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PlacentaJuan
Jun 21, 2008, 5:44 AM
I'm sure you've heard about this by now.

How do you feel about it?

Why the fuck are people like this allowed to exist?

I don't feel bad for them because they did it on purpose and I saw a news show where it said that the girls would take multiple pregnancy tests at school given by the nurse and how they purposely got pregnant, some even with homeless men. :eek:

The dudes were probably fed the ole

"Im on birth control" or "I cant get pregnant"

The latter for the dumber ones

I'd be interested to hear what the girls have to say 12 months after giving birth.

I wonder how happy they will be with their decision to have a child.

I wonder how many of them will actually go on to have their children, keep them, and raise them?

Turning this around on society is a 'enabler' way of looking at things.

It's like blaming gun control and Hollywood for gun violence. at some fundamental level its the guy who pulls the trigger's fault. Its the girl's fault for getting herself pregnant.

we all have our issues. society is obviously the root of those issues. but it is our choice how we act and if you take away a person's accountability and responsibility for their actions you might as well not even consider them a human being anymore because fundamentally that's what separates us from animals is that we have the ability to make conscious choices.

If these women did want to avoid pregnancy they easily could have but they didn't and they got knocked up on purpose.

By MELISSA TRUJILLO, Associated Press Writer
Fri Jun 20, 7:52 PM ET

GLOUCESTER, Mass. - The girls showed up repeatedly at the high school health clinic, asking for pregnancy tests. But their reactions to the test results were puzzling: high-fives if they were expecting, long faces if they weren't.

School officials in this hard-luck New England fishing town say an alarming 17 girls — four times the usual number — became pregnant this year. And even more disturbing: Some of the girls may have made a pact to have babies and raise them together.

"A typical girl you would think would say, `Oh my God! What am I going to do now? How am I going to support this baby? How am I going to finish school?'" Superintendent Christopher Farmer said. "These young women clearly have not seen that."

The story exploded after Joseph Sullivan, the principal of Gloucester High School, was quoted by Time magazine this week as saying the girls confessed to making such a pact. Sullivan was on vacation Friday and did not return calls for comment.

The superintendent said he had no independent confirmation of a pact. But he added: "What we do know is there was a group of students being tested for pregnancy on a regular basis, which would suggest they were not taking steps to avoid becoming pregnant, and that when some of them had their babies, they appeared to be very pleased."

None of the girls or their families have come forward to confirm any type of pact, and school and health officials have not identified any of the youngsters.

The girls are all 16 or under, nearly all of them sophomores. The superintendent said they have been reluctant to identify the fathers, many of whom are older. But one of them "is a 24-year-old homeless guy," the principal was quoted as telling Time.

City and school officials in this town of about 30,000 people 30 miles north of Boston have been struggling for months to explain and deal with the pregnancies, where on average only four girls a year at the 1,200-student high school become pregnant.

Just last month, two officials at the high school health center resigned to protest the local hospital's refusal to support a proposal to distribute contraceptives to youngsters at the school without parental consent. The hospital controls the clinic's funding.

Mayor Carolyn Kirk said Friday there are many contributing factors to what she called a "blip" in the pregnancy rate, from glamorization of teen pregnancy in pop culture to cuts in funding that have reduced teachers and health classes in Gloucester.

"We have fallen on hard times," Kirk said of her city, which has suffered in recent decades with the decline in the fishing industry that has defined Gloucester since the colonial era.

Gloucester is the town that lost six fishermen in the 1991 shipwreck that inspired the book and movie "The Perfect Storm." Its high school teams are known as the Fighting Fishermen.

Student Council member Emily Spreer said many of the girls came from difficult socioeconomic circumstances: "Their circle or clique, they're not the most fortunate family-wise."

"If you're a young person who really is struggling to find an identity for herself, absent the support and the guidance, it can become almost a default option for some to become a mom," said Patricia Quinn, executive director of the Massachusetts Alliance on Teen Pregnancy. "We need to do more for young people and show them more paths."

Gloucester — a heavily Roman Catholic town with a large Italian and Portuguese population — has long been supportive of teen mothers. The high school has a day care center for students and employees.

Christen Callahan, a former Gloucester High student who had a child when she was 15, said on NBC's "Today" show that some of the girls would ask her about her own pregnancy. "They would say stuff like, `Oh, I think my parents would be fine with it and they would help me,' stuff like that," Callahan said.

Sarah Brown, chief executive of the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, suggested some of the blame lies with the nation's Hollywood-obsessed culture, in which stories about pregnant celebrities abound.

Just this week, 17-year-old TV star Jamie Lynn Spears, the unmarried sister of Britney Spears, gave birth. "Juno," a wry comedy about a 16-year-old girl who gets pregnant, was one of the most acclaimed movies of the year.

"Baby bumps get written about the same way designer handbags do. It's just one more lifestyle choice, just another personal expression: these shoes, this bump and that handbag," Brown said. "It's not surprising that teenage girls can get confused or even seduced by the allure of celebrity pregnancy."

frenchvikki
Jun 21, 2008, 6:05 AM
we all have our issues. society is obviously the root of those issues. but it is our choice how we act and if you take away a person's accountability and responsibility for their actions you might as well not even consider them a human being anymore because fundamentally that's what separates us from animals is that we have the ability to make conscious choices.

Quite. So you accept responsibility for being bitter and twisted? Or is acting like a congenital idiot normal?

PlacentaJuan
Jun 21, 2008, 6:32 AM
Quite. So you accept responsibility for being bitter and twisted? Or is acting like a congenital idiot normal?

This isn't about me, how do you feel about the 17 women who did this?

frenchvikki
Jun 21, 2008, 6:56 AM
This isn't about me, how do you feel about the 17 women who did this?

No it is about you and your contempt for the world and everything in it that you neither like or understand.

I do not know anything of the case but feel nothing but sympathy and compassion for these girls and their life choices. Just as I hope they receive all the support they deserve to help them through their lives, their problems and the raising of their children, it is my hope you are afforded the same compassion and support in yours.

GreenEyedLady(GEL)
Jun 21, 2008, 7:23 AM
First, obsviously it takes two to tango. A guy should already know to wear a condom anyhow no matter what she might tell a guy. Sure she might be on some sort of birth control, but you never know who else dipped down that well.

Secondly, repeated visits for pregnancy tests, should have been a red flag dont ya think ? I can understand one, but someone had to have been seeing a pattern it would seem like someone should have stepped in sooner.

Dumb ass kids these days, boys and girls, not just the girls. You know what I get from this whole topic ? The fact that the rest of us will be paying for the infants diapers and formula while the mothers get a free ride , we'll end up sending her to college to get her dumb ass educated.

Pearlindarkwater
Jun 21, 2008, 11:34 AM
Green Eyed Lady - I think that the repeated pregnancy tests are how this whole situation was found out. Fom what I read, the local clinic noticed a large number of girls coming in for pregnancy tests and having strange reactions when they found out they were/weren't pregnant, and the clinic notified the school that something strange was going on.

As for the personal responsibility of the people involved, I do think that most of these girls were of an age where if they had been raised to have any sense at all they should have known better. That said, they will have to live with the consequences of their actions, and I can't find it in my heart to wish ill on them. Hopefully this mistake wont ruin their entire lives and they will grow as people from the challanges they have faced themselves with.

I also hope that they boys/men who had sex with them have to live with the consequences as well, whatever a girl might have said, it is a man's responsibility to guard himself by using a condom.

We as a culture have begun to idealize pregnancy in ways that I can see being decieving to young people, but regardless of how much attention the media gives to celebrity moms, a parent is ultimately responsible for making sure their child knows the realities of raising a child. Of course, teenagers are notorious for thinking that they know better than everyone else, so this is sometimes easier said than done :)

bisexualinsocal
Jun 21, 2008, 12:20 PM
This is how socialism aka communism starts.

tatooedpunk
Jun 21, 2008, 6:44 PM
i was just reading this thread as i had read the story in the papers and was intersted what people thought.
But bisexualinsocal if you are making a joke sorry i didnt get it but if not (which i think is the case) what the fuck did that comment mean!

FalconAngel
Jun 21, 2008, 6:50 PM
Those 17 girls were completely irresponsible.

While the guys that, intentionally or not, helped them get pregnant, do carry some of the responsibility with the girls, it was also the responsibility of those girls to be honest with any of the men/boys that they decided to sleep with.

Now, not only have these irresponsible girls put ruin or near ruin to their young lives, they also have chosen to adversely affect the lives of 17 other people plus the lives and futures of the babies that they are carrying.

If I were the judge in the support cases that will grow from this, I would give custody of all of the babies to the fathers, make the mothers pay support and be relegated to "visitor" status.

Barring, of course, a demonstration of unfitness by the fathers in each case.

There is no excuse for what they did and no way that they can justify it. The statistics alone on situations like what these girls are up to show a low probability that they or their kids will have a decent future.

Doggie_Wood
Jun 21, 2008, 7:49 PM
This is how socialism aka communism starts.

and then after a set number of kids - mandatory sterilization?

sheeeesh :rolleyes:

btw: socialism and communism are two totally different forms of political governmentally imposed lifesets.

:doggie:

bisexualinsocal
Jun 21, 2008, 9:15 PM
and then after a set number of kids - mandatory sterilization?

sheeeesh :rolleyes:

btw: socialism and communism are two totally different forms of political governmentally imposed lifesets.

:doggie:

No, they go hand in hand. The government can't steal from one group and give to another unless it's at gun point.

You can't enforce socialism without an authoritarian state.

bisexualinsocal
Jun 21, 2008, 9:17 PM
i was just reading this thread as i had read the story in the papers and was intersted what people thought.
But bisexualinsocal if you are making a joke sorry i didnt get it but if not (which i think is the case) what the fuck did that comment mean!

Oh it wasn't a joke. This is how socialism/communism starts. Children from broken homes. The decline of the nuclear family.

These poor kids will grow up without a mother and father. So the state will become the father.

BronzeBobby
Jun 21, 2008, 10:59 PM
They wanted to get pregnant and did. End of story, I don't judge anybody in this case.

bisexualinsocal
Jun 21, 2008, 11:15 PM
They wanted to get pregnant and did. End of story, I don't judge anybody in this case.

Well I do! These girls are really, really, really dumb.

ThatSubliminalKid
Jun 22, 2008, 5:49 AM
They wanted to get pregnant and did. End of story, I don't judge anybody in this case.

I don't believe that you're not judging anyone (you're just not writing about it on here that's all), or that you don't have an opinion about these women.

As somebody who grew up in a disadvantaged family in a relatively isolated area, one of the worst and most unjust things I could conceive at that age would be to willfully have a child and drag a new life into the same situation that I had to endure.

I cannot empathize with those girls or feel pity for them.

ThatSubliminalKid
Jun 22, 2008, 5:57 AM
Well I do! These girls are really, really, really dumb.

Who would have thought it?
I when I hear Gloucester Mass.
I think of brave intrepid fishermen, NOT
REALLY REALLY STUPID white trash teenagers.

gfofbiguy
Jun 22, 2008, 3:25 PM
Well I do! These girls are really, really, really dumb.

The girls may be "really, really, really dumb", but the boys are really, really, really dumb as well to have sex with those girls in the first place without using protection - to protect against diseases AS WELL AS to protect the girls from getting pregnant.

bisexualinsocal
Jun 22, 2008, 3:39 PM
The girls may be "really, really, really dumb", but the boys are really, really, really dumb as well to have sex with those girls in the first place without using protection - to protect against diseases AS WELL AS to protect the girls from getting pregnant.

You are preaching to the choir on this.

gfofbiguy
Jun 22, 2008, 3:48 PM
You are preaching to the choir on this.

That may be, but all I've seen from you is blaming the girls entirely when it takes two to tango and the boys were just as stupid as the girls to get into this situation.

bisexualinsocal
Jun 22, 2008, 4:08 PM
That may be, but all I've seen from you is blaming the girls entirely when it takes two to tango and the boys were just as stupid as the girls to get into this situation.

The men are stupid but the girls... they are really, really, really stupid. The boys got an easy lay, that's the reality of it. Women need, for their own sakes, to be supreme gatekeepers of their sexuality.

BronzeBobby
Jun 22, 2008, 4:13 PM
I don't believe that you're not judging anyone (you're just not writing about it on here that's all), or that you don't have an opinion about these women.

As somebody who grew up in a disadvantaged family in a relatively isolated area, one of the worst and most unjust things I could conceive at that age would be to willfully have a child and drag a new life into the same situation that I had to endure.

I cannot empathize with those girls or feel pity for them.

I had a hard knocks life too. It was better than not existing. They wanted to get pregnant and now they are. Let's just hope the kids get enough love. Condemning the act by which they were brought into the world isn't very helpful.

bisexualinsocal
Jun 22, 2008, 4:18 PM
I had a hard knocks life too. It was better than not existing. They wanted to get pregnant and now they are. Let's just hope the kids get enough love. Condemning the act by which they were brought into the world isn't very helpful.

That is incorrect.

These girls deserve all the scorn and mockery they will get. Their actions are evil and evil needs to be made an example of.

jamieknyc
Jun 22, 2008, 4:27 PM
You're all assuming that this story is true- something that is not a given.

bisexualinsocal
Jun 22, 2008, 4:31 PM
You're all assuming that this story is true- something that is not a given.

Well your assuming I mean what I say! So there!

ThatSubliminalKid
Jun 22, 2008, 6:32 PM
I wonder how many of these women will actually keep their children and raise them and not give them up for adoption or have an abortion?

vittoria
Jun 24, 2008, 1:25 AM
I found this article being discussed on another site (http://forums.dailyrotten.com/383/00029296/) and I do like some of the funny comments on the forums I linked to:

Hey... those "funny comments on the forums 'you' linked to" dont exist... LOL!!!

Anyone can click on the "mrobvious" post, (click on the arrow next to it) and it scrolls up to a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT POST...

Just because you know how to use the "quote" instructions on here doesnt make you anymore subtle ... is it the zirconium variety, the insanely lonely in cali, or the antithesis to lois lane?

:rolleyes:

FalconAngel
Jun 24, 2008, 12:34 PM
You're all assuming that this story is true- something that is not a given.

It did make the news, so the probability of the story being true is pretty high. There haven't been too many times that a story makes the national news and is a fake.
If it were a fake, then one would think that it would have been found out by now.

DreamFalsetto09
Jul 1, 2008, 11:53 AM
I can't really say nothing about this post because I became an aunt when I was 10 years old and then again 12 but luckily my sister isn't struggling to raise her children anymore but I feel for them because raising a child is a struggle! believe you me it is!

darkeyes
Jul 2, 2008, 3:39 PM
It did make the news, so the probability of the story being true is pretty high. There haven't been too many times that a story makes the national news and is a fake.
If it were a fake, then one would think that it would have been found out by now.
Ya reckon Falcon babes? Dunno bout this story..but ther hav been plenty cases a the media makin up stories 2 suit ther own agenda an political standpoint.. but worse in many ways..wer they hav misreported an lied as 2 the facts of a case for jus the same reason... a germ a truth don make it THE truth... an certainly not the WHOLE truth.. sad thing bout the so called free press innit????

chulainn2
Jul 2, 2008, 5:04 PM
what a bunch of losers!

jamieknyc
Jul 2, 2008, 5:24 PM
what a bunch of losers!

Slow down, the story turned out to be false

FalconAngel
Jul 3, 2008, 12:29 AM
Ya reckon Falcon babes? Dunno bout this story..but ther hav been plenty cases a the media makin up stories 2 suit ther own agenda an political standpoint.. but worse in many ways..wer they hav misreported an lied as 2 the facts of a case for jus the same reason... a germ a truth don make it THE truth... an certainly not the WHOLE truth.. sad thing bout the so called free press innit????

True enough, Darkeyes. That is how disinformation works. Give enough truth to make it believable and people will swallow it, and based on what some are saying, they pulled the wool over everyone's eyes, for a while, on this story.