Palin Palin PALIN!!!

[vitt&cho]

Holy carp.

I mean crap.

So they get a chick thinking that all women will flock to her like lemmings for the mere fact that she's a chick...

Then say that she is a wonderful responsible mother then 3 days later we all find out her 17 yr old is allegedly 5 months pregnant after there was speculation that her 4 month old actually belonged to her 17 yr old... (thats funny if you follow it)

She claims that the "founding fathers" wrote the pledge of allegiance with "under God" in it... when in all actuality the "under God" part wasnt placed in the "pledge" until 1954... (check for the original pledge of allegiance in the movie bells of st. mary's starring bing crosby and ingrid bergman)

She has only been governor of alaska for 20 months... and for 17 of those same 20 months has been using her position to get back at her soon to be ex brother in law who is a state trooper for divorcing her sister by bringing up old charges from years prior to her even being governor...

She has spent years supporting the right of Alaska to secede from the Union, stating that Alaskans were never given an option...

As the second Mrs John McCain mentioned "She was president of the PTA so she has great leadership experience"....


And to top off the mountain of mashed potatoes a la Close Encounters of the Third Kind, her husband is a big wig in BP Oil...

WTF!!:soapbox:

And she is supposed to be great on foreign policy because she is the governor of a state close to Russia?!?!?! What about every fkkn state close to Mexico or Canada? What about THOSE governors?!? I suppose they are Braunschweiger!

And she is supposed to be "our" first on call if her choice for president ( if he WERE president) was to fall over from skin cancer or heart disease?!?!!?!

hmmmm...

given that our current one is/was a cokehead, had several DUIs, dodged military duty, his father is in oil and only leadership experience was the "Texas Rangers" baseball team...

I think she's ready;)

LMMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[Toad82]

[QUOTE=vitt&cho;110581]I think she's ready;)QUOTE]



I love the way you ended that. You almost made me piss myself.:cutelaugh


RJ:lokai:

[12voltman59]

Vi--it doesn't matter that a Republican doesn't ostensibly have all that much experience--she is a conservative, God fearing, NRA lifelong member, hunting/fishing woman who is rabidly "pro-life" and being a good Republican--she is a good American-something those elitist, godless, marxist/socialist Democrats aren't---Democrats hate America and want to see it fail--while Republicans are all about family values and such----that is all that matters---so she is a great candidate --as far as her child being preggers---she is going to marry the boy that knocked her up instead of being a child killer--so she is still a good and virituous young Republican woman--now if one of Barak Obama's daughters was older and got knocked up--she would be a wanton, slut who got preggers because she was raised by Godless, elitist, out of touch Democrats (they are Muslims ya know and they really aren't good Americans to boot) who should not be allowed to have kids, because like all Democrats, they probably don't mind if their kids are gay, are ungrateful and unpatriotic kids and god knows--they grow up to be yet some more morally bankrupt liberals!!!

McCain is a great American hero and his choice of Sarah Palin was simply inspired---and it's a great ticket for America!!! With this ticket--we will finally get not only Roe v. Wade overturned-we will make all abortions illegal for all reasons in all 50 states-no exceptions for anything and once we get that task done---we will also go after over turning cases like Griswold v. Connecticut which was the case that allowed Americans access to contraceptives---we have to get rid of contraceptives too because they killl babies too and we have to protect the precious little fetuses--even though once you are born we don't give a shit about you!!

We also have to stop the teaching of evolution in school and teach kids about God's plan by teaching Creationism to our kids-and not fill their minds with all that evil science stuff---who needs it--its all egghead elitist stuff anyway!!!

God help America if Obama and Biden win the election---that will bring on the Apocalypse!!!

So--may God bless John McCain and Sarah Palin and may God Bless America!!!

Goodnight and good fucking luck!!!!

:bigrin::bigrin::bigrin::bigrin::bigrin:

[Vikkster230]

I guess I just don't understand the urgency of divulging the news that he 17 year old being an un-wedded pregnant girl the day that the RNC was to start. If they waited about 6-8 more weeks, the public and press would realize that it was physically impossible for her to have mothered the most recent child. I guess the excitement died down too much from her nomination.... :eek:

[wolfcamp]

Do you suppose it ever occurred to those two kids the night they were in the back seat of that car, (or where ever) that she would get knocked up and literally the whole world would find out about it?

I have this image in my head of a Republican goon going up to that boy and saying, "You are going to marry that girl, or I guarantee that you will be cleaning toilets for the rest of your life." Boy, talk about a shotgun wedding.

As for Sarah Palin, I dont' think she ever had one teensy thought about foreign policy until she got the call from McCain. I can see Vladimir Putin smiling and rubbing his hands together.

[vittoria]

spent the last 5 minutes watching david letterman and it seems he had the same thoughts that i did... either that or he reads bisexual.com too!!! LMAO

[Kafka6655321]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMkchLnAdEM

Makes me laugh... a lot

[vittoria]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMkchLnAdEM

Makes me laugh... a lot

O HAY-SOOS!!!! ROFL!!
:cutelaugh

[12voltman59]

I am getting older and certainly do think that older people are still capable of doing great things and contributing to society and all of that--but my God--didn't the Republican convention look like a gathering at an old folks home or what????

Sure---they do have the young Republicans and such--but if I were a stalwart in the Republican party--I would be a bit concerned for the future of the party---it looks like so many of the people in the party have "fewer days left in front of them."

It does seem that the Republican Party really is the party of the past and not the future---they still sing the same old tired song--"cut taxes, be more concerned with the 'culture war' issues than real life, real world issues---cut government" and all of that----

That convention on Tuesday night looked like it could have been footage taken at the 1988 convention instead of 2008.

Sarah Palin has to look good to the Republicans--she is vital and ambulatory.

[jamieknyc]

Slow down, people. A day after the election, no one is going to remember who the vice president is for the next four years. And as the Democratic candidate for president, Putin, Ahmedinejad and Bin Laden are are just waiting to chop him into mincemeant.

[12voltman59]

Well jaime-in most cases the selection of VP for a younger presidential candidate is who is seemingly healthy is not that big a deal--but with a man who is into his 70s---it is a more salient point----it is not a cliche to say that Sarah Palin, should her ticket win the election--will literally be just a hearbeat away from becoming president.

I know that you don't have much faith in Barak Obama--but I think that Barak Obama will serve well as POTUS and Commander in Chief.

Barak Obama did learn his chops in the nasty, down and dirty ways of Chicago politics and if you come out of that----you are a tough cookie. The one thing with Obama---he might--out of having to show he is tough--- might over react to threats real or imagined from people like those you mention.

There is one thing about limiting a McCain-Palin ticket should they win---they will in all probablity----will face a Congress well under the control of the Democrats and would have a problem getting very conservative SCOTUS nominees and other aspects of their "culture wars" agenda through the Congress.

[Randypan]

And you think McCain is better able to face Putin, Ahmedinejad and Bin Laden? He can't even cope with Bush!

[darkeyes]

.. wots rong wiv Michael for VP.. an resta Monty Python crew for the cabinet..

Graham Chapman for PRES!!!!!!!!:bigrin:

Well makes more sense than lil Miss Muppet... yea yea..me knos..nowt 2 do wiv me...wich is matta of opinion)... jus cant take the McCain/Muppet ticket seriously... wich mite b a bad mistake on my part...

[bigirl_inwv]

Heh. Bet Palin kinda wishes she'd have gone with Sex Education instead of abstinence only programs. Just found that to be a bit....ironic. But I won't start cause thats a WHOLE topic in itself.

[12voltman59]

Heh. Bet Palin kinda wishes she'd have gone with Sex Education instead of abstinence only programs. Just found that to be a bit....ironic. But I won't start cause thats a WHOLE topic in itself.

The thing is bigirl--you are thinking rationally and also considering the way things work in the real world--with these people--so much is about myth and "the way things should be" and all of that--it does not matter to them that the numbers show that abstinence only programs are a dismal failure---they have to stick with their unreal, version of reality and could not admit that one of their myths could possibly not be true, correct and proper!!!

That the daughter did not go and get an abortion is a win for them---so they taught her well in their way of looking at things.

For these people---secular Sex Education courses that do discuss use of contraceptives and other things--is just simply EVIL--EVIL I tell you!!

I am sure the daugther is having to repent her wanton, slutty ways!! But use contraceptives--no way--those are things the evil, godless, secular humanist world thinks are good and that is BADDD--WAYYY BADDDD!!!

[Cerealk]

Its not like the girl had a choice, neither did the guy who ends up having to marry her. They both are stuck and have to follow what the party wants to happen.

[orallybi4cpl]

Heh. Bet Palin kinda wishes she'd have gone with Sex Education instead of abstinence only programs. Just found that to be a bit....ironic. But I won't start cause thats a WHOLE topic in itself.


Just a thought... what if Palin is bisexual?

[12voltman59]

Its not like the girl had a choice, neither did the guy who ends up having to marry her. They both are stuck and have to follow what the party wants to happen.

Well--if the mom of the gal you knocked up can shoot, kill and dress a moose--forget about dad-and she is governor of the state to boot--you damn well marry the daugther!!!

To Orally--I would say that the chance that Sarah Palin is bisexual is about the same that a pig can fly--on its own power beyond getting tossed a few feet.

I am watching "Hardball With Chris Matthews" on MSNBC--he just had some junior Republican Congressmen on and to them of course--Sarah Palin is just the best damn thing since sliced white wonder bread and of course-she could walk in right now and not only be vice president but president as well-much more so than Barak Obama of course!!!

My god did the talking points memo make its way around the Republican party in no time--it is like listening to a broken record with those people----you would think she is the second coming of the Messiah!!!

[elian]

I was trying to be a nice guy but this post turned out to be politically charged when I got done with it - if you don't like - maybe don't read - although I would be happy to listen to responses too.

Oh, it's a very rational strategy - the whole point is to cast enough indecision over each little specialized group in the middle so the other guy DOESN'T get the votes. "We know our party isn't very popular right now, but if we can lower the number of votes the other guy gets we might still have a chance of winning."

Personally, I really don't care if her daughter is pregnant or not - but there are a lot of older voters who are conservative in this country that still would.

I apologize in advance to all my Christian friends who live the parables by example and not in thought alone - but the minute I heard she was an evangelical conservative it made my mind up.

I've worked for the government for 15 years, I know Obama can't REALLY do what he is claiming to do but I've just had it up to the high water mark with all the emotional baggage that comes with the conservative party these days. Latest policies have run the country into the ground and more than anything they really piss me off by trying to legislate who I am legally allowed to declare my love for. I thought this was the "conservative" party - aren't they supposed to be "hands-off/less government" ? Maybe what they really mean is hands-off corporate business but screw everybody else.

It's funny - there was a guy on PBS today saying "We know Bush isn't popular now - but neither was Harry Truman when he was in office - when Bush leaves everybody will think he was a good president". I had to laugh wickedly - I bet a LOT of people are gonna think Bush was wonderful compared to EITHER of these two candidates that are going to have to clean up the mess he made.

BTW, I mean no disrespect to the folks who are serving in the Armed Forces - they put their life on the line every day - I have no room to criticize. What I do have a problem with though is those people back home who have the "We Fight For Freedom - God Bless Our Troops" bumper sticker on the back of their car while driving down the road to the Klan meeting so they can all bitch about how difficult it is to be a white person in the world today.

Some things are worth fighting for - If what we are fighting for is to stand up for human rights and protect the rights of a people who want to practice their religion peacefully, then bless those who are fighting for freedom. If that is not why we are fighting, then perhaps we need to step back and examine just what we are fighting for.

[cutenewlybi]

Holy carp.

..

.







given that our current one is/was a cokehead, had several DUIs, dodged military duty, his father is in oil and only leadership experience was the "Texas Rangers" baseball team...

I think she's ready;)

LMMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

OMG when i read this i died laughing....it was so freaking funny. I cant really comment on this whole thing...Damn being a bad American and not really paying attention to whats going on.

[12voltman59]

All other things being considered---I would not have any problem with Palin's daugther being pregnant--as Barak Obama said---what happens with a candidate's family--especially the children should be out of bounds--but since Palin is very much an evangelical type of person--who has no problem with using the big sledgehammer of government to impose their moral vision of "the way things ought to be" on the rest of us--it does have some relevance.

As to McCain's choice of her as his Veep---other than from a purely political perspective--it makes no sense----she was not much of blip on anyone's radar and it does seem that the vetting process that she faced was basically none.

From the political aspect--it does seem to be a good choice--since it has fired up the Republican party conservative base and energized them, but it does have to make one be circumspect about John McCain's judgement when you consider the real world implications of his choice.

I have to ask---should this man be president??? I might not like all of McCain's political views and such before this that would make me less likely to vote for him--but I did not really question his fundamental ability to make such a crucial decision--now I think if you rationally look at this whole thing--I really do think you have to be very much concerned about John McCain's decision making process.

Like I have said--of all the Republican candidates we could have had--I could have voted for John McCain--but there is no way now thanks to his choice of Sarah Palin and that has nothing to do with the fact she is a woman-it has to do with her ideological leanings that clearly show with the choice of someone with her leanings, McCain is leaning very far right and they plan to engage in the "cultural war" issues at a time that we need to not focus on such things--we have to focus on getting so many things working again since Bush so handily mucked them up these past eight years.

[FalconAngel]

well taken... see it's more of 'the same' and like bush like mccain... the republicans don't think for themselves anymore.. just about themselves

As a republican second and a Patriot first, I have this to say;

Both parties are the same. I lost faith in the party when they put Bush Jr. in office. I knew then, as did other Republicans, that Bush was not as good an idea as his dad was. I voted accordingly, against him.

But the problem still remains of voting for the best choice or the lesser of two evils.

This time around, I think that I will vote Libertarian.

We can all find something about every candidate that we do not like. In this election, both candidates from the ubber-parties are opposed to equal rights for the genders, both will work to overturn Roe vs Wade, both dislike Non-custodial Parents and want to keep the current, broken CSE and DCF agencies running in a business as usual manner, and neither candidate or their running mates are truly competent to run this country in the right direction.

McCain wants to carry on the failed Bush legacy and Obama wants to give us a watered down version of it in the name of change.

Even Nixon, as crooked and paranoid as he was, was better than these guys.

Many say that voting for a 3rd party candidate is "throwing away your vote", but think about it for a minute.....if enough people "throw away their vote" instead of buying into the disinformation of BOTH ubber-parties, then we end up with a different and probably better choice for our next president.

It is a bad idea to vote for candidates that makes religion based laws or gender/race biased changes part of their platform.
It is a good idea to vote for candidates that make true equality the basis of their platform, but only if they have demonstrated that they support that equality.

Like I said, I am a Patriot first and foremost. I believe in our Constitution and do not like the way that things have been going. We have a president that has violated the Constitution, repeatedly, violated his oath of office, repeatedly, violated the law, repeatedly and enacted laws and agencies that operate in violation to the Constitution, thus violating the rights of the American people, as well as other people outside of the US.

In addition to that, we have had a Senate and Congress (both parties) that have, for 8 years, failed to comply with their oaths of office and refused to impeach someone who desperately needs to be impeached.

That, too, is criminal.
Our political process is in deep shit and we have allowed OUR EMPLOYEES to do it to us, by being complacent about it all for more than 30 years. These people work for us. If you had a company and your employees did the things that these people have done, wouldn't you fire them?

Well, why haven't we?

The system is broke and it's our own fault, so and we need to act now.

To be honest, it doesn't matter who you vote for as long as you honestly believe, without listening to the hype, that you are voting for who you believe will actually do the job that you are hiring them to do. I, for one, am sorely disappointed by the choices that we have had.

I am voting for the best candidate, not the lesser of two evils. And if I "throw away" my vote, then at least I took that vote away from the two evils.

Political party is useless when it comes to the best interests of my country.

I am a Patriot and I hope that all of you are, too.

[azirish]

[QUOTE=vitt&cho;110581]Holy carp.

I mean crap.

So they get a chick thinking that all women will flock to her like lemmings for the mere fact that she's a chick...

You mean like blacks voting for Obama because he is black only, no other reason than that!!

[12voltman59]

I just ran into this---it seems that not all of the Republican talking heads are so sanguine about McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate--during an off the air segment of MSNBC's Republican Convention coverage this afternoon--Peggy Noonan--Ronald Reagan's prime speech writer and now a Wall Street Journal columnist and former McCain campaign advisor and MSNBC contributor Mike Murphy were caught expressing their real feelings about the selection:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/03/peggy-noonan-mike-murphy_n_123647.html

I guess they weren't on the same talking points memo page as their Republican compatriots!

[vittoria]

You mean like blacks voting for Obama because he is black only, no other reason than that!!

Or even like Caucasians who dont like "black" people who vote against him just because "we cant have any of that in these parts"...Rush Limbaugh is a great example :)

:cutelaugh

In all honesty, I would much rather see someone from the Sioux nation or even someone from any other the host of minorities, Chinese included, who helped carve this "great" country run for president...

There are more than the fairer complextioned people who live here... and it would be awesome to finally believe that this country has progressed further than "only rich Caucasian males can become president".

Hmm... people bitched because of something called "taxation without representation"...

And I'm quite certain theres more than 4 minorities in this country... and I think that number four is about the number of minorities in some kind of representative office... not many other cultures are represented either...Condi dont count.. she was an affirmative action replacement for Colin Powell (they have to have someone to blame when the cowchips are down)

My :2cents: PLUS TAX :cutelaugh

;)

[elian]

Hehe..one of my customers had Rush Limbaugh playing on the local AM - apparently the topic du'jour was a comment that he had taken out of context about "Inflating tires to save gas mileage" - well - for the next two hours while I was working on various IT related chores I got to hear him literally RAIL on and on in an angry tirade against the dangers of over-inflating tires and how 200% of Americans were now going to have horrible, horrible accidents from tire blowouts and we'll all have to waste more oil making more tires because the tread is going to wear unevenly.

Someone please - may *I* have a radio show where I can rant and rave for hours on end about meaningless crap and make a million dollars a day ? >sighs<

[Bi-Zarro]

It just keeps getting better and better.

Wash Post Blog
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_slashed_funding_to_help.html

[12voltman59]

It is late and I am heading to bed but I have both heard and run across some stories that Palin--as part of her very fundamentalist form of religion holds the view that "the war in Iraq is God's will and part of his plan" or something to that effect.

I will run that down tomorrow and post up the appropriate stories if I can find the sources.

[wolfcamp]

I am a Patriot and I hope that all of you are, too.

Falcon,
This is no reflection on you, but I have to say that the word Patriot has become a little tainted for me. I was called unpatriotic more than once when I spoke out against the war, and against the way some of the political windbags were blowing. Well then, so be it. I started to see these righteous, self-proclaimed patriots as obnoxious jerks, and if that is being a patriot, then no thank you. Again, this isn't directed at you personally. But the word Patriot kind of sticks in my craw. Too bad.

I personally would like to see a president with a positive vision for this country. I'm tired of being told I should be scared. I'm tired of hearing that the terrorists are going to get me if I don't vote a certain way. I don't think we should let our guard down, but I think it's time to move on.

I am going to vote according to the issues I think are important- health care, education and a re-emphasis on science, energy and it's link to the environment. I want a leader that makes us feel good about ourselves again.

[darkeyes]

.. las nite me waded through duzzens a images a Sarah Palin cos summat bout 'er kept naggin way at me... part from the fact that idealogically an politically we millionsa miles apart an wudn vote for 'er if she wos the last person on earth.. wip off the specs...look at the eyes.. wot is it bout 'er eyes that remind me of anotha demented ole bag from this side a the wata who 1ce upon a time thot she wos the world's saviour??

.. an is it me imagination that 'er smile looks slitely demonic??

[Vikkster230]

It's too bad that Tina Fey has her own show (30 Rock) and isn't back on SNL, she's a Palin twin and could have a lot of fun with the election.... ;)

[Bluebiyou]

Palin is fine.
McCain is 8 years too late. By this I mean McCain would have been ideal president 2000 - 2008.
Too many years of blundering conservative W (did I mention pandering?).
*sigh*
Bush Sr. should have had his 8 years.
Then slick Willie should have had 4.
Then McCain for 8.
Now, it's time for (and I hate to say it for many reasons) Obama.
W. was too reckless to the right.

As far as Palin is concerned... if 'daughter gave birth to "defective" baby' and 'daughter pregnant by redneck' is all the Dem dirt diggers can find against her...
Actually, if the Republicans win the day, and McCain has that 'heartbeat' (noted by 12volt and Ann Coulter), she could be a real wildcard. Imagine, a mother (and grandmother) in charge of the (soon to change- as 3rd world economies and populations change) greatest superpower in the world.
Palin can play a man's game... well... and win...
She's also a woman... and who knows... maybe that's what the world needs.
She may be the one who plays the game and gets a very lucky draw. Just like Pope John XXIII was seen as a middle of the road, trusted by both sides, not likely to stir up trouble, and will die in a few years... who ended up starting the 'Vatican II' council; the movement that -very radically- changed the Catholic church (all the points of Martin Luther were addressed and much more).
I like what Falcon said about voting libertarian. I voted the 'parot man' in '92. If only enough of us voted libertarian... where they had a chance... then I would, in a heartbeat.... I mean a 'New York second'.

[Sourdough]

I have to disagree with much of what is being said here. Sara is the only person running that has had executive experience. She is more qualified in my opinion than McCain. She has gone through a tough time here in Alaska, running against the party favorite, and defeated him by a landslide. She played hardball with the big oil companies, and won in court. She pushed for and got AGIA (Alaska Gasline Inducement Act) passed. Now she has awarded the permit to build a gasline to the lower 48 to bring down the cost of energy. She has done more in two years as Governor to lower the cost of energy for this country than the Bush Administration has in eight years.

As for running the military, She is Commander-In-Chief of the Alaska National Guard. They have been deployed to Iraq, and she is there to see them off and to see them return. She also comes down to see the regular Army troops off and return as well from the Alaska Bases. She visited the Alaska troops in Kuwait this summer. She also avoids media coverage, that is not what she is looking for.

[12voltman59]

I have to disagree with much of what is being said here. Sara is the only person running that has had executive experience. She is more qualified in my opinion than McCain. She has gone through a tough time here in Alaska, running against the party favorite, and defeated him by a landslide. She played hardball with the big oil companies, and won in court. She pushed for and got AGIA (Alaska Gasline Inducement Act) passed. Now she has awarded the permit to build a gasline to the lower 48 to bring down the cost of energy. She has done more in two years as Governor to lower the cost of energy for this country than the Bush Administration has in eight years.

As for running the military, She is Commander-In-Chief of the Alaska National Guard. They have been deployed to Iraq, and she is there to see them off and to see them return. She also comes down to see the regular Army troops off and return as well from the Alaska Bases. She visited the Alaska troops in Kuwait this summer. She also avoids media coverage, that is not what she is looking for.

I won't deny that Palin does bring certain skills to the position she seeks via having been selected by John McCain.

The reality of running for president (or vice-president with the possiblity of being president when a heart stops beating) is such that few people bring all of the requisite skills we think one should have---it does seem that most people with a certain degree of competency in other areas are up to the job in most cases--there is actually a concept in political science that those who come to fill the role of president tend to rise to the occassion and surprisingly even more so when a crisis develops----

All four people on the top tickets do bring the basic skill sets necessary to assume their roles.

For most people--when it come down to it--it sounds all good to talk about experience----but most people don't really vote on that--they vote on their "gut" feelings about the candidates and things like values----things that have some tangible elements but just as often are more epherial ---

For me---thanks to John McCain having selected Sarah Palin---it shows where he plans to take things--and while she is an attractive woman---a competent and capable person without a doubt--there are things in here background--and not the investigation of "trooper gate" or whether she was for the "bridge to nowhere" before she was against it and all of that--it is because of the deeper things she believes--or seems to such as that she does hold a very conservative world view on things like abortion, gay rights and other "social issues."

Thus far--the McCain campaign has downplayed that on one hand--but in the world of the social right--she is a darling and that alone makes her unacceptable to me. Her core values and mine don't jibe.

I can thank McCain for one thing---Barak Obama sorta had me but had not "sealed the deal" in potentiallly getting my vote-- he got closer when he chose Biden who was the candidate I liked initially--a lot my decision on my vote relied on what sort of person McCain chose as his running mate and he did that in spades with his choice of Palin---so thanks to that choice--he lost any chance that I would vote for him.

My vote will now go to Obama for sure--I do wish I had more options as Blue was talking about--but let's face it--the way things are set up thanks to the two parties who run things---you really are throwing away your vote if you vote a "third party" candidate of any sort I am sorry to say.

[vittoria]

I have to disagree with much of what is being said here. Sara is the only person running that has had executive experience. She is more qualified in my opinion than McCain. She has gone through a tough time here in Alaska, running against the party favorite, and defeated him by a landslide. She played hardball with the big oil companies, and won in court. She pushed for and got AGIA (Alaska Gasline Inducement Act) passed. Now she has awarded the permit to build a gasline to the lower 48 to bring down the cost of energy. She has done more in two years as Governor to lower the cost of energy for this country than the Bush Administration has in eight years.

As for running the military, She is Commander-In-Chief of the Alaska National Guard. They have been deployed to Iraq, and she is there to see them off and to see them return. She also comes down to see the regular Army troops off and return as well from the Alaska Bases. She visited the Alaska troops in Kuwait this summer. She also avoids media coverage, that is not what she is looking for.

Each governor of each state is the commander in chief of their own state's national guard... She is no different than any other person that has held that post.

The Pentagon or "the Fed" are the ones that deploy the National Guard or any other branch of the military to other countries, NOT the governor.

Plus she may have avoided media coverage in the lower 48, but she hasnt avoided anything in Alaska.. ergo what the MSM title "Troopergate".
She may have been governor of Alaska for a mere 20 months, but she has spent 17 of those 20 months trying to get at her soon to be ex brother in law for divorcing her sister ( this has the makings of the Young and the Restless and All My Children and Dynasty!! )

And as for "beating big oil"---HOGWASH. Her husband is a big wig for BP oil. She isnt beating sh*t.

And for those of us who are "counter culture" as in LGBT...

HELLO HUMANS....

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY EVEN THO THEY ARE A BUNCH OF CLOSET MONSTERS DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE US!!!! WHY CATER TO A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO WONT GIVE THE LGBT COMMUNITY RIGHTS?!?!?!
Have you ever heard of a poor Republican? I dont think so...

Have you ever heard of a Democrat in the KKK? I think not...

Think people, think!

[gfofbiguy]

It just keeps getting better and better.

Wash Post Blog
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_slashed_funding_to_help.html

Good thing Bristol is getting married then

[Sourdough]

Tod Palin is not a big wig for an oil company, he is a blue collar worker. And Troopergate is a figmate of Andrew Halcrows imagination.

[gfofbiguy]

Tod Palin is not a big wig for an oil company, he is a blue collar worker. And Troopergate is a figmate of Andrew Halcrows imagination.

And what about banning books from the library? Starting to sound eerily like Fahrenheit 451...

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html

[vittoria]

Tod Palin is not a big wig for an oil company, he is a blue collar worker. And Troopergate is a figmate of Andrew Halcrows imagination.

Hey :)

Those of us who have been here for a while have come to the understanding that links, which would ergo provide proof of where one gets their info from, helps in convos like these...

Give us a couple links to reference, hun :) By the way.. the word is "figment". And his name is Todd with two "d"s. Coming from Alaska one would think you knew that but i digress....

Thanks! :bigrin:

Todd Palin wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Palin

Todd Palin and Big Oil: http://rakesprogress.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/todd-palin-and-big-oil/

And so much for Palin staying out of the media... thanks to KTUU channel 2 news the story on Todd Palin going back on BPs payroll just one year ago...http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=6965360

Who started "Troopergate"? Hmm... check this outhttp://www.digitaljournal.com/article/259218

[12voltman59]

Tod Palin is not a big wig for an oil company, he is a blue collar worker. And Troopergate is a figmate of Andrew Halcrows imagination.

Uhhh is this a figment of someone's imagination???

http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/492964.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26458400/

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-troopergate4-2008sep04,0,198011.story?track=rss

The fact is--while the facts of the case are in dispute and open to interpretation and in this country we have a presumption of innocence until proven guilty--so we have to give the Honorable Gov. Sarah Palin, the benefit of the doubt she and her staff did no wrong in this case--the fact is--there are not just one--but two ethics investigations now underway in Juno so they are hardly figments of someone's imagination.

The allegations are out there---they need to be investigated and that investigation will let the chips fall where they may.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gWi6yTVfPyJeiTBsQ33SSUiobt8wD92I9NIO0

If you do look at some of the articles on this subject----the datelines of the stories are from mid-August and such--weeks before the rest of us even knew she existed, so its not some made up attack by the evil, elitist, east coast media!!!

The one article came from Anchorage's own paper.

[AFTER9]

On the subject of third parties and "throwing away your vote

I believe there is a percentage, off the top of my head I believe it's 5 percent. You are then recognized and are assured of future ballot access and even recognition by election boards.

Having more voices in the national dialogue maybe what this country needs rather than bumperstickers that say CHANGE

That said I'm voting for Art Kumbalek http://www.prweb.com/releases/ArtKumbalek/Focktoberfest/prweb554137.htm

[12voltman59]

Sorry to keep talking about Palin--but as I write this-I am watching "Hardball With Chris Matthews"

They are discussing the press blackout that the McCain campaign has put on Sarah Palin.

Howard Fineman---a pretty down the middle columnist just said that the McCain campaign--in an effort to make him back off from asking some of the necessary and right questions of Palin---said that he had been passing around a story that Fineman had said that Palin should leave the ticket. Fineman stated quite emphatically: "I said no such a thing and this is an attempt to try to intimidate me and other reporters from backing off from asking the tough questions!"

Fineman also said that the McCain campaign is not the only one engaging in such tactics--saying that the Obama campaign has done the same sort of thing.

"That is the world we live in today," said Fineman to Chris Matthews.

One of the other ways that the McCain campaign is trying to mute the press is to claim that any attempt to ask her the tough questions, but legitimate ones---the rap is that the media is being "sexist" in the way they are dealing with Palin.

As Fineman noted in the segment----Palin may not be known to the broader press or public----but she has long been a featured player in the conservative media like conservative talk radio and that she is more than able to hold her own in facing the press.

[vittoria]

No prob, Volty....

That IS the topic of the thread :) LOL!

But in regards to the media versus Palin and McCain...

They sure pick a fine time to do their jobs, dont they?!

LOL!



Sorry to keep talking about Palin--but as I write this-I am watching "Hardball With Chris Matthews"

They are discussing the press blackout that the McCain campaign has put on Sarah Palin.

Howard Fineman---a pretty down the middle columnist just said that the McCain campaign--in an effort to make him back off from asking some of the necessary and right questions of Palin---said that he had been passing around a story that Fineman had said that Palin should leave the ticket. Fineman stated quite emphatically: "I said no such a thing and this is an attempt to try to intimidate me and other reporters from backing off from asking the tough questions!"

Fineman also said that the McCain campaign is not the only one engaging in such tactics--saying that the Obama campaign has done the same sort of thing.

"That is the world we live in today," said Fineman to Chris Matthews.

One of the other ways that the McCain campaign is trying to mute the press is to claim that any attempt to ask her the tough questions, but legitimate ones---the rap is that the media is being "sexist" in the way they are dealing with Palin.

As Fineman noted in the segment----Palin may not be known to the broader press or public----but she has long been a featured player in the conservative media like conservative talk radio and that she is more than able to hold her own in facing the press.

[jamieknyc]

I know that you don't have much faith in Barak Obama--but I think that Barak Obama will serve well as POTUS and Commander in Chief.

Barak Obama did learn his chops in the nasty, down and dirty ways of Chicago politics and if you come out of that----you are a tough cookie. The one thing with Obama---he might--out of having to show he is tough--- might over react to threats real or imagined from people like those you mention.

.

Considering how Obama made an utter fool of himself in the Russian invasion of Georgia and on his trip to Jerusalem, I am sure Putin and Ahmedinejad are just waiting for Inauguration Day to kick him in the head. Bashir Assad already said that, almost in as many words.

And yes, you should be worried about an inexperienced Democratic administration feeling the need to prove its foreign policy macho with military adventures abroad. Kennedy could get away with that, but he was working from a position of overwhleming strength.

[vittoria]

And yes, you should be worried about an inexperienced Democratic administration feeling the need to prove its foreign policy macho with military adventures abroad. Kennedy could get away with that, but he was working from a position of overwhleming strength.


:disgust:

Whether one is President of the PTA (LOL) or Senator of a state ( which is, admittedly, WAY higher than being a governor)--experience has to be gained somewhere...

Now I've never brought to bear the topic of experience, because theres an awful lot double standard shit going on about who has the least amount of experience in either party...

But Jesus, at least nobody puked on anyone, danced Ubergoofy with the native tribes, and said, albeit we know what "he" meant.. "I am a doughnut"...

come on people.

[Sourdough]

I copied this from another site, it pretty much says how most Alaskans fee.

l

Another Alaskan's views on Ms Palin (in case Sourdough's is insufficient).

Subject: FW: Sarah Palin (from an Alaskan)



This was sent to us by some friends of ours. It pretty much sums up the majority of Alaskans point of view on Sarah Palin.






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Judy, Sarah Palin is the US’s answer to Margaret Thatcher! Anyone who thinks she cannot handle the job or deal briskly and efficiently with ANY issue, including foreign governments … well, they haven’t met our Sarah <grin>.



As an Alaskan resident as well as a resident of Wasilla, AK, where Sarah Palin was at one time Mayor … I can speak with confidence. Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska is exactly what she portrayed during her introduction this morning and exactly what our US Government needs. She is ethical to a fault (if there is such a thing), a refreshing change to the status-quo and as smart and determined a PERSON (gender really isn’t an issue here as far as I’m concerned) as anyone could ask for at the head of government.



Sarah is no na&#239;ve “small town mayor” – she just *started out* there. Btw, as Mayor of Wasilla, she brought this “small town” through a lot of GOOD changes and left it at the end of her term having grown to the 4th largest CITY in Alaska – a lot of growth and a stronger economic base than ever before.



She has EXECTUTIVE experience *running a government* (something NONE of the other candidates can actually boast, even John McCain <g>) as Governor of Alaska and got there by defeating the *incumbent* Republican Governor, who was definitely part of the “old school” and who WAS very much in the pocket of the big oil companies. We in Alaska wanted change – and we got it in the person of Sarah Palin!



Sarah Palin is everything she looks to be and more. Her approval rating as Governor of Alaska has been as high as 95&#37; and is currently leveled out consistently in the upper 80 percentile throughout the state (and in both parties) - the HIGHEST approval rating of ANY sitting Governor.



Sarah has been turning around corruption in the Legislature of Alaska - turning things on their ear for that matter; cutting spending in spite of the increased income the state is currently receiving due to the high oil prices - she has insisted on putting a huge amount of the 'windfall' into savings for the future rather than spending, spending, spending - and has insisted from the get-go on what she refers to as 'honest, ethical and transparent governing' - no more closed door meetings and dealings - the big oil companies thought she would be a pushover and have learned better to their chagrin.



She understands the 'real people' and the economic issues we all face (Alaskans along with the rest of the country) - she was one of 'us' not long ago. Rather than passing useless 'laws' or throwing money at pet projects, she (most recently) temporarily suspended the state gas tax (on gasoline at the pumps, fuel oil and natural gas for homes, etc.) and has ordered checks issued to ALL residents of Alaska this fall in an attempt to assist with the burden of high fuel costs for the upcoming winter. I could go on and on, but that's enough for now <smile>. She isn’t doing these things to be popular – she is doing it because her constituents are HURTING financially and she can help.



She became Governor of Alaska by defeating the Incumbent Republican Governor and doing it *without* the money or the support of the Republican Party, which was amazing in itself - and she won by a landslide. The 'powers that be' at that time totally underestimated Sarah and learned better the hard way. She has done exactly what she claimed she was going to do and is just as popular today as the day she was elected - perhaps more so since even the Democrats up here seem to like her - she works well with both sides in the Legislature here.



Sarah 'belongs' to us (Alaskans) ... and although we are going to be terribly sorry to see her leave before she finishes the job she started here (two years ago) straightening out OUR State <grin> ... we understand she is needed for a bigger purpose and hopefully her Lt. Governor will be able to fill her shoes here and continue the job.



As for worrying about what would happen if McCain were to die or step down or whatever ... Theta, up here in AK we've only been wondering how long we would be able to KEEP Sarah in Alaska and have seen her as our first woman President of the USA from the start. It's always been a matter of whether she would wait until the end of her TWO terms as Governor (no doubt at ALL that she would be re-elected if she ran for a second term at the end of her current term) ... or end up in Washington sooner. She could do the job TODAY.



Personally, I feel a lot better about McCain now that I know he has someone as savvy, as strong, as ethical and as steady as Sarah at his back. She will be an excellent Vice President ... and my guess is will be our US Republican Presidential candidate in four years - AND by then the country will KNOW her – will love and respect her as we do here - and she'll win by as much of a landslide as she did here in Alaska. I only wonder if McCain has a clue what he is unleashing on the US of A <grin>. She is going to be a fresh wind, but also a strong wind.



Is that enough of an endorsement? If not, I'll add this ... Jerry and I have for many years felt the best 'vote' was to vote for the lesser of two 'evils' and hope they didn't do too much damage. Two years ago during our State Governor's race was the first time EVER that we actually asked for not just a little sign to put in our yard showing our support of our candidate (something we've never felt the desire to do at all before) - we asked for a full 4' x 8' 'SARAH PALIN FOR GOVERNOR!' sign and were proud to have it. She hasn't let us or Alaska down. She will do the same for the USA if given the opportunity.



Feel free to pass this on to anyone who may be interested (and spam those who aren’t!).

[vittoria]

Missing Link...?

;)

[Trinity-Fl]

I've heard it said that Palin "knows energy." What she knows is OIL! How is that knowledge going to help us break our dependence on oil. I can't see her being a big fan of wind, agriculture, water, solar and thermal energy

May I stray from the Palin thread to the McCain thread for a moment?

I served in the Vietman era and I realize what McCain suffered at the hands of the enemy.

Did he learn nothing during his time in captivity. Did he ever realize that Vietnam was a war in which we should not have been involved? As he sat in his cell, did he ever wonder, "What the hell are we doin' over here anyway?" Even sadder, is that for all his suffering while a prisoner of war and all of the 57,000 men who didn't survive, we lost that war! The theory was that if Vietman fell, the world was going to hell in a handbasket. Well, it fell and not much happened except that we brought home 57,000 caskets and thousands of young men with drug problems and anti-social behavior.

As one blogger wrote, "What does having your plane shot down have to do with being president?"

Obama and his stuffed shirt VP candidate are far from perfect but we have to extricate ourselves from the view that we have to be in every country that has a problem. (Like giving Georgia a billion (yep - a thousnad million) dollars.)

The Middle East has hated us since the Crusades and sending more troops will not help that view. At worst we are occupiers and at best we are a source of revenue for politicians and the blackmarket. Ten billion dollars a month and I see little hope for a change in that policy with McCain-Palin.

If the Republicans win, I fear that we will see host of changes pushed by the extreme right/religious sectors. Palin's stand on issues has been mentioned and I think McCain is right in there too. I'm afraid we might see the Supreme Court pushed far to the right with new appointees from that administration.
Would you like to see a site like this closed because it's "immoral?" As Judy Tanutta says, "It could happen!"

I appreciate all your opinions above. Thanks.

[Trinity-Fl]

RE: Sourdough's post.

I don't know it all from Alaska but...

She stopped the "Bridge to Nowhere" Yay! But she kept the money that was sent to the state for the construction.

Additionally, I hear that after axing the bridge deal she still signed off on the access road TO the bridge. It's under construction now.

Her small town hired an expensive politician to represent the town in Washington. He certainly paid his way by bringing back $28 million dollars to the community from the Federal govt.

As governor, more money flowed to Alaska per person than any state in the lower forty eight states. She knows all about "earmarks." In Alaska it was a way of life.

And I believe she did try to get her ex-brother-in-law fired. Apparently, the officer's professional association thinks so too and is bringing action against her. Another example of power corrupting.

Maybe Alaskans are happy to see her go for other reasons. :)

[Bi_SW_Wa_Male]

Anyone remember Mondale/Ferrarro ? Yep, having a female VP on ticket assures victory ! I think they should of, if picking a woman, to take Martha Stewart. Corporate run like all politicians, stabbed stock holders in back in trading scam and probably has a bigger one than McCain has ! Smile, pat your back and steal your wallet !

[vittoria]

Anyone remember Mondale/Ferrarro ? Yep, having a female VP on ticket assures victory ! I think they should of, if picking a woman, to take Martha Stewart. Corporate run like all politicians, stabbed stock holders in back in trading scam and probably has a bigger one than McCain has ! Smile, pat your back and steal your wallet !

dOOd, I've been screaming "Mondale/Ferrarro" all day long...

I told this one chick at work.. "they say its a historical victory" for Sarah Plain and Tall to be appointed as a candidate for vicepresident and I asked how the hell is is possible since its been done already during those years?

she replied..

Well Ferrarro was a Democrat...

:rolleyes:

now come the fkk on

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

*Sigh* Lord I'll be glad when political season is over....Nuff said.
Cat

[someguy00]

This business of criticizing Palin for her daughter being pregnant is ridiculous. So Palin stands for traditional family and Christian values. Just because her daughter got knocked up doesn't mean that Palin doesn't really believe in her cause or that she didn't try to impress upon her daughter the importance of those morals (in her eyes). Did it ever occur to people that maybe her daughter just rebelled and went out and did whatever the fuck she wanted to? Or am I the only person in America that didn't do everything my parents told me to? My actions are in no way a reflection of my parents' morals and values and criticizing them for my actions would be completely moronic. The fact that this issue is going to be in the limelight for rest of the campaign completely depletes any faith I might have had in the system. It's a joke. The American public can not make a truly educated decision about either of the candidates because we only know half the facts and half of the facts we do know are bloated out of proportion or loaded to further one's political agenda.

It's a goddamn shame that elections have come to this, but the beneficiaries of publicly elected officials are not you and I. I don't believe for one second that either Obama, McCain, or either of their running mates have the best interests of the common man in mind. Their personal political agenda and the agenda of those with money and power that help them get elected are the main focus. In the meantime, they just have to say the right things to sway the public to get them into office.

Though some may call me apathetic, I will abstain from voting yet again this year. Not because I don't want to have a say, but because I believe that as long as bi partisan politics rule this country, we will never have the right person for the job as President. The choice we make should be between the greater of two goods, but every four years we have to choose between the lesser of two evils.

Sorry about the long rant, but my main point is to caution people from flocking to one candidate or the other based on moral issues, as there is a lot more at stake. One could disagree with the morals of one side, but should be able to look past that and be concerned with the other issues this country faces. Morality should never be a part of it. I'll wrap it up with one thought. You really want to shake up politics? Forget having the first black President or the first female VP. Imagine the first President who, whether Christian, Jewish, Agnostic, Atheist or otherwise, completely checks his religion and morals at the door and stands behind true separation of church and state.

[bigirl_inwv]

A couple of random points I'd like to make...

First and foremost...I beg of people in general...PLEASE stop treating her like she's a saint because her child has Downs. This happens to 1 in 800-1000 women...and people aren't showering them with praise. In my opinion...it takes just as strong of a person to have a mentally disabled child as it does to realize that you aren't capable of caring for one. Besides, none of us know what she considered when she found out prenatally that the child had downs. Being as conservative as she is...and in a position of power...there's no way she could have had an abortion and it not been a huge scandal. But she very well could have considered the option. We don't know.

Secondly...Palin was mayor of a city housing less residents than some high schools. Governor to a state with a population less than most major cities. I'm sorry...but I can hardly call that "experience." She was mayor of a town without a sewer treatment plant...and instead of "building" one...she decided that a $1 mil park and a $15 mil sports complex were higher priorities. She tried to fire a librarian simply because she opposed Palin's idea of removing certain books that she deemed to be "offensive." Not only is that out and out censorship...but it's also a severe abuse of power...something that it's been speculated she's done multiple times.

I probably wouldn't have voted for McCain anyway. I definitely don't believe we need more of the same. With the addition of Palin to the ticket...they've definitely lost my vote. There is too much of a chance that McCain will die during his presidency...and Sara Palin as the commander in chief is just NOT something I--nor the rest of America--is ready for.

[Bluebiyou]

*Sigh* Lord I'll be glad when political season is over....Nuff said.
Cat

"Politics, the art of the possible"

Che Guevera
Evita

...also the art of the spin, I might add.

[darkeyes]

I copied this from another site, it pretty much says how most Alaskans fee.

l

Another Alaskan's views on Ms Palin (in case Sourdough's is insufficient).

Subject: FW: Sarah Palin (from an Alaskan)



This was sent to us by some friends of ours. It pretty much sums up the majority of Alaskans point of view on Sarah Palin.






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Judy, Sarah Palin is the US’s answer to Margaret Thatcher! Anyone who thinks she cannot handle the job or deal briskly and efficiently with ANY issue, including foreign governments … well, they haven’t met our Sarah <grin>.



Sighhhhh.. the eyes... no more needs 2 b sed... well cept the slitely demonic smile... an fore she became PM all she had eva run wos the Dept of Education.. an wotta bloody mess she made a things ova er time as PM...

[Cesca]

Personally I believe that her beliefs on women's and other social issues are disgusting and if elected she will be in the vanguard of chipping away if not smashing down the door of the freedoms of women and indeed gays and bisexual people. I know there is more to running a country than that but if people are unhappy, down trodden and have their rights to that happiness and freedom taken from them, then everything else matters little.

[FuzzloverUK]

She's horrendous - but I've got a funny feeling her and McCain are nailed on to win it. Given that each time the liberals in American politics put their heads above the parapet something dreadful seems to happen perhaps it's just as well.

Is she related to Michael at all? Not that she's very funny...

[wolfcamp]

I listen to their speeches and I have dug into their backgrounds and tried to separate the wheat from the chaff. It would be easy to get sucked into their rhetoric, but I keep coming back to one thought. They still represent the Republican agenda. It's big money and good ol' boy networks [and screw the little guy]. It's religion driven politics. It's anti-science. It's doing nothing about social issues like health care and social security. It's a myopic approach to education. It's a chipping away of individual rights. It's war, war, war.

Can someone please tell me how this is going to change with McCain and Palin?

[darkeyes]

I listen to their speeches and I have dug into their backgrounds and tried to separate the wheat from the chaff. It would be easy to get sucked into their rhetoric, but I keep coming back to one thought. They still represent the Republican agenda. It's big money and good ol' boy networks [and screw the little guy]. It's religion driven politics. It's anti-science. It's doing nothing about social issues like health care and social security. It's a myopic approach to education. It's a chipping away of individual rights. It's war, war, war.

Can someone please tell me how this is going to change with McCain and Palin?
U tell 'em Wolfie..me luffsya! muah! Principles an ideals..not personalities...:tong:

[vittoria]

Here's something I found from someone who is ACTUALLY FROM alaska..

COMPLETE WITH A LINK!!!

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/an-wasillan-on.html:

Hell I'll even put it here for those who dont like "links":

A Wasillan On Sarah Palin
02 Sep 2008 11:34 am


This was posted in the comments section on the Washington Independent by Alaskan and a Wasillan, Anne Kilkenny, someone who has followed Sarah Palin very, very closely - with too many city council meetings under her belt - not to say her piece. She seems the kind of person that a professional vetting system would have found, and debriefed. We're talking small town politics here as well, so bear that in mind. And I've reproduced only the gist here - go read the original for much more. But after you read this, you begin to realize that there can have been almost no vetting whatsoever:


Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents. During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign. Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative”. During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%.
This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents. The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing. While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once. These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state. In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs. She’s not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren’t evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day. Sarah complained about the “old boy’s club” when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State’s top cop (see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla’s Police Chief because he “intimidated” her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn’t like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness. Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the “old boys’ club” when she dramatically quit, exposing this man’s ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the “bridge to nowhere” after it became clear that it would be unwise not to. As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as “anti-pork”. She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her “Sarah Barracuda” because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her. As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as “AGIA” that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned “as a private citizen” against a state initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State’s lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior’s decision to list polar bears as threatened species. McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President. There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she. However, there’s a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.

[Sourdough]

I actually am from Alaska also, and I know this family. No we are not close friends, but I do know them. I don't need to look at all those links to know they are posting lies about the Palins. Todd is not a big wig for BP, he is a production worker. I don't care what the blogs and links say, they lie.

I saw Sara when she was expecting, and know that Trig was her baby, even tho the media at first said he was Bristols. They lied.

Monaghan was fired because he did not do the job he was hired to do. Increase the Troopers by 50 new men. Instead he bowed to the union and spent the appropriated money on overtime for current troopers. A practice he was to stop, and prevent from happening in the future. After the fact, Andrew Halcrow started asking question and making suggestions, along came Troopergate. Sara has asked that the matter be looked into to clear her actions of wrong doing. She did nothing wrong, those are trumped up charges to make her look bad. Halcrow was defeated so badly in the election he can't live with it. He is obsessed with doing what ever he can to discredit her. Luckily, Alaskans know it and ignore it, too bad the rest of the country has to listen. They even ran an article in the paper up here about how he sits at his computer and attacks Sara through blogs daily.

She not only got rid of the Executive Jet, that the residents of Alaska did not want the previous Governor to buy. She also got rid of the Executive Chauffeur, and the Executive Chef, at the Governors Mansion. She drives herself to work, and feels her daughters need to learn to fix their own meals.

Yes I even know Levi, two years ago when my son's hockey team and Wasilla's team played, my son and Levi got ejected from the game for fighting. That happens in Hockey, especially during the tournaments.

I don't know why the media and bloggers have decided to assassinate this woman with such lies and made up statements about her and her family. But the truth will come out and the country will see she is real and honest. Her family was a typical middle class American family before being thrust into the spotlight. Not the royal elite from inside the beltway.

[Sourdough]

Oh yes, I got all my information from the local papers, local news, and word of mouth from local residents. Many of which are state employees.

Vittorio: I posted the same article one page back.

[vittoria]

Um..

no ya didnt :)

Its not even the same words!

Geesh not one scrap of referenceable ANYTHING, yet all there is is "Nuh Uhh" and "yah huh"

Gimme a link! ;)

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[vittoria]

I actually am from Alaska also, and I know this family. No we are not close friends, but I do know them. I don't need to look at all those links to know they are posting lies about the Palins. Todd is not a big wig for BP, he is a production worker. I don't care what the blogs and links say, they lie.

I saw Sara when she was expecting, and know that Trig was her baby, even tho the media at first said he was Bristols. They lied.

Monaghan was fired because he did not do the job he was hired to do. Increase the Troopers by 50 new men. Instead he bowed to the union and spent the appropriated money on overtime for current troopers. A practice he was to stop, and prevent from happening in the future. After the fact, Andrew Halcrow started asking question and making suggestions, along came Troopergate. Sara has asked that the matter be looked into to clear her actions of wrong doing. She did nothing wrong, those are trumped up charges to make her look bad. Halcrow was defeated so badly in the election he can't live with it. He is obsessed with doing what ever he can to discredit her. Luckily, Alaskans know it and ignore it, too bad the rest of the country has to listen. They even ran an article in the paper up here about how he sits at his computer and attacks Sara through blogs daily.

She not only got rid of the Executive Jet, that the residents of Alaska did not want the previous Governor to buy. She also got rid of the Executive Chauffeur, and the Executive Chef, at the Governors Mansion. She drives herself to work, and feels her daughters need to learn to fix their own meals.

Yes I even know Levi, two years ago when my son's hockey team and Wasilla's team played, my son and Levi got ejected from the game for fighting. That happens in Hockey, especially during the tournaments.

I don't know why the media and bloggers have decided to assassinate this woman with such lies and made up statements about her and her family. But the truth will come out and the country will see she is real and honest. Her family was a typical middle class American family before being thrust into the spotlight. Not the royal elite from inside the beltway.

So whose lies do we believe...Ones from ABC, NBC, CNN, every newspaper in the US, (including Alaska even though one would like to imagine they're not actually the US)--

Or someone from bisexual.com with no pic of themselves, no proof or at least a reference to back up their contention? I mean Christ, I can say I went to school with LeBron James just because I'm from Akron too... No wait... he lived right down the street from me and yes his mom was a crack head...

And people should blindly go... "Oh really? Then that's all the proof I need!"

LOL riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

;)

[Sourdough]

Sounds to me like we are pretty equal. I have my views, and you have yours. I live in North Pole, Alaska. Really. How do I know you live on OH, you are from Bi Sexual.com also. Are you to be trusted too.

[frenchvikki]

My knowledge of Sarah Palin is almost nil, and what I know of her is only that which I have derived from the media and the claims and counterclaims which are bandied about. Politically I could never bring myself to vote for her, but that is because I am not a conservatively minded person. I am unable to anyway as I am not American, but from the articles and commentaries I have read in both right and left wing press in this country, there are serious questions to be asked and answered about her integrity, honesty, ability and readiness for such high office. Hopefully in the next few months these will be answered and I hope to the satisfaction of all, because a properly democratic election should be about policy and the future and not personalities. Questions about personalities cloud the issues which matter to people and unless they are provided time and discussed properly and the policies of candidates aired for people to understand then a truly democratic election can not be said to have taken place.

Many questions have been raised about Obama and not all for the proper reasons. It is to be hoped that the questions raised about all candidates can be answered so that the USA can properly elect the President of its choice. I wish I could say I am optimistic about election coming down to policy but I am not. This will as they say run and run and Americans will vote on the ticket they believe to be the least of two evils.

[angiebi6]

Just a thought... what if Palin is bisexual?

/What if her daughter is her bisexual lover? Who cares. The focus should be on her ability to do the job thats required. Thousands of american familys have daughters who for whatever reason or circumstance are unwed mothers. Kids make mistakes. Teenage kids don't always make adult decisions. GROW UP AMERICA!. Be thankful this woman is providing the loving support her daughter needs. Be thankful the baby will be cared for and loved.

[vittoria]

Sounds to me like we are pretty equal. I have my views, and you have yours. I live in North Pole, Alaska. Really. How do I know you live on OH, you are from Bi Sexual.com also. Are you to be trusted too.

Fermented yeast,


the only way we're equal is because "God" said so.

LMAO!!

Um...

I can be trusted cause..
1) I can spell

2)A dear friend on this site has sent me mail to my address here in ohio... I am not afraid to show who I am, and what do you know? I have links!!! To legitimate sources, not questionable ones.

:cutelaugh

But I wont waste them on you. A nameless faceless person has no right to challenge me on my existence, or my legitimacy ;) I have a face, I have a name, and with that, I leave this thread to its original topic :)

[frenchvikki]

/What if her daughter is her bisexual lover? Who cares. The focus should be on her ability to do the job thats required. Thousands of american familys have daughters who for whatever reason or circumstance are unwed mothers. Kids make mistakes. Teenage kids don't always make adult decisions. GROW UP AMERICA!. Be thankful this woman is providing the loving support her daughter needs. Be thankful the baby will be cared for and loved.
How do we know that the child is going to be truly raised and cared for? I do hope it is the case but we are discussing an ambitious woman and I cant say that fact gives me any real comfort regarding the child's future. She parades her daugher in front of millions on TV? Why? I do not say that she does not love her daughter and will not love her grandchild. However I do believe that they are subservient and secondary to her ambition and the ambition of McCain and the Republican party. Therefore I am unsure that Sarah Palin is provinding the support her child needs. She is providing the support she believes her child should need. That is not the same thing at all.

Everything seems much too contrived to be genuine. At the end of the day it is the American people who must decide, but before doing so they have to get the honesty and the answers they deserve.

[allbimyself]

How do we know that the child is going to be truly raised and cared for? I do hope it is the case but we are discussing an ambitious woman and I cant say that fact gives me any real comfort regarding the child's future. She parades her daugher in front of millions on TV? Why? I do not say that she does not love her daughter and will not love her grandchild. However I do believe that they are subservient and secondary to her ambition and the ambition of McCain and the Republican party. Therefore I am unsure that Sarah Palin is provinding the support her child needs. She is providing the support she believes her child should need. That is not the same thing at all.

Everything seems much too contrived to be genuine. At the end of the day it is the American people who must decide, but before doing so they have to get the honesty and the answers they deserve.
I'm sorry, but what you just wrote can be said about any politician, not just Palin.

[frenchvikki]

I'm sorry, but what you just wrote can be said about any politician, not just Palin.

Agreed.

[12voltman59]

Watching Bill Maher last night, he did mention with one guest, the story regarding the birth of the youngest Palin--I had heard that when Sarah was supposedly preggers--she had not told anyone till almost the time the baby was born and that some did not think she could have been pregnant--Maher said that according to the stories going around---that the 17 year old--Bristol--had taken an almost six month leave of absence from school for some specious reason. I had heard in another report that during this time--she was being home schooled. Sorta suspicious me thinks!

All of this is fine-and if the girl was really the mother of that infant--that is fine too-and it is one thing that families have their "dirty little secrets" when they are merely "private" people----but since Sarah Palin was by choice--a "public person" in being governor of a state at that time and now is seeking the second highest elected office in this nation and one important by extension to the world--she does owe it to be more forecoming and by not being truthful--it does call into question her integrity.

It is something though---with Repubicans-they can come to accept and spin things that whatever one of their darlings does is fine--but my god--let a Dem do the same thing and its just horrible--

It does seem that the McCain campaign is going to shield their rockstar candidate from exposure to the evil media--that is no good.

If she can't stand some heat from people like Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman, Jon Stewart, or even Oprah---can she stand up to the heat she might face as the possible president from people like Putin, (I mean Medvedev), Osama Bin Laden or Hezzbolah???

It also strikes me as funny--those on the "conservative side" always talk about being so strong and all and that they hate "victomhood" but they sure do embrace it when it suits their needs!! So all of this talk about Sarah Palin getting beaten up by the evil, liberal, east and west coast media is just so much bunk--they do have a right to be mad about the tabloid stuff--but Rupert Murdoch is one of the biggest purveyors of tabloid journalsm ironically enough---and to conflate that sort of coverage with gossip media when the political reporters try to ask some tough and legitimate questions with the crap the tabloids put out is Bull too.

I thought the conservatives were supposed to be so tough--I mean my goodness--Sarah Palin deals with those rough Alaskan winters and she hunts and shoots to boot!! She can't take some questions from the new york studio anchors???

[Lateralus]

I can totally understand if you guys give me shit for this. But Palin is 100% MILF! That woman has legs on her! I see why hubby gave her 5 kids. She may be the over zealous soccer mom from hell, but there's alot to be said about her sex life if she's had 5 kids, none of them twins to my knowledge ;). There's also something about that 1950s school teacher look that drives me wild inside. I'm willing to bet that as conservative as Palin may be on the surface, she's probably a white hot pool of lava in the bedroom. Sorry, I had to get that off my chest.

[12voltman59]

I can totally understand if you guys give me shit for this. But Palin is 100% MILF! That woman has legs on her! I see why hubby gave her 5 kids. She may be the over zealous soccer mom from hell, but there's alot to be said about her sex life if she's had 5 kids, none of them twins to my knowledge ;). There's also something about that 1950s school teacher look that drives me wild inside. I'm willing to bet that as conservative as Palin may be on the surface, she's probably a white hot pool of lava in the bedroom. Sorry, I had to get that off my chest.

You are probably right on that score--it is obvious the one daughter is "hot to trot!!"


:bigrin::bigrin::bigrin:

[vittoria]

Here's a new updated link from youtube--

Starring John McCain and Sarah Palin at the RNC

Enjoy :)

music sung by Julie Andrews (or Deborah Kerr)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOVc9djQUFk

[12voltman59]

I just had to resurrect this thread regarding Sarah Palin--and this time I am not being critical of her--I just wanted to share some observations I have made in regards to McCain's choice of her as his Veep running mate.

I have to hand it to whoever it was in the McCain campaign that pushed for her to be the choice--because from a purely political standpoint--I am beginning to think that the choice may very well lead to the McCain-Palin ticket being victorious on November 4th.

In discussing the choice with family and friends here in the battleground state of Ohio--one of the states that tends to send a ticket home to wherever the people come from--or to 1600 Penna Ave in Washington, DC.

Almost to a person--family and friend alike----they think that Sarah Palin is the "bee's knees" and was an inspired choice--in fact many expressed to me that most likely they would not have voted come election day because they of course, could not vote "for that Obama fellow! and were not that enamored of McCain.

Oopps--forgot to add: They only watch FOX News now--CBS, ABC, CNN and especiallly NBC and MSNBC cannot be trusted--they are the evil liberal, east coast media that hates America--only FOX gives news the way its supposed to be!!

Among the reasons they love SARAH!!!! is that everyone knows a woman just like Sarah--what I will say in following paragraphs in describing her is in their words more or less--- First-she a good, redblooded All-American woman (a damn looker too)--not some (they normally don't curse of course but have to make an exception in this case) bitch like Hillary Clinton! (that is often women speaking)

Some of them were cousins or the wives of some of my male cousins at an event I attended in the parish hall of the church both my parents grew up, were married and I was baptized.

They have at least three or four kids and are hard working moms too--some of them look (subtract 30 or 40 pounds) like Sarah, hairstyle, glasses or at least that high pitched nasally voice!!

They see them in her!! Something very powerful.

Also-my relatives being "good Cathloic girls" ---they believe the Bible's and the Church's admonitions to "go forth and multiply!" They love that Sarah has five kids and does what she does!!

They are sure as heck PROLIFE---and for me---they cannot fathom that I could not feel the same--"I mean--you are such a good person--but how can you be in favor of killing babies, Mike???

There is no point of commonality when the other person starts from that point--

These people also love it that the evil, liberal media hates Sarah and love it that she is not going to talk to them----and as far as experience is concerned---they recite back the spin about Sarah actually running something like she did as mayor and governor more than qualifies her and that being a Senator is really not anything--but, well John McCain is a war hero--something that eliitist Barak Obama has no idea what that is.

The fact is though--these folks are not going to be voting for John McCain--they are voting for Sarah Palin.

Other areas---Taxes----John McCain wants to help with tax breaks and grow the economy--while Obama being a Democrat is all about "tax and spend and tax and spend and spend and spend and..." so he is bad.

The war----it is good we went to war to kill the people who bombed us on 9/11 and it is better to fight those terrorist people over there instead of over here!!!

The economy--Bush did fine--but the only reason things went bad is because the Democrats--who hate America and want to see the nation fail--would not let President Bush get his policies passed.

They hope that McCain will basically keep the Bush policies.

Going back to those social issues--with Sarah--there is a real chance that we will finally stop the murder of millons of babies every year by stopping abortion and we will make sure the gay rights agenda people don't get their way that so threatens the family!!

So--I think I coverd the bases---and the things I heard directly and indirectly over recent weeks---

Basically--they think that Sarah is just great and that my god---to vote for Barak Obama and Joe Biden--means that you cannot be a good and true Christian American---Obama and Biden are evil--evil I tell you--if you vote for them-it will be the death of America-but vote for Sarah and ohhhh yeah--John McCain---things are gonna be just great in America again and it will show that America is a Godly country and that God will be back on our side again!!

So--all the talking heads on the 24/7 cable news channels---might as well shut up about that we don't know enough about Sarah Palin and she is not experienced enough to be vice president, let alone possibly president---from what I have seen--the people that vote on November 4th have judged Sarah Palin and for their own reasons---consider her to be more than qualified to become vice president --and God willing-- she will become our first woman president!!! (better than that damn bitch) (they also like it that Palin is very much an "Un-Feminist")

Just some thoughts and observations on the subject!!

Late addition:--these good folks now get their news exculsively from FOX News-"they are the only ones telling the truth--the other networks--especially MSNBC---are incredibly liberal with MSNBC being the worst!!!!!!"

[REALBICPL]

Just imagine if the secret labs in Ft Detrick Md. combined her DNA with Bush and Cheney,,,it would be the AntiChrist for sure!!! ARRRGGGGHHHH:eek: