky.
Sorry. Just my humble opinion and :2cents:
Cat

Almost anywhere else I would buy objectification, but here even when I go into chat I get men and women wanting to cyber. I am a guy that can’t get a date. If everyone is objectified, isn’t that making everything equal? There are really only three kinds of people that come here. Those that come to interact non-sexually, those that come to interact sexually and those that come to do both. Its not like it was posted at a Disney forum. I am not buying from a woman's point of view.

[parkerbi]

""Yesterday is gone....tomorrow isn't here yet. I have just one day - today...and I can choose how I shall be! And I choose to be happy!""

I love this. Just enjoy the life...