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vittoria
Oct 6, 2008, 9:06 AM
Y' know

By gosh

You betcha

Doncha know...

Are we REALLY all nothing more than a bunch of beer drinkin "hilljacks" ( as we call them in Akron Ohio) to these people?

A fellow bisexual speaks out in this link:Joe Six Pack (http://copperwise.livejournal.com/680972.html)

here's the article for the "anti-link" inclined...


01:36 am - Hey there, Joe Six-Pack
My Fellow Joe Six-Packs:

Sarah Palin et al like to call us "Joe Six-Pack," and they think we like it too. They think it sounds folksy and homey and cute.

Sure. It's a folksy, homey, cute way to euphemistically call us something very close to trashy, ignorant hillbillies. We're just not supposed to be smart enough to realize it.

See, JSP isn't referring to our rock hard abs. JSP literally means "the blue collar guy who picks up a six pack of cheap beer every night after work and goes home to watch Nascar (and probably beat his wife/kids and light a cross on the black neighbor's lawn but we won't say anything about that wink wink nudge nudge)." That is the message that they are trying to get across to America.

We know you. You don't have a thought in your head beyond making sure you have food on the table and beer in the fridge. You want us to take care of you and do all the thinking for you. You're a demographic we've put together based on statistics of race, level of education, and family income. And we think that everyone who falls within those statistics is just exactly the same. And did we mention we don't think you're very bright?

And that, to them, based on statistics, is what they think of us middle Americans.

Are there a percentage of Americans who fit their definition? White (or POCs-persons of color- who are happy with their lot in life), blue collar, no higher education, racist, homophobic, specific brand of Christianity, afraid of intellectuals, jingoistic, sexist...of course there are.

Can we safely assume that demographic is already on their side? Fabulous. So now, JSP just refers to the undecided voter and the folks they want to pull over from the other side.

That is to say, us.

So, Governor Palin et al, let me tell you who the Joe Six-Pack that you think you're talking to really is.

Joe is the guy I worked with who served in Vietnam, worked construction, had four kids, thought Portland micro-brews were for hippies and weirdos -- and told me one day about having to change churches, because "our pastor spends all his time talking about how bad the gays are, and I go to church for God, and I really don't think God cares who you sleep with or who you marry." Oh, and he went back to school at 45 to get a degree in architecture, so I guess he won't be Joe Six-Pack soon. His income will put him into that Better Class of People y'all think you're part of.

Joe is a writer or an actor or an artist who waits tables, pumps gas, shelves books, does landscaping, delivers pizza, scrubs toilets, and otherwise works his or her ass off all day or night to pay the mortgage so they can continue to write or act or make art.

Joe is the lady down the street who is "just a secretary" and never finished college. She also reads D.H. Lawrence and lots of egghead poetry. Oh, and she can also name the newspapers she reads, but then she doesn't actually have time to read all of them.

Joe is a POC with parents of different races, who gets interrupted an awful lot at work to be asked "what ARE you?" by customers, and continues to bag your damn groceries with a smile. Then he goes home and watches Britcoms on PBS, plays long distance chess with a guy in Russia over the Interwebs, and feeds his kids before putting them to bed and reading them subversive stories by Neil Gaiman.

Joe is a stripper (who doesn't have a drug habit and isn't a prostitute.) She's putting herself through school. She's going to be a lawyer and look like one of you on the surface, but you're really gonna hate it when you're up against her in front of the Supreme Court.

Joe spends 8 hours a day on an assembly line with a wrench, turning bolts and hoping you don't send his job to a child in China. On Thursday nights he bowls with a bunch of construction workers and he does share a pitcher of beer with them. Budweiser, even. Then he goes home, puts on his ABBA records, and dances with his partner -- Andrew.

Joe comes in when you call I.T. because you've opened a forwarded executable file from your sister in an email with the header "Smile, God Loves You" and locked up your machine with a nasty killer worm. She smiles politely when you tell her how impressed you are that a pretty little girl like her knows so much about computers. Then she goes to her Tai Chi class and later dances naked in the back yard with her coven. But she drives a Chevy truck, so who knew?

Joe Six-Pack isn't who you think he/she is. You don't have a fucking clue about Joe Six-Pack.

I wish I were only talking to one camp. But I'm talking to my own, too. We "liberal elitists." Because we say the same kind of things when talking about "the average American." We assume we know them, and they are the same people Palin knows.

And that's kind of dangerous, and it's also kind of not true. Like I said, there are those people out there, and we know what camp they are in. But how many of us assumed "the average American" would say that Palin won the debate, because she didn't fall down and start speaking in tongues? And what are the polls saying? And hasn't our side also been moaning about how "Joe Six-Pack" wouldn't vote for a black man? Assuming "the average American" is that special demographic? Do we really think he did so well in the primaries because there's such a vast quantity of "intellectual elites" out there to compensate for all of the average people who'd naturally vote right wing? Come on, people.

Most of the "liberal elitists" I know are not, in fact, rich. Some are highly educated and working in lucrative professions. Some are highly educated and working class. Some, sadly, are incredibly liberal but not terribly educated (formally or autodidactically) and are just as easily led by sound bite as "the great unwashed" that they don't believe they are a part of.

But honestly, I know for a fact, pretty much everyone I know who will read this is, statistically, demographically, Joe Six-Pack.

And how many of you...us...truly fall into the assumed stereotype? Even if you're conservative? Even if you do like to buy a sixer now and again?

Are we the Joe Six-Pack they think they know?

When I get overwhelmed by all the things I feel passionately about -- racism, sexism, homophobia; when I despair that nothing is getting better and we're all just going to go on hating each other; when I start to fall into thinking that the doomsayers are right and nothing has improved and America just sucks...I hear Dr. King in my head.

I say good night to you by quoting the words of an old Negro slave preacher, who said, 'We ain't what we ought to be and we ain't what we want to be and we ain't what we're going to be. But thank God, we ain't what we was.'

And I look at the world, where things have changed a bit at a time, a step at a time. There are states where gay marriage is legal. We have a black Presidential candidate, and not, bless his heart, a Jesse Jackson running independently, but a black candidate who made it through our very inherently racist and generally crappy two party system to be the probable next President of the United States. And had it not been him, it would have been a woman.

We SO AIN'T what we ought to be or what we want to be. We are not even what I would call close. But one step at a time, one person at a time, we are steadily pressing on, trying to get there.

And the rich and powerful don't get to steal the credit for that.

The credit for the ongoing battle goes to Mr., Mrs., and Ms. Goddamn Joe Six-Pack. The agitators, the commenters, the people on the phone banks, the people in the streets marching, the people organizing, the people speaking out, the people working on their families and neighbors to make the changes that have to happen for us to change our society for the better...

Joe Six-Pack.

You are JSP. I am JSP. I grew up white and middle class. I have that endangered mortgage. I worry about putting food on the table. Hell, I'm an artist and a writer, I'm not even as high up as blue collar...I can barely find a good shirt to wear. And I'm bisexual, polyamorous, and pagan. And by the way, I know Cindy Soccer Mom. She's a full time nurse, "single" mother, drives a minivan, takes her kids to soccer and dance classes -- and goes home at night to strap on a leather harness and roger her girlfriend silly.

I am Joe Six-Pack. I am not who they think that they are talking to. Are you?


And by the way... I SO understand the paragraph about being asked "What ARE you?" I thought that was a hoot!

darkeyes
Oct 6, 2008, 10:15 AM
Yuck. What sefl-indulgent tripe. Get this shit off the front page, please.

uhuh..racist anti bi/gay trollie..thot so... sad sod...bout time 'e gorra brain stuk in 'is head... musta only had walnuts left wen they dished 'is out...:bigrin:

darkeyes
Oct 6, 2008, 10:43 AM
I'm sorry, I didn't understand any of that. Please repeat when you're capable of writing a coherent paragraph.

Yep def..denso gett!!:bigrin:

jamieknyc
Oct 6, 2008, 11:33 AM
Aren't we supposed to be all a bunch of arugula-eating types from San Francisco and Greenwich Village?

hudson9
Oct 6, 2008, 1:56 PM
Thanks, Vitt -- that was INCREDIBLE. This is going to everybody in my address book.

FalconAngel
Oct 6, 2008, 2:53 PM
A copy of that should be forwarded to every right wing church, every political candidate, Every newspaper and every TV and radio news station in the country.

12voltman59
Oct 6, 2008, 7:13 PM
Great post there Vi--and of course--it had to bring out the troll with simply the most vile name he has used yet---my god what a sick sod he is!!

Once again though--Drew and Company was quick on the draw and deleted and booted him!!

Thanks guys!

darkeyes
Oct 6, 2008, 7:36 PM
Great post there Vi--and of course--it had to bring out the troll with simply the most vile name he has used yet---my god what a sick sod he is!!

Once again though--Drew and Company was quick on the draw and deleted and booted him!!

Thanks guys!

We knos the truth Voltie..yas in luff an jus cant wait for 'im 2 show 'is face gain....;):tong:

..lil digression...brill post V.. didn haff tickle me...:bigrin:

Lonestar_Northstar
Oct 6, 2008, 10:54 PM
I'm sorry, I don't get it. Yeah, I know I'm the newbie, but I've read enough posts....I don't get why she talks like she does. When she talks "regular", she's very intellectual and provides lots of insight. But wen see tlks lit dis, I jus don git it.

jem_is_bi
Oct 6, 2008, 11:31 PM
Ouch! I can't get through all of that. I have a day job.
Besides, I am not a Joe six-pack. I never have been and never will be.

However, like Joe six-pack, I am getting screwed by those that control Washington. I hope that Joe and I can get control of our government and use our intellect, combined with COMMON SENSE, to leave the next generation a great country.
Why have we let those who are driven by greed to rule the rest of us who are driven by the needs or our family? Think about that the next time you vote.
You do vote, don’t you? Otherwise, you are a very major part of the problem. Yes, I mean all local and state elections too

FalconAngel
Oct 7, 2008, 11:39 AM
I'm sorry, I don't get it. Yeah, I know I'm the newbie, but I've read enough posts....I don't get why she talks like she does. When she talks "regular", she's very intellectual and provides lots of insight. But wen see tlks lit dis, I jus don git it.

She talks like she does because that is her native dialect and normal manner of speech (she is from the wonderful land of the Scots, after all). It is a lot easier to write the way you talk than to write properly. everyone does it, at least to some degree, which may be why there is so much mis-communication on the internet.

Also, in her case, writing the way she speaks saves a lot of typing......kind of like webspeak, but less cryptic.

But don't feel bad, we were fooled by it once........once.:)

She's really rather brilliant, when you start to decipher the dialect.:2cents::wiggle2:

AFTER9
Oct 7, 2008, 12:00 PM
I never really looked at the JOe 6pack term that way.I thought it was kind of silly but didn't really see it as a put down. An oversimplifaction sure but not as a putdown. I guess it just all depends on who's saying it and the context that it's spoken in.

darkeyes
Oct 7, 2008, 2:43 PM
She talks like she does because that is her native dialect and normal manner of speech (she is from the wonderful land of the Scots, after all). It is a lot easier to write the way you talk than to write properly. everyone does it, at least to some degree, which may be why there is so much mis-communication on the internet.

Also, in her case, writing the way she speaks saves a lot of typing......kind of like webspeak, but less cryptic.

But don't feel bad, we were fooled by it once........once.:)

She's really rather brilliant, when you start to decipher the dialect.:2cents::wiggle2:

Don u lissen 2 'im mnboat couple...if 'e read me posts proply 'e wud kno how me speaks in 'ere has nowt 2 do wiv how me speaks in big wide world.. Franspeak is not Scots an hav sed it time an gain.. but its fun an me a fun luffin girl..stik wiv it.. its easy peasy..

..an 2 the luffly falconangel.. brilliant?? naaaa.. jus not stupid... no more no less... u beginnin 2 sound like S.. anyas givin me a rite red face...:tong:

1a these days me gonna do a long post in Scots then ya will b in the poop tryin 2 undastand it.. taken me all this time 2 getya 2 learn Fran.. tee hee.. only trubble is me not perfect at it... an me dad will b on the fone in minutes bollokin me for all the mistakes!!! 1 thing me neva wonts 2 do is upset 'im..me 'is lil babba girl...an course.. 'e spoils me 2 much 2 upset.. tee hee:bigrin:

Sarasvati
Oct 7, 2008, 5:53 PM
u beginnin 2 sound like S.. anyas givin me a rite red face

But I stopped

- and I don't sound like myself now

darkeyes
Oct 7, 2008, 8:19 PM
But I stopped

- and I don't sound like myself now

...butcha feelin much betta for it tho aintcha?:tong:

FalconAngel
Oct 8, 2008, 1:06 AM
1a these days me gonna do a long post in Scots then ya will b in the poop tryin 2 undastand it.. taken me all this time 2 getya 2 learn Fran.. tee hee.. only trubble is me not perfect at it... an me dad will b on the fone in minutes bollokin me for all the mistakes!!! 1 thing me neva wonts 2 do is upset 'im..me 'is lil babba girl...an course.. 'e spoils me 2 much 2 upset.. tee hee:bigrin:

We can't wait for that day, because I (Chris) have been working hard on my Scottish accent for Renaissance faire (since I do play a Scotsman, as our pictures show), it would be nice to have a better version of the dialect as well. :bigrin:

Of course, if I could find someone to teach me Scot's Gaelic would be the best, but all anyone in our area knows is Irish Gaelic, which might be close, but not the same.:eek:

And you may not think so, but you do demonstrate brilliance quite often. You just don't realize it.

jamieknyc
Oct 8, 2008, 11:38 AM
Remember, though: if you are a bisexual male, you are not Joe Sixpack. You're Joe Blow!

darkeyes
Oct 8, 2008, 11:49 AM
Remember, though: if you are a bisexual male, you are not Joe Sixpack. You're Joe Blow!

#Joe forever blowing bubbles...pretty bubbles in the air.....:tong:;)