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[lovesex86]

I have the utmost respect for women! women are incredibly beautiful, incredibly curvacious, and have two holes to play with......Femininity is so amazing, that it has me wishing I had a pussy! My cock isnt that long, and if god is going to give me that kind of handicap, I almost wish he would have made me a woman!

[lovesex86]

I thought this was an open website....everyone respecting what the other said.......I may seem crazy to some people, but I am a real live person, and to get 9 views and no responses is pretty bad!

[lady_starlight]

9 views and no responses is not bad in the least.....there are boards with thousands of views and only a hundred replies. Besides you didn't really give anyone anything to reply TOO.

(but for the sake of staying on topic with the board...i love cats too;) )

[lovesex86]

didnt give anyone anything to reply to........I guess my words are as good as air.....there but invisible..........wtf

[sometimesitbethatway]

you did sort of just make a statement. There was no topic of discussion really to comment on.

For the sake of the thread title, I'll add that I too love pussy.

[BareHunter45]

Sure you have a right to say it and as Volaire said " I will defend to the death your right your right" to say it....welll the quopte started strong.

I just didn't identify with it...but I like my cock. I like pussy too, but I don't want to lose the "original equipment"...ruins the resale value.

[BareHunter45]

Sure you have a right to say it and as Volaire said " I will defend to the death your right your right" to say it....welll the quopte started strong.

I just didn't identify with it...but I like my cock. I like pussy too, but I don't want to lose the "original equipment"...ruins the resale value.

[gfofbiguy]

I love mine......;):bigrin:

[sometimesitbethatway]

don't want to lose the "original equipment"...ruins the resale value.

ha ha ha!

[bigregory]

It's funny that so many people I know in the gay comunity find a pussy to be gross.
Just the same im sure that some lesbians find the male penis gross.
Me I love a pussy LOVE..
As for trading my cock in for one no..
Im happy with what I was born with so I may not be the best peson to reply here.:male:

[sometimesitbethatway]

this makes me think of something I read the other day, but I never saw the skit...

"A bisexual is a person who reaches down the front of somebody's pants and is satisfied with whatever they find." -- Dana Carvey as the church lady on SNL

[bigregory]

this makes me think of something I read the other day, but I never saw the skit...

"A bisexual is a person who reaches down the front of somebody's pants and is satisfied with whatever they find." -- Dana Carvey as the church lady on SNL

So true:bipride::flag4:

[Eddie altamonte]

What the hell you want us to reply to that you wish you had a pussy instead of a penis? My thing is i want all the pussy i can get and a hell of a lot of penises as well

[Not2str8]

I wouldn't trade my cock for a pussy, but I'd sure as hell love to have both ! :bigrin:

[DiamondDog]

It's funny that so many people I know in the gay comunity find a pussy to be gross.
Just the same im sure that some lesbians find the male penis gross.
Me I love a pussy LOVE..
As for trading my cock in for one no..
Im happy with what I was born with so I may not be the best peson to reply here.:male:

How's that weird? Some het men and women find the bodies/genitals of the same gender to be gross, unless they're artists/photographers.

I have bi/gay friends who have been to campgrounds and didn't like how they saw naked obese butch lesbians there and found them to be gross.

There is no really valid gay "culture" or a gay/GLBT "community", any more than there is a straight one.

The concept of gay males has been so largely commercialized and people confuse this and think that it's a real culture and community, when it's just consumerism.

Sometimes I will find vaginas to be well, gross. Or a woman's body isn't a turn on at all to me. Other times vaginas and women's bodies interest me but not in an erotic way while at other times they're erotic.

I was telling a gay co-worker/friend today that if I'm having sex with a woman alone we'll do BDSM and I'm into giving her dominant oral sex; but I don't want to get head at all. But I'm not into fucking a vagina and I'd rather fist it, I prefer to masturbate a man's penis to a woman's vagina, and how I'd only want to fuck a woman with another guy there.

If I'm dating a man/multiple men I'm only focused on him/them.

I'm either pretty equal and I want both genders at the same time or else I'll be so into men that well, pussy becomes gross for me and just the thought of a naked woman kills my boner.

I have other bi male friends who are the same way.

[lookn0ver]

ohh what will we wish for tomorro!
perfection is like watching a sunset.
each one is perfect.
so, in a way if you really think about it with all of your might...
you already have long ago gotten:tongue: your wish.
and now you want to change it?
some people have nerve !

[thinkfree39]

Tongue in cheek remarks to follow. Please keep a smile on.


I have the utmost respect for women!
Uh huh. Sexist remarks coming up?

women are incredibly beautiful, incredibly curvacious, !

Yep.


and have two holes to play with!
That's so you can carry them home like a bowling ball.



......Femininity is so amazing, that it has me wishing I had a pussy! My cock isnt that long, and if god is going to give me that kind of handicap, I almost wish he would have made me a woman!

I just wish I had a bigger cock.

[csrakate]

How's that weird? Some het men and women find the bodies/genitals of the same gender to be gross, unless they're artists/photographers.

I have bi/gay friends who have been to campgrounds and didn't like how they saw naked obese butch lesbians there and found them to be gross.

There is no really valid gay "culture" or a gay/GLBT "community", any more than there is a straight one.

The concept of gay males has been so largely commercialized and people confuse this and think that it's a real culture and community, when it's just consumerism.

Sometimes I will find vaginas to be well, gross. Or a woman's body isn't a turn on at all to me. Other times vaginas and women's bodies interest me but not in an erotic way while at other times they're erotic.

I was telling a gay co-worker/friend today that if I'm having sex with a woman alone we'll do BDSM and I'm into giving her dominant oral sex; but I don't want to get head at all. But I'm not into fucking a vagina and I'd rather fist it, I prefer to masturbate a man's penis to a woman's vagina, and how I'd only want to fuck a woman with another guy there.

If I'm dating a man/multiple men I'm only focused on him/them.

I'm either pretty equal and I want both genders at the same time or else I'll be so into men that well, pussy becomes gross for me and just the thought of a naked woman kills my boner.

I have other bi male friends who are the same way.

Regardless of whether one wants to have a pussy, likes making love to a pussy, or prefers merely to objectify it by "fisting" it, being respectful of another's sexual parts is a simple courtesy and doesn't require much effort. I don't think it is necessary to regard them as "gross" just because they don't particularly appeal to you sexually. The human body is amazing, regardless of preference, and giving it respect is the least that we can do.

Hugs,
Kate

PS...I am well aware that woman do the same thing in regards to men, that some women also don't care for a pussy, so this isn't just aimed at men...this is for everyone. This is an Equal Opportunity plea for all of us to be respectful. LOL!

[ambi53mm]

Tongue in cheek remarks to follow. Please keep a smile on.

Uh huh. Sexist remarks coming up?

Yep.

That's so you can carry them home like a bowling ball.


I just wish I had a bigger cock.

Damn....lol a sense of humor can be such a turn on sometimes..Thanks!!:bigrin:...and I'm still smiling :) <---see

Ambi:)

[DiamondDog]

Regardless of whether one wants to have a pussy, likes making love to a pussy, or prefers merely to objectify it by "fisting" it, being respectful of another's sexual parts is a simple courtesy and doesn't require much effort. I don't think it is necessary to regard them as "gross" just because they don't particularly appeal to you sexually. The human body is amazing, regardless of preference, and giving it respect is the least that we can do.

Hugs,
Kate

PS...I am well aware that woman do the same thing in regards to men, that some women also don't care for a pussy, so this isn't just aimed at men...this is for everyone. This is an Equal Opportunity plea for all of us to be respectful. LOL!

How is fisting a woman's vagina or wanting to fist a woman, somehow objectifying her body, gender, or her vagina?

It's penetrative sex with a hand and not a penis/toy/mouth/finger.

If the sexes did not objectify the other, there would be no next generation.

I wish people would get off these moral high ground anti-sex tirades.

Get over it people, we're meant to have sex and enjoy it.:2cents:

[csrakate]

I am not on a moral high ground nor am I anti-sex....but to hear you speak of a woman's vagina as gross and then state that you only use it for fisting or BDSM is hardly showing respect for women as a gender. THAT is objectifying....plain and simple. But...as long as that is what you like and the women you are with don't mind....LIVE AND LET LIVE. I will hardly be the one to tell others what they should do in the bedroom.

Kate

[DiamondDog]

I am not on a moral high ground nor am I anti-sex....but to hear you speak of a woman's vagina as gross and then state that you only use it for fisting or BDSM is hardly showing respect for women as a gender. THAT is objectifying....plain and simple. But...as long as that is what you like and the women you are with don't mind....LIVE AND LET LIVE. I will hardly be the one to tell others what they should do in the bedroom.

Kate

Um, it's not like I have any control over when I'm not into women at all or when I'm equally attracted to men and women.

My bisexual male friends are the same way. My friend that's bi one week he would say how he thought he was gay and how he was haunted by all the sex he'd had with women (which wasn't all that much), and how pussy is nasty and disgusting with the folds and the fucking and how he'd much rather deal with a man's clean anus.

Then the next week when he was equal he'd say how he liked tasting women's vaginas and how he likes black women.

What I'm saying is that at times myself and my bi male friends can relate to how some gay men are totally turned off by women sexually, and women's genitals.

I even know a bisexual guy who is more into women and he finds the smell of vaginal fluid to be nasty.

Secondly how is doing BDSM with someone, or fisting someone, somehow not respecting them or their gender?

Tons of men on here say how they only like to suck a man's cock or get fucked by it or how they only want to be submissive with men, or have CBT done to their cock with men and nobody bats an eye or says how it's somehow "wrong" or that they're somehow "objectifying" men or not showing respect for men or the male gender.

[csrakate]

Tons of men on here say how they only like to suck a man's cock or get fucked by it or how they only want to be submissive with men, or have CBT done to their cock with men and nobody bats an eye or says how it's somehow "wrong" or that they're somehow "objectifying" men or not showing respect for men or the male gender.

Please...don't get me wrong...as I said in my original post, I want respect for all people...regardless of gender or preference...that's all I said.

Hugs,
Kate

[DiamondDog]

Please...don't get me wrong...as I said in my original post, I want respect for all people...regardless of gender or preference...that's all I said.

Hugs,
Kate

ok cool. :) :yinyang:

[BreeIsMe]

Wow
how did we get to this?
all from someone wondering why no one responded in a short time to their thread....

I personally tend to agree with kate (no offense Diamond). To me viewing femininity as "two holes to play with" no matter whether you "respect" women or not seems to ignore what women are. And "almost" wishing you were a woman because you somehow feel inadequate with a small penis and want to have a "vagina" instead and that a vagina makes you a woman in my world is far from the truth. There is a lot more that goes into being a "woman" . . . . and that saying this yo me was simply hard to respond to. I am not trying to be antagonistic to anyone but from my standpoint there are some "people" who are either not born without vaginas or have them removed due to cancer, etc. and these people are still "women" so my only comment is that a vagina doesn't make someone a "woman"


Bree

[Bluebiyou]

The closest I've cum to this feeling is usually when I'm making love with a woman I have deep feelings about.
It flashes involuntarily across my mind - probably has happened a dozen times or so in my life. That for just a little while I could trade bodies with her, to know what she is feeling, and how it feels to be her (making love to me). I think this has to do more with intimacy than sex but certainly sexual interest curiosity is there. As a subset of this entire feeling I wonder if the level of sexual feeling is the same ... or how different... for a man with a penis penetrating a woman I love, or for the woman I'm with, to have the 'original equipment' :) and be penetrated by a man she loves (me - my body). To make love with a woman I'm in love with is the most wonderful feeling I think I've felt in this life. I suppose I'm hoping that she feels the same extreme elation I do.

[BronzeBobby]

Diamond Dog,

I am thinking back on some of the racial debate we had on the Interracial Sex thread, and my sense is that your debate with Bree and Kate reflects a general philosophical difference about sex. Your thoughts on gender now make it easier for me to understand what you were saying about race.

I might be wrong, but here's what I perceive: You hold a person's sexual urges/instincts to be so fundamental to identity, that reactions to others can't be questioned as long as these reactions have to do with sex. In your view, if someone finds black people or vaginas physically gross, then that repulsion is an unchanging part of the person's essence -- part of what makes the person a special snowflake different from all the others -- so to question whether the repulsion comes from sexism or racism is, in your mindset, a sacrilege against human nature.

I think I am more similar to Bree and Kate, insofar as I think that what we find "beautiful" or "gross" is always the result of our social position and how we've lived our lives. If you find black people universally unattractive, for instance, I think that reflects something in the way you've grown up, which has given you a deeply embedded prejudice that comes out in this basic area of human experience (sexuality). The same goes for finding vaginas disgusting some or all of the time. It is one thing to be gay and want to have sex only with men, another thing to find the female anatomy disgusting. There's some misogyny somewhere in a person's psyche if that's the reaction to a vagina.

Obviously we cannot legislate sexual attraction; we cannot force someone to feel attracted to black people or women if that person does not feel the attraction. But I think it's fair to ask the person to question himself -- WHY do you have such a race-based or gender-based reaction? Why does all black skin or any vagina produce such a vigorous reaction in you? It's fair to ask the person to reflect on his or her own social prejudices, to see if this sexual repulsion points to deeper knee-jerk reactions. In an interview, will you react to a woman with a basic "distrust" or a deep-seated "anxiety" that will therefore lead you not to hire her? Will you react to a black applicant with a social "disinterest" or a feeling like you "can't connect with him" and therefore not hire him?

While I see your philosophy for its value -- we should let everyone be who they are, without judging their attractions -- at the same time, we all have to live in the same society, and if someone has a deeply held discomfort with a race or gender, then the person's actions do affect me, and I'd like to be able to intervene through discussion, without being accused of meanness or reverse discrimination.


Um, it's not like I have any control over when I'm not into women at all or when I'm equally attracted to men and women.

My bisexual male friends are the same way. My friend that's bi one week he would say how he thought he was gay and how he was haunted by all the sex he'd had with women (which wasn't all that much), and how pussy is nasty and disgusting with the folds and the fucking and how he'd much rather deal with a man's clean anus.

Then the next week when he was equal he'd say how he liked tasting women's vaginas and how he likes black women.

What I'm saying is that at times myself and my bi male friends can relate to how some gay men are totally turned off by women sexually, and women's genitals.

I even know a bisexual guy who is more into women and he finds the smell of vaginal fluid to be nasty.

Secondly how is doing BDSM with someone, or fisting someone, somehow not respecting them or their gender?

Tons of men on here say how they only like to suck a man's cock or get fucked by it or how they only want to be submissive with men, or have CBT done to their cock with men and nobody bats an eye or says how it's somehow "wrong" or that they're somehow "objectifying" men or not showing respect for men or the male gender.

[BreeIsMe]

I think BronzeBobby may have come up with an incredibly insightful analysis, but if it is true, then Diamond Dog is not likely to see it since in his view of the world these things are part of his very essence and something that you just don't question. Diamond Dog, I am not saying this in a mean way at all but in a pure analytical way. I don't think that BronzeBobby , Kate or I are trying to attack you, but just trying to understand you. At the same time we hope that you and everyone else can try and understand what we are saying......

[DiamondDog]

Diamond Dog,

I am thinking back on some of the racial debate we had on the Interracial Sex thread, and my sense is that your debate with Bree and Kate reflects a general philosophical difference about sex. Your thoughts on gender now make it easier for me to understand what you were saying about race.

I might be wrong, but here's what I perceive: You hold a person's sexual urges/instincts to be so fundamental to identity, that reactions to others can't be questioned as long as these reactions have to do with sex. In your view, if someone finds black people or vaginas physically gross, then that repulsion is an unchanging part of the person's essence -- part of what makes the person a special snowflake different from all the others -- so to question whether the repulsion comes from sexism or racism is, in your mindset, a sacrilege against human nature.

I think I am more similar to Bree and Kate, insofar as I think that what we find "beautiful" or "gross" is always the result of our social position and how we've lived our lives. If you find black people universally unattractive, for instance, I think that reflects something in the way you've grown up, which has given you a deeply embedded prejudice that comes out in this basic area of human experience (sexuality). The same goes for finding vaginas disgusting some or all of the time. It is one thing to be gay and want to have sex only with men, another thing to find the female anatomy disgusting. There's some misogyny somewhere in a person's psyche if that's the reaction to a vagina.

Obviously we cannot legislate sexual attraction; we cannot force someone to feel attracted to black people or women if that person does not feel the attraction. But I think it's fair to ask the person to question himself -- WHY do you have such a race-based or gender-based reaction? Why does all black skin or any vagina produce such a vigorous reaction in you? It's fair to ask the person to reflect on his or her own social prejudices, to see if this sexual repulsion points to deeper knee-jerk reactions. In an interview, will you react to a woman with a basic "distrust" or a deep-seated "anxiety" that will therefore lead you not to hire her? Will you react to a black applicant with a social "disinterest" or a feeling like you "can't connect with him" and therefore not hire him?

While I see your philosophy for its value -- we should let everyone be who they are, without judging their attractions -- at the same time, we all have to live in the same society, and if someone has a deeply held discomfort with a race or gender, then the person's actions do affect me, and I'd like to be able to intervene through discussion, without being accused of meanness or reverse discrimination.

Actually no I don't hold a person's sexual urges/instincts as being that fundamental to their identity. I do however think that people seem to use labels or hide behind them at times. No, I don't think that each and every person is a special snowflake.

No, not all black skin produces that reaction in me. I can tell if a black man or woman is handsome/beautiful but there's no sexual attraction there. Just because I'm not always sexually attracted to the female body and I can relate to how some homosexual men feel about it doesn't mean that I don't understand misogyny.

Even though I'm not always attracted, or not attracted at all to someone on a sexual level doesn't mean I can't relate to them as another human.

I'm not going to reply more to your post and deconstruct and debate all of the wrong assumptions that you've made about me since it's pointless.

[sometimesitbethatway]

The closest I've cum to this feeling is usually when I'm making love with a woman I have deep feelings about.
It flashes involuntarily across my mind - probably has happened a dozen times or so in my life. That for just a little while I could trade bodies with her, to know what she is feeling, and how it feels to be her (making love to me). I think this has to do more with intimacy than sex but certainly sexual interest curiosity is there. As a subset of this entire feeling I wonder if the level of sexual feeling is the same ... or how different... for a man with a penis penetrating a woman I love, or for the woman I'm with, to have the 'original equipment' :) and be penetrated by a man she loves (me - my body). To make love with a woman I'm in love with is the most wonderful feeling I think I've felt in this life. I suppose I'm hoping that she feels the same extreme elation I do.

that thought has crossed my mind before. I understand exactly what you are talking about.

[Bloodflower]

My cock isnt that long, and if god is going to give me that kind of handicap, I almost wish he would have made me a woman!

Perhaps I misunderstood your comment, but it offended me. I understand it to mean: "Since my cock isn't huge, why not be the NEXT BEST THING, a woman." Please correct my assumption if I am wrong.

[sometimesitbethatway]

Perhaps I misunderstood your comment, but it offended me. I understand it to mean: "Since my cock isn't huge, why not be the NEXT BEST THING, a woman." Please correct my assumption if I am wrong.

now that I re-read that, it does sound kind of offensive towards women...

[lovesex86]

now that I re-read that, it does sound kind of offensive towards women...




You all are wrong....I never eluded to offending women.....I think a womans body is a work of art, and by my saying that my cock isnt that big, that has nothing to do with women

[Skater Boy]

Perhaps I misunderstood your comment, but it offended me. I understand it to mean: "Since my cock isn't huge, why not be the NEXT BEST THING, a woman." Please correct my assumption if I am wrong.

You didn't just misinterpret his words, you totally edited them. If I understood him correctly, what he said was that he feels "masculinity-challenged" in regard to his genitals. And that consequently he might feel more at home in a feminine position. I admit that this view may seem a little simplistic to some, but I didn't get the impression that he was belittling womankind as a sex.

:2cents:

[Bluebiyou]

All men are pigs.
All women are leaches.

Let's see, that leaves Trans and hermaphrodites as the moral leaders of the world (by mere default).

What say, Marie, transcendMental? Will you save the world for us?
:)

Yeah, I gathered from this and previous posts that lovesex86's reference to disappointment in penis size refers to his non fulfillment as a man and thusly additional thesis indication of the fact he feels he 'should have been a girl'. I agree with Marie that lovesex86 should talk about this a bit more (especially with Marie). But lovesex86 has only indicated respect to women that I can see by the very fact he sees women as 'fulfilled'; or being a woman as fulfillment.

[sometimesitbethatway]

You didn't just misinterpret his words, you totally edited them. If I understood him correctly, what he said was that he feels "masculinity-challenged" in regard to his genitals. And that consequently he might feel more at home in a feminine position. I admit that this view may seem a little simplistic to some, but I didn't get the impression that he was belittling womankind as a sex.

:2cents:

it just sounds like he is equating being a woman with having a handicap. but it's all in how you interpret it... I just think he should have used a different choice of words

[malcolm4572]

I've had pussy envy all my life. Not that I would give up my cock, but it does define my bisexual activities. When I have sex with a man, I find my erogenous zones shift, and I love being screwed like a girl. I'd look silly dressed as one, but put a hard cock in my bed and it feels like I've got tits and a pussy, and I hardly notice my cock. I have no idea what a woman's orgasm feels like, but I have had something like an orgasm when a man just fucks me, and I love the feeling I get from my "pussy". I'd love to know what it really feels like, but I'll take what I've been given to work with.

[Bloodflower]

it just sounds like he is equating being a woman with having a handicap. but it's all in how you interpret it... I just think he should have used a different choice of words

Agreed. His words were a bit vague. Perhaps my perception was as well, so I'll take part of the "blame," as it were, in the misunderstanding of the original comment.

BTW, being a woman is AWESOME! Sure, some parts of it aren't great (menstruation, for one!), but overall, I'm glad I'm a woman. :female:

[transcendMental]

All men are pigs.
All women are leaches.

Let's see, that leaves Trans and hermaphrodites as the moral leaders of the world (by mere default).

What say, Marie, transcendMental? Will you save the world for us?
:)

Yeah, I gathered from this and previous posts that lovesex86's reference to disappointment in penis size refers to his non fulfillment as a man and thusly additional thesis indication of the fact he feels he 'should have been a girl'. I agree with Marie that lovesex86 should talk about this a bit more (especially with Marie). But lovesex86 has only indicated respect to women that I can see by the very fact he sees women as 'fulfilled'; or being a woman as fulfillment.

Oh, ok, I guess I have some time. Sure, I'll save the world for you. Of course, people who try to do that have an odd habit of ending up dead.

I will echo again the sentiment that lovesex86, malcolm, and several others here might do well to talk with Marie, myself, or others here, to get some perspectives on the whole transgender thing. Even if you don't consider yourself trans, it can help to talk with someone who has processed the whole gender thing to death in their own life. (And hey, we're fun and good people!)

tm

[Bopit4Ever]

I like the cock - but I LUVS da pussy!:bigrin:

[lovesex86]

it just sounds like he is equating being a woman with having a handicap. but it's all in how you interpret it... I just think he should have used a different choice of words

That is your opinion...who are you to interpret what I mean....you don't know me and you definately dont know how I feel......you make it sound like I actually told you that I want to "downgrade women". Women are more beautiful than most guys give them credit for, and for you to ass...ume that I am downgrading women makes you an ass!

[sometimesitbethatway]

That is your opinion...who are you to interpret what I mean....you don't know me and you definately dont know how I feel......you make it sound like I actually told you that I want to "downgrade women". Women are more beautiful than most guys give them credit for, and for you to ass...ume that I am downgrading women makes you an ass!

Dude, I didn't say any of that garbage. You spoke for yourself. "If God is going to give me this handicap, he should have just made me a woman" that's a very sexist remark and while I understand what you were saying, you need to start running an actual thought process before you type something out and hit submit. Yeah I am an ass because I ASSUME you are "downgrading" women. Well maybe you are the ass for ASSUMING I didn't understand what you were saying. Besides, I wasn't the first one to bring that up, why didn't you jump BloodFlower's shit? Because you know she'd put you in your damn place. Did you overlook where I said "it's all in how you interpret it"... no, clearly you didn't since you even quoted me. Why am I even wasting my time replying to this crap?

[Skater Boy]

Dude, I didn't say any of that garbage. You spoke for yourself. "If God is going to give me this handicap, he should have just made me a woman" that's a very sexist remark and while I understand what you were saying, you need to start running an actual thought process before you type something out and hit submit. Yeah I am an ass because I ASSUME you are "downgrading" women. Well maybe you are the ass for ASSUMING I didn't understand what you were saying. Besides, I wasn't the first one to bring that up, why didn't you jump BloodFlower's shit? Because you know she'd put you in your damn place. Did you overlook where I said "it's all in how you interpret it"... no, clearly you didn't since you even quoted me. Why am I even wasting my time replying to this crap?

Chill dudes. I think its just a case of poor choice of words by the OP. Now that I think about it, the word "handicap" wasn't ideal, as it might impy that womankind is inferior in some way. This could be amplified by the word "just". But, lets not forget that not everyone is blessed with good verbal skills. So I think everyone needs to take extra care to word things as they really intend them, and also make allowances for some degree of variation in meaning within the words in other people's posts.

[sometimesitbethatway]

I completely understand. Which is why I said it's all in how you interpret what people say. I wasn't the one who started the attacking.

but it's cool.

[diB4u]

BTW, being a woman is AWESOME! Sure, some parts of it aren't great (menstruation, for one!), but overall, I'm glad I'm a woman. :female:



LOL. Not for me- I can not think of one thing that being a woman has achieved for me. :(

[Skater Boy]

I can not think of one thing that being a woman has achieved for me. :(

Hmm... well, you DO get to be able to play with TITS any time you like, 24/7 and thats not to be sneezed at. OK, if you were 100% straight you wouldn't like playing with tits, but you're not... so play on! :bigrin:

[diB4u]

Hmm... well, you DO get to be able to play with TITS any time you like, 24/7 and thats not to be sneezed at. OK, if you were 100% straight you wouldn't like playing with tits, but you're not... so play on! :bigrin:



Hahahahaha

No i like playing with other womens and stuff, but not my own ugh. God no i love women, but personally me being a woman god has messed up lol.

[Skater Boy]

Well, here's one plus... as a woman, you get to be bisexual (and proud of it) and no-one gives a damn. In fact, its a good thing.

Unfortunately, its not quite the same for men.

There. Something to be thankful for! :cool:

[diB4u]

Well, here's one plus... as a woman, you get to be bisexual (and proud of it) and no-one gives a damn. In fact, its a good thing.

Unfortunately, its not quite the same for men.

There. Something to be thankful for! :cool:



Hmm nope. Still dont work.

But thanks for trying lol....

[MarieDelta]

Lack of "manhood" does not lead one to "womanhood", IMO.

I think, like sexuality, gender can be fluid. there may be times when you feel more womanly, and there may be times when you fel more manly.

If the ballance of what you feel is more one way than another , then it might be a good idea to explore those gender issues, IMO. Especially if they aren't concurrent with your designated birth gender.

Old joke in the trans community-

"Q: Whats the difference between a crossdresser and a transexual?"

"A: Two years."

The sad part of this joke is that it's true so often. I suppose if you are brave enough to say that you are a crossdresser, or like to crossdress a significant portion of your time, then the ballance of your fellings may lie opposite your birth gender. Which may or may not indicate Gender identity disorder or Gender Dysphoria.

I know that this is a rambling post, but what I really want to get acrossed is that no one can determine your gender for you, you have to do that. There are very masculine men without penises and very feminine women with penises.

Just my :2cents: from the wild side. Hope it helps someone out there.

[transcendMental]

Hmm... well, you DO get to be able to play with TITS any time you like, 24/7 and thats not to be sneezed at. OK, if you were 100% straight you wouldn't like playing with tits, but you're not... so play on! :bigrin:

Skater Boy, this is like suggesting that gays or bisexual men can satisfy their homosexual urges simply through masturbation (hey, you can play with a penis any time you want, right, so why come out of the closet?).

Fact is, try though you might, there is no up-side to feeling that you were born in the wrong body.

And whereas I am completely agreed with Marie that lack of manhood does not equate to womanhood, and that what determines gender is what you feel on balance, not what you feel at a given moment, I feel that the joke she raises perpetuates a simplified view of transsexualism. Unlike many transsexuals, I was aware of being transsexual long, long before I ever cross-dressed, and I still cross-dress only when I am feeling particularly dysphoric.

Cross-dressing and transsexualism have little to do with one another: cross-dressing can be a means of coping with transsexualism, but the vast majority of cross-dressers do not do it for this reason (the vast majority of cross-dressers are straight and non-gender-conflicted). Finally, unlike the joke's implication, becoming a transsexual is NOT one of the dangers or inevitabilities associated with cross-dressing. If your gender identity is solidly male, you will not suddenly or even gradually identify as female simply by dressing as a woman.

[Skater Boy]

Skater Boy, this is like suggesting that gays or bisexual men can satisfy their homosexual urges simply through masturbation (hey, you can play with a penis any time you want, right, so why come out of the closet?).

Point taken. I was just messing about and trying to make Donna feel better. Although, that said, I HAVE heard that some gay men do get off a lot on masturbation, and partly because of the fact that they happen to to have the very same sex organ that they crave. BUT, obviously masturbation is no substitute for the real thing (and boy, don't I know it! ;) :bigrin:). In fact, according to Jung, masturbation (when used as a substitute for having to face human interaction) can actually be harmful.


Fact is, try though you might, there is no up-side to feeling that you were born in the wrong body.

Well, not being transgendered (per se), I cannot comment on the accuracy of this statement. I'll leave that to MD or someone who is more enlightened than myself.

As for my own position on this topic, I consider myself similar to Azrael in some ways, although I'm not really into cross-dressing.

[MarieDelta]

And whereas I am completely agreed with Marie that lack of manhood does not equate to womanhood, and that what determines gender is what you feel on balance, not what you feel at a given moment, I feel that the joke she raises perpetuates a simplified view of transsexualism. Unlike many transsexuals, I was aware of being transsexual long, long before I ever cross-dressed, and I still cross-dress only when I am feeling particularly dysphoric.

Cross-dressing and transsexualism have little to do with one another: cross-dressing can be a means of coping with transsexualism, but the vast majority of cross-dressers do not do it for this reason (the vast majority of cross-dressers are straight and non-gender-conflicted). Finally, unlike the joke's implication, becoming a transsexual is NOT one of the dangers or inevitabilities associated with cross-dressing. If your gender identity is solidly male, you will not suddenly or even gradually identify as female simply by dressing as a woman.

Yes, some women do come to their identitiy without first being crossdressers. However many crossdressing "heterosexual" men are hiding something. Tri Ess( The Society of the Second Self) genreally bills itself as a soroity for these so- called heterosexual men. In fact they require you to sign an agreement that you will not transition and affirming the fact that you are heterosexual.

Many of the members of tri-ess transition eventualy(in the high 70%'s) and their have been several reports of some very non-heterosexual activities, after the meetings.

However, many crossdressers find out later in life that they are transexuals leaving, as I did , a wife with a very broken heart. This too happens way more often than not.

No, I'm not saying that there is a casual relationsip between crossdressing and transexualism (you can't "get" transexualism from crossdressing.) But many late in life transexuals first come out to thier spouses as crossdressers, and then later admit their feelings run deeper than crossdressing can account for.


just my :2cents:

[transcendMental]

Certainly, most transsexuals have a history of cross-dressing, and many cross-dressers are transsexuals who haven't yet identified this fact.

The operative thing, though, is that there are many more crossdressers than there are transsexuals, and people cross-dress for lots of reasons. I believe the figure I ran across was that 98% of (male) cross-dressers are straight and have no (identified) gender issues. This does not clash with the fact that the vast majority of transsexuals cross-dress. There are just a lot fewer of us.

Your figure of 70% transsexuals among members of an organization who assert at time of joining that they are heterosexual and do not intend to transition is certainly interesting, but I would have to give it more thought before forming any conclusions. I looked at their site, and can believe that they attract a certain kind of cross-dresser (people who cross-dress for certain reasons) that might well be more likely to be a closet-transsexual than the general cross-dressing population.

I certainly respect your 2-cents :), but my 2-cents is to note how cross-dressers are eager to brand transsexuals as some extreme form of cross-dressing, while transsexuals are eager to brand cross-dressers as repressed transsexuals. It strikes me as too similar to the assertion I hear frequently that underneath, we're all really bisexual (funny how only bisexuals think this) and the assertion I hear from many heterosexuals that underneath we're all really heterosexual. It all smacks to me of trying to justify your own orientation, when that orientation doesn't particularly require justification.

Personally, I have a hard time believing in a spectrum of cross-dressing with transsexuals on one end. It seems more likely to me that there are a bunch of discrete reasons why people cross-dress, and that we all like to lump ourselves together, because it helps us to believe that others are like us and doing things for the reasons that we're doing them, even if they don't realize it.

[diB4u]

Well...

You both do have valid points...

I see it on the same scale... on end cross dressing, the other end full time gender resignments.


For me cross dressing would mean that I'd be a fux man. Which is good enough for me at this particular junction of the road.


Ladies your both beautiful and i love your bodies.:bigrin:

[lovesex86]

Dude, I didn't say any of that garbage. You spoke for yourself. "If God is going to give me this handicap, he should have just made me a woman" that's a very sexist remark and while I understand what you were saying, you need to start running an actual thought process before you type something out and hit submit. Yeah I am an ass because I ASSUME you are "downgrading" women. Well maybe you are the ass for ASSUMING I didn't understand what you were saying. Besides, I wasn't the first one to bring that up, why didn't you jump BloodFlower's shit? Because you know she'd put you in your damn place. Did you overlook where I said "it's all in how you interpret it"... no, clearly you didn't since you even quoted me. Why am I even wasting my time replying to this crap?

fuck you.......women have no cock, and having a small cock, puts a guy as close to being a woman as possible....you are interpreting my words the way you want to and your not seeing what I am saying!

[sometimesitbethatway]

fuck you.......women have no cock, and having a small cock, puts a guy as close to being a woman as possible....you are interpreting my words the way you want to and your not seeing what I am saying!

I UNDERSTOOD AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
If you are going to have a small dick, you would at least want a vagina instead, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that. All I was saying is that maybe you should watch how you word things. Geez is it that serious? If it really is maybe you have more issues in your life than a small dick.

[Bloodflower]

I UNDERSTOOD AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
If you are going to have a small dick, you would at least want a vagina instead, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that. All I was saying is that maybe you should watch how you word things. Geez is it that serious? If it really is maybe you have more issues in your life than a small dick.

See, that's exactly how I interpreted the original comment. It looks like I had it right in the beginning.

[MarieDelta]

Ever stop to consider women who have a shallow depth to their vagina, may not enjoy sex as much?

The size of the penis, doesnt matter(IMO) its the brain attached that makes the most difference. The nerve endings are all there in the penis no matter what the size.


If you want to be bigger, just get a strap-on dildo, thats what a woman would do!


Its not about the size!

I had a lover once who wasn't all that gifted in size, but she (transwoman) was a most excellent lover. I enjoyed many good times with her, and she was very gifted in other ways. I still miss her touch.

So concentrate on your oral technique, get a strap-on, pretend you are a lesbian and use your fingers.

If you dont have a gender issue, its best not to try to cross the gender divide. Its not something you do casually.

[DiamondDog]

fuck you.......women have no cock, and having a small cock, puts a guy as close to being a woman as possible....you are interpreting my words the way you want to and your not seeing what I am saying!

Just because you have a "small" or a "micro" penis it doesn't mean that you're a transwoman and having a "small" or "micro" penis doesn't mean that a guy is a transsexual woman or even transgendered.

[Doggie_Wood]

Wow
how did we get to this?
all from someone wondering why no one responded in a short time to their thread....
......... There is a lot more that goes into being a "woman" . . . . and that saying this yo me was simply hard to respond to. I am not trying to be antagonistic to anyone but from my standpoint there are some "people" who are either not born without vaginas or have them removed due to cancer, etc. and these people are still "women" so my only comment is that a vagina doesn't make someone a "woman"

Bree

Oh so true your words Bree. A similar analogy is;
just because you have hand tools, doesn't mean your a mechanic.

There is so much more into being a woman than having titts or a pussy (or both). Feelings, emotions, the ideas and ideals, and not to overlook the essense of a woman. And even with part of or even all of the aforementioned traits, which are by no means conclusive or restrictive, where lays one more quest. That, to be a lady. Proper or not. :2cents:

:doggie:

[lovesex86]

Dude, I didn't say any of that garbage. You spoke for yourself. "If God is going to give me this handicap, he should have just made me a woman" that's a very sexist remark and while I understand what you were saying, you need to start running an actual thought process before you type something out and hit submit. Yeah I am an ass because I ASSUME you are "downgrading" women. Well maybe you are the ass for ASSUMING I didn't understand what you were saying. Besides, I wasn't the first one to bring that up, why didn't you jump BloodFlower's shit? Because you know she'd put you in your damn place. Did you overlook where I said "it's all in how you interpret it"... no, clearly you didn't since you even quoted me. Why am I even wasting my time replying to this crap?

Dick for brains....I am not down grading women.....having a small cock is like having no cock at all....think about it moron......If god is not going to give me sufficient equipment, then why give me equipment at all, which translates into me wishing I was a woman......

[Skater Boy]

Another FMP? What, are you guys multiplying?

LOL, I had to Google "FMP". It took me a while to sift through the likes of "Foodservice Management Professional"; "Federal Music Project" and "Full Moon Party". But I eventually settled on "Fuck Me Please" as the most likely meaning for the acronym. Well, its polite, if nothing else... one has to wonder whether, in the throws of passion, it becomes abbreviated even further to just "FM" or perhaps extended to "FMRN"

ANYWHO, whats this thread about again? Y'know it SNOWED overnight here in London... I know, in MARCH! None of it settled though. Wind's picking up.

Well, back to my Blake Edwards movie...

[sometimesitbethatway]

I am so through with this thread and even trying to explain anything to him on any intellectual level. It's clear he's very confused and all he can do is call me names and keep repeating himself without backing up anything he is saying...

btw I love how you quoted the exact same reply I left twice and simply replied to it two different ways. CREATIVE! ;)

[augnovice]

Sometimes being thankful for what you have is great. I might be a woman, but having a pussy comes with a lot of responsibility. For one, our monthly cycle. I'm sure there are guys out there who wouldn't be able to handle it. Then think about giving birth and stretching it outta shape. Oy vey! For another, trying to stay clean all day. I mean come on, every day I need to wipe off from all of the dirty thoughts that I have. Most guys I know, just cum once and that's it and just one clean up. I guess with women you can keep cumming and cumming all night long, but it does get exhausting lol. All I can say is just be thankful for what you have.

[diB4u]

Sometimes being thankful for what you have is great. I might be a woman, but having a pussy comes with a lot of responsibility. For one, our monthly cycle. I'm sure there are guys out there who wouldn't be able to handle it. Then think about giving birth and stretching it outta shape. Oy vey! For another, trying to stay clean all day. I mean come on, every day I need to wipe off from all of the dirty thoughts that I have. Most guys I know, just cum once and that's it and just one clean up. I guess with women you can keep cumming and cumming all night long, but it does get exhausting lol. All I can say is just be thankful for what you have.



ER..... Ooook


Well thats asuming that all women can give birth. IMO the female vagina is well a delicate tool.

Cleaning down there- men and women alike needs to make sure that they're fresh and clean, and if any leakages happen, go and get it treated lol.

Pussies are well hmm an organ.... To be honest not my favourite organ at that.

Boobs hell yeah, i love boobs.

Down there- not so keen on lol.


Theres some women who can't handle the horrible things called a period. For some women they go thru hell and back each cycle, or every other cycle- or whatever the case may be.


LOL I am soo not thankful for what I have... Sadly I can't send it back and Ebay wont allow me to sell it lol....

[Doggie_Wood]

fuck you... (aimed at sometimes)........your not seeing what I am saying!


Dick for brains.... (again aimed at sometimes).....having a small cock is like having no cock at all (in your personnal oppinion)....think about it moron...(once again aimed at...) ....If god is not going to give me sufficient equipment, then why give me equipment at all, which translates into me wishing I was a woman......

Dood!! chill out man! You are the one who started the name calling. If you can't hold yer temper and bite yer tongue and stop hurling derogatory insults at peeps on the site, then maybe you should go somewher else (only a suggestion).

Every single insult you have hurled at someone at this site has been logged.
And logs add up. Please (and I am politely asking <at this point>) read what you type and don't hit the submit button in anger. Please don't become a troll.

:2cents:
:doggie:

[lovesex86]

Just because you have a "small" or a "micro" penis it doesn't mean that you're a transwoman and having a "small" or "micro" penis doesn't mean that a guy is a transsexual woman or even transgendered.

diamond dick...you are out of the conversation.....Nothing of what you say has any validity to anything...get lost

[lovesex86]

I am so through with this thread and even trying to explain anything to him on any intellectual level. It's clear he's very confused and all he can do is call me names and keep repeating himself without backing up anything he is saying...

btw I love how you quoted the exact same reply I left twice and simply replied to it two different ways. CREATIVE! ;)

You consider yourself intellectual..I consider you opinionated! No confussion here, just dumbfounded how you can be such a dumbass....take something that I feel very strong about and turn it into something for everyone to mock..you are the confused stupid ass

[DiamondDog]

to lovesex86: Please don't become a troll.

I think it's a bit too late for that.

[DiamondDog]

diamond dick...you are out of the conversation.....Nothing of what you say has any validity to anything...get lost

http://www.neatorama.com/img/404-cat.jpg

Have a nice day!

[Skater Boy]

http://www.neatorama.com/img/404-cat.jpg

Have a nice day!

Ah, "lolcats". Time for a gratuitous monkey shot, me thinks!

http://content.pyzam.com/funnypics/animals/wtf-monkey.jpg

[DiamondDog]

Ah, "lolcats". Time for a gratuitous monkey shot, me thinks!

http://content.pyzam.com/funnypics/animals/wtf-monkey.jpg

It's pussy.

http://www.thecheezburgerfactory.com//completestore/128374878103638750whadyoumeanz.jpg

[sometimesitbethatway]

I have an opinion...