Farewell George W Bush, Genius...........

[IanGray]

Yes it's nearly time to say farewell to George W Bush, intelegent navigator, outstanding linguist and brilliant Global statesman.

I mean, who else would notice that the french do not have a word for entrepreneur. It is also possible that he will eventually find Wales.

Who would know 'Amigo' is an italian word, something the italians did not realize themselves.

So goodby to a wonderful person who never put a foot wrong, but put it firmly in the mouth.

Good old George. :tongue:

[darkeyes]

Not quite farewell yet Ian hun...e don go for a few months yet...still time for Armageddon...tee hee.. an mayb a few more lil foot in gob gaffs...:tong:

[JustaguyIndy]

I wouldn't put it past him, or that evil minion with his hand up W's ass, Cheney. Especially if the US goes for Obama, W and the pubes will try to make the situation worse for a Dem candidate to try to rectify their messes.

[FalconAngel]

The most frightening thing that I read (this was last year) was that Bush signed an executive order allowing him to stay in office for as long as we are in a war.

If this is true, then it would cause a civil war, allowing him to enact martial law and would, very effectively destroy the country.

If someone other than McBush and Bible-spice get elected, then if what I read is true, he might just do it.

I hope that what I read is wrong, but, considering what he has done, while in office, that has violated his oath of office and a number of laws, I wouldn't put it past him.

[azirish]

You are aware ACORN is working for Obama?





I wouldn't put it past him, or that evil minion with his hand up W's ass, Cheney. Especially if the US goes for Obama, W and the pubes will try to make the situation worse for a Dem candidate to try to rectify their messes.

[chuck1124]

Where do you folks get your information. An executive order cannot over-ride the Constitution. Let's use a little common sense. History will prove that George W. Bush was not a bad a President as the media would have you think. If you read a bit of history, Lincoln was villified throughout his presidency until he was assasinated. He was pictured in the media as a country bumpkin that was too dumb, and too unsophisticated to be President. But history vindicated Lincoln. I am not comparing Bush to Lincoln. But Bush as been blamed for everything from the weather to the current economic situation, and not all of it is his fault. Some of it of course. But not all of it. Let's try to be honest about this.

[JustaguyIndy]

You are aware ACORN is working for Obama?

And you are implying what? Obama and several others represented Acorn a number of years ago, but what does this have to do with anything? if you just want to imply "connections," then what about McCain's connections to:

1.) Pastor John Hagee

2.) Thomas Muthee

3.) Mustafa Abu Naba

4.) Ali Jawad

5.) Oliver North

6.) Charles Keating

7.) Gordon Liddy

8.) Kemper Marley

9.) Don Diamond

10.) Marilyn Shannon, etc.

Those of us voting for Obama are not idiots.

[Realist]

It'll take a few years to see who the idiots really are....it's too early to see!

Just like in Lincoln's time, history takes a while to write and right now it's easy to say one, or the other party is doing the right thing. As far as I'm concerned, we haven't had any decent presidents since Harry Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy.

Then again, is this an appropriate subject for this site?

[Annika L]

It'll take a few years to see who the idiots really are....it's too early to see!

Just like in Lincoln's time, history takes a while to write and right now it's easy to say one, or the other party is doing the right thing. As far as I'm concerned, we haven't had any decent presidents since Harry Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy.

Then again, is this an appropriate subject for this site?

Oh, I think it's pretty clear who the idiots are.

I do agree with you about no decent presidents since Truman, Eisenhower, and Kennedy...but when's the last time we had a decent public for a decent president to preside over?

Finally, there is no such thing as an *inappropriate* subject for this site...if it is of interest to at least one member, it is relevant...if it isn't, nobody will post it.

[12voltman59]

Wow--this will shock everyone!!!!! :bigrin::bigrin:

I will be SSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOO GLAD to watch George and Laura board Air Force One---actually the plane will be identified by its number designation instead of AF One since Bush will no longer be the president-----for their last flight back to Crawford--and it will be especially good to see Dick and Lynn Cheney leave Washington for the last time--I think they are going to be moving to that faux island that was built off the coast of Dubai for a handful of the world's uber-rich--that is where the rest of Dick's Halliburton cronies are now living---

Even though the George and Dick show has been cancelled---it will take years for the damage they have wrought to be rectfied----and in the time between Tuesday and January 20, 2009--they are sure to see what other ways they can muck things up---they are already going to put through a whole set of new regulation relaxations that are going to be tough for a new president and Congress to undo---so they will be leaving some goodbye goodies behind so we don't forget them!!!!

Such great guys they are!!!!

They have left the economy in shambles, as is a goodly chunk of the Gulf Coast is thanks to their incompetent handling of Katrina and Rita, the military is badly broken thanks to Iraq--and while Iraq seems to be getting better-- those improvements are still fragile--Afghanistan is proving to be broken and could be a real mess. Millions of jobs gone--many to China, never to return---record budget deficits and debt---

Wow--what a success the Bush administration has been!!!---- But what do ya expect when you elect a regime that hates government and the people in it always like to talk about how fucked up goverment is???---well they made sure its fucked up for sure now----

Dick Cheney had a good time though----he is worth something like about ten or twenty times more now then when he came into office thanks to the growth in his holdings in Halliburton--talk about "income re-distribution"--billions and billions of US taxpayer money went into the coffers of Halliburton and its subsidiaries thanks to untold numbers of "no bid contracts" given to Halliburton and related companies to provide goods and services to our military that used to be the purview of the military to provide for itself in wartime---that sort of income re-distribution doesn't get mentioned by the McPalin campaign.

Oh well--let 'em have their blood money---I guess we won't get justice for Bush/Cheney in this life and world---but lets hope there is a God---and a devil--with hell just like it's described in the Bible---the Bible does say that rich people don't have much chance of getting into heaven---may old Bezelbub have a special place reserved for the Dickster and Georgie---they sure as hell have made this life a living hell for many people---Americans and Iraquis alike!!!

Goodbye George and Dick--don't let the door hit you on your arses on the way out of Washington!!

Hell--I didn't even mention things like Habeaus Corpus gone; torture of prisoners of war; the outing of a CIA operative--an outing that did indeed, according to a number of Valerie Plame's fellow CIA officers, lead to people in places like Russia and nasty places n the MidEast either having been killed or left to rot in places that were worse than death; politicization of the US Justice Department in the firing of REPUBLICAN US District Attorneys who refused to play poitical games by not engaging in wrongful prosecutions sought by one of the President's top political operatives; that there was SPYING on innocent US CITIZENS by the NSA!!!---just to mention a few other highlights of the past eight years thanks to the Georgie and Dickster Show!!!!

[FerSureMaybe]

The most frightening thing that I read (this was last year) was that Bush signed an executive order allowing him to stay in office for as long as we are in a war.

If this is true, then it would cause a civil war, allowing him to enact martial law and would, very effectively destroy the country.

If someone other than McBush and Bible-spice get elected, then if what I read is true, he might just do it.

I hope that what I read is wrong, but, considering what he has done, while in office, that has violated his oath of office and a number of laws, I wouldn't put it past him.


If he did that, someone would assassinate him (not me whoever is monitoring this board because the patriot act lets you:]), but someone or heck a lot of different someones would definitely try. I'm honestly surprised no one's tried yet, but yea, someone would. I honestly think people would think they were a hero too, which would be really weird.

[captslaprock]

VOLTY I'VE GOT TWO THINGS TO SAY TO YOU

TELL US HOW YOU REALLY FEEL & AMEN BROTHER

[AFTER9]

One thing that will happen is that our respect around the world will change for the better. That will do nothing but help in matters of national security and diplomacy.
Obama and to a lesser degree McCain both are seen through the worlds eyes as preferable to Bush. It should help everybody work through these complex problems instead of the "Your either with us or against us mentality"
The mentality that has no middle ground for the Switerzlands of the world.
My hope is that the new administration will have more of a eyes wide open minds the same way rather than reckless arrogant war hawk policies.

[hydropop]

It'll take a few years to see who the idiots really are....it's too early to see!

Just like in Lincoln's time, history takes a while to write and right now it's easy to say one, or the other party is doing the right thing. As far as I'm concerned, we haven't had any decent presidents since Harry Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy.

Then again, is this an appropriate subject for this site?



Your right , and at this time were in the laws that Clinton put in affect in his time in office. Dont they say be careful for what you ask for?

Were in for a rude awaking when we get torn apart from with in the white house.

[hydropop]

Wow--this will shock everyone!!!!! :bigrin::bigrin:

I will be SSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOO GLAD to watch George and Laura board Air Force One---actually the plane will be identified by its number designation instead of AF One since Bush will no longer be the president-----for their last flight back to Crawford--and it will be especially good to see Dick and Lynn Cheney leave Washington for the last time--I think they are going to be moving to that faux island that was built off the coast of Dubai for a handful of the world's uber-rich--that is where the rest of Dick's Halliburton cronies are now living---

Even though the George and Dick show has been cancelled---it will take years for the damage they have wrought to be rectfied----and in the time between Tuesday and January 20, 2009--they are sure to see what other ways they can muck things up---they are already going to put through a whole set of new regulation relaxations that are going to be tough for a new president and Congress to undo---so they will be leaving some goodbye goodies behind so we don't forget them!!!!

Such great guys they are!!!!

They have left the economy in shambles, as is a goodly chunk of the Gulf Coast is thanks to their incompetent handling of Katrina and Rita, the military is badly broken thanks to Iraq--and while Iraq seems to be getting better-- those improvements are still fragile--Afghanistan is proving to be broken and could be a real mess. Millions of jobs gone--many to China, never to return---record budget deficits and debt---

Wow--what a success the Bush administration has been!!!---- But what do ya expect when you elect a regime that hates government and the people in it always like to talk about how fucked up goverment is???---well they made sure its fucked up for sure now----

Dick Cheney had a good time though----he is worth something like about ten or twenty times more now then when he came into office thanks to the growth in his holdings in Halliburton--talk about "income re-distribution"--billions and billions of US taxpayer money went into the coffers of Halliburton and its subsidiaries thanks to untold numbers of "no bid contracts" given to Halliburton and related companies to provide goods and services to our military that used to be the purview of the military to provide for itself in wartime---that sort of income re-distribution doesn't get mentioned by the McPalin campaign.

Oh well--let 'em have their blood money---I guess we won't get justice for Bush/Cheney in this life and world---but lets hope there is a God---and a devil--with hell just like it's described in the Bible---the Bible does say that rich people don't have much chance of getting into heaven---may old Bezelbub have a special place reserved for the Dickster and Georgie---they sure as hell have made this life a living hell for many people---Americans and Iraquis alike!!!

Goodbye George and Dick--don't let the door hit you on your arses on the way out of Washington!!

Hell--I didn't even mention things like Habeaus Corpus gone; torture of prisoners of war; the outing of a CIA operative--an outing that did indeed, according to a number of Valerie Plame's fellow CIA officers, lead to people in places like Russia and nasty places n the MidEast either having been killed or left to rot in places that were worse than death; politicization of the US Justice Department in the firing of REPUBLICAN US District Attorneys who refused to play poitical games by not engaging in wrongful prosecutions sought by one of the President's top political operatives; that there was SPYING on innocent US CITIZENS by the NSA!!!---just to mention a few other highlights of the past eight years thanks to the Georgie and Dickster Show!!!!



Where do you get all your mis information and hatred from.

[void()]

Recently saw the latest Raiders of the Lost Ark movie. Loved one scene in particular. A Russian Natasha had Indy surrounded by goons with guns.

"What, no famously defiant last words doctor Jones?"

Classic Indy, "I liked Ike."

What does this have to do with the new King George? Not a damn thing. See, I'm already free and he can never take that away. I have no concern of him and his goons.

This was a lesson taught me by an uncle that served in 'Nam. "You can not win against an enemy that does not fight because they've already won and are already free." I'd rather be watching Indiana Jones than bothering over some despot megalomaniac king.

What is he king of anyway? A nation of apathetic fools that can be led to war by using fear? People who've submitted to terrorism?

Um, okay. Excuse me if I'm not afraid of mindless zombies. Everyone knows you just shoot 'em in the head and are done with it. Not suggesting anything here, merely stating if it has to come to that, we'll be ready here. I can fire off three black powder rounds in under a minute, four if really pushed. But, I've no intention of fighting back, already free.

Alright, back to cellulose fantasy. Run it slow.

[Randy from Pa]

If these two were'nt running for President,who would you vote for? And it doesnt have to be a politician.

[csrakate]

Well...for those of you who haven't had enough of "Bushisms", may I suggest this so that they may live on in perpetuity in your very own home! It comes complete with a variety of sayings such as:

1. "It's clearly a budget it's got a lot of numbers in it"
2. "You can't take the high horse and then claim the low road"
3. "The future will be better tomorrow"
4. "I believe that humans and fish can co-exist peacefully"
5. "Rarely is the question asked is our children learning"

[12voltman59]

Where do you get all your mis information and hatred from.

Uhhh--excuse me--I got my information from the news--not FAUX News or Rush Limbaugh--but the rest of the media--once they started to do their jobs and investigate things instead of roll over and get their bellies rubbed like good lap dogs---

And being pissed off--yeah I am pissed off--I do love my country and feel that being America---we do have a higher set of ideals to stand for--something sorely lacking in these past eight years----Bush has made a mockery of most of the things we have stood for as a country---even to things like running an economy or a war--something Republicans are supposed to be good at but he failed miserably at both of them--any spin to the contrary set aside.

These observations are not what I say---but what many top Republican figures have been saying the same thing---George Bush has been a disaster for America and for the Republican Party.

I had to add this---I get dissed for being "an angry white man" who happens to be ranting about my feelings on the politcal world from the liberal perspective and "I am all misinformed and full of hate!" but if Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly does the same thing for years on radio or television respectively from the conservative perspective----that is great!!



OK---diss Colin Powell as an ungrateful, turncoat---but other top Republicans--like Ken Duberstein--former Reagan White House Chief of Staff has come out in support of Obama as has Peggy Noonan-Reagan's chief speech writer throughout much of his time in office to name but a few prominent ones---

As to my laundry list of reasons why I am happy to see Bush be gone--I don't think that I am substantially wrong on any point---I have kept up over the years with the large body of reportage on all of the various things that have come up these past eight years that didn't make it on the radar of "the mainstream media."

Of course--you can find plenty of work out there that runs contrary to the critical reporting of Bush by those whose job it is to cover up, gloss over and explain away the things the Bush Adminstration did----what it really comes down to----as Bill Clinton said-----"it all depends on what your definition of is-is!" So I guess you do believe the things that fit your world view and reject contrary views.

I was not doing reporting here---I was bloviating-----so I can engage in some hyperbole----but--as far as the basic facts regarding the many failings of the Bush Administration---I feel pretty secure in the essential validity of those facts, SSSOOOOOO "that's my story and I'm sticking to it!!!!" :bigrin::bigrin:

Just an afterthought--I get dissed for being a ranting "angry white man" on the "liberal side" and I am all "misinformed and full of hate"--but guys like Rush or Bill do the same thing for years on radio and TV making millions of bucks spouting the things they do and it's fine-but I am wrong for doing it here???

[IanGray]

Well...for those of you who haven't had enough of "Bushisms", may I suggest this so that they may live on in perpetuity in your very own home! It comes complete with a variety of sayings such as:

1. "It's clearly a budget it's got a lot of numbers in it"
2. "You can't take the high horse and then claim the low road"
3. "The future will be better tomorrow"
4. "I believe that humans and fish can co-exist peacefully"
5. "Rarely is the question asked is our children learning"

Well, at least someone got the point of my thread. How could anyone vote for such a comedien, let alone take him seriously.

Good night George, member of the comedy gang.

Ian sticks his tongue out to all politicians. :tongue:

[catcir1]

All I can say is Obama is a disaster waiting to happen. He hasn't so much as managed a Dairy Queen, but he's qualified to run America? Obama, Pelosi and Reed? You've GOT to be kidding!

[Trinity-Fl]

Re: Obama's lack of experience. As the attacks of 911 were going on, Geoge W. sat like a bump on a log and listened to the end of the children's stories. Yeah, he was a real man of action there.

You won't vote for Obama but you will vote for Palin who is only a heartbeat away from being president. The Alaskans love her because she brought so much pork to the state that everyone is living on the state. Except maybe the natives for whom she did very little. Yep, being Governor of Alaska has a lot to do with being president. (I can see Russia!)

Finally... no president goes into the oval office without advisors both military and civilian. In many respects it's business as usual for the State Department and the Pentagon.

I agree, Volty. Cheney is an evil man who has taken every liberty he could with his position. Anyone who on one day can say he's exempt from the rules because he is part of the Executive Office and then the next claim immunity because he is part of the legislature has a really huge pair. :)

I think it was mentioned before... What part of getting your plane shot down (and crashing several others) makes you a good president? McCain never worked a day in his life. He hasn't a clue as to what "Joe the Plumber" goes thru. He is not my friend as he insists on addressing us. I see this is deceptive - sort of like childhood when one would pretend to be someone's friend just to get what they wanted. "I'll be your best friend. Vote for me."

By this time tomorrow we'll have an idea of what America is thinking. But it may make no difference. The American people told Bush that we wanted out of Iraq 2 years ago and I just heard that the Pentagon has published plans for the same number of troops to be deployed in the summer of '09.

Good luck, everyone. :)

[azirish]

Barry's connections

1) Louis Farrakan
2) "rev" Wright
3) ACORN, his campain gave 800k plus to an ACORN affiliate. Also Barry himself was an ACORN attorney, plus he taught "law" to invidials in ACORN.
4) Bill Ayers, and his lovely wife Berandine Doran, both founding members of the weather underground
5)George Soros, Billionare and devot communist
6)Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga, Barry's cousin and radical who signed an agreement with islamic terrorists for support. When he lost the vote, said islamic terrorists rioted and started genocide in Kenya.

I have many more as well

And you are implying what? Obama and several others represented Acorn a number of years ago, but what does this have to do with anything? if you just want to imply "connections," then what about McCain's connections to:

1.) Pastor John Hagee

2.) Thomas Muthee

3.) Mustafa Abu Naba

4.) Ali Jawad

5.) Oliver North

6.) Charles Keating

7.) Gordon Liddy

8.) Kemper Marley

9.) Don Diamond

10.) Marilyn Shannon, etc.

Those of us voting for Obama are not idiots.

[FalconAngel]

Where do you folks get your information. An executive order cannot over-ride the Constitution. Let's use a little common sense. History will prove that George W. Bush was not a bad a President as the media would have you think. If you read a bit of history, Lincoln was villified throughout his presidency until he was assasinated. He was pictured in the media as a country bumpkin that was too dumb, and too unsophisticated to be President. But history vindicated Lincoln. I am not comparing Bush to Lincoln. But Bush as been blamed for everything from the weather to the current economic situation, and not all of it is his fault. Some of it of course. But not all of it. Let's try to be honest about this.

It's also a violation of the Constitution to go to war without Congress actually declaring war, but we did anyway, by Bush's orders.

He already violated the law and his oath of office, repeatedly, so what makes anyone think that he won't do it again?

[FalconAngel]

All I can say is Obama is a disaster waiting to happen. He hasn't so much as managed a Dairy Queen, but he's qualified to run America? Obama, Pelosi and Reed? You've GOT to be kidding!

Well, I would rather have someone in office who was the top 10% of his class at Harvard than a guy who graduated 894th out of 899 at Annapolis.

Voting for McBush and Bible-thumper Barbie is like hiring a science advisor who go a "D" in astrophysics and not hiring the guy who graduated Magna Cum Laude in the same class.

That's public record. feel free to check it out.

At least Obama won't continue trying to turn this country into a Christian theocracy like Bush, the Neocons and the religious wrong have been trying to do.

[dfwbi-cyclist]

wow...the absolute lack of intelligence/truth etc. in these postings reminds me why I rarely give a crap about this site. It's consistently hijacked by those without a "true" education or understanding of anything in an attempt to promote ones own agenda.

Yes i realize how rude that sounds, but come on, read these posts and tell me you think half of it is even accurate.

I can probably find a post from just about everyone one here where at some point during a political discussion they end by finally saying both sides suck.(well, liberals anyway- have the liberals on here ever noticed how the few "true conservatives" here consistently stick with what they originally said and don't back down no matter what?-really, compare, it's interesting) And the typical lurker who always sees this stuff automatically calls "BS" because they have seen you all back down from the same argument a hundred other times.

Let it go, your thoughts don't matter. You certainly aren't winning over any one here who is not already in your corner and the people who DO matter (the corporate types you all hate) don't even know you exist. Well, they do to an extent, but we, err I mean they really don't care about your plight...

[darkeyes]

Let it go, your thoughts don't matter. You certainly aren't winning over any one here who is not already in your corner and the people who DO matter (the corporate types you all hate) don't even know you exist. Well, they do to an extent, but we, err I mean they really don't care about your plight...
That last bit is pretty accurate..as gud an argument for abolition a the capitalist system as ne of us hav made yet.....:bigrin:

Resta the post wos bollox tho... funny how peeps read wot they won 2...:tong:

[12voltman59]

All I can say is Obama is a disaster waiting to happen. He hasn't so much as managed a Dairy Queen, but he's qualified to run America? Obama, Pelosi and Reed? You've GOT to be kidding!

Sorry to say---but regarding Barack Obama's "lack of qualificatons" to be president--- if most factors were equal and the Republicans had a hot, young attractive, articulate, youngish black candidate with the same relative degree of experience as does Obama----and he had captured the Republican nomination and such---the spinmeisters of that party would make him look like well polished gold---he would be the next best thing to Jesus!!!

So in reality---the qualifications of a candidate, on the practical level that a candidate brings or does not bring to the table in running for president---it doesn't mean shit!!!

Running a political camapaign is sorta like taking a big high profile murder case to trial for both the prosecution and defense---the truth or facts don't really mean anything--who wins the case comes down to which side does the best job in telling (or more accurately) in SELLING a story and getting the jury to believe that story.

Barack Obama finished at the top of his law school class at Harvard so he is a damn good lawyer even if he hasn't practiced law all that much---he presented a damn good case in terms of the way he handled his campaign all these months--John McCain did a pretty good job in presenting his case too in these final hours, but he could have done a helluva lot better job though. Now----the final arguments have been presented by each side and the case now goes to the jury--let's just hope the jury ain't rigged!!!

As far as the Republicans trying to sell the notion that Barack Obama is not qualified--PPLLEEASE--they would loved to have had a candidate with the same basic qualities of Obama and even if he had some sour points--they would have worked their asses off to make him into sweet and good tasting lemonade just like the Democratic spin meisters have done with Obama!!!

One final point--Barack Obama has managed a major operation--a two year political campaign that bested the field of his fellow democrats----including one of the two major political machines we have today---the Clintons----something not an easy task--and in terms of money--he has something like a $100 milllion still in the till--that is a pretty damn big and successful company that has that kind of cash----so what he has done is basically been the CEO of a Fortune 1000 company for the past two years---

Sounds to me like pretty good management skills---so he has done more than run a Dairy Queen or whatever!!!

[darkeyes]

Voltie hun..don actually disagree wivya basic premise bout Obama.. me gets rite pissed off bout peeps sayin this guy will b crap cos 'e hasn got the experience..or that guy will b brill cos e has age an wos a war hero an has been in senate since 19 oatcake...

In lotsa ways these arguments hav been played out in every election in every western democracy an beyond since time immemorial.. Blair wos attacked for zactly the same thing bak in 97 wen 'e stood gainst age an experience..an who had the "expertise" a runnin a country afta 18 years a Tory rule..an am told Thatcher wos similarly castigated bak in 79 wen she won power..wot she eva do fore then?? run an education department..wow.. an yet lotsa peeps think she wos the bees knees wen it cums 2 politics an runnin the world (a lil Tory/lil englander ego trip lemme say).

Experience dus not mean thatya will b ne gud eitha.. Callaghan who lost 2 Thatcher wos hugely experienced an yet not many wud say e wos a particuarly gud leader a the country.. an Major who Blair replaced had age an experience yet wos a rite dummy.. Brown has huge experience an so far the jury is surely out on 'im.. at best...

Sure me talkin bout the UK.. but ifya look atya own politicans an political history ya will find much the same story.. it is not until sum 1 actually takes up the reigns a power that 'e or she can b judged.. am still tryin 2 work out wot specifically qualifies an x POW war "hero" 2 run a country an yet many r votin for McCain principally cosa that reason.. it mite b that within 'is political philosophy 'e will make a gud fista the job..an mayb even Palin shud she eva succeed 'im will do also.. they wudn do much gud far as me is concerned or how me c's the world an no doubt wud b as condemnatory 2 them as me has eva been bout Bush..cept mayb..jus mayb they will display sum acumen an a lil less ineptitude, an mayb a lil more compassion.. wich in lotsa ways is worse for sum 1 of the left.. easier 2 shoot down inept fools than competent political enemies..

Goin bak 2 Obama..he has more experience than peeps r givin 'im credit for but its not immensely varied in political terms.. but that shudn matta...if 'e has the political nous 2 surround 'imself wiv competent advisors an Secretaries of State don c ne reason wy ne 1 shud hold it gainst 'im..an if 'e is ne way haff decent 'e will grow wiv the job an learn on the job as ne head a government worth 'is or 'er salt will do... much like Blair did.. don like Blair an neva did..but do admit 'e wos at least competent, certainly pre gulf war, an knew how 2 do 'is job..even if it wos ultimately at the expense a me leavin the party me grew up in an has been in me blood eva since me can memba (who cares..yea me knos)..

1a the UK's gr8est (war time)PM's was 24 wen he took power...weedy sickly guy called William Pitt.. the job killed 'im in the end an agree wiv is politics or no ya cudn say 'e wos 2 experienced wen 'e got the job ... 1a the UK's gr8est war heros..guy called Arthur Wellesley, Lord Wellington got the job 30 years or so afta Pitt died..hugely experienced an popular..an an absolute wanker in the job.... 'e didn hav a clue!!!

So me neva looks on record or experience..its wot peeps say an the ideals they hold wich matta 2 me... ther r pros an cons on both sides... but deep down gimme a guy who is for me an not agin..gimme sum 1 who has ideals close 2 mine.. old yung, experienced or no...shud neva matta... wot mattas is wot they stand for an believe in an wot they wanna do.. an in the end...how much ya believe in 'em...

Am soz Voltie for bashin on bout Brit politik but it is relevant inasmuch asya ya will kno a much the same thing happnin in the US betta than me... wereva ther democracy of ne kind... the same arguments r reeled out every election..

Principles, ideals..policy..thats wotya fiite for.. the kinda society an wolrd ya wanna c cum 2 pass..those r the reasons wy ya vote for sum 1.. not cos of 'is or 'er age an experience or lak of it... not cos they wer war heroes or not..

Woteva is decided tomoz...owt is betta than Georgie boy... mayb..:tong:

[void()]

"the absolute lack of intelligence/truth etc. in these postings reminds me why I rarely give a crap about this site."

So you post this why?

"read these posts and tell me you think half of it is even accurate."

There's a Sufi adage, "without fool's gold there is no gold." You have to sift through it all. Sorry, we all do. No one will spoon feed you.

"I can probably find a post from just about everyone one here where at some point during a political discussion they end by finally saying both sides suck."

Thus far, when engaged in political discourse here I have abstained from inferring either 'side' is better or worse. I say entropy wins no matter what. That may be rather desolate and worrisome to folks, but from observing a little I find it quite true.

See I'm fairly neutral in choosing to avoid the whole mess. There are things I see as wrong, and if asked may comment on those. Ultimately, that's just my opinion. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion, and to voice it. You needn't listen if you choose not to.

"You certainly aren't winning over any one here who is not already in your corner and the people who DO matter (the corporate types you all hate) don't even know you exist. Well, they do to an extent, but we, err I mean they really don't care about your plight... "

Gee, wonder if we'd stop lining the coffers of those corporate types, if they'd start caring then?

We could watch satellite television programing here. However, it was decided that as we paid for the subscription, we ought not have the adverts. So, we use an online dvd rental service instead, it's about $20 cheaper to boot. And no adverts except for movie previews which are skip able. We also don't visit theaters.

Lots of times we might even be found reading books. *gasp* And not always fiction. Our tastes varies from Do It Yourself to non-fiction on various subjects, and of course we do enjoy some decent fiction. Still enjoy Ursala Le Guin at times.

And again I'll ask. So you post this why? I mean point blank if you were truly as apathetic as you'd seek to connive us to be, you'd not have bothered.

"Bin to the head!"

[FalconAngel]

wow...the absolute lack of intelligence/truth etc. in these postings reminds me why I rarely give a crap about this site. It's consistently hijacked by those without a "true" education or understanding of anything in an attempt to promote ones own agenda.

Yes i realize how rude that sounds, but come on, read these posts and tell me you think half of it is even accurate.

I can probably find a post from just about everyone one here where at some point during a political discussion they end by finally saying both sides suck.(well, liberals anyway- have the liberals on here ever noticed how the few "true conservatives" here consistently stick with what they originally said and don't back down no matter what?-really, compare, it's interesting) And the typical lurker who always sees this stuff automatically calls "BS" because they have seen you all back down from the same argument a hundred other times.

Let it go, your thoughts don't matter. You certainly aren't winning over any one here who is not already in your corner and the people who DO matter (the corporate types you all hate) don't even know you exist. Well, they do to an extent, but we, err I mean they really don't care about your plight...

You are so right.

With your heads buried in the sand you can't see how great the economy has become under Bush and the Republicans.

Look at all the proof;

The economy is booming, unemployment is at a record low, the finance industry is doing great, housing foreclosures are almost non-existent, our troops are no longer mired in a repeat of Vietnam (some of us remember Vietnam either from watching it on the news when it was happening or from having been there), religion no longer is trying to grab a foothold in our government (thus protecting our Constitution from usurpation) and the world once again regards us as a world leader rather than an expansionist empire.

Oh, wait a minute.....that's the Republican Neocon view of reality.

None of those things have happened, nor will they under the same Republicans who brought us all these troubles in the first place, which includes McBush and Bible-thumper Barbie. They created those problems, I guess they should know how to fix them, if they wanted to.
But to fix these problems would not fit into the agenda of the mega corporations that have gained so much from the policies that have seriously damaged this nation.

How much experience in the oval office does McCain have that makes him more qualified than Obama to be president?

If you succumb to fear-mongering, then you deserve what you get.

Look at what has happened and who had all the power over the past 8 years; the first 6 of which had Republicans in control of both the house and Senate. This in addition to being in the Oval office. Within 2 years, they took this nation from record surplus to record deficit. It has only gotten worse under those same Republicans that want, quite desperately, to hold onto power.

I don't like traitors or oathbreakers. They have already proven that they are and should be in jail, not the highest office of the land. McCain voted with an oathbreaker 90% of the time and deserves to be treated like an oathbreaker himself.

[darkeyes]

Look at what has happened and who had all the power over the past 8 years; the first 6 of which had Republicans in control of both the house and Senate. This in addition to being in the Oval office. Within 2 years, they took this nation from record surplus to record deficit. It has only gotten worse under those same Republicans that want, quite desperately, to hold onto power.



Agree wiv mosta wot yas sed Falcie me luffly.. but sumtimes as ne economist will tellya..budget deficits r a gud thing an indeed necessary 2 help improve a country an 2 create the conditions wer its peeps can an will liv betta more decent lives... the argument shud b bout wetha it is rite an necessary 2 hav a deficit an wer the money is spent, how it is 2 b repaid an by whom, or wetha it is ther for less worthy an more sinister reasons...

..me don get worked up bout budget deficits per se.. cudn wiv my politics.. do get rite worked up sumtimes bout wy they exist..

[cabooseme2]

REMEMBER THIS SLOGAN ( DON,T BLAME ME I DID NOT VOTE FOR BUSH )

[FalconAngel]

Agree wiv mosta wot yas sed Falcie me luffly.. but sumtimes as ne economist will tellya..budget deficits r a gud thing an indeed necessary 2 help improve a country an 2 create the conditions wer its peeps can an will liv betta more decent lives... the argument shud b bout wetha it is rite an necessary 2 hav a deficit an wer the money is spent, how it is 2 b repaid an by whom, or wetha it is ther for less worthy an more sinister reasons...

..me don get worked up bout budget deficits per se.. cudn wiv my politics.. do get rite worked up sumtimes bout wy they exist..

We understand that a certain degree of deficit happens and we've dealt with them before, here, but when the deficit becomes a record deficit within two years after being a record surplus, and the out of control spending continues, then it is something to worry about.

And when that record deficit keeps becoming a new record deficit every day for 6 more years, then it becomes a critical issue.

The people in power are expected, from time to time, go over budget to run the country, but when the boat is sinking, then one should try to bail the water out, not add more water.

That is the real issue with the budget deficit, not the deficit itself. The ones who were supposed to fix the problem, before it became a major issue, failed to do so. In the real world, if a company let that happen and those in charge did not do something to fix it, they would be fired.
Problem is that we didn't fire any of them. We let them keep their jobs, instead.
Now, those same incompetent employees want us to allow them to continue to keep their jobs. Had they done something to fix the problem before it got this bad, then it would make sense to give them the chance to continue to try. But they sat by and allowed it to get worse, even adding to the problem.

That is the most untenable part, and since we failed to rectify it the last time, we must rectify it now, before it gets even worse.

Continuing to do what has repeatedly failed us is foolish, But the Republicans want us to keep doing what has failed us, hoping that using the formula that failed will eventually work. Sure, it's worked for some of the big corporations, but they are not the nation, nor do they count for the nation as a whole.

So taking a chance on a new direction is our only hope to make things better.

[azirish]

Remember the old saying "buyer beware" thats all I will say.




You are so right.

With your heads buried in the sand you can't see how great the economy has become under Bush and the Republicans.

Look at all the proof;

The economy is booming, unemployment is at a record low, the finance industry is doing great, housing foreclosures are almost non-existent, our troops are no longer mired in a repeat of Vietnam (some of us remember Vietnam either from watching it on the news when it was happening or from having been there), religion no longer is trying to grab a foothold in our government (thus protecting our Constitution from usurpation) and the world once again regards us as a world leader rather than an expansionist empire.

Oh, wait a minute.....that's the Republican Neocon view of reality.

None of those things have happened, nor will they under the same Republicans who brought us all these troubles in the first place, which includes McBush and Bible-thumper Barbie. They created those problems, I guess they should know how to fix them, if they wanted to.
But to fix these problems would not fit into the agenda of the mega corporations that have gained so much from the policies that have seriously damaged this nation.

How much experience in the oval office does McCain have that makes him more qualified than Obama to be president?

If you succumb to fear-mongering, then you deserve what you get.

Look at what has happened and who had all the power over the past 8 years; the first 6 of which had Republicans in control of both the house and Senate. This in addition to being in the Oval office. Within 2 years, they took this nation from record surplus to record deficit. It has only gotten worse under those same Republicans that want, quite desperately, to hold onto power.

I don't like traitors or oathbreakers. They have already proven that they are and should be in jail, not the highest office of the land. McCain voted with an oathbreaker 90% of the time and deserves to be treated like an oathbreaker himself.

[nothingtaboo]

Guess what folks???? Democratic President, Senate, and House. Well you asked for change and now you are going to GET it. As the late great Jackie Gleason use to say, "AND AWAY WE GO".

[azirish]

"Buyer Beware"...mark my words. Cubans asked for change in the 50's, we all know what they got.




Guess what folks???? Democratic President, Senate, and House. Well you asked for change and now you are going to GET it. As the late great Jackie Gleason use to say, "AND AWAY WE GO".

[midtnbi8669]

Well, it looks like its in the bag for O'Bama.

Maybe its just me but after 4 years of this Socialist as our President, we may well look back at the years of "W" as "The good old days.

Now I'm definately NOT a Bush fan, but I'm damn sure not a liberal either, especially in fiscal matters. I realize that people want change, hell people ALWAYS want change, regardless. But electing a man for the simple reason he is black and speaks well is almost as stupid as electing a man with no previous business or political experience. Ops! American did this tonight too!

I have no problem whatsoever with a Black man as President. I have no problem with a woman there either. Actually I'd probably prefer a woman as President in this day and age. I have a problem electing a man with very questionable judgement in his associations and his Socalist and, sometimes, Marxist views. I'm sorry, but the terms "Spread The Wealth" and "Civilian Security Forces" sound oddly reminicent of Lenin, Stalin and Hitler.

Now that the liberals and the un-informed have their "Change" in the White House, we'll see if this is actually the change they are looking for. I'll bet its not QUITE what they expect.

Ireland is looking pretty damn good this evening. Do they take illegal aliens? Probably not... Lucky Bastards!

[tinman714]

Hey Mid, look pretty hard and you will not find a time when I have offended anybody here. But I gotta say, GO FUCK YOURSELF!! How dare you say Obama got elected ONLY because he is black????? I am a 37 yr old white male, the votes McCain figured he had in the bag!! And I supported Obama from day one!! For alot of people he was the better canidate, regardless of skin color, gender or religion. Now you should just be a big enough person to admit "the other person" won and accept it. By making outlandish excuses only cheapens yourself and McCain!!

[darkeyes]

"Buyer Beware"...mark my words. Cubans asked for change in the 50's, we all know what they got.
..summat a lot betta than they had...

[midtnbi8669]

Hello Tinman.. Evidently you stopped at the word black. I would have expected more feedback from my calling O'Bama a Socalist. If you think O'Bama got 90% of the black vote for any other reason than being black, your just wrong. Look at 2004. "W" got 44% of the black vote. And if you don't believe that guilt over this countries treatment of black's in the past motivated white's to vote for O'Bama, then you are naive as well.

I would have supported a CONSERVATIVE black man or woman over the liberal in conservative's clothing, John McCain, ANYDAY.

If you read my comment, MY issue with O'Bama is the fact that he has no experience in business or politics. The fact that questioning him in any way labels you a racist. The fact that his social policies are less akin to the Democrat party and more in line with Socalist and Communist parties.

I, like most all Americans, will support O'Bama as our new President because thats the way Americans are and that is what makes us different from most any country on earth. But I will question and fight every liberal and socalist policy he and his liberal house and senate majority tries to ram down our throats.

So, if that warrants a "Go Fuck Yourself" opinion from you, then so be it. It's the typical response I hear from the Liberal establishment.

Unlike you, I won't stoop to your comment, but rather, I'll agree to disagree and wish you a great next 4 years! :)

[csrakate]

And if you don't believe that guilt over this countries treatment of black's in the past motivated white's to vote for O'Bama, then you are naive as well.
If you think that whites voted for Obama as some sort of "reparation" for past treatment of the black race then you are naive as well, if not a closet racist with some very skewed opinions. The election of Obama was not an attempt to offer "forty acres and a mule"!! It was a call for change by people who are tired of the present direction this country is going in and who finally feel a glimmer of hope by electing a man with a shared vision.

[darkeyes]

The fact that his social policies are less akin to the Democrat party and more in line with Socalist and Communist parties.



...sits at 'er desk an daydreams...sighhhh.... if only that wos true... daydreams sum more....:)

[MaybeSayMaybe]

For what it's worth, I'm white and middle class, and like many others I voted for Obama because he comes much closer to being the right person at the right time than McCain. This far right Christian agenda thing that got into the Washington in 1980 has morphed into a license to steal for an elite group of wealthy people. This country has finally figured this out and is finally giving some of these crooks their walking papers. But there will still be plenty of them hanging around, and that is why we need some fresh thinking at the top. This country made a powerful and positive statement yesterday. I think Obama will prove to be a pivotal leader just when we really need one.

[hudson9]

Barry's connections

5)George Soros, Billionare and devot communist


I'm sorry, but this made me laugh out loud. Billionare AND Communist. This is what happens when things go in your ear and back out your mouth without stopping at the brain first... or even slowing down and waving...

I have added this to my list of favorite oxymorons -- up there with Military Intelligence and Long Island Expressway...

[IanGray]

Having read all post in this thread, I have noticed the tendency of most people clouding the issue by expressing their biased oppinions in an inconcise and emotional way. Rememmber the KISS philosophy? Keeping thingd simple is not easy, but is a surer way of clearing the head and coming to a better conclusion.

As for experience being essential, it's not experience that counts, but picking the right experienced advisers. That is the main fault with George W Bush, he listened to the wrong people.

Personallly I will not judge Obama until he has been in office for some time as he is as yet an unknown quantity.

Ian

[Delilah]

Fat ass Dick-less chaney and pillow biter Bush should go to prison.

[Lonestar_Northstar]

I find it hilarious that this thread, and the first response, were from people that don't even live in America.

[darkeyes]

I find it hilarious that this thread, and the first response, were from people that don't even live in America.

..and ya point is?????

[hudson9]

I find it hilarious that this thread, and the first response, were from people that don't even live in America.

It doesn't require American citizenship to recognize "genius."

Perhaps if GWB had listened to a few non-Americans, like the German, Italian, and Czek intelligence services that were telling him that "Curveball" was unreliable, and UN weapons inspectors that were telling him that there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction, thousands of Americans and a hundred thousand Iraqis might still be alive today.

-- An American Not Afraid to Listen to Others Opinions...

[IanGray]

I find it hilarious that this thread, and the first response, were from people that don't even live in America.

I'm glad you find it hilarious, George W Bush is a funny guy and who better to send him up than a UK resident? My intention was to inject some humour. Instead most replies were so serious. Very sad.

I'll let you know when George finds Wales.. :tongue:


from George W Bush;s no. 1 fan

[darkeyes]

I'm glad you find it hilarious, George W Bush is a funny guy and who better to send him up than a UK resident? My intention was to inject some humour. Instead most replies were so serious. Very sad.

I'll let you know when George finds Wales.. :tongue:


from George W Bush;s no. 1 fan
Well 'e found Scotland an we didn like 'im eitha... ruined me shoppin up town an all.. neva forgive 'im or Blair for that...:eek:

[sixpack]

it won't be long before you all will wish Bush was back in office! Such fools!

[IanGray]

it won't be long before you all will wish Bush was back in office! Such fools!

A fool's a fool only if he doesn't know he's a fool. He can then fool around doing foolish things, attempting to foool the foolish that he is not a fool. So it is foolish to fool the foolish if the fool dosesn't know he's a fool.

Quote from Longtime filibuster :tongue:

[gfofbiguy]

it won't be long before you all will wish Bush was back in office! Such fools!

Hmmm, maybe only for the Bushisms, but I can't see wishing Shrub back for any other reason...:rolleyes:

[DiamondDog]

Hmmm, maybe only for the Bushisms, but I can't see wishing Shrub back for any other reason...:rolleyes:

Remember when he choked on the pretzel or so the media said but supposedly he was very drunk and passed out?

A conversation between Bush and an old friend and author, Doug Wead, touched on the subject of use of illegal drugs. In the taped recordings of the conversation, Bush explained his refusal to answer questions about whether he had used marijuana at some time in his past. “I wouldn’t answer the marijuana questions,” Bush says. “You know why? Because I don’t want some little kid doing what I tried."

Then there's this:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp