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Bloodflower
Mar 2, 2008, 12:16 AM
Love a man, love a woman, either way they distrust you. What is it about bisexual women that lesbians hate so much?

By Jennifer Baumgardner

From The Advocate February 26, 2008

After Look Both Ways, my rah-rah book about having a love life with men and women, was published last year, I was pummeled by dating rejection from folks I had never met (and probably never would), as in these choice words responding to a review: "I offer a warning to anyone who finds himself or herself the object of Ms. Baumgardner's attentions: She appears to be incapable of sustaining any relationship," and "I don't presume to know whether Baumgardner is bi or gay, but based on this review of her book I wouldn't date her." One person just came right out and said, "Steer clear of bisexuals." The prevailing biphobia was almost charming in its retro-ness, prompting me to wonder, Is it 1980? I mean, really, do people, especially gay women, still think it's OK to hate bisexuals?

"Yes," said my ex Anastasia at the time. "Next question."

I laughed, because I thought she was kidding—or at least commiserating about the "steer clear" advice, given that lesbians and bisexual women fall in love all of the time. But in fact, Anastasia was speaking as someone who also distrusts women who look both ways. "I've been with bisexual women in the past who don't seem to be truly into girls, who needed to be drunk to have sex," Anastasia explained. "And the constant rejection wore me down."

Other women are suspicious of anyone who would identify herself that way. "I live in the South," says Lisa Johnson, a professor at work on a book about being a psycho girlfriend, "where you will not get any dates with women if you say you are bi." Johnson considers it a big-time red flag when a woman on Match.com describes herself as bisexual or bi-curious, similar to how I react when people list Gravity's Rainbow as their favorite book or express interest in tantric sex. "I don't want to spend time on people who have not developed a queer sensibility yet," says Johnson, whose town of Spartanburg, S.C., is so conservative that gay people go to meetings of Parents, Families, and Friends of Lesbians and Gays because they are so desperate for community.

Both Anastasia's and Lisa's comments strike me as hard on the sexually inexperienced bisexual person, who, while annoying, has to start somewhere. (I too did the old drunken-hookup-with-women thing back in the day. Which might be why Anastasia is so frustrated by bisexuals.) Their words also strike me as interesting since both have been involved with men at least as much as with women; Anastasia, for instance, lives with her boyfriend, with whom she has a child. Self-flagellation, anyone? "It's true," says Anastasia, "my main issue with inconstant bisexual women is I fear I am one." Anastasia's trajectory seems to feed into the belief proffered by some lesbians that since partnering with men still trumps doing so with women in terms of social approbation and even household income, why would you count on a woman who could have a man? Isn't it just setting oneself up to feel like some straight guy's sloppy seconds?

Well, first of all, most bisexual women are partnered with women, according to Amy André, an expert on bisexual women's health. Second, such a justification for hating bisexuals relies on increasingly outdated notions of men being more able to "take care of" a woman financially. These days I doubt that many women—of any orientation—choose a mate based on earning power, and most people nowadays, regardless of gender, expect to take care of a partner as much as they are cared for. I grant that same-sex partnerships are often stigmatized while opposite-sex couplings are generally viewed as normative. However, it is one thing to acknowledge that it is difficult on a personal level to compete with the social approbation male-female couples still receive, and it's quite another to actively contribute to the disparagement of an entire social group.

There's evidence that bisexual women are suffering—in quantifiable terms that will be of interest to anyone who cares about human rights. André, who is herself bisexual and has a master's degree in sexuality studies from San Francisco State University, reports that bi women experience more oppression and stigma than women of any other sexual orientation. She cowrote the book Bisexual Health—published in March 2007 by a coalition of organizations including the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Policy Institute—which analyzed more than 100 studies that, taken together, demonstrate "that bisexual people have worse physical and mental health than people of any other orientation," says André. "There is a lot of evidence that bisexual women in relationships with monosexual partners have notably higher rates of domestic violence than women in any other demographic," says André, who is in a relationship with a nonhostile, phobia-free monosexual woman. "If it were not a reflection of biphobia," André concludes, "there'd be no statistical difference between the safety in relationships of bi women and women of other sexualities."

http://www.advocate.com/issue_story_ektid51686.asp

shameless agitator
Mar 2, 2008, 1:44 PM
Great post blood. Thanks

diB4u
Mar 2, 2008, 2:10 PM
Ah but thats only some women surly?

But now dont anyone get there feathers ruffled, I guess, that if your a gay woman then you at least would want a gay woman because you know its a kick in the teeth if the girlfriend etc, leaves a woman for a man.

Isn't that the same though for straight men who has a bisexual woman?

I must stress that NOT all men or women will act like this. I dunno.

I've never had a relationship with a woman sooo i cant tell ya.

Interesting post though.

:bigrin:

flirtchewieflirt
Mar 2, 2008, 10:14 PM
My wife left me for a woman when she suddenly discoved she liked women after so many years. I hardly think it made a difference that it was a woman rather then a man. It's the behaviour, not the gender. No reason to be paranoid simply based on someone's preferences! Just my opinion!

12voltman59
Mar 3, 2008, 4:05 AM
It is crazy this notion that bisexual people are going to leave you if you are gay more readily-----straight people get left by their straight partners every second of every day just like gay or lesbian people get left by their gay or lesbian partners---

People have some really fucked up ideas about such things---

If your partner is going to leave you for the next best thing that comes along---irrespective of your sexual orientation or their's---they were an unreliable partner and if you keep having people dump you--maybe you had better look at your decision making process when selecting those unreliable partners.

DiamondDog
Mar 3, 2008, 7:39 AM
I'm confused about a person mentioned in the article.


"I've been with bisexual women in the past who don't seem to be truly into girls, who needed to be drunk to have sex," Anastasia explained. "And the constant rejection wore me down."

Anastasia, for instance, lives with her boyfriend, with whom she has a child.

It's true," says Anastasia, "my main issue with inconstant bisexual women is I fear I am one." Anastasia's trajectory seems to feed into the belief proffered by some lesbians that since partnering with men still trumps doing so with women in terms of social approbation and even household income, why would you count on a woman who could have a man? Isn't it just setting oneself up to feel like some straight guy's sloppy seconds?

So Anastasia considers herself hetero yet somehow has sexual attraction and has sex with women who hopefully aren't drunk and she dated the author of the book/essay, Jennifer Baumgardner?

Or does she consider herself to be lesbian and yet somehow has a boyfriend who she lives with and has sex with?

Either way Anastasia did what she accused the author/bisexual women doing, she broke up with Jennifer and then went for a man/BF and had a kid with him.

Bloodflower
Mar 3, 2008, 9:03 AM
But now dont anyone get there feathers ruffled, I guess, that if your a gay woman then you at least would want a gay woman because you know its a kick in the teeth if the girlfriend etc, leaves a woman for a man.

Isn't that the same though for straight men who has a bisexual woman?


I'm married to a straight man & although I enjoy the company of women, I will not cheat on him & after 6 yrs together, I haven't run off w/ a woman either. I think that bisexual people can cool their heels & be happy with just one gender once a commitment has been made. I think it has more to do w/ maturity than anything else.

Diamonddog...I think Anastasia is bisexual & was commenting about her experiencing dating lesbians, not the author of the article. I believe the author is bisexual.

:tongue:

Bluebiyou
Mar 3, 2008, 9:36 AM
I thnk this is just a subset of a general human condition.
Love is a temporary state. Sometimes that 'temporary' is decades, sometimes just years, months or even days.
People in general want the flexibility of temporary love for themselves (when I want to leave), but hope/expect permanancy for others (hurt from another leaving whilst we're in love). Who among us has not fallen in love and the other person fell out of love/left relationship first?
What's the resultant? Catagorization. All men are pigs. All women are leeches. Bisexuals can't be trusted. All gays are connieving. All straights are self centered sociopaths. All Scots are tarts ( :) @ Darkeyes).
Basically trying to establish rules in the realm of love, where there are none (no rules of this sort anyway).
Some cannot bear the pain and shut out love forever - establishing such tight guidelines that no sane and healthy person would approach and persue such a restricted love.
Others jump right back into the clouds and swim, ready for the next meteor.
I've learned there are few and odd rules concerning love:
You have absolutely no choice in who or what you fall in love with, it either happens or it doesn't.
There are two parts to love; love the feeling, based on need; and love the verb/action.
Then some more nebulous rules:
It a'int over 'till it's over.
When it's over, it's over.