Dear Red States

[bigirl_inwv]

Dear Red States:

We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us. In case you aren't aware, that includes California, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast.

We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.

To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches.

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom. We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama.

We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay their fair share. Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.


Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.

With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's quality wines, 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.


We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you. Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the war, the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals than we lefties.

Finally, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico.


Peace out,
Blue States

[Falke]

LOL!

The Blue states would be over-run and brought back into the Union within a week. :bigrin:

However, you might be able to make it into Canada as a refugee from the seceeded states while they are being overrun with the what would equate to a 21st century Blitzkrieg. Mainly because those in the Blue States whom would play pacifist rather than to pick up arms and fight for their survival.

[darkeyes]

LOL!

The Blue states would be over-run and brought back into the Union within a week. :bigrin:

However, you might be able to make it into Canada as a refugee from the seceeded states while they are being overrun with the what would equate to a 21st century Blitzkrieg. Mainly because those in the Blue States whom would play pacifist rather than to pick up arms and fight for their survival.
Correct me if me rong Zwit.. but technically an constitutionally do not states hav the rite 2 leave the union??? Or will ya always hav a bloody gr8 war 2 stop it happnin?? R ya a democracy or not???

Me has a m8 who livs in Seattle... wudn argue wiv er... she not nice like me an is no pacifist.. arguin wiv 'er a bit like tryin 2 blow the snow offa the toppa Everest wiv a lil puff... she clocked me 1ce wen we wer kids an me wos out cold for haff an hour..an wen me bro who is much bigga than 'er tried 2 take issue wiv 'er..she clocked 'im 1 an all... an 'e met a simlar laka conciousness.. jus a lil cautionary tale that big don always win battles... or ifya dus ya don always win 'em as easy asya think... Vietnam Iraq an Afghanistan shud b cautionary tales... as shud ya own war a independence an civil war....

[onewhocares]

Laken.......

This is hysterical!!!

Will we need passports to visit this country? Oh wait...I guess I am coming too!

Belle

[Ritchie 48]

Thats ok i'll stay where the warm is , have a nice winter !

[_Joe_]

You know, the argument "you're sending our kids to war" is such malarky.

Joining the armed forces of any type is not mandatory as it is in some countries. Anyone joins on their own choice.... It's not like they think they are joining the army to learn how to weave baskets in the first place.

[jamieknyc]

Correct me if me rong Zwit.. but technically an constitutionally do not states hav the rite 2 leave the union??? Or will ya always hav a bloody gr8 war 2 stop it happnin?? R ya a democracy or not???

Me has a m8 who livs in Seattle... wudn argue wiv er... she not nice like me an is no pacifist.. arguin wiv 'er a bit like tryin 2 blow the snow offa the toppa Everest wiv a lil puff... she clocked me 1ce wen we wer kids an me wos out cold for haff an hour..an wen me bro who is much bigga than 'er tried 2 take issue wiv 'er..she clocked 'im 1 an all... an 'e met a simlar laka conciousness.. jus a lil cautionary tale that big don always win battles... or ifya dus ya don always win 'em as easy asya think... Vietnam Iraq an Afghanistan shud b cautionary tales... as shud ya own war a independence an civil war....

No state has the right to leave the union.

[darkeyes]

You know, the argument "you're sending our kids to war" is such malarky.

Joining the armed forces of any type is not mandatory as it is in some countries. Anyone joins on their own choice.... It's not like they think they are joining the army to learn how to weave baskets in the first place.

So true Joe...sumtimes wonda if peeps liv in the same world as me an thee.. woteva peeps political persuasion.. armed forces r ther 2, officially at least defend the country, but also 2 enforce the will a ther political masters.. in doin that..internally or externally.. they r expected 2 kill an b maimed an do not nice things.. an it is equally expected that they will b killed an b maimed an hav not nice things dun 2 them..

Hav an x bf who joined the army cos 'e wanted 2 b a mechanic...least so 'e sed.. in end 'e turned inta an infantryman, an became as disturbed an as hard as ne who is puts ther life on the line.. from bein a nice guy..'e is now a nasty sod who me can neva call friend..

.. if only it wer weavin baskets Joe...insteada turnin 'em inta basket cases an casket cases.. an doin the same thing 2 those they r sent 2 impose the will a the politicians who control ther activities..

[darkeyes]

No state has the right to leave the union...an that is legal unda international law?? The UK is a state a 4 nations an each has the rite shud ther citizens decide so 2 do by due legal an democratic process, 2 leave the union an becum independent... so the US forbids that shud the citizens of ne state decide that is wot they wish 2 do woteva the circumstance?? Sum democracy Jamie... wer is the rite 2 self determination in that???

[Ninnian]

Omigosh....
Tho I might wish I had Wisconsin cheese without tariffs- Im not going to miss much else about that list of Blue states. Well, mabye Maine and New Hampshire.

Sign me up! and Bon Voyage to you, Sugar!

Nin- Proud blue-state Appalachian

[catcir1]

I don't really see a problem with your proposal. We may want to trade you some gasoline and oil for the Statue of Liberty though...oh, and maybe some electricity.
Seriously, I think this is the problem we are all facing in the US today. We are viewing everything in terms of "us" and "them". We are all us, and I hope that we can get back to that sense of unity soon. I'm not an Obama fan at all, but hey, if he is the to bring that back to us...I will get behind him!

[FalconAngel]

I don't really see a problem with your proposal. We may want to trade you some gasoline and oil for the Statue of Liberty though...oh, and maybe some electricity.
Seriously, I think this is the problem we are all facing in the US today. We are viewing everything in terms of "us" and "them". We are all us, and I hope that we can get back to that sense of unity soon. I'm not an Obama fan at all, but hey, if he is the to bring that back to us...I will get behind him!

Quite true. And if our politicians would only stop seeing things in red and blue as well as sucking up to corporate lobbyists, then the whole country would be far better off.

They all seem to forget that they work for us, not us working for them.

It is the United States of America, not the Corporate owned States of America.

[Doggie_Wood]

No state has the right to leave the union.

Up until just a few short years ago, Texas was the ONLY state that could seceed from the union.
When The Republic of Texas (an indipendant country at that time in history) was ASKED by the union if they would concider annexation by the union, it was agreed upon that Texas, if it chose to do so, could seceed from the union and at that time, divide itself into as many as five seperate states within the Republic.
Kinda wished we still could - I mean,Texas can be fully self supporting.
Texas has:
1: The Permian Basin oil reserves and off shore drilling in the gulf
2: The Barnett Shale (natural gas) enough to last Texas for centuries.
3: West Texas cotton gins - at one time over 45% of the cotton used in
the world came from west Texas cotton fields.
4: Agriculture abounds in Texas -the valley for citris, corn, wheat
5: Beef- it what's for dinner
6: Space Exploration - Houston? Are we a go for lift off?
7: Corporate offices for many big name companies
such as Frito-Lay, Dr. Pepper, Zales Jewlers, 7-11 Conv Stores, & on

That's just a half-dozen + 1 and I am sure there are many more.

Oh!! I almost forgot ! We are neighbors with Mexico - we can get many cuban cigars and Tequilla. And cheap labor.

As always I try to throw a little humor into the mix- why get serious about things.
One can be serious without getting serious.

:doggie:

[catcir1]

Up until just a few short years ago, Texas was the ONLY state that could seceed from the union.
When The Republic of Texas (an indipendant country at that time in history) was ASKED by the union if they would concider annexation by the union, it was agreed upon that Texas, if it chose to do so, could seceed from the union and at that time, divide itself into as many as five seperate states within the Republic.:

The Dog is wise and speaks the truth. We could, by law, secede from the whole darn mess if we choose to OR have 10 senators in Washington. We are the only ones with that right, not to mention the only state allowed to have a capitol building taller than the US capitol and the ability to fly our flag at the same height as the US flag (really annoys me when I travel to other states and some motel is flying their flag at the same height as the US flag).
Let us also not forget the state fair, THE University of Texas, lumber aplenty in the piney woods, coal reserves, 12% of US gasoline production, 367 miles of coastline, a cruise terminal, Hippie Hollow and the best looking women anywhere. So...we got that goin' fer us.

[darkeyes]

....the best looking women anywhere. So...we got that goin' fer us.ehhhhhh...scuse me....peace an luff can soon b brot 2 an end ya kno....:tong:

[HighEnergy]

The number one cash crop in Kentucky is pot. They'll be ok.

I'm just hoping and praying that Ohio goes the intelligent route this time.

[catcir1]

ehhhhhh...scuse me....peace an luff can soon b brot 2 an end ya kno....:tong:

LOL...Hey Dark...I didn't say we had them all. I already said I thought you were hot. Come to Texas and we will be that much closer to a real monopoly ;)

[Bluebiyou]

South Carolina and the rest tried the secession thing. The North refused to go along with it. Even though the South didn't want anything to do with the North, the ensuing war became known as a 'civil war'.
Besides, California has been wanting to secede for some time now (not wanting Federal law over marijuana to supercede Kalifornia law). It's just that California has to borrow so much money to survive... they can't afford to secede!
And precisely where were the blue states going to get their energy and food from?
What housing markets are collapsing, pulling the rest of the country (and stock market) down with them?
But like Fort Sumter, Florida is in our neck of the woods, we'll be keeping the best beaches!
(playfully but wittily intended) ;)

[dfwbi-cyclist]

So all the states that are getting slammed by the economy (which are all blue by they way - coincidence?) are going to leave the Union??

Ok, how do we help you do that?

[darkeyes]

South Carolina and the rest tried the secession thing. The North refused to go along with it. Even though the South didn't want anything to do with the North, the ensuing war became known as a 'civil war'.
Besides, California has been wanting to secede for some time now (not wanting Federal law over marijuana to supercede Kalifornia law). It's just that California has to borrow so much money to survive... they can't afford to secede!
And precisely where were the blue states going to get their energy and food from?
What housing markets are collapsing, pulling the rest of the country (and stock market) down with them?
But like Fort Sumter, Florida is in our neck of the woods, we'll be keeping the best beaches!
(playfully but wittily intended) ;)Blue..Blue hun..ya like so many..ya talk kinda disparinginly bout lil partsa countries leavin otha bits an makin ther own way an not bein able 2 support themsels for 1 reason or otha.. ya make the mistake a sayin it aint feasible wen reely wotya shud b sayin is it advisable??

Ther r many peeps in me own country (Scotland) who wud luff nowt bettern 2 leave the state 2 wich we belong (the UK) an in fact, like the Parti Quebecois in Canada, they currently hold the reigns a power in the Scottish Parliament... we r a nation within a state an many don like it 2 much.. the arguments always raised wen discussin Scottish independence is that we cud not afford 2 go on our own outwith the UK for much the same reasons as every otha larger state makes wen parts of em discuss breakin away.. we r told we wud hav economic woes, higher unemployment, an inferior health service, social security wud collapse, we wud hav problems wiv energy an our infrastucture wud b put unda severe stress... Taxation wud b higher an we wud hav probs wiv trade an the voice of the Scottish people wud b less well heard than it wud b as parta the larger more influential UK state.

Ther is merit in alla these arguments..an they r things wich, if an wen a referendum bout Scottish independendce is eva called, that the Scottish people will havta consider..an pro independence parties will havta address an ansa..

Scotland, like Quebec in Canada, every state in the union known as the United States, the Australian States an the various regions of many countries cud, shud they wish b viable workable nation states in ther own rite.. no 1 shud question that..wot shud b questioned is wetha it is in the interests a the peeps who live in those places..an interests can mean economic an mutual defence an national integrity on the 1 hand or emotional historical feelins of injustice wich many, an me own people do feel this 2 a gr8 degree, not wivout sum gud reason eitha.. or the feelin that ther existence as a people is not recognised or respected an is even threatened within that larger st8.. Scots or at least many of em feel that way...as do many peeps in otha nations a the world.. Ossetians in Georgia for 1 as did the peeps of Kosova vis a vis Serbia an the otha Balkan peoples a Bosnia an Croatia in ther time

Don get me rong Blue..am not a nationalist an don wanna c my country withdraw from the union.. do wanna c more devolution a power 2 the nations of the UK sure, but feel my country's best interests r served as parta that larger state... me argument is that it is not advisable 2 leave the United Kindgom.. not that it is not feasible for it undoubtedly is. It wud mean gr8 stresses an strains on the nation that is Scotland in the short 2 medium term but it wud survive an in time it wud prosper..

An, for all me criticism a the monolith that is the US am not arguin that the US shud break itsel up state by state inta 51 independent nations states.. am pretty sure few 'mericans wan it an they wud b wise in makin that decision.. the US wud without doubt b a waeker less influential place wer it 2 lose ne of its contstituent parts..an mos states wud lose out by settin emselvs up as independent states... but that is advisable...an sensible.. it dus not mean that such a move is not feasible or workable... if the peeps of those states r prepared 2 meet the costs of such a move...

..an we hav lotsa luffly beaches 'ere Blue..no bloody sun tho..let us hav sum willya?? B ya friend foreva if ya dus...pwease..pwetty pwetty pwease....:tong:

[bigirl_inwv]

Wooooooow.

1.) I think it's cute. You don't...okay...I do. So wah.

2.) It's a joke. Like any of the states are ACTUALLY going to try and secede. If you seriously think that...you need your head checked.

3.) I don't really have a 3...but I forget how fuckin' uptight some people here can be. GET OVER YOURSELVES!

[FalconAngel]

So all the states that are getting slammed by the economy (which are all blue by they way - coincidence?) are going to leave the Union??

Ok, how do we help you do that?

By letting lobbyists induce greedy politicians to create sweeping national legislation that hurts the working class, which, by the way, is 95% of the country.

The way to fix it? Lower taxes on those that can't afford it and close the tax loopholes that allow the rich to get away with paying a smaller percentage than is their due.
Stop crying for "Joe the plumber". He can afford to buy the company that he works for, so he is not hurting so much that he can't afford to pay a little more in taxes.
The guys that are hurting are the ones who are having to work 2 or more jobs just to pay the basic bills. They need relief.
The rich are not hurting. If the rich think that they are hurting, then they should try to live on the wages that they have been paying their employees and see how much it really hurts in this economy.

Do more to destroy monopolies and restore the original, post depression legislation that could have prevented the this economic crisis that Clinton, Bush, and their cronies allowed to get removed in the first place.

Do more that helps neighborhood businesses to protect themselves from major corporations that hurt small businesses.

Do all of that and then the economy will be better.

It's about treating people as people, not as chattel to be tossed aside when it becomes convenient for corporate board profits.
It's about doing the right thing, not the selfish thing.
It's not about who makes more money, but about making sure that this economy is strong by making sure that every possible adult can afford to do more than just survive.
It's about quality of life for every productive citizen and every citizen that wants to be productive.
It's about not treating people like slaves.

But most of all, it is about making America a nation of free people again, rather than a nation of laws, like the old Soviet Union or Cuba, or Nazis Germany. Those countries were/are all nations of law, not free people.

The Republicans bitch and moan about Obama not having "experience" to run the country, but from what I've seen, Experience in politics only means that one has been part of the system long enough to be horribly infected by the corruption. I understand that McCain is very "experienced" in Washington politics.

That kind of experience, we have had more than enough of and do not need.

Being corrupt enough for Washington does not mean that one should be in Washington.

Consider that.

[azirish]

Joe Biden has been a career politician longer than McCain, longer in the Senate....do you get all you're "facts" from CNN?





By letting lobbyists induce greedy politicians to create sweeping national legislation that hurts the working class, which, by the way, is 95% of the country.

The way to fix it? Lower taxes on those that can't afford it and close the tax loopholes that allow the rich to get away with paying a smaller percentage than is their due.
Stop crying for "Joe the plumber". He can afford to buy the company that he works for, so he is not hurting so much that he can't afford to pay a little more in taxes.
The guys that are hurting are the ones who are having to work 2 or more jobs just to pay the basic bills. They need relief.
The rich are not hurting. If the rich think that they are hurting, then they should try to live on the wages that they have been paying their employees and see how much it really hurts in this economy.

Do more to destroy monopolies and restore the original, post depression legislation that could have prevented the this economic crisis that Clinton, Bush, and their cronies allowed to get removed in the first place.

Do more that helps neighborhood businesses to protect themselves from major corporations that hurt small businesses.

Do all of that and then the economy will be better.

It's about treating people as people, not as chattel to be tossed aside when it becomes convenient for corporate board profits.
It's about doing the right thing, not the selfish thing.
It's not about who makes more money, but about making sure that this economy is strong by making sure that every possible adult can afford to do more than just survive.
It's about quality of life for every productive citizen and every citizen that wants to be productive.
It's about not treating people like slaves.

But most of all, it is about making America a nation of free people again, rather than a nation of laws, like the old Soviet Union or Cuba, or Nazis Germany. Those countries were/are all nations of law, not free people.

The Republicans bitch and moan about Obama not having "experience" to run the country, but from what I've seen, Experience in politics only means that one has been part of the system long enough to be horribly infected by the corruption. I understand that McCain is very "experienced" in Washington politics.

That kind of experience, we have had more than enough of and do not need.

Being corrupt enough for Washington does not mean that one should be in Washington.

Consider that.

[bigirl_inwv]

1. It's old and is on the intellectual level of a chain letter.
2. See above.
3. I know it was a joke. It was a bad one. And after listening to the last 8 years of hearing people whine about the 2k election and the constant harangue about how bad our nation is, forgive me if us 'red staters' take just a bit of offense.
4. For a website that is about understanding and tolerance, posting things like this shows damn little of it.
5. My fault for even looking at a political thread here. Heaven forbid that someone who isn't straight might also happen to be conservative. My fault, I knew what I was getting into, and I fell right into it, face first.

1.)I never said it was intelligent, I just said it was funny. Lots of people have different senses of humor. You just happen to have a different political opinion than I do. No reason to get your panties all in a bunch over it.

3.) People have been whining because the nation has been shitty. You "red staters" can't be blind enough to not see the TRUTH.

4 and 5.) Wanna bitch about tolerance and understanding? Let other people have their opinions too. So you don't like the stupid "chain letter" I posted. Big deal. There are other people here who think it's funny. It's not the end of the damn world. Also, may I just say, that your sexuality has absolutely zero bearing in this circumstance. There are plenty of gay and bisexual people who are conservative as well. So don't go throwing that around like it makes a fucking difference. Heaven forbid I actually post a political thread here, I should have known that there would be people too narrow minded to accept someone else's political views may be different from their own. My fault, I knew what I was getting into, and I fell right into it, face first.

[silkboxerslntx]

Dear Blue States,

Okay, when you secede, we will wait a while till you're real high on smoke. Then when our volunteer armed forces return from wherever their commander in chief has sent them, we will act. We will bring them, and all our rednecks with guns, and take whatever the hell we want. Because you will not have guns. Your young men will be playing XBOX or Wii. Your loss of free speech will prevent you from crying out against it (while you're at the beach). You'll be hiding in dark corners because you can't smoke in any public places, not even bars. You won't have the population to defend yourself because same sex marriage has left you with few children, except the clones and test tubies. Your civil defense force will be damn scary butches that can't use lethal force due to philosophy. You won't have God to pray to for help. The French will feel they gave you enough when you have the Statue of Liberty. The Russians and Chinese will just keep stealing the oil off your coast because, let's face it, what are you gonna do about it? Iran will offer to give you some of the nukes they DIDN"T use to destroy Isreal with. Like that's gonna do a pacifist any good. You won't be able to hack our command and control because all the good jobs have gone to illegal immigrants who have changed all the programming code to broken Mexican "Si" ++. And the rest will be watching CNN telling you that "There really is NO DANGER."

And after we are finished, we will sell those of you who remain your own weed back to you so you can remain stupid, believing that Liberal Socialist Fascism actually works.


Just remember, the blue states are only blue in the urban areas. You get outside the urban areas, it's all blue. You call it flyover country. We call it, THE COUNTRY. We haven't started playing "Cowboy and Liberal Fascist" yet.

Congratulations on the election of your beloved Barack Hussein Obama. He will be most welcome in your country. He wasn't even born in ours, and is ineligible to serve as President.

Regards,
The Red States

[tinman714]

That sounds exactly like Bush's policy with Iraq?? And we see how well that work out for everybody?


I'm gonna go smoke a celebratory bong!! PUFF, PUFF!! LOL!!

[bigirl_inwv]

Now the Republicans and those great ol' Red Staters get 4 years to bitch! WOO HOO!!!! Ignorance can't get me down tonight. :bigrin:

[Bluebiyou]

Ah, politics!
Eternally corrupt.
Arm in arm we rejoice together in union...
...
:) well, maybe not...

[Bluebiyou]

I must admit, the European Union is pretty amazing.
So many very different cultures uniting.
As well as Ireland/Scotland/GB... centuries of violence and sometimes very well deserved hatred for each other... in such a relatively small area. The very fact there's no longer wholesale violence going on between them is nothing short of a miracle.
*Sigh*
While I have no hope for politics, perhaps there is hope for people.

[elmwood7]

The thing that really amazes me is how easily people are led and how eager they are to give up our rights and our country. I'm not for either man for president over economy or change or any other rosey,make me feel good promises. As a US Citizen who served this country through 2 tours in Vietnam by choice ( i signed up both times) because I beleive in our country and our rights I just don't think Obama is going to protect them enough so you have the freedom to speak,act, protest or live a free life. Socialism doesn't work.I truly beleive our people gave up alot last night to feel better short term. I hope you realize it's about more than money or the lack there of. I hope our country recovers but many are right that the red supporters are very self suficient and can survive on their own.Most blue supporters need help to get by. Not a put down. Just a fact.

[darkeyes]

The thing that really amazes me is how easily people are led and how eager they are to give up our rights and our country. I'm not for either man for president over economy or change or any other rosey,make me feel good promises. As a US Citizen who served this country through 2 tours in Vietnam by choice ( i signed up both times) because I beleive in our country and our rights I just don't think Obama is going to protect them enough so you have the freedom to speak,act, protest or live a free life. Socialism doesn't work.I truly beleive our people gave up alot last night to feel better short term. I hope you realize it's about more than money or the lack there of. I hope our country recovers but many are right that the red supporters are very self suficient and can survive on their own.Most blue supporters need help to get by. Not a put down. Just a fact.

Ho hum... do we detect a lil sour grapes ere???

Funny me a red an all 'cordin 2 peeps ere.. shudn Elmie an me b m8s an on same side??? Yeaa. rite..sure we shud...

[Ritchie 48]

You can slam Bush all you want and i agree he was a lousy prez but while you are at it don't forget to point at Clinton who passed this lovely NAFTA agreement which started the landslide of jobs leaving the country . Have you ridden through Flint Mich. lately ? Everybody bitches about losing jobs but heres an idea , run around your house and garage and see how many foriegn products you own . Everyone contributed to this mess , me included . So next time you go shopping , buy American . just my 2 cents so please don't flame me , love you all !

[darkeyes]

You can slam Bush all you want and i agree he was a lousy prez but while you are at it don't forget to point at Clinton who passed this lovely NAFTA agreement which started the landslide of jobs leaving the country . Have you ridden through Flint Mich. lately ? Everybody bitches about losing jobs but heres an idea , run around your house and garage and see how many foriegn products you own . Everyone contributed to this mess , me included . So next time you go shopping , buy American . just my 2 cents so please don't flame me , love you all !

Wy wud me buy 'merican?? Me has lotsa luffly foreign made stuff.. sum is even 'merican.. wy?? Cos wos betta than owt me cud get that wos made 'ere.. not always cheaper but wos betta made an more reliable than its Brit equivalent.. an often also cos we jus don produce ne of it... an sumtimes neva did.. jus cos things r from ya country of origin don make em ne gud.. gimme French an Italian fashion ova British ne time.. an def ova 'merican.. me likes 2 get wot me likes..an wen me gets wot me likes me gets the best me can afford an sumtimes even not afford 2 buy..an so often it wos not made in me own country... we don hav a divine rite 2 b best at everythin...

.. bout the economics a alla that am passin no comment.. but me don buy junk... an that me luffly is how it will always b...

[Ritchie 48]

I agree you can buy what you want , but the point is when you get up in the morning its nice to have a job to go to . Example , when your computer breaks down , get on the phone and see who answers i bet its someone named Habib or something like that , heck the accent , if you can understand it will be a dead giveaway . I'm the first guy in line to be guilty too i have a Toyota Camry and Japanese TVs . I'm sure the Japanese , Koreans and China are happy with our jobs . I think we should levy a nice healthy tax on all imports into our country then maybe we can compete with them for jobs . Its easy for them when they are paying slave wages to sweat shop workers and child laborers .

[darkeyes]

I'm sure the Japanese , Koreans and China are happy with our jobs . I think we should levy a nice healthy tax on all imports into our country then maybe we can compete with them for jobs . Its easy for them when they are paying slave wages to sweat shop workers and child laborers .
First off..they don hav ur jobs..they hav ther jobs.. an yea agree in many cases wages in sum places r crap..an sweat shops abound.. in sum ways they happen in our own countries an all.. an don forget many a those wages r crap cos they r workin for our corporations..them that took the work an jobs ovaseas so they cud make a nice extra buck or 2 an not havta deal wiv nasty things like western labour laws... so the west is no gr8 shakes wiv clear conscience...

.. an u slap a nice healthy tax on em..no probs..they do the same..its called trade war or tit for tat economics..an no 1 wins.. ya end up bak 2 square 1..an very often..they win u lose...

[elmwood7]

First of all Dark Eyes isn't in the US so her opinion on america or our politics is really not her business. Secondly she needs to learn to spell or use spellcheck.Unfortunately NAFTA which was put in affect by Clinton(a democrat) has destroyed the american manufacturing industry and I don't think it's coming back.I am totally for buying american but we are the minority and there is less & less american product to buy.I don't think any president can fix that.I truly hope Obama can do all the things he said he could & would do to turn things around. But I don't think his past history lends to that. But with a democratic house & senate he has no excuses for not getting something done.

[Doggie_Wood]

The Dog is wise and speaks the truth. We could, by law, secede from the whole darn mess if we choose to OR have 10 senators in Washington. We are the only ones with that right, not to mention the only state allowed to have a capitol building taller than the US capitol and the ability to fly our flag at the same height as the US flag .......................... Hippie Hollow and the best looking women anywhere. So...we got that goin' fer us.

Damn catcir - I totally forgot tp mention those little tidbits of info.
But unfortunately there was a time limit placed on our right to secede from the union.
And I totaly forgot about Hippie Hollow . Tho it's not as it was in the 70s. free to all, able to bask nude on the rocks (big rocks) getting a good sunning, having sex with some of those b-e-a-utiful women you spoke of.
I don't know tho, it's hard say where the better looking women are - in and around THE Universityor in Fort Worth's National Historic Stockyards.
mmmmmm ! Hard to beat theme cowgirls so tender and supple with their tight fittin jeans painted on those long shaply legs - and lets not forget them long, tall & lanky drinks 'o water in their sharply creased jeans and cowboy boots, the cowboys (not the Team either).

:doggie:

[darkeyes]

First of all Dark Eyes isn't in the US so her opinion on america or our politics is really not her business. Secondly she needs to learn to spell or use spellcheck.Unfortunately NAFTA which was put in affect by Clinton(a democrat) has destroyed the american manufacturing industry and I don't think it's coming back.I am totally for buying american but we are the minority and there is less & less american product to buy.I don't think any president can fix that.I truly hope Obama can do all the things he said he could & would do to turn things around. But I don't think his past history lends to that. But with a democratic house & senate he has no excuses for not getting something done.
Not my biz??? Not my biz???? My God..is it not the biz of ur country 2 poke its nose inta an make demands a jus bout ne country it takes a mind 2.. sumtimes even by walkin in an tryin 2 impose its will on summa them.. wen 'merican corporations hav so much of a stake in every nation on earth an in many cases not always 2 ther advantage... wen the US is the largest single polluter a the planet wich is our only home..wen 'merican interests r strippin the resources a the planet.. wenya economy is the largest on the face a the earth an has so much influence on EVERYWER.. an wen it wos US economic woes an incompetencies wich STARTED the current recession, wivout whom the nations a the world will find it so much harder 2 dig themselvs outa the economic mire it finds itsel in... an for many otha reasons wich affect all peeps in all nations.. we hav the rite 2 say an comment.. we non 'mericans may not hav a vote in ya elections..but we do hav a rite 2 an opinion.. an 2 advise our 'merican friends.. that is wot a free world is bout Elmie babes.. so me advice 2 u is think a lil more bout things fore ya tries 2 shut those of us up who r not 'merican.. parta the trubble an strife in this world has been 'merican governments tryin 2 do that 2 otha nations, an bend 'em 2 ther will... the planet is 2 small an 2 fragile for us 2 try an prevent all peeps from bein able 2 express ther concern an comment an advise on the activities a ne otha nation or people.. fact that the US is top dog an has such an effect on our lil world will mean more comment from outside on its activities than ne 1 elses..

Stop bein so arrogant an silly... ya don havta like or agree wiv ne thin me sez.. jus allow me the freedom 2 say it..

[darkeyes]

..an anotha thing Elmie..ya manufacturin capability wos goin down the pan fore eva NAFTA wos thotta..jus like the British wich wos disappearin at a rate a knots long before it joined the EU...

[TheBisexualProfessor]

Please go! And good luck. Some of us tried this once, and the rest of the country invaded us and beat the shit out of us. We've been sore ever since.

[hudson9]

Jeez, people, lighten the f*** up!!

It was a joke. It's not like the Blue states haven't been called Not the Real America, or accused of Not Loving America -- and not in a joking way, either!

Y'all know I'm not against political discussion, but jeez, let's keep some perspective!

I guess the worst the original post is guilty of is perhaps some bad timing. Perhaps there are some people still sensitive because of the outcome of the election.

Well, relax. We're not going to just go ahead and take away all your money and guns. Honest. We're just going to try to fix the economy and the country's reputation. We would like to work WITH you on this -- if you think you could stand to make a few compromises? We're willing to talk... honest!

[casio]

First I would like to say that I spent most of my adult life in Hawaii and know some of the families whos children went to school with Obama and I know about his "white grandmother" and have met her often. I am also friends with some of Obama's nieghbors. Some of these people have a strong positive feeling about him and his family, however, most have a very negative feeling for them. One thing I do know is that he was a very strong believer in Islam and practiced it as a devoted person. Because of this I do not believe he is a true Christian. His grandmother was a shrewed calculating business women and a political savy person with absolutely no mercy in her heart.

Obama is a corrupt politician and has been since he got involved with the so called community organizers. Just as in his campaign he and his attorneys used threats of legal action to intimidate all who opposed him. He used his old buddies in ACCORN to commit voter fraud, he accpeted funds from foriegn organizations and has refused to release the list of names. He has never fully and honestly proved his citizenship. He is a driven heartless SOB and his wife is the same. He and the other crooks in the DNC have taken more money form special interest groups than most others and that says a lot about where his ploitics are headed. It was the Democrats that started this mess with Clinton signing the deregulation of the financial institutes into law, long before Bush got into office. It was McCain and GWB that tried to head off the disaster but the Democrats blocked every attempt to do so. Pelosi and Ried shelved every bill before it could be voted on.

With Obama in office you can and will see ths U.S. totaly dependent on Arab oil. You will see the military cut off at the knees, no drilling for oil, no coal mines being developed, no nuclear reactors being built, no new refineries and higher and higher fuel costs and electric bills. Many citizens in the north will be left in the cold of winter without heating oil is a good bet too.

This election should teach many in this nation a very important lesson. VOTE WITH YOUR MIND, NOT WITH YOUR WISHFULL THINKING.

Another belief I have now is that anyone under the age of 21 should not be allowed to vote unless they are in the military.

Obama is a world of sh*t that the democrats created and we all will be dragged deeper into the pit with his and the democrats increase of taxes so we the tax payer will be paying for their mistakes for the next ten to twenty years. I have my doubts he will last politicaly and people will see shortly just how stupid and dangerous this man is to our economic and national security.

One more thing, I did vote for McCain, not because I liked him, but becasue I think Obama is bad for this nation.

[elmwood7]

I am sorry Dark Eyes I didn't mean to say you couldn't have an opinion. I meant your opinion about who we elect doesn't matter to us. Just like our opinion of your leaders shouldn't matter to you. And if the US is to blame for every other countries economic problems then maybe your countries should not lean on us to hold up your country.I can't think of anything made in Ireland that I need. Also I doubt you know much about NAFTA or it's policies & affect to our country. Yes our manufacturing industries weren't perfect but statisticly overall it was holding it's own. But NAFTA, Deregulation of our railroads & freight system, transportation act of 1988, transpotation act of 1997 ensured their demise. Casio is right whether people believe him or not. People voted out of emotion not knowledge. And history will bear that out. Unfortunately we will all live it so you will see the effects.

[darkeyes]

First I would like to say that I spent most of my adult life in Hawaii and know some of the families whos children went to school with Obama and I know about his "white grandmother" and have met her often. I am also friends with some of Obama's nieghbors. Some of these people have a strong positive feeling about him and his family, however, most have a very negative feeling for them. One thing I do know is that he was a very strong believer in Islam and practiced it as a devoted person. Because of this I do not believe he is a true Christian. His grandmother was a shrewed calculating business women and a political savy person with absolutely no mercy in her heart.

Obama is a corrupt politician and has been since he got involved with the so called community organizers. Just as in his campaign he and his attorneys used threats of legal action to intimidate all who opposed him. He used his old buddies in ACCORN to commit voter fraud, he accpeted funds from foriegn organizations and has refused to release the list of names. He has never fully and honestly proved his citizenship. He is a driven heartless SOB and his wife is the same. He and the other crooks in the DNC have taken more money form special interest groups than most others and that says a lot about where his ploitics are headed. It was the Democrats that started this mess with Clinton signing the deregulation of the financial institutes into law, long before Bush got into office. It was McCain and GWB that tried to head off the disaster but the Democrats blocked every attempt to do so. Pelosi and Ried shelved every bill before it could be voted on.

With Obama in office you can and will see ths U.S. totaly dependent on Arab oil. You will see the military cut off at the knees, no drilling for oil, no coal mines being developed, no nuclear reactors being built, no new refineries and higher and higher fuel costs and electric bills. Many citizens in the north will be left in the cold of winter without heating oil is a good bet too.

This election should teach many in this nation a very important lesson. VOTE WITH YOUR MIND, NOT WITH YOUR WISHFULL THINKING.

Another belief I have now is that anyone under the age of 21 should not be allowed to vote unless they are in the military.

Obama is a world of sh*t that the democrats created and we all will be dragged deeper into the pit with his and the democrats increase of taxes so we the tax payer will be paying for their mistakes for the next ten to twenty years. I have my doubts he will last politicaly and people will see shortly just how stupid and dangerous this man is to our economic and national security.

One more thing, I did vote for McCain, not because I liked him, but becasue I think Obama is bad for this nation.Now me don wanna getcha inta trubble Casio hun..but the laws a libel in the US r wot precisely????.. an mayb Drew otta take a lil interest an all...

Mayb u shud try thinkin wivya mind.... mite jus save ya loads a money.. rich bastards ere don think twice bout takin a sledgehammer 2 crack a nut... don spose its ne diff wer u cum from...

[hudson9]

...know some of the families whos children went to school with Obama ... I am also friends with some of Obama's nieghbors. Some of these people have a strong positive feeling about him and his family, however, most have a very negative feeling...

...some families of some children... some of some neighbors...
That's several layers of somes... I suspect that there are some friends of some neighbors of some families of some children that went to school with some of my kids who have less than perfect opinions of me... I suspect this is the case w/ you as well.


... in his campaign he and his attorneys used threats of legal action to intimidate all who opposed him. ...

Can you be a little more specific? I followed the campaign pretty closely, listening to multiple news sorces (left & right) and I heard nothing about this. Please identify, if you can.


...He used his old buddies in ACCORN to commit voter fraud...
ACORN has never been convicted, tried, or even charged with voter fraud. You can look it up. There have, however, been multiple documented instances of attempts to interfere w/ Democratic-leaning voters going to the poles -- everything from wholesale purging of voter registrations (most notably in Fla in 200), to email blasts claiming you can't vote if you have unpaid parking tickets, or that Democrats aren't supposed to vote till Wed.


...he accpeted funds from foriegn organizations and has refused to release the list of names...
I personally know (not friend-of-a-friend...) non-citizens who wanted to contribute to his campaign who were told (by his campaign) they couldn't because they weren't citizens. Are you referring to the $260 his Kenyan aunt wanted to contribute? I'm sure that without that $260 McCain would have won... (oh wait, it was returned...)


...He has never fully and honestly proved his citizenship. ...
He was born in Hawaii -- there is no serious dispute of this. Anyone born in the U.S. is a U.S. citizen. Period. There is no other requirement.


...He and the other crooks in the DNC have taken more money form special interest groups than most others ...

Please do a little research. Large contributions to polititians these days come from "Bundlers." According to OpenSecrets.org (the Center for Responsive Politics):

Bundlers are people with friends in high places who, after bumping against personal contribution limits, turn to those friends, associates, and, well, anyone who's willing to give, and deliver the checks to the candidate in one big "bundle."

Even though these donors direct more money to the candidates than anyone else, disclosure can be spotty, with Obama and McCain posting bundlers by ranges ... Together, as of August 18, 534 elites have directed at least $75,750,000 to McCain, and 561 have gathered at least $63,200,000 for Obama.
The big difference in fundraising was in the many independent small contributions made to Obama, that is, individual contributions under $200 -- not the type of contributions made by powerful "special interest" groups.


...people will see shortly just how stupid and dangerous this man is to our economic and national security.

Well, there I agree with you. Time will, indeed tell, just as it did for George Bush. So, just keep an open mind.

[catcir1]

... an wen it wos US economic woes an incompetencies wich STARTED the current recession, wivout whom the nations a the world will find it so much harder 2 dig themselvs outa the economic mire it finds itsel in...

Well, here we go again Dark...causing me to make insightful and compelling points as I am want to do. Keep in mind that it is also good 'ol American ingenuity and know-how that also keeps the planet humming economically in the good times. The nations of the world have experienced much greater economic prosperity than had we simply ceased to be. As the old adage goes, "When America sneezes, the rest of the world catches a cold." Also keep in mind that our economic recession effects us too. It's not just the bad 'ol US of A economically spanking the rest of the world. Our jobs and our welfare are on the line too. If you think we are all not just as pissed of about it as you are, you simply need to look at this last election. When we pull out of this, and we will, the rising tide will lift all ships including, I hope, yours.
I definitely think you are entitled to your opinion, but I love my country and what it stands for...so I am unable to simply stand idley by while people throw stones. Great powers, including your nation, do not become great by always being nice. Wanting it to be that way doesn't change the reality that this is a violent world. Isolationism would be the death of us, and it would take the rest of the world with us.

[Falke]

Jeez, people, lighten the f*** up!!


Well, relax. We're not going to just go ahead and take away all your money and guns. Honest. We're just going to try to fix the economy and the country's reputation. We would like to work WITH you on this -- if you think you could stand to make a few compromises? We're willing to talk... honest!


Ok, I could make a deal. First, let's throw the radicals on both sides into a very large room and let them have a battle to the death. Now, while this is going on... the rest of us congregate and figure out how to fix this country! :bigrin:

[allbimyself]

Ok, I could make a deal. First, let's throw the radicals on both sides into a very large room and let them have a battle to the death. Now, while this is going on... the rest of us congregate and figure out how to fix this country! :bigrin:Heh. Sounds like a plan to me.

[darkeyes]

Well, here we go again Dark...causing me to make insightful and compelling points as I am want to do. Keep in mind that it is also good 'ol American ingenuity and know-how that also keeps the planet humming economically in the good times. The nations of the world have experienced much greater economic prosperity than had we simply ceased to be. As the old adage goes, "When America sneezes, the rest of the world catches a cold." Also keep in mind that our economic recession effects us too. It's not just the bad 'ol US of A economically spanking the rest of the world. Our jobs and our welfare are on the line too. If you think we are all not just as pissed of about it as you are, you simply need to look at this last election. When we pull out of this, and we will, the rising tide will lift all ships including, I hope, yours.
I definitely think you are entitled to your opinion, but I love my country and what it stands for...so I am unable to simply stand idley by while people throw stones. Great powers, including your nation, do not become great by always being nice. Wanting it to be that way doesn't change the reality that this is a violent world. Isolationism would be the death of us, and it would take the rest of the world with us.Dunno wot 2 say me lil puddie tat.. yea me dus..almos ruined me image for a mo ther... an wot me gorra say will say in English jus so ya undastand clearly. This will b long..me dus that sumtimes..:tong:

First of all, your opening statement is a little arrogant as well as simply untrue. The world would get along without American ingenuity rather well in time. Economically it would also survive. The US is not the only nation on earth which produces geniuses and people able to invent and develop technologies to keep the humanity going. We are the substance of modern and ancient invention by many innovators and brilliant people most of whom were and are not American. Where we may find common ground, is that in this day and age the United States produces a far greater number of such people than any other single country, and the world in so many ways would be truly much poorer for their absence. Technologically we would not be anywhere near as far advanced as we are now. Yet had the inventors of all nations of ages past not made their many innovations exactly the same could be said. Many inventions of other peoples have been jumped on and developed by the US because they have both the resources other nations do not, as well as a determination which in the late 20th and early 21st centuries seemed and seems to exist in no other people, although before long the Chinese may have something to say about that. I am here making no claim about the cost of technological development save to say that it is dear..and in time I hope we as a species can use our wit and genius to avoid that cost being prohibitive... the price of failing to do so does not bear thinking about.

I am equally aware that when the US economy is buzzing the world buzzes with you.. relatively speaking. That is not meant as a back handed compliment merely a recognition of the fact that no other country has either your economic resources or access to technology, and few have your material and natural resources so by definition it must be said to be relative. I have not accused the USA of deliberately spanking the rest of us economically with this crash.. that would be stupid and quite untrue...but it is a fact that it was economic incompetence by American Governemnt and institutions which created it. The fact that the crash has exposed shortcomings in the economies and institutions of other countries may in the long term prove to be no bad thing, but such a performance by no other economy could have produced so many repercussions for everyone on earth. The world needs a strong US economy to prosper and I know that as well as you and we too are "pissed" that things arent going well.. jobs, welfare, health, manufacturing capability, the financial institutions will all suffer and suffer appallingly. Mostly however it is the ordinary people around the globe who will suffer the greatest harm.

I love my country as much as you do yours, and yet I am not so sensitive to criticism of it. God knows it has much that can be criticised and I encourage that. Certainly not criticism from friends and that which is constructive and poignant. I do not throw stones. If I did I would miss as my brother world tell you. I do pick up on points which I feel should be picked up on and commented upon.

I do not accept the US as a great power, nor do I accept my own ever was one. There has never been a truly "great" power. I suppose it depends on our respective definition of "greatness".. but they may have been powerful powers, superpowers, (and the US is certainly the most powerful we have ever seen) call them what you will, for my definition of greatness is not in strength of military or economy, but of true compassion, non-violence and love in the face of all adversity. In aiding our neigbours at all times when they need it, without strings attached... no demands..no expectations.. simply helping in times of need..looking at and calling no nation enemy and accepting that all peoples are different, with different values, traditions and culture.. not imposing our will on others but working by persuasion and co-operation...having true and real equality, in status, access to health, employment opportunity and education provision, tolerance of all philosophies which and people who preach and do no harm. I am a pacifist absolute Cattie hun.. it is an ideal I know, and humanity is unready for such a philosophy I know that also. I often talk about dreams Cattie.. that is one of mine and in time..God knows how many centuries or millenia ahead I hope and believe it will happen. Then nations should they still exist may, possibly, be considered truly great...

Your country does much good Cattie hun. More than any nation in history. Often however sometimes that good is tainted by demands which should never be made.. conditional good is better than none arguably. Often it simply does just good..out of a generous nature and for that I will always applaud. Yet the US also does much harm, and it is no use denying it, for you have just had an election the result of which is as much a tacit acceptance of that fact as it is simply an expression of the peoples choice. More so I would say. I am an avid watcher of your country and dont just get my information from the BBC. In fact Auntie Beeb is not the best or most informative channel about the US I could get information from. I have watched over the last few years as the more generous and tolerant nature of your people has increasingly made inroads into the intolerant and viscious stupidity of the religious right, and of the party which it seems to have by the balls, as they understand finally the bankruptcy and vindictiveness of their philosophies and policies.

So please hun, try and understand. I do not knock for the sake of knocking. I speak as I see, and am sure sometimes I get things wrong. Just please understand that my criticism is done not out of malicious intent but because I care about the world I live in and the people who are its inhabitants. That includes you and every other citizen of your country... and those I know and have known personally, and the many I have met here and elsewhere on line I like greatly. Not all.. but there are many of my own countrymen and women I cant stand the sight or even thought of.. but like or dislike, I can have feeling and compassion for them and wish no harm or personal misfortune ever to come their way.

To end then I say this.. if the USA was mysteriously transported to a another lovely blue/green planet by little green men, those of us left on earth would struggle for a long time, yet we would survive and thrive. We would be much the poorer for your absence, but in time humanity on this little blue green planet would most definately survive and thrive, because of humankind's natural genius and innovative nature... which as you well know comes to fore in times of greatest adversity. We need America and its people.. but not absolutely.. no individual is indespensable..equally no nation is either...

[darkeyes]

Heh. Sounds like a plan to me.

Allbi wonts 2 lok me away wiv 'orrible nasty peeps an wotch me die!!!!!!!:eek: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!! :(

[Falke]

Heh. Sounds like a plan to me.

That settles it! *Raises bottle of Warsteiner* Cheers!

[darkeyes]

That settles it! *Raises bottle of Warsteiner* Cheers!

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Zwit wonts me dead an all....:(

[DiamondDog]

ugh not the blue state vs. red state stuff again.

blue-was your text in red on purpose?

[catcir1]

To end then I say this.. if the USA was mysteriously transported to a another lovely blue/green planet by little green men, those of us left on earth would struggle for a long time, yet we would survive and thrive. We would be much the poorer for your absence, but in time humanity on this little blue green planet would most definately survive and thrive, because of humankind's natural genius and innovative nature... which as you well know comes to fore in times of greatest adversity. We need America and its people.. but not absolutely.. no individual is indespensable..equally no nation is either...

Well, Dark. I am almost struck dumb. You are indeed an eloquent and thoughtful woman. I could pick at some of your points, but that would destroy the overall tone of your discourse, so I won't. The vitriol I expected was much tempered with humanity and reason.
Arrogance, by the way, is something of a toy I use to tease with. I'm also a Texan, and as I'm sure most American's will tell you, we are the most arrogant of all. That is, until the target leaves the room and we laugh at how he did or did not pass the arrogance test. It is a "false arrogance", I guess.
All I can say to you Dark is that your response is among one of the most honest I have heard from a liberal. Lefty's in the US tend to rant. Yours was thoughtful and honest. Indeed, we do not agree on many things...of that I am certain...but I will say this, I think that conversation over a glass of wine would surely turn into a bottle. I love smart people and those who can express themselves with clarity and emotion without all the anger.
And hey, at the end of the day at least we can agree on one thing...we both like women. ;)

[CuddlyKate]

All I can say to you Dark is that your response is among one of the most honest I have heard from a liberal. Oh dear. Oh dear dear.:(

[still_shy]

uh oh....:(

[darkeyes]

S'ok Kate.. me can take bein called honest.. tee hee:bigrin: the liberal bit stiks in me throat tho.... ne ways.. Cattie betta wotch out cos that bottle a plonk 'e wonts 2 share mite jus b bonked an broken ova is nut for that lil funny.. tee hee.. bit stingy tho innit babes?? A bottle a plonk.... easy 2 c 'e cums from rong sida the pond....:bigrin:

An Cattie..course the left rant..we gorra lot 2 rant bout... all the rite dus is scare an throw summa those stones ya wer talkin bout... an they usually miss the target an all...;) Next time ya calls me liberal me mite jus take the huff!!!:bigrin:

[catcir1]

S'ok Kate.. me can take bein called honest.. tee hee:bigrin: the liberal bit stiks in me throat tho.... ne ways.. Cattie betta wotch out cos that bottle a plonk 'e wonts 2 share mite jus b bonked an broken ova is nut for that lil funny.. tee hee.. bit stingy tho innit babes?? A bottle a plonk.... easy 2 c 'e cums from rong sida the pond....:bigrin:

An Cattie..course the left rant..we gorra lot 2 rant bout... all the rite dus is scare an throw summa those stones ya wer talkin bout... an they usually miss the target an all...;) Next time ya calls me liberal me mite jus take the huff!!!:bigrin:

Apparently I got off relatively easy on that one judging by the responses, even though my dear Dark did threaten me with a beating. Ain't it just like a liberal to get violent...;)

[CuddlyKate]

Apparently I got off relatively easy on that one judging by the responses, even though my dear Dark did threaten me with a beating. Ain't it just like a liberal to get violent...;)Sweetheart, I don't want to upset you too much, but she isn't your Dark. Her heart belongs to quite another.;)

You are lucky however, that she is no liberal.:)

[catcir1]

Sweetheart, I don't want to upset you too much, but she isn't your Dark. Her heart belongs to quite another.;)

You are lucky however, that she is no liberal.:)

lol...I know as much Kate. First and foremost my gender would preclude that. However, in Texas it is simply a term of endearment and not a pledge. ;)

[darkeyes]

lol...I know as much Kate. First and foremost my gender would preclude that. However, in Texas it is simply a term of endearment and not a pledge. ;)
She jus pullin ya leg ya dipstik... 'is 'ere an all..:tong: long as its jus the rite or left leg me will forgive 'er...:bigrin:

Anyas pushin it wiv the liberal bit.... me's gettin a lil tetchy now..so wotch it....;):bigrin:

[jbilove]

Dear Blue States,

Okay, when you secede, we will wait a while till you're real high on smoke. Then when our volunteer armed forces return from wherever their commander in chief has sent them, we will act. We will bring them, and all our rednecks with guns, and take whatever the hell we want. Because you will not have guns. Your young men will be playing XBOX or Wii. Your loss of free speech will prevent you from crying out against it (while you're at the beach). You'll be hiding in dark corners because you can't smoke in any public places, not even bars. You won't have the population to defend yourself because same sex marriage has left you with few children, except the clones and test tubies. Your civil defense force will be damn scary butches that can't use lethal force due to philosophy. You won't have God to pray to for help. The French will feel they gave you enough when you have the Statue of Liberty. The Russians and Chinese will just keep stealing the oil off your coast because, let's face it, what are you gonna do about it? Iran will offer to give you some of the nukes they DIDN"T use to destroy Isreal with. Like that's gonna do a pacifist any good. You won't be able to hack our command and control because all the good jobs have gone to illegal immigrants who have changed all the programming code to broken Mexican "Si" ++. And the rest will be watching CNN telling you that "There really is NO DANGER."

And after we are finished, we will sell those of you who remain your own weed back to you so you can remain stupid, believing that Liberal Socialist Fascism actually works.


Just remember, the blue states are only blue in the urban areas. You get outside the urban areas, it's all blue. You call it flyover country. We call it, THE COUNTRY. We haven't started playing "Cowboy and Liberal Fascist" yet.

Congratulations on the election of your beloved Barack Hussein Obama. He will be most welcome in your country. He wasn't even born in ours, and is ineligible to serve as President.

Regards,
The Red States




Grow the Frack up!!!

[jbilove]

Grow Up. You are obviously someone who doesn't know what the U.S. is all about. Obama was born in the U.S. We don't have to believe what we see in the rag sheets.

Same sex marriage is something that was granted in the U.S. Constitution, remember the right to pursue happiness.

People like you need to move to restrictive countries like Israel or Russia. Keep this out of this conversation.

[BumbleB]

Dear Blue States,

Okay, when you secede, we will wait a while till you're real high on smoke. Then when our volunteer armed forces return from wherever their commander in chief has sent them, we will act. We will bring them, and all our rednecks with guns, and take whatever the hell we want. Because you will not have guns. Your young men will be playing XBOX or Wii. Your loss of free speech will prevent you from crying out against it (while you're at the beach). You'll be hiding in dark corners because you can't smoke in any public places, not even bars. You won't have the population to defend yourself because same sex marriage has left you with few children, except the clones and test tubies. Your civil defense force will be damn scary butches that can't use lethal force due to philosophy. You won't have God to pray to for help. The French will feel they gave you enough when you have the Statue of Liberty. The Russians and Chinese will just keep stealing the oil off your coast because, let's face it, what are you gonna do about it? Iran will offer to give you some of the nukes they DIDN"T use to destroy Isreal with. Like that's gonna do a pacifist any good. You won't be able to hack our command and control because all the good jobs have gone to illegal immigrants who have changed all the programming code to broken Mexican "Si" ++. And the rest will be watching CNN telling you that "There really is NO DANGER."

And after we are finished, we will sell those of you who remain your own weed back to you so you can remain stupid, believing that Liberal Socialist Fascism actually works.


Just remember, the blue states are only blue in the urban areas. You get outside the urban areas, it's all blue. You call it flyover country. We call it, THE COUNTRY. We haven't started playing "Cowboy and Liberal Fascist" yet.

Congratulations on the election of your beloved Barack Hussein Obama. He will be most welcome in your country. He wasn't even born in ours, and is ineligible to serve as President.

Regards,
The Red States



Goddamn I hope you didn't write it, it has ignorance written all over it.

Oh by the way, since when was Hawaii not part of the US, because I could've sworn "The state was admitted to the Union on August 21, 1959, making it the 50th state." Dumbass is Rush Limbaugh telling you these things?

[rissababynta]

Wooooooow.

1.) I think it's cute. You don't...okay...I do. So wah.

2.) It's a joke. Like any of the states are ACTUALLY going to try and secede. If you seriously think that...you need your head checked.

3.) I don't really have a 3...but I forget how fuckin' uptight some people here can be. GET OVER YOURSELVES!

hmmm...

i for one am glad that i can take a joke otherwise I'd be flipping out like everyone else and my day would be ruined haha

[JP1986UM]

I hate to wade into this fracas, but there are some errors going on I think should be dismissed.

#1 - There are a few other states beside Texas which have abilities to merely declare independence and there is nothing the US govt can do. Montana is one and I think ND is another among a few. The reasons revolve around their contract with the Union regarding the 2nd Amendment. In the event the right to bear arms is infringed and the state feels that its contract was altered due to that infringement, it can leave the Union immediately. Montana, in 2008 or 2007 threatened this very action and Nazi Peloser backed down on her threat to ban most weapons in the House bills.

#2 - We don't really know WHERE Obama was born since Nobody of record has ever seen his birthcert in the press. The one placed on his web site was determined to be a complete forgery (nice start, but its a Chicago mainstay). The argument is that in the 60's period in which he was born, a US citizen could be born overseas and then get a certificate of live birth without the location being mentioned. The discrepancy comes with the law about US residence and teenagers having children and not lived in the US for 10 consecutive years which his mother clearly did not. If he was born in Kenya during this period, he did not qualify for US citizenship. That question will never be answer truthfully, only speculatively.

#3 - there was also question about how he travelled to countries on a US passport as a child into countries US citizens would not have been allowed access on a US passport, but could have on an Indonesian passport or whatever country his alcoholic father had citizenship in.

#4 - I didn't vote for either of these two losers since I knew neither could fix the current problems and will only add to it. I merely hope the damage they do by adding $1,000,000,000,000 to the US debt load won't put such a tax burden on my family in years to come that it makes living in Sweden look like an upgrade. Never before has adding tremendous debt ever helped an economy out of a recession or depression.

#5 - Dissent is an American birthright. People on he Right should give Pres. Obama as much leeway and the Left gave President Bush during his tenure. Which means protests should start right about.....now.

#6 - A person not paying any taxes who gets money from the govt for taxes not paid is welfare by any other name. If you paid $0 taxes, you should get $0 in a tax reduction. I don't care if they don't make as much as I do, they don't pay any taxes and that is the goal of many politicians to buy as many votes as they can to remain in power, not run an efficient government. If you think otherwise, just see Obama's recent quotes about getting re-elected. He's already running a campaign to do so.

#7 - and most importantly, if you place your faith in a man in a suit, you'll fall for anything they say and ignore everything they do. You are an idiot. If Washington were blown up tomorrow, the world would be a much better place 10 minutes later.

[Dano111]

Dear Blue States,

Okay, when you secede, we will wait a while till you're real high on smoke. Then when our volunteer armed forces return from wherever their commander in chief has sent them, we will act. We will bring them, and all our rednecks with guns, and take whatever the hell we want. Because you will not have guns. Your young men will be playing XBOX or Wii. Your loss of free speech will prevent you from crying out against it (while you're at the beach). You'll be hiding in dark corners because you can't smoke in any public places, not even bars. You won't have the population to defend yourself because same sex marriage has left you with few children, except the clones and test tubies. Your civil defense force will be damn scary butches that can't use lethal force due to philosophy. You won't have God to pray to for help. The French will feel they gave you enough when you have the Statue of Liberty. The Russians and Chinese will just keep stealing the oil off your coast because, let's face it, what are you gonna do about it? Iran will offer to give you some of the nukes they DIDN"T use to destroy Isreal with. Like that's gonna do a pacifist any good. You won't be able to hack our command and control because all the good jobs have gone to illegal immigrants who have changed all the programming code to broken Mexican "Si" ++. And the rest will be watching CNN telling you that "There really is NO DANGER."

And after we are finished, we will sell those of you who remain your own weed back to you so you can remain stupid, believing that Liberal Socialist Fascism actually works.


Just remember, the blue states are only blue in the urban areas. You get outside the urban areas, it's all blue. You call it flyover country. We call it, THE COUNTRY. We haven't started playing "Cowboy and Liberal Fascist" yet.

Congratulations on the election of your beloved Barack Hussein Obama. He will be most welcome in your country. He wasn't even born in ours, and is ineligible to serve as President.

Regards,
The Red States



Thank you Dano

[hudson9]

Oh, please!! The world would be such a better place if people actually took a few minutes to check out these internet and talk radio rumors/conspiracy theories/claims before reciting them like some mindless parrot. Just for starters, check out:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/is_barack_obama_a_us_citizen_y.html

And way back on Oct. 26, 2008, LegalNewsline ( http://legalnewsline.com/news/216858-obama-citizen-question-goes-to-u.s.-supreme-court ) reported that, after his suit was DISMISSED, Philip Berg was going to appeal to the Supreme Court.

Now, let's stop and think for a minute. Does anyone think that the Supreme Court that gave Bush the Presidency in the first place, and then acquired a couple of ADDITIONAL Bush appointees -- if they could have found any possible excuse to keep Obama and the Dems out of the White House, they wouldn't have done it???

As far as freedom of speech goes -- it was Cheney who darkly stated there would be "consequences" for people who opposed the Iraq war, and Ann Coulter who said the NY Times should be "blown up." I haven't heard anyone from the Obama team threatening Limbaugh or Hannity.

You want to protest -- go right ahead. Just do me one favor: try to make a coherent argument and a logical statement for your position (whatever it may be) based on actual facts, rather than unsupported sound bites. That's not a requirement, just a request.

[FLArkie]

Shows the true ignorance of the liberals.

By the way, Florida has the best beaches in the continental USA.

[JP1986UM]

Shows the true ignorance of the liberals.

By the way, Florida has the best beaches in the continental USA.

Very true, there's more twink meat on those beaches in So Fla, I'd never get to work if I lived there again.:tongue: