An extremely challenging and serious thread - foresight

[Bluebiyou]

Those of you who 'have the gift' please read on... others.. Please ignore/skip this thread... do not scorn...
those of you who are given insight of the future...
On the sometime rare... sometimes continuous insights... that are gifts...
What are our rules?
I know we don't have to collude to have faith in these things... they've happened so often in our lives... we know others are different... some have more, some have less.
The rules I have gathered:
1. This is something sacred... I cannot perverse it to the least degree/.
2. Do no harm. Regardless what harm we see, we can be no intentional part of it. To a lesser extent, we cannot intentionally 'make' what we see happen.
3. We must tell the truth to the parties concerned. We cannot lie or bias. Others do not matter/are not important/ are sometimes working to detriment.
4. We cannot act to our profit. To our, or other survival... or avoidance... is okay. But if we are given literal stock market transactions of tomorrow, we cannot act/profit.
The 'gift' is almost a curse at times... I've seen terrible things... and have said terrible things... just to see them come true.
I've seen wonderful things... only to realize some were not -quite- what I had hoped/thought, but were quite nearly true to what I saw.
Please don't add to this thread if you're a naysayer... I'm really sincere about this... I know this is an open and supportive culture, and there are those of us... who... just sometimes 'see' things...
My... insights... are substantially different in nature (not to imply contradictory) from my gf... and yet both are so accurate...
I know ... those of us... who have these... have to keep quiet so others don't think us insane... yet, we have to reveal what we 'see' in total honesty to the 'subject'.
What other 'rules' do you live by? ... When you 'see' things?

[ambi53mm]

In addition to those you’ve stated:

To make no judgment….I can not know but a part of the bigger scheme of things and that my comprehension has limitation.. and that by doing the contrary may deny someone a much needed life lesson....and thus I run the risk of denying myself as well

To understand the nature of the game but to stay within the parameters that have been laid down ,while understanding the personal responsibilities and ramifications of cause and effect in both the physical and non-physical realities.

That self fulfilling prophesy is collective in nature, the collective may voice it’s own desires... but the representative “I” has a choice. Yes, and No.

Ambi:)

[Bluebiyou]

Sometimes there'll be months.... years, ten years,... and nothing.
All of a sudden, out of the blue, wham! Never a full 'vision', picture, or phrase. But ...so chillingly often accurate.
Sometimes one so soon after another... hours... days...
From death to love... all subjects are possible...
I suppose all we can do... is our best...
I suppose I'm just trying to make sense... of that which we're not supposed to make sense... that's why it's a 'gift'.

[the mage]

First trick is to not let it get away from your concsious mind.
As awareness rises it in my case has been urgent, never any type of profitable scene, I have at times not acted and been sorry.

We are talking about the nebulous 6th sense here.
Its existence has led me to life I now choose as a non closeted non sexually monogamous yet very dedicated and totally honest lover of both sexes.

It has saved my life..literally.

I am alive, well, and essentially retired as a result of following that sense.

[the mage]

Timothy Leary and his followers believed LSD would help you tune into this part of the life chain, but while worth a try, it was not the way.

I've been high and while it alters your ability to process the world it does not enhance it. A natural state is preferred for atunement.

[ambi53mm]

Timothy Leary and his followers believed LSD would help you tune into this part of the life chain, but while worth a try, it was not the way.

I've been high and while it alters your ability to process the world it does not enhance it. A natural state is preferred for atunement.

I agree but as I mentioned on a related thread...it did serve a prupose at the time. Exploring that "natural state" gives the pursuer more in terms of owership..you can read about it...talk about it...listen to other's experiences..but until you've walked it you can't own it.
Those insights seem to come more often in a natural state...although these days it takes more effort to tune out than it does to tune in..I've said too much already.

Ambi:)

[eddy10]

A few people are more observant, perceptive, more aware , and think more intensely about future events more than others. In my view this is not a sixth sense so much as an ability to get the other five working in harmony to have a feeling for what may happen. That's my story, and I am sticking to it.

The rule I follow is: "only if I am asked."

[FalconAngel]

The gift of vision is a true and undeniable gift. And there are many types; Dreams, waking vision (clairvoyance), Audio vision (clairaudience), Visions involving taste and/or feeling as well. I, like most people who recognize it for what it is, have experienced the latter of those.

Soldiers call it "combat radar" or "soldier's sense", while most people just ignore it or "poo poo" it.

Most people don't believe in it because society (mostly Judeo-Christian) has told us that we cannot have these senses or the power to change the "inevitable"; but every child, until it is drilled out of them, knows the world of spirits and the "supernatural".

Has no one wondered why it is that some people, even though not really pet people always get positive reactions from even the most anti-social pets? I know that most people have a story about how this pet or that pet never seems to like strangers; except for your friend (whoever) that just seems to get their attention and is drawn to them.

That kind of thing is a clear example of how someone with a gift, who doesn't even realize they have it.

But the fact is that none of these gifts are supernatural at all they are very natural. They've just been harassed into passivity by a society that doesn't want to know anything that goes against Judeo-Christo-Islamic doctrine.

We are, every one of us, born with these gifts, given to us by nature/God/whatever your belief system. We, as a society, have chosen to ignore them or blow them off as as imagination or mental illness.

They are natural gifts, not supernatural. They are normal powers and should be nurtured, not destroyed or subverted to nothing.

[FalconAngel]

The gift of vision is a true and undeniable gift. And there are many types; Dreams, waking vision (clairvoyance), Audio vision (clairaudience), Visions involving taste and/or feeling as well. I, like most people who recognize it for what it is, have experienced the latter of those.

Soldiers call it "combat radar" or "soldier's sense", while most people just ignore it or "poo poo" it.

Most people don't believe in it because society (mostly Judeo-Christian) has told us that we cannot have these senses or the power to change the "inevitable"; but every child, until it is drilled out of them, knows the world of spirits and the "supernatural".

Has no one wondered why it is that some people, even though not really pet people always get positive reactions from even the most anti-social pets? I know that most people have a story about how this pet or that pet never seems to like strangers; except for your friend (whoever) that just seems to get their attention and is drawn to them.

That kind of thing is a clear example of how someone with a gift, who doesn't even realize they have it.

But the fact is that none of these gifts are supernatural at all they are very natural. They've just been harassed into passivity by a society that doesn't want to know anything that goes against Judeo-Christo-Islamic doctrine.

We are, every one of us, born with these gifts, given to us by nature/God/whatever your belief system. We, as a society, have chosen to ignore them or blow them off as as imagination or mental illness.

They are natural gifts, not supernatural. They are normal powers and should be nurtured, not destroyed or subverted to nothing.

[FalconAngel]

The gift of vision is a true and undeniable gift. And there are many types; Dreams, waking vision (clairvoyance), Audio vision (clairaudience), Visions involving taste and/or feeling as well. I, like most people who recognize it for what it is, have experienced the latter of those.

Soldiers call it "combat radar" or "soldier's sense", while most people just ignore it or "poo poo" it.

Most people don't believe in it because society (mostly Judeo-Christian) has told us that we cannot have these senses or the power to change the "inevitable"; but every child, until it is drilled out of them, knows the world of spirits and the "supernatural".

Has no one wondered why it is that some people, even though not really pet people always get positive reactions from even the most anti-social pets? I know that most people have a story about how this pet or that pet never seems to like strangers; except for your friend (whoever) that just seems to get their attention and is drawn to them.

That kind of thing is a clear example of how someone with a gift, who doesn't even realize they have it.

But the fact is that none of these gifts are supernatural at all they are very natural. They've just been harassed into passivity by a society that doesn't want to know anything that goes against Judeo-Christo-Islamic doctrine.

We are, every one of us, born with these gifts, given to us by nature/God/whatever your belief system. We, as a society, have chosen to ignore them or blow them off as as imagination or mental illness.

They are natural gifts, not supernatural. They are normal powers and should be nurtured, not destroyed or subverted to nothing.

[Summerlin1973]

I've always wondered about this. I have no special abilities whatsoever. But an example that goes through my mind is the tsunamis from 2004... All of the animals in the nearby area saught out high ground well before the waves hit... Somehow they sensed it. I've always thought that humans at some point must have had this ability or sixth sense as well, but for whatever reason learned to squelch it. Maybe for cultural reasons, or maybe just as a natural evolutionary process. I love this kind of chat though. Fascinating stuff.

[12voltman59]

I think that at times I have had such experiences--but they are rare.

The most profound took place back at the beginning of Gulf War I back in 1990.

I was living in Melbourne, Florida at the time and lived in an apartment complex along US 1 north of town and not far away from the strip of land that faces the ocean and in between the ocean side and the "mainland" is the Indian River.

This is the long chain of islands that about 50 miles or so north becomes Cape Canaveral and that is where the Kennedy Space Center is located.

Just a few miles north of me was Patrick Air Force base and Patrick was a major jumping off point for the military aircraft that took troops over to take part in the retaking of Kuwait. My roomate's dad was in the AF and he was a tech sargent or something of the sort in the AF. He said the planes staged there for the run overseas to make use of favorable tail winds.

Depending upon the weather conditions---my apartment complex was right on the final glide path of those transport jets--they were the Lockheed C141 Starlifters.

With those things coming right over the complex all the time--we were almost used to them. I was at a neigbor's unit one evening and we were cooking some dinner--his balcony faced north towards the field and just as if I were watching it take place--the plane I was watching at the time appeared to flip over and crash on its back---I had the sense of everyone dying on board the plane----well that did not happen--my neighbor nudged me and asked what was up? I said nothing and the plane I was watching went off in the distance to land at Patrick.

A few days later---I heard that one of those planes crashed on the way in to Ramstein AFB in Germany --as the plane was on final---for some reason--the plane turned over on its back and went right into the ground--killing most if not all of the troops aboard.

When I heard that report---my response was "holy shit--just like my little vision!"

I don't know if what I experienced was anything real--or my mind simply played out a terrible scenario for some reason which was certainly plausible considering it did happen later that was close to if not precisely what I saw in my mind's eye.

[Skater Boy]

although these days it takes more effort to tune out than it does to tune in...

Touché, mon ami, touché.

As someone else mentioned, one can can attribute such phenomena to any cause one wants- even mental illness. But, through one means or another, I've slowly come to have more faith in myself, and consequently my perspective on the world (or rather our society) has radically changed.

But lets be honest, virtually EVERY Bubba with (or without) a television has at least some idea of the "current affairs" going on right now, and the sharper ones will be able to draw conclusions about what the future holds.

After all, it would seem that things works in cycles, and what is coming around now will undoubtedly have gone around before in some way, shape or form.


I've said too much already.

IF everyone's motives are pure, then I see no reason why this forum wouldn't be a suitable place to have an OPEN and FRANK discussion of the facts and issues involved. But why do I get the impression that that's not gonna happen? :rolleyes:

[Bluebiyou]

The one thing I have noticed about these 'insights', is that they are usually absent of the 'Cassandra Effect'.
In other words, steps can usually be taken to avoid this 'insight' from occuring.
Cassandra had preknowledge of the future but was powerless to change it. Others simply did not believe her. Indeed, (in a broader definition of 'Cassandra Effect') it is sometimes due the effort to change/prevent it, that the event comes to be.

Some pilot training (very) quietly encourages 'listening' to this 'sense'. When that inner voice is squawking before a flight, reconsider and reexamine.
I use the same for riding my motorcycle. On the rare occasions the 'voice' squawks, I'll take another path, wait 5 minutes - that I hadn't planned on waiting, or simply use a safer 4 wheel vehicle. Do something different, that's the important thing. I must admit, my worst accident, I ignored the 'voice' squawking... Oh! I'll be fine! I'm only heading up to the store (about a mile)!
Oops!

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

I cant speak for anyone else Yall, but I have had the gift all of my life. It was inherited from my Mother and her Mother before her. Cherokee's believe that its a gift from the Creator, but sometimes it Is a curse....

All of my life I knew that I was "Different" than other kids, and saw/knew things that I Assumed others did too. I naturally thought Everybody could do what I did. I learned at an early age to not tell people about things. My Mom cautioned me on this as soon as she saw it manifesting. She told me, "Chootsa, (Babygirl) dont speak of the things you see, or your gift. There are people out there that wont understand this, and some that seek to use it and use it against you. Best to not left them see. Keep it inside, and only use it for good, and for your own protection. People fear what they dont understand" (Look what happened to Joan of Arc, fer God's sakes)

My signifigant other, calls it my "Spidy Sense". My Ex feared it alittle, until he saw that our oldest Son possessed it too..
Its saved my life numerous times, has given me glimpses and insight to many horrible and sad things, and gives me glimpses of "Deja Vu" all of the time in dream form.
For instance, something will happen and I will automatically think.."I've seen this/been here before". Guess this is the Spirits way of telling me I'm on track with my life precisely the way its meant to be..I dunno.
All I know is this: Its inheriant in all humans, but not all people belive in it, so it dies within Them. Either that or they dont know how to embrace it or develope it...:( Others fear it and think they are candidates for a Hug-Me tight jacket or a rubber room.....
Not all of us tell people about it for fear of ridicule or from those who only want to use a God given gift to exploit it for personal gain. This gift/curse doesnt make us freaks, it just means that we possess another 'sense/ability' from other folks. Or it could be that ours is stronger than "Normal" peoples are.
I dunno..all I know is I have it, and this is me.
Cat

[gfofbiguy]

I have it to a very little degree...but a good friend of mine seems to have it very strongly and has told me some things that had to do with myself that she had "dreamed" about and they had come to pass - good and bad. I do wish mine was a stronger sense...

[the mage]

It runs in families...
Its 1963...
My sister and I are both very ill so sleeping in the same room.
She has a horrible screaming nightmare waking me up. She had drempt Kennedy was shot....
It happened the next day.
I'll never forget the look on her face when I told her on the front step of the house..It was a look of horror, as though she was responsible...

It can intimidate itself right out of your life...

[vittoria]

I have experienced similar occurances. I used to hate being prone to premonitions and the like. Used to give me migraines. But I've accepted it for what it is, and have made some interesting friends who have more experience in the pagan community.

I use a nice mugwort tea to calm the brain and center my thoughts. I helps give clarity. Dragonsblood as an incense is also good.

[qchamp]

It is a strange gift to have. I do belive i have this gift in a small degree. Back in about 1989 or so, I saw what I could only describe as the county jail. I saw myself walking down a flight of stairs to get in line for meal time. Well in 1992, guess what, there I was walking down that flight of stairs to get my lunch tray. I stopped and thought, wow I saw this a long time ago.

The one that really scared me was in 1994. I was living in NYC. I worked in Queens for a florist, delivering flowers. One night I had a dream that a plane was either taking off or landing at La Guardia airport. Well there are alot of apartment buildings close to there. I saw myself driving on the highway, and the plane smashed right into the building. It was so real, it felt like I was really there. The heat from the explosion, the sound, everything. Now, I have to say NO, I did not see anything go into the WTC. This had nothing to do with that, but as we all know thats exactly what happened.

I dont have these visions too often ( thank god ). Seems that the ones I had were of not so good things.

So yes. People do have these and I do belive them when they say that they did. I just wish I could have seen a date or time, not just a small snipit of action. Things could/would have been different in my life I know.


Tim

[Bluebiyou]

Well.... sometimes, yeah complete information would be helpful. But think about it. If you knew every detail of 911 before hand; date, time, passengers, flight numbers, etc. Then you were to go to any public agency, or submit an anonymous document warning of impending disaster. You'd quickly be arrested and interrogated, probably tried and convicted, for collusion, treason, etc. Talk about 'Cassandra effect'.
Yeah if 911 hadn't happened, Saddam would still be in power, which would actually be a good thing... keeping "I'm-a-jihadin' " (Iran president) in check. USA would be selling Saddam tomahawk missles to take out Iran nukes. The arab world would be so busy fighting amongst themselves... yet I digress.
That could be another thread.
I agree with the consensus. Sometimes it makes so little sense as to 'why' we're shown little clips. Perhaps a signpost, perhaps a warning (for those that are avoidable). Perhaps there is no 'why'.
Perhaps there is a 'why'; the fact that some are clearly 'warnings' (danger, take another course!). Perhaps other clips help keep us ... having a reasonable degree of faith in these clips, so we'll pay attention at the warning clips.
What type of clips? My gf is strictly dreams. Her dead mother is a harbinger of death (3 appearances means death), yeah, she was a real bitch. Appearances of someone gf loves who has died means intercessory. That person (or lately pet) battles the 'bad happening'. Case in point most recently; gf had three dreams of her dead mother; this was a week ago. In the last one our recently dead pet ferret appeared. Hours later, her brother was in a -near- fatal accident. He was in a van that rolled and although a stern and avid seat belt wearer, did not have his on. He was thrown, the van rolled on top of him. Broken neck (but no parylysis) multiple broken ribs; you get the idea.
Mine are never dreams, always a waking (what otherwise might be ascribed as) 'random thought'. Sometimes it's just audio, sometimes just an image, sometimes just an impression, seldom audio and visual together. I can call it up sometimes. You know, close eyes (or stare and mesmerize myself) then both concentrate and relax, then try to 'see' - which I suppose is just opening the mind for impression. There's no telling what pops up. Mountaincat's description is closest to mine so far. But I've got some of that ornery Cherokee blood in my veins too!
Yawn.... well, I think I'll try to go back to sleep now. See y'all later.
I would like to hear of anyone with the gift who has experienced the Cassandra effect... in as far as tried to avoid an impression/warning by taking actual defensive steps but was unable to avoid.
Mountaincat, you?

[darkeyes]

At risk a bein flippant..hav indeed experienced the Cassandra effect... she wos 19 me wos 17.. she wos gorge an me wos jus lil an skinny... If Cass had nowt else it wos an uncanny ability 2 predict the end result of peeps relationships very early on an an almost faultless ability 2 predict er fitba' team wud beat mine.. but then that didn take much in them days..don take much now. Don put it down 2 owt mysterious eitha way... jus me team wos crappie an she wos an amazin reader of peeps personalities... but she wos brite fun an me jus sad she lives so far away..she aint..she dead happy.. she predicted she wud hav lotsa dosh an she married an Oz businessman from Melbourne an she is loaded!!!

Me best m8 is a quarter Romer an she has no foresight woteva.. tho she 2 has made 1 prediction me taken note of.. me screws me life up 1ce more an she will personally c 2 it me loses me legs!!:eek:

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Sometimes mine is so vague that it doesnt make sense, Blu. Sometimes its like watching a black and white movie, or a very overcast cloudy day. I rarely see them in color. (Maybe they're colorblind, I dunno)

A couple have Really stuck with me over the years. I remember have a Very odd dream about people looking for some little kids, and I saw a blue dumpster full of water, and I kept walking around it trying to see what was behind it...I could hear a child crying, but couldnt find one anywhere. It never made any sense when I woke up, but it bothered me immensely. When the news cast came on, I told my Ex that they'd find those little kids drowned somewhere, and that that woman was trying to keep from smiling when she told about her little kids being abducted..I just Knew she was lying thru her fukn teeth..
Then a few days later, it was discovered that Susan Smith drowned her two beautiful baby boys in a blue toyota in a pond.The car was full of trash of all kinds..May the bitch rot in hell! :(

And before coming up here to Washington state, I drempt of a big fast flowing river, and seeing a Teddybear dressed in a blur stripped shirt and over-all's floating past me...
When I got up here, a bunch of us were on a bridge looking down at the water, and the Deja Vu feeling happened. I told my girlfrienjd, "Oh shit! I've been here before!!" and started looking around all over. A lady screamed up stream. Her little girl had fallen in the water and was being taken down stream. But the baby was laughing, and the water was slow moving. Without thinking ,3 of us went into the water, (I lost a good pair of glasses because of that..lol)
We got to her and she wasnt frightened one bit. She was having fun.
We got her back to bank and Mommie was hysterical. Her name was Arianna and she was four years old..the baby, not the Mom..lol
Mom had a Teddybear tatooed on her left top breast with blue over alls on it.

The baby was fine, but I was a wreak..there was a waterfall a ways away from where she had fallen in at. Her Mom couldnt swim. If we hadnt been there, it could've been bad on that baby.
It made me afraid and it made me think. Had I been shown this becase I was Supposed to be here at this time, was that Why I was shown this many months before moving here?
My best friend Rich once asked me, "Had it ever occured to you that this is where your suppose to be at this time in your life? Maybe people Here need you right now"
Could be. Who knows.
The human mind is a grand Mystery, Loves. Just live and deal with it.
Cat

[Bluebiyou]

Cat, *sigh*
I love you, darlin'.
My life is punctuated... often by little 'telegrams from God' that I'm in the right place at the right time...
I find this is most enabled by ... only operating by what I believe in... giving much less power in my life to wealth and circumstance. And when it's time to move on... it's time to -by God- move on. But yeah, I get 'reassuranses' all the time... or clues to move on. Over the past 20 years there's been very few times I didn't feel I was in the 'right' place... even though I've moved several times. Yes, that's part of it... being in the right place at the right time.
Okay, I tend to put this in Judeo-Christian terms, because that is my faith. But I 'gave' my life to God a long time ago. He keeps giving it back to me LOL! I have to divorce myself from my material present and repeatedly 'give'... surrender... (no good word in our language that fits perfect) myself to him. In that aspect very similar to a true love affair. Geographically, I've gone this way and that, one time I took my two weeks vacation from work and drove 1400 miles or so... to western Kansas... and back simply because of a vision from a prayer. There were immediate 'wows' along the journey, bizarre stuff that fiction falls short of (the full tale is 5 pages, I won't repeat it here)... but overall meaning wasn't clear until 10 years later when my brother got married. I went to his wedding when I learned that his wife was from that tiny little town in Kansas.
Another time I was dating a 36 year old divorced girl. She wanted to have a boy more than anything in the world , but something was messed up with her 'stuff' (and had tried so hard/often to get pregnant that contraceptives... why bother?). We broke up for a long while, then got back together (she dated another guy in between). I was laying on her bed relaxing when it came to me that she was pregnant, that it was a boy, and that she would lose the child in three weeks over a Monday-Tuesday-Wednesday period. I couldn't tell her ALL of what I saw, lest the power of suggestion... So I just told her to brace herself emotionally, that something 'bad' was going to happen. She asked me more, because this stuff (foresight) had happened several times to me while we were dating... and all the stuff came to pass, so she had legitimate concerns. I reassured her, there was nothing that could be done to prevent this from happening, and by telling her might make it happen. She started getting pains in her abdomen and went into the doctor on Monday, she had a tubal pregnancy. She didn't tell me she was going to the doctor, so by Tuesday I was calling all the local hospitals, found her and went to her. The child/fetus was removed Tuesday and she was discharged Wednesday. I then had to tell her everything I saw... including that it was a boy... and this was so incredibly sad... because she said "I know, his name was....". She already had a name for him. But apparently her inability to get pregnant (maybe I didn't understand this right, but) because her fallopian tubes were 'misaligned'. The doctor straighted them out. She left to be with the guy she was dating before me (he got her pregnant), and he got transferred almost right away. They supposedly got married and I presume had children.
So there's no telling where this stuff leads me. When I feel sure of it, I go, or stay... as the case may be.
But so much of this stuff happens in my life, I've forgotten most of it. Heck, I've known I've had this gift for 35 years, now.
I don't see myself as being 'special'... or 'better than everyone else'; I certainly don't 'deserve' this gift by some virtue of mine. But I do know where this gift comes from and that when it comes, it's something sacred, I cannot pervert it or twist it to personal profit, or manipulation.
But yeah, the 'you're in the right place and right time' "telegrams from God" do happen all the time... except when I'm pursuing some bull-headed self-centered thing.
You know, it's so rare that I have real conversations about this stuff.