Bring back Blackout ! Lift the ban

[GreenEyedLady(GEL)]

The very thing that keeps us from being perfect is that we are human. Which leaves us plenty of room for mistakes. Even if we are wrong to others , we can still be right. Now anyone who knows Blackout knows he's pretty opinionated, but he is our friend. We need to support our friend now. Maybe the ban will be lifted.

Gel

[MarieDelta]

I couldn't agree more.

Blackout, while opinionated is certainly no troll. He is a good guy, and I gotta say that I really like him . So ... Lift the ban!!

[12voltman59]

I agree--he is certainly not like some that we have on here who most likely should be banned---

I vote for his membership to be reinstated.

[TaylorMade]

Blackout's behavior was a one-off from a usually opinionated person who respects the rules 99% of the time.

A warning can be understood. Maybe even a 2 day suspension, but an outright ban is like going after a fly with a sledge hammer.

*Taylor*

[ready484u]

Blackout is an ass he needs to be gone.He dosent care about anyone else so why should care about him?

[DiamondDog]

I disagree he's a troll and is into stalking, flaming, and harassment of people here and has done this a lot here.

[qchamp]

There seems to be alot of this going on lately. I say bring him back. If you ban him, you should also ban firemandonn. People have told him things in private conversations and then he runs back into the chat room and tells everyone. He is the real ass of this board. Tells everyone how they should be, what they should say. If you dont agree with him you are a trouble maker. So whatever blackout did, bring him back. I thinking he wont do it again.

qchamp
Tim

[naughty'BI'chick]

blackout can be a nice, caring guy.

I say BRING HIM BACK!

its not fair for him to get banned while others dont,
others that should be.

blackout needs to be brought back!

[TaylorMade]

I disagree he's a troll and is into stalking, flaming, and harassment of people here and has done this a lot here.

More than the person who did that to you, though?

I mean...after going through the thread again. . .I do agree that blackout can be MORE than tough to handle sometimes, but there are people who have done worse that are still here.

I admit I'm moving my opinion to. . .not sure.

*Taylor*

[Skater Boy]

Well, tbh, I couldn't quite understand why he claimed that Hitler WASN'T racist. I suppose Hitler focused more on religion than race, but if what I've heard is true, then he was still a racist.

Often when people get banned here, its only temporary (eg. Mage, Sarasvati, etc). So I suspect that he's just been given a few weeks/months to cool off. Which might be a good thing.

I hope he'll chill out a bit in the mean time, and then be back one day.

[lashalane]

In all honesty.. I dont understand why he was banned, but mods and admins have the right to do as they want and really...What does it matter? Maybe there are other reasons that he is gone that we do not know about.

I'm sure I am only a hare's hair from being booted too, but these things happen...let us not mourn the loss.. let us remember the good times people! :bigrin:

[mech_chick21]

bring blackout back. there is no real reason to ban him. he is a nice guy put in a terrible position. let him back

[chulainn2]

I have never seen this ' troll ' side of blackout. He has always been friendly to me and I think he is ok. I am sure there are some here that think I should be banned also. But such is life, you can't make all people like you.
My vote is to release the ban and let blackout come out and play again.
I hope I dont get banned for saying this but, this site does have it's share of pissy people who really should find a life.
On the whole, I like most of the people here. The perv lurkers creep me, but outside of them, it's a nice community.
And I disagree with the earlier smack on firemandonn, like blackout, donn has always been nice to me.

[jem_is_bi]

I doubt that I would like to know him. But, I am in favor of tolerance for all but the most brutish, inconsiderate behavior.
However, like penalties in any sport, the referee is the judge and if you push the limits you risk a penalty. So, he received a penalty and does not have a valid reason to complain. When, the ban ends, if he comes back, he should have a better appreciation of expected behavior on this site.


JEM

[bigirl_inwv]

Blackout is a great guy. He's pissed some people off, sure, but there are many others who do the same thing as well. He's far from being a troll. And if we want to get into flaming, the DD, the mage, and many others should be banned as well. I think there really need to be some standards to banning here. A while back I had a guy sending me messages wanting to cyber, etc. After being turned down, he sent me messages saying that he knew where I lived and was going to come to my house and kill me. I sent those messages to Drew, and nothing was done about it.

So someone can threaten another's life and be fine, but someone like blackout gets banned for a reason that most of us can't figure out???? Excuse my language, but what kind of shit is that?? This site has gone to shit the past couple of months and I'm very sad to see it in the state that its in. But blackout has done nothing but state his opinions. The majority of the reason I enjoy coming here is to discuss things with others, listen to other peoples opinions...you start taking that away...and pretty soon I'll be gone as well.

And btw...it takes two people to engage in a flame war. :2cents:

[Falke]

Well, tbh, I couldn't quite understand why he claimed that Hitler WASN'T racist. I suppose Hitler focused more on religion than race, but if what I've heard is true, then he was still a racist.

*Shrug* Only if you count National Socialism as a religion... Then again, alot of the Ayran race superiority crap was promoted by Himmler. Either way, it all happened under Hitler's watch.

[csrakate]

Blackout is a great guy. He's pissed some people off, sure, but there are many others who do the same thing as well. He's far from being a troll. And if we want to get into flaming, the DD, the mage, and many others should be banned as well. I think there really need to be some standards to banning here. A while back I had a guy sending me messages wanting to cyber, etc. After being turned down, he sent me messages saying that he knew where I lived and was going to come to my house and kill me. I sent those messages to Drew, and nothing was done about it.

So someone can threaten another's life and be fine, but someone like blackout gets banned for a reason that most of us can't figure out???? Excuse my language, but what kind of shit is that?? This site has gone to shit the past couple of months and I'm very sad to see it in the state that its in. But blackout has done nothing but state his opinions. The majority of the reason I enjoy coming here is to discuss things with others, listen to other peoples opinions...you start taking that away...and pretty soon I'll be gone as well.

And btw...it takes two people to engage in a flame war. :2cents:

I'm with you, bigirl....why can people out and out threaten and remain active then we have a situation like Blackout's? I would try and accept this if I could understand it. I think most who know me know that I have been assaulted more than once by a certain chatter, yet he remains onsite. Most recently he even launched an attack at me in the forum....unprovoked and certainly not even remotely connected to the subject at hand, yet he remains. And during this most recent attack, it was Blackout who came to my defense many, many times!

So yeah..maybe he can be a bit rough around the edges...but most of the time he is a very caring person....I think the choice to ban him was a hasty one and one that should be reconsidered. Please...in the interest of fairness....reconsider banning Blackout.

Hugs,
Kate

[Dagni]

Personaly, i had good and bad moments with Blacky, and we were very close to each other, we understood each other very well. I think that was on emotional level too. But sudenly he changed a lot and become very jelaous. At least that is my point of view. And it was really annoying when he brings out our private stuffs in main chat room.
I really don't know why he is banned, what was the reasons, but Blacky is NOT bad person in general and people have to realise that. Beign banned is punishment for whatever reason.
There are and were some people on this site who made stupid things and no one reported them, no one banned them.

I want to see my Dutch back.

[gb11vt18]

I agree with the feeling of this Thread Blackout is someone who sometimes can say stuff that you may not agree with, but to ban someone is very harsh and unless Blackout did something so terrible, but most of my chats with Blackout he has always been a good and kind person. I would like to see Blackout reinstated as a member of the site again.

[Kikki]

I totally agree with Kate & bigirl, black has always been great to chat with. He livens up the room and makes it fun. Besides, everyone is entitled to their opinion, we are all adults here, so lets respect each others opinions. In my opinion there should be a few others who don't belong here. I vote to bring Black back.That's my:2cents: worth.

[DiamondDog]

Blackout is a great guy. He's pissed some people off, sure, but there are many others who do the same thing as well. He's far from being a troll. And if we want to get into flaming, the DD, the mage, and many others should be banned as well. I think there really need to be some standards to banning here. A while back I had a guy sending me messages wanting to cyber, etc. After being turned down, he sent me messages saying that he knew where I lived and was going to come to my house and kill me. I sent those messages to Drew, and nothing was done about it.

So someone can threaten another's life and be fine, but someone like blackout gets banned for a reason that most of us can't figure out???? Excuse my language, but what kind of shit is that?? This site has gone to shit the past couple of months and I'm very sad to see it in the state that its in. But blackout has done nothing but state his opinions. The majority of the reason I enjoy coming here is to discuss things with others, listen to other peoples opinions...you start taking that away...and pretty soon I'll be gone as well.

And btw...it takes two people to engage in a flame war. :2cents:

BiGirl/Laken-I don't flame anyone.

If someone isn't civil to me or if they stalk/flame me in every reply that I make, and freely admit it, or they become a catty immature spoiled brat and flip out and start trolling/flaming me and others if I/we simply write something they don't agree with and do this every single time, they'll get a taste of their own medicine, and I'm not going to be civil or nice in my reply to them.

Blackout flamed/trolled/stalked me, Lasha, and other people on here so it's no surprise that he's banned. As far as the chatroom drama goes I'm not sure if people really care about it.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

I dont know the whole story on Blackout, or what happened, but I do know that he is a great person and didnt deserve being banned! I have encountered more obnoxious people on here than he is thought to be, and have many a time had to tell horny kids to take an airborne fornication, but They arent banned. Nor is the same obnixious little twit that comes into chat professing to be an adult and starting trouble and distension.
I feel we need to contact Drew or the Powers that Be and possibly form a petion to have Blackie reinstated.
What do ya say, Ya'll?
Cat:
bibounce:

[bigirl_inwv]

BiGirl/Laken-I don't flame anyone.

If someone isn't civil to me or if they stalk/flame me in every reply that I make, and freely admit it, or they become a catty immature spoiled brat and flip out and start trolling/flaming me and others if I/we simply write something they don't agree with and do this every single time, they'll get a taste of their own medicine, and I'm not going to be civil or nice in my reply to them.

Blackout flamed/trolled/stalked me, Lasha, and other people on here so it's no surprise that he's banned. As far as the chatroom drama goes I'm not sure if people really care about it.


Either way, regardless of whether it was in reply or if it was the first time...you still flame people. And I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. I'm of the opinion that if I don't like what I'm reading...I stop reading it. It's very rare that you will see me involved in an argument with anyone, whether it be in chat or on the forum. I'm simply saying that if Blackout is banned for flaming...then many others on this site should be as well. Yours was just one of the first names to come to mind.

And nothing I wrote about was chatroom drama. The threats I received all came through private message to my inbox. Those messages were sent to Drew and nothing was done about it. I just think there needs to be some standards to banning. I simply can't fathom how ANYTHING blackout did could possibly be worse then someone telling me they were going to KILL me.

[Gruffy In KC]

I agree with the majority of the posts here...Blackout should not have been banned. Now, granted, I am kind of a part time member here, but a long time one at that. I have never had any issues with Blackie, nor have I seen anything come from him that warrants any form of a ban. Sure, arguments happen. That is the nature of a chat room. Opinions are voiced, discussed (sometimes heatedly) and everyone logs off and goes to sleep. No big deal.

There have been comments concerning others who have threatened peoples physical well being in the chat. Now THAT would be worthy of a ban, yet the names being listed are still active? Hmmm. Priorities askew?

Let him back in.

[lashalane]

I have a question.. What the hell is a flame anyway? I'm starting to get confused. Is it an Insult or is it a difference in opinion? Is it a heated discussion? If so then yeah we throw flames all the time. Sometimes it is just fun and it shouldn't be taken so seriously people. I have NEVER seen anyone intentionally go out of their way to demean or degrade and embarrass another member on this board including Diamond Dog.

I'll say it again though.. notice how none of the mods or admins are commenting on the subject? Everyone is speculating that he did NOTHING wrong enough to get himself banned. Maybe he did and they dont feel the need to publically humiliate him by telling us all what he did. It's none of our business.

I'm sure if he really missed the place he would re-register with another nickname.. maybe he just doesnt give a fuck! Being here or not being here isnt the end all be all. Let's get a grip people.

[TaylorMade]

There aren't really any mods... just Drew and sometimes tradeqt.

*Taylor*

[jem_is_bi]

I have a question.. What the hell is a flame anyway? I'm starting to get confused. Is it an Insult or is it a difference in opinion? Is it a heated discussion? If so then yeah we throw flames all the time. Sometimes it is just fun and it shouldn't be taken so seriously people. I have NEVER seen anyone intentionally go out of their way to demean or degrade and embarrass another member on this board including Diamond Dog.

I'll say it again though.. notice how none of the mods or admins are commenting on the subject? Everyone is speculating that he did NOTHING wrong enough to get himself banned. Maybe he did and they dont feel the need to publically humiliate him by telling us all what he did. It's none of our business.

I'm sure if he really missed the place he would re-register with another nickname.. maybe he just doesnt give a fuck! Being here or not being here isnt the end all be all. Let's get a grip people.


I agree.
There is probably more about the ban that is not known.
Also, well-timed punishment for crude behavior allows Drew to let the pot of heated debate boil, but not boil over.
At the present time I do not have the energy needed for the rewards of chat. So, I do not know his chat room behavior. But, abrasiveness characterized his forum behavior. However, I doubt that is why he was banned.

JEM

[bigirl_inwv]

I'm sure if he really missed the place he would re-register with another nickname.. maybe he just doesnt give a fuck! Being here or not being here isnt the end all be all. Let's get a grip people.


He's not going to do that because he feels like he was wrongly banned and that he shouldn't have to. Trust me, it's not because he doesn't miss it here.

[lashalane]

Ok.. if he isnt willing to fight for himself, then why should we? Let him send emails to Drew and any other mod an ask them to take him back. This thread isnt going to bring him back.

Seriously...if you want him back sign a petition or something. This may sound harsh, but with as many people that are registered here, if people really gave a shit, there would be more than 2 or 3 pages worth of replies.

[bisexualinsocal]

I'm away for a day and I miss all the drama? Shame! Damn shame!

[GreenEyedLady(GEL)]

Ok.. if he isnt willing to fight for himself, then why should we? Let him send emails to Drew and any other mod an ask them to take him back. This thread isnt going to bring him back.

Seriously...if you want him back sign a petition or something. This may sound harsh, but with as many people that are registered here, if people really gave a shit, there would be more than 2 or 3 pages worth of replies.

FYI he has emailed Drew. What is this if we are not petitioning ? I agree there are many on this sight, but not everyone know's Blackout so why would they bother ? The ones that give a shit, like myself, are voicing how we feel. The thread could work, and its worth a try. Its something.

[Dagni]

Now i wonder, does Blacky wants to come back after all what happend here.
It's fucking inslulting for Blacky himself, so no matter was the reason why he mention those things about Hitler or whatever, i get some impression that on this site differences on certain subjects is not welcomed at all.

When Blacky showed up on this site, I felt very confortable, I felt much more relaxed as someone who was from this side of Atlantic and his presence in chatroom helped me so much to feel much more relaxed (no matter about our personal conflicts after that).

[Skater Boy]

lol, perhaps Drew happens to be Jewish, or something? That might explain it.

But seriously, I suspect that Blackout's ban is only temporary anyway. look what happened to Mage and Sarasvati... and, sure enough, they were back within a few weeks.

The fact of the matter is that site admin rarely respond to threads like this. I don't know why, but thats just how they've decided to do things.

In an ideal world there would be some means of communicating directly with site admin and providing feedback. But that doesn't seem likely to happen...

[MarieDelta]

FYI he has emailed Drew. What is this if we are not petitioning ? I agree there are many on this sight, but not everyone know's Blackout so why would they bother ? The ones that give a shit, like myself, are voicing how we feel. The thread could work, and its worth a try. Its something.

Talked to Blackout this morning. He hasn't been told of the reason for the ban. Knowing Blackout, he wouldn't lie about it.

I hope that this works, I hate to think that this place is as arbitrary as it seems at the moment.

I love it here, and while I wouldn't swear to leave a place like this , it would leave a bad taste in my mouth. I would always be looking ovewr my shoulder wondering when it was my turn to get banned.

Of course this place isn't the end all be all on the internet, it is very nice though , and it is one of a few places for bi's to congregate where we aren't being charged for the priveledge.The people here are friendly and cool, the atmosphere is welcoming for the most part and the interface is relatively simple / easily accessed.


I just wonder what it was that Blackout stands accused of, and how soon before I cross the wrong person and end up banned.

[AveaJene]

Here's my vote to lift the ban and let Blackout back, With an appoligy as well. Blackout has always been super nice to me, and makes me feel comfortable. He's like a very cute older brother that has defended me against jerks or overly pushy peeps in here.

I admit that he's opinionated, but as far as I've been able to tell his opnions are right. And he calls people on their crap, even me. Nothing wrong with that in my book.

AveaJene

*sniffle* I miss Blackout, he makes the room much brighter.

[shortandsassy]

I do not know what the heck happened on line but I consider myself a friend to blackout and despite what may or may not have been said it's real simple people: HIT THE IGNORE BUTTON. I agree many things are said by the uncuth but blackout is not one of them, and for those that want to start confrontation with him or others should take their attitude elsewhere. It's a huge world people, learn to get along or walk away. Reinstate him cause he is an asset to the site.

[DiamondDog]

I have a question.. What the hell is a flame anyway? I'm starting to get confused. Is it an Insult or is it a difference in opinion? Is it a heated discussion? If so then yeah we throw flames all the time. Sometimes it is just fun and it shouldn't be taken so seriously people. I have NEVER seen anyone intentionally go out of their way to demean or degrade and embarrass another member on this board including Diamond Dog.

I'll say it again though.. notice how none of the mods or admins are commenting on the subject? Everyone is speculating that he did NOTHING wrong enough to get himself banned. Maybe he did and they dont feel the need to publically humiliate him by telling us all what he did. It's none of our business.

I'm sure if he really missed the place he would re-register with another nickname.. maybe he just doesnt give a fuck! Being here or not being here isnt the end all be all. Let's get a grip people.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/banned

Only the owners of the site know why blackout was banned and they have their reasons that they're not saying here.

It's not like some huge violation of human rights has happened, since someone just got banned from a website forum and chatroom.

[lashalane]

:bowdown: DD that was the funniest thing I have seen in a loooong time!:bowdown:

[diB4u]

I've been reading all the replies and posts in this thread.

I've no idea why he was banned. I couldn't tell you- maybe he said something to someone in a message. As I dont really know him i couldn't say.

I do go along with Skater- maybe its a temporary ban...

See what happens.

[Dagni]

Actualy, it's NOTHING!
There were no any real reason to ban Blackout, i spoke to him and even he have no idea why that shit happend here.

He done NOTHING what other members have already DONE in much vulgar, primitive way.

Blackout did NOT insult anyone, and no matter what he said or done, it was harmless to comparing what other fucking morons on this site has done and how HUGE they level of insult is.

For that reason i want to see him back, to see him here, and this is protest.
There is no excusion for his ban, even if it comes from Drew himself.

Ik wil te z.o. mijn Nederlandse rug. De man die vuist in uw arogant gezichten en hij was had darmen om het te doen. En ik verzoek hem steunen hier te laten. Maak jou niet zorgenliefde, ben ik met jou!

[darkeyes]

Cant ban Blackie..me won stand for it!!! HTF me gonna take the piddle outa the poor baby wen we knock 'is lot outa World Cup??? :tong: No Drew ....aint on babes!!!!:(

[Azrael]

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/banned

Only the owners of the site know why blackout was banned and they have their reasons that they're not saying here.

It's not like some huge violation of human rights has happened, since someone just got banned from a website forum and chatroom.

Besides, noone really gets banned here, at least it would seem.
There's still plenty of ppl here that are crazier than shit-house rats. People who are unstable, openly hostile and just plain stupid.

From what I gathered this person was rather incendiary, but let's not pretend like this is some huge moral issue. I'm sure u can find him elsewhere.

Ain't life grand? :rolleyes:

[DiamondDog]

Besides, noone really gets banned here, at least it would seem.
There's still plenty of ppl here that are crazier than shit-house rats. People who are unstable, openly hostile and just plain stupid.

From what I gathered this person was rather incendiary, but let's not pretend like this is some huge moral issue. I'm sure u can find him elsewhere.

Ain't life grand? :rolleyes:

Az-QFT (quoted for truth).

So what if he doesn't get unbanned? Or Drew ignores him and this thread?

Are all of the people who support him going to leave this site in protest or something?

If any of the people in this thread got banned, would everyone actually give a shit or write a few pages on here about it? Would anyone actually care?

It's just a website people. Life goes on! Somebody got banned and it was the website owner's decision to do this for whatever reason, and they're being silent about it.

Judging by the replies in this thread you'd think that some vile violation of human rights has happened. :rolleyes:

Somebody just got banned that's all. There's more important things to get angry about in this world than if someone got perma banned/temporarily banned from a website.

[bigirl_inwv]

Az-QFT (quoted for truth).

So what if he doesn't get unbanned? Or Drew ignores him and this thread?

Are all of the people who support him going to leave this site in protest or something?

If any of the people in this thread got banned, would everyone actually give a shit or write a few pages on here about it? Would anyone actually care?

It's just a website people. Life goes on! Somebody got banned and it was the website owner's decision to do this for whatever reason, and they're being silent about it.



Well excuse the hell out of us for caring! If it's so stupid and you don't care then move along and don't post in this thread. This is for those of us who DO care.

I know that I, for one, consider the people here family. And I also know that there are other people who feel the same way. For some of us, there is nobody else we can turn to when we feel the need to be ourselves. When we can't go to anyone else for fear of discrimination based solely upon our sexual orientation. So excuse the hell out of me when I feel the need to stand up for someone whom I consider very close to my heart.

And yes. I'd do the same for many many many other members here. And yes. I have definitely considered leaving over this. So don't post like you know what you're talking about. You're only one person. You cannot speak for all of us. You and Blackout had your differences and I realize this. But that doesn't change the fact that many of us looked at him as a very close friend and loved him dearly.

[lashalane]

Ah hell.. Send in the violins people.. I'm starting to tear up over here!:disgust:

[TaylorMade]

Ah hell.. Send in the violins people.. I'm starting to tear up over here!:disgust:

http://jonahprobell.com/smlvln.jpg

World's smallest Violin, Ma'am?

:tong:
(I'm really sorry. . .it just seemed like a good time for it.)


*Taylor*

[DiamondDog]

Well excuse the hell out of us for caring! If it's so stupid and you don't care then move along and don't post in this thread. This is for those of us who DO care.

I know that I, for one, consider the people here family. And I also know that there are other people who feel the same way. For some of us, there is nobody else we can turn to when we feel the need to be ourselves. When we can't go to anyone else for fear of discrimination based solely upon our sexual orientation. So excuse the hell out of me when I feel the need to stand up for someone whom I consider very close to my heart.

And yes. I'd do the same for many many many other members here. And yes. I have definitely considered leaving over this. So don't post like you know what you're talking about. You're only one person. You cannot speak for all of us. You and Blackout had your differences and I realize this. But that doesn't change the fact that many of us looked at him as a very close friend and loved him dearly.

Are you blackout's lawyer or something?

I'd be A LOT more concerned about that crazy local guy that PM'd you and said he knows you than I would with the fact that some random guy who's a stranger on the internet got banned temporarily from a website's forum and chat.

Do whatever you want. I'm just saying that it's really silly that people are overreacting to this when it's really not that important at all in the long run or the big picture of things.

Are people actually going to someday look back and think "OMG remember when that dutch guy blackout got banned from bisexual.com in late Feb of 2008? What a HUGE violation of human rights and free speech that was! I lost sleep over it for days, had to go on xanax, and I cried nightly for weeks!!!!1" </sarcasm>

One person just got banned from a website forum/chatroom, that's all. Nobody rallied around other people who are/were banned/temp banned here.

If people actually got this worked up over human rights, GLBT rights, bisexual rights, and bisexual visibility perhaps we'd be more mainstream/more visible than we are now and things like Dr. Bailey's study wouldn't have happened, so many bisexuals wouldn't feel the need to stay closeted/feel ashamed about themselves for no reason at all, there would be more bi/gay/mixed crowd clubs/bars, and we'd stop being stereotyped as sad confused people who don't know what they want in life/relationships and when it comes to sex/romance.

People are in contact with him outside of the site, and it's easy to do this on any forum/website, it's up to both people to maintain contact outside of the place where they meet.

Yes there are other sites for GLBT people and for bisexuals that are free. They've been linked and thrown around this site a lot.

Some of them are predominantly gay or lesbian but who cares?

How is it somehow bad or a horrible thing that they're predominantly gay/lesbian or a mixed crowd site?

Despite what people here think and the undertones of homophobia that get posted here here say, not all gay/lesbian people are bad, they're not all biphobic, and they don't all hate us/refuse to date us, or think that we're really confused homosexuals who haven't come out yet, they think that bisexuality is a real sexual orientation, and they aren't against bisexual rights.

I do agree with my bi/gay male friends when they wonder why they should feel bad for other GLBT people who have low self esteem about their gender/sexuality, who don't have the courage to come out, or other issues that only the person who has the issue can solve/personally bring about positive personal change about, and they're issues that other people can't solve or make better for them since the change about them come from within the person who the issues are a part of.

Also like Jem, Skaterboy, and Azrael have said this place is VERY lax when it comes to bans and nobody really gets banned permanently as long as they follow the basic rules, blackout was incendiary, and for whatever reason(s) he was banned only the owner of the site knows.

[bisexualinsocal]

Bisexuality is an orientation? I always considered it a hobby. Sorta like hanging drywall or building a brick fence that keeps out all the undesirables. Way to rain on my parade, friend. :bigrin:

[DiamondDog]

Bisexuality is an orientation? I always considered it a hobby. Sorta like hanging drywall or building a brick fence that keeps out all the undesirables. Way to rain on my parade, friend. :bigrin:

Do you also love to write arguments against environmentalists, global warming, and the Gaia hypothesis?

What else besides the theory of global warming do you dislike when it comes to environmentalists?

How do you feel about peak oil theory?

Or evolution how do you feel about that?

How about green house gasses or emissions from SUVs?

What about how in certain CA cities they've banned smoking tobacco inside your own home/residence?

How do you feel about Paganism/Wicca? Do you feel that they are valid religions or just a bunch of hogwash?

[GreenEyedLady(GEL)]

Diamond Dog ---- Why do you even bother posting to this thread ? You obviously don't like the guy and Im thinking its pretty mutual. You talk about Blackout trolling , who's exactly doing the trolling now ? You are sir. Infact between you and Lasha Lane Im not sure who is more insenstive. So you dont care if he comes or goes, we do. Will we remember the him in 2009 , I will , he called me an unforgiving uptight bitch once. I'l never forget it, because at least he had the balls to say hey, chill out. Will I remember you if you get banned ? Yes, I will, but in a much different way :eek:

[Dagni]

Diamond Dog - GET A LIFE!
You talking about some universal justice, but This thread is about one great person on this site, so this is not time or place to talk objectivly about other things at all.
Stick to the subject!
What's the matter....Blackout is banned but life goes on? Forget it.
Blackout wants to come back on this site, and i don't see any reason to spread this thread on some other subjects.

If it goes like this i will also be banned........some other ppl as well......is that fair?

[MarieDelta]

Well excuse the hell out of us for caring! If it's so stupid and you don't care then move along and don't post in this thread. This is for those of us who DO care.

I know that I, for one, consider the people here family. And I also know that there are other people who feel the same way. For some of us, there is nobody else we can turn to when we feel the need to be ourselves. When we can't go to anyone else for fear of discrimination based solely upon our sexual orientation. So excuse the hell out of me when I feel the need to stand up for someone whom I consider very close to my heart.

And yes. I'd do the same for many many many other members here. And yes. I have definitely considered leaving over this. So don't post like you know what you're talking about. You're only one person. You cannot speak for all of us. You and Blackout had your differences and I realize this. But that doesn't change the fact that many of us looked at him as a very close friend and loved him dearly.

Amen! Laken, Amen

Diamond Dog, are you jealous that so many folks have gone to bat for Blackout? I wonder who would go to bat for you?

Just sayin'

[Skater Boy]

Diamond Dog, are you jealous that so many folks have gone to bat for Blackout? I wonder who would go to bat for you?

Ouch! Easy, girl... play nice!

Well, this Blackout dude certainly seems to be popular, if nothing else. has anyone heard anything from site admin themselves? surely SOMEBODY must know whats going on, or at very least, WHY he was banned? If not Drew, then what about one of the others... "Tradeqt" for example?

[bigirl_inwv]

Ah hell.. Send in the violins people.. I'm starting to tear up over here!:disgust:

I'm not going to write what I'd like to write here. I'm simply going to say that may be the most insensitive post I've ever read here.



And DD...no. I'm not Blackouts lawyer. I'm just a girl who feels very strongly for him and hates to see him go. And don't think I don't have contact with him outside of this site, because I do. Thats simply not the point. The fact of the matter is, Blackout obviously has lots of support. And I think there are more people that want to see him back on this site than there are people who want him to stay gone. And I'll post in this thread a thousand times if thats what it takes. And as far as concern about the threats I received...do you think I wasn't concerned about that?? It seems to me the owner of this website was the one with less concern for my life then I was. I chose not to bring it to the attention of other members because thats the kind of person I am. It was simply about me and I had no reason to get anyone else involved in it.

Let me just apologize once more for caring. Sometimes its nice to have a friend who will step up to bat for you when you can't. I'd hate to think if it was YOUR friend, you wouldn't be the same way. Because in THE BIG PICTURE, all we have is each other. Not a single one of us is going to change the world. Might as well do what we can for the ones we can.

Now...if you'll excuse me...I have violin practice to attend.

[csrakate]

Ah hell.. Send in the violins people.. I'm starting to tear up over here!:disgust:

If compassion and caring about your fellow man isn't your thing, that is your right...but please...don't come on this thread and ridicule the rest of us because we give a damn about a friend. The beauty of this site has always been the outpouring of love and support that we offer to one another. I could never thank the members of this site for all that they have offered me but I can damn sure make certain that I am there for them when they need me!!!

Bring Blackout BACK!!!

Hugs and kisses,
Kate

[BronzeBobby]

I'm new here. What happened? Can someone send me a private message just sort of explaining where all this came from?

By the way, is this guy Blackout really banned? Or did he just input the label "banned" on himself? When I joined yesterday, the system allowed me to choose a label for myself. I didn't choose to customize it, but if I wanted, I could have customized it as "banned." Maybe that's what your friend did. If that's the case, maybe all this conflict is over nothing, and Blackout is just taking a break from the forums which is why he isn't talking anymore.

Bobby

[Skater Boy]

I'm new here. What happened? Can someone send me a private message just sort of explaining where all this came from?

By the way, is this guy Blackout really banned? Or did he just input the label "banned" on himself? When I joined yesterday, the system allowed me to choose a label for myself. I didn't choose to customize it, but if I wanted, I could have customized it as "banned." Maybe that's what your friend did. If that's the case, maybe all this conflict is over nothing, and Blackout is just taking a break from the forums which is why he isn't talking anymore.

Bobby

Welcome to Bi.com! :tong:

Blackout WAS banned, but no-one seems to know quite why. He was quite an opinionated person, but none of us can think of any one thing in particular that he has done that would really have warranted him being banned in such a way. But, never-the-less, banned he was.

[**Peg**]

I'll tellya something... Blackout and I have had some *moments*... i.e. he was the first person to welcome me to chat, which was nice. Once he called me the 'c' word in anger and awhile later apologized. I accepted.

I have no firsthand knowledge of what happened to get him banned (I wasn't here when it happened), but if anyone's in touch with him, tell him to hang in there.

It's likely that the regulars will have some effect on the PTB to bring him back.

**Peg**

[Azrael]

Diamond Dog, are you jealous that so many folks have gone to bat for Blackout? I wonder who would go to bat for you?



I would.

I don't care if people think I'm insensitive. His point was valid.

Blackout lost me with the 'Hitler wasn't a racist' remark.

Historical Revisionism does not fly with me, nor do needless pissing contests, pseudo-intellectual posturing, and accusing people of being 'racist'.

And that's all I got to say about that.

-in the gentle arms of mr. waterpipe,

tom :stoned:

[DiamondDog]

Amen! Laken, Amen

Diamond Dog, are you jealous that so many folks have gone to bat for Blackout? I wonder who would go to bat for you?

Just sayin'

No jealousy here. I'm just stating the truth that's all.

Sometimes I wonder why GLBT/bisexual rights/visiblity/equality aren't achieved and it's because everyone's fighting with one another, or nobody cares.

Not just here on this site but in general.

[Skater Boy]

There's still plenty of ppl here that are crazier than shit-house rats. People who are unstable, openly hostile and just plain stupid.

LMAO... Yeah, I'm surprised that I haven't been banned yet... virtually every post I make is some ill-contrived, self-indulgent attack on the real world. I stop short of claiming that Nazis aren't racist, but y'never know... I might save up something just as grandiosely ridiculous for a rainy day...

ps: I'd probably bat for DD too... he's not all bad.

[Azrael]

LMAO... Yeah, I'm surprised that I haven't been banned yet... virtually every post I make is some ill-contrived, self-indulgent attack on the real world. I stop short of claiming that Nazis aren't racist, but y'never know... I might save up something just as grandiosely ridiculous for a rainy day...



Dood. Remember the cover. We're talking about other people. Promise :bigrin:

[texasman6172003]

Hey y'all,Well i kinda know what this is about. And to me this is no worse than what has been said buy some people to other persons in chat that i have witnessed . Yet nothing is done about that,despite those people reporting it!! All i want to say is ive never had a problem with Blackout since i 1st met him. He has allways been nice to me. And as far as i am concerned he should be allowed back into chat. People we take a lot of this shit that goes on in here way to seriously sometimes. Hell we come here to express our opinions because we feel like we can be ourselves here. Foe gawd sakes we need to just get along y'all,as for as the community is concerned we are all we have!! Sorry just my :2cents:

[Delilah]

:eek:

Damn, I have been abscent for a couple of days and this happens?? Why did he get banned? He has always been so good to me. Very welcoming, warm, and very kind to me. His a bit on the rough edge sometimes. I just slip a big electric eel down his pants when he gets out of line! And he loves my abuse!! LOL
I'm going to miss him for sure. Perhaps it's not a permenant bannishment. I hope not anyways. I really like this site and enjoy chatting with all you good people.
BRING BACK MY FUTURE EX-HUSBAND!!

[Sapphrodite]

Alkl I can say is this:

Right now, it's all all about popularity: a big ole pissing contest... If I piss off 100 regular site members everyday it wouldn't matter, but if I piss off one wrong person once well then I'd be banned for life. That's why people get frustrated with the site - there's a lack of consistancy that only monitored chats and forums can solve.

Unless a website is going to have a SITE-APPOINTED MODERATOR in a chatroom at all times to be able to OBJECTIVELY filter what is being said in and out of context and decide on an appropriate warning and follow-up course of action, should the offending indivudual not comply. Why not list the topics which are a bannable offence right on the chatroom page... I mean, if it can be modified to have links to our 'Chat Sponsor' I'm sure it can have a list of House Rules, right?

It's a matter of objectivity and balance: we can't have everyone as individuals deciding what is or isn't offensive unless there are specific rules posted about topics of discussion in the chatroom. And that's only logical: different people's opinions about what is offensive is widely varying, and someone entering a chatroom at an awkward momnet in any conversation could take something otherwise innocence and make it inflammatory. It's all about context.

Post it & Patrol it, then no one can complain or say they didn't know the rules. Warn, Suspend, then Ban - give people a chance to grow and express themselves within the site's boundries, but don't kick them out for biting the apple (and yeah, I always thought God was a little harsh on Adam and Eve)....

Thanks for your time, all....
~Sapphy~

[lashalane]

"Silly woman from the Midwest"..do me a favor..DON'T call me out. I haven't gotten vicious yet, but really I can. So far everything has been in good fun even to the point where I agreed with you all about him not needing to be banned, but seriously it is starting to get pathetic.

All I keep reading is "why should he have to go, when other "people" (since no one wants to say names) get to stay. I just really wish a MOD, Admin, or Drew (god) himself just left a simple post saying "Because I fucking said so, now shut the fuck up already!"

But.. no. then your feelings would be hurt. Your ittby bitty heart broken. Do you know how easy it is to start up an internet forum such as this...it's so easy that even I have my own for my magazine. You don't like it.. leave already.


Diamond Dog ---- Will I remember you if you get banned ? Yes, I will, but in a much different way :eek:

M'hmm...I'll remember him too.. those big hairy balls of his that he likes to use to teabag those of subpar intellect.. oh and whiny bitches!

[bigirl_inwv]

"Silly woman from the Midwest"..do me a favor..DON'T call me out. I haven't gotten vicious yet, but really I can. So far everything has been in good fun even to the point where I agreed with you all about him not needing to be banned, but seriously it is starting to get pathetic.

All I keep reading is "why should he have to go, when other "people" (since no one wants to say names) get to stay. I just really wish a MOD, Admin, or Drew (god) himself just left a simple post saying "Because I fucking said so, now shut the fuck up already!"

But.. no. then your feelings would be hurt. Your ittby bitty heart broken. Do you know how easy it is to start up an internet forum such as this...it's so easy that even I have my own for my magazine. You don't like it.. leave already.



M'hmm...I'll remember him too.. those big hairy balls of his that he likes to use to teabag those of subpar intellect.. oh and whiny bitches!

She's not the only one who called you out. I did as well. She called you insensitive, which is the truth, and I stated the same thing. Only difference was I didn't post your name in huge letters. I simply quoted your prior statement.

And names have been named. I very clearly said that I am of the opinion that if Blackout is banned, then DiamondDog, the mage, Oralguy, itchin, etc. should be banned as well. Did I miss any there? I'm sure I did. If I think of any I'll update my list for you.

And that's one of the great things about being here. If we want to post a thread about something we're unhappy with...guess what...WE CAN! ISN'T THAT AMAZING!!! In order to stay here we don't have to love every thing that goes on here and how the place is run. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe our posting will make someone in the higher ups realize "hey. maybe I do need to have some mods for this site. so we can avoid these types of conflicts in the future." Yeah. I'm sure you did. Those of us with our subpar intelligence couldn't possibly have thought of that if you didn't. It's so easy to be a bitch when sitting behind a computer screen...I have much more admiration for those who have the ability to feel and care about people they've never even met before. :2cents:

Gosh. All this forum posting has taken me away from violin practice AGAIN!

[Skater Boy]

My, my... its a bit like a high-school girls' netball team locker-room in here. (except without all the hot chicks ;) :tong:)

Lets try and chill out a bit, folks. Either you LIKE Blackout, and want him back, or you DON'T like him, and don't want him back, or you don't give a fuck either way.

If you're one of the people who gives a shit, then by all means carry on posting in an attempt to influence the powers that be.

And the rest of us: lets just leave them to it.

:2cents:

[GreenEyedLady(GEL)]

"Silly woman from the Midwest"..do me a favor..DON'T call me out. I haven't gotten vicious yet, but really I can. So far everything has been in good fun even to the point where I agreed with you all about him not needing to be banned, but seriously it is starting to get pathetic.

All I keep reading is "why should he have to go, when other "people" (since no one wants to say names) get to stay. I just really wish a MOD, Admin, or Drew (god) himself just left a simple post saying "Because I fucking said so, now shut the fuck up already!"

But.. no. then your feelings would be hurt. Your ittby bitty heart broken. Do you know how easy it is to start up an internet forum such as this...it's so easy that even I have my own for my magazine. You don't like it.. leave already.



M'hmm...I'll remember him too.. those big hairy balls of his that he likes to use to teabag those of subpar intellect.. oh and whiny bitches!

Your just a bad mammajamma arntcha and vicious to boot ! Or just another internet bully ? Better watch yourself, you might get banned too ! Then we'll have to get you a thread started :tongue:

[Dagni]

This thread is going nowhere.
Most of ppl who wrote on this thread wants to see Blacky back, and that is all, don't waste your words too much, just let's DO something to bring him back.

[vittoria]

Few can post their opinion in here without personal slander and name calling. Post an opinion about one thing... someone calls you a bitch or a stupid mother f*cker, all sorts of stuff--none of which has anything to do with the opinion, but the PERSON. The person could be a cool individual, yet its got to be all kinds of bitches and nut sucking when you dont agree? Come on now...I thought we were adults here?

:eek:Blackout was apparently banned after he made a few comments in a post about "interracial desires" which began with his opinion about Diamond Dog and Lashlane's opinion on a reply I made to that topic. I read it all. It was the usual banter of you say this and treat people like that kind of thing.

Now if there's a chick telling me that I'm on a soapbox because I have an opinion and telling me that I'm trying to beat someone over the head with a hippy stick and to get over it ( whatever "it" is), and Diamond Dog is going to agree, and after I send this same chick a message to stop harassing me, and then she is going to post the same PRIVATE MESSAGE in a thread and call me a bitch, then have 31cho come in here and tell her to leave me alone and stop flamebaiting and then have Azrael come in and tell 31cho "pot calls kettle black" and to grow a spine and "walk it off" ( whatever THAT means) and then have blackout come in here and quote Diamond Dog's agreeance with Lashalane about my post and say HIS opinion of it, at which point Lasha tells me to get 31cho's nuts out of my mouth...:eek: and then Blackout and DD go at it for another page and a half...

Anyone follow all that?



To be honest, it's rather sad how far this place has been allowed to come. This whole thing about "Flame the idea if you feel you must but not the person" seems to be something that very few can do.

Since no one can see the other person on this thing called the internet, people show their truest selves, whether it is to call others names, and be demeaning, rude, cruel humans, or to be supportive, open-minded, yet proactive individuals. Some people get under my skin. If I see the trend as personal flamage, I either do one or a couple of things: Block the person, or Block the person AND report all proof of flamage to the proper humans. But, naturally, not everyone does those things...

Sometimes we retaliate in the form of arguing the point, defending our selves with words.

Some people get banned, some others dont. The ones who really should sometimes dont get banned either--this should be a place to build up, not tear down, but unfortunately people who have miserable lives feel that those who dont, should be miserable as well....therefore the person who started the flamebaiting doesnt get banned--but the defending party does, as what happened in this case. Blackout was stating his opinion like anyone else in here. He's no a chat troll like some people are. I value his friendship. He is TRULY one who cares :rolleyes:

I just stated an honest opinion. Didnt call anyone names, but shared a point of view, which EVERYONE does on here. This name calling and BS needs to stop. Ban the ones who deliberately cause problems and havoc, whose desire is to inflame. How the hell can we be a community united if we are community divided?

[Michael623]

Those that support Blackout's return have spoken out, but I am not sure what steps they are taking to try to see that this happens. Several of you have been in contact with Blackout, and the question I think more important than what they are doing is what is Blackout doing to get back to this site. I've been here for over 3 years and although I might disagree with Drew on some issues, he does seem to be a fair minded person. So what's up with Blackout, what action is he taking?

[Skater Boy]

don't waste your words too much, just let's DO something to bring him back.

Thats the whole point: There IS nothing that can be done, to my knowledge.

I see what Vittoria is saying though... the whole thing was a big bar brawl, and one drunk man got scape-goated for playing a key part in it.

Perhaps unfair, but as has been implied before in this thread: life is unfair.

[Eddie altamonte]

I am surprised and vastly disappointed of the banning of Blackout. My experience is that he has brought joy and life to our chat. Never have I seen malicious intent of harm to anyone or anything from him at any time. Do we put our foot in our mouths at times...absolutely. Blackout has been nothing but a standup guy. I never knew him as well as some others but this is a forum in which ideas and impressions are exchanged, and disagreements do occur. If this forum is not one of tolerance and acceptance then we are strongly mistaken that we can freely and openly exhibit our true selves here. Soon we will not be able to express those feeling, thoght, and experiences that are what originally unites us all. There are rules in place that are required for a community to remain intact. Respect is a primary component. If Blackout did cross some boundries, and/or offend a select few a timeout or a slap on the back of the hand is indicated but please don't kick him out of his home...Our Home! He is part of our family and has every right to remain here ...LIFT THE BAN PLEASE

[BronzeBobby]

I wonder if it's a legal issue. Drew is based in Canada; I don't know the rules there. In the US the Supreme Court has recently given a lot of Internet message sites (like ratemyprofessor.com, etc) a great deal of leeway. But I know that a site operator in the US is still legally liable if something like child pornography, real harassment, or terrorism is promoted via their domain, and they didn't do anything about it. Perhaps Canada has similar laws, and when this guy alluded to Hitler not being racist, he crossed the line into something possibly construed as insurrectionary, dangerous activity. Maybe there were some things going on in private messages behind the scenes, which turned criminal. Then the site owner has to act or risk being sued. The fact that the site moderator has not said anything about the case makes me think there was something legally fraught happening, and it was necessary to ban him or the site would be taken down.

[Dagni]

I wonder if it's a legal issue. Drew is based in Canada; I don't know the rules there. In the US the Supreme Court has recently given a lot of Internet message sites (like ratemyprofessor.com, etc) a great deal of leeway. But I know that a site operator in the US is still legally liable if something like child pornography, real harassment, or terrorism is promoted via their domain, and they didn't do anything about it. Perhaps Canada has similar laws, and when this guy alluded to Hitler not being racist, he crossed the line into something possibly construed as insurrectionary, dangerous activity. Maybe there were some things going on in private messages behind the scenes, which turned criminal. Then the site owner has to act or risk being sued. The fact that the site moderator has not said anything about the case makes me think there was something legally fraught happening, and it was necessary to ban him or the site would be taken down.


Well this is international, worldwide site, so if some Dutch say smth about Hitler or whatever, that is his own perspective.
Maybe that's his point of view, maybe not, does it matter? On This site, law and rules suppose to be same for everyone, no matter if members coming from USA, Canada, Netherlands, Finland, Sweden, UK,.....whatever.

[MarieDelta]

Those that support Blackout's return have spoken out, but I am not sure what steps they are taking to try to see that this happens. Several of you have been in contact with Blackout, and the question I think more important than what they are doing is what is Blackout doing to get back to this site. I've been here for over 3 years and although I might disagree with Drew on some issues, he does seem to be a fair minded person. So what's up with Blackout, what action is he taking?


Michael,
Blackout has tried to email Drew, but as far as I know , has yet to recieve a response even telling him what he did to get banned. Which is drews right, if he wants to be arbitrary, he can ban whoever he pleases, as has been pointed out.

Marie

[lashalane]

:snip: .. a whole lot of great shit!!.

:love: A bisexual man that uses his brain over emotion, brings another perspective, manages to have 2 really thought provoking replies within a sea of gobbledygook all within a 24 hour period, and a n00b!!!???...I think I am in love!! :love:

[Skater Boy]

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[diB4u]

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Pmsl.... Clasps hands... I need me self some icons...

[DiamondDog]

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There! I think that about sums it all up! :tong:

That was funny! Please do this with other threads!

[lashalane]

Oh yes.. I almost forgot


She's not the only one who called you out. I did as well. She called you insensitive, which is the truth, and I stated the same thing. Only difference was I didn't post your name in huge letters. I simply quoted your prior statement.


You are absolutely correct.. you did say something to that effect... my mistake. I will rephrase... but you'll have to wait for it.. let's move on..



It's so easy to be a bitch when sitting behind a computer screen...


It is easy either way. I'm the same in person as I am here, but this, my love, is not "THE BITCH". Not by a long shot. I hold back so much on these boards. I do so because it really isnt a fair fight and usually the threads are fluff and why would I want to trade lyrically delicious barbs, when the replies won't be anything more than "you're a mean girl..:confused:"

Next....


Your just a bad mammajamma arntcha and vicious to boot ! Or just another internet bully ? Better watch yourself, you might get banned too ! Then we'll have to get you a thread started :tongue:


Big Bad Mamma Jamma (returns), thank-you-very-much! and I have the hottest selling bbw dvd to prove it!

And for the love of Aries, please don't start a thread like this for me. There are more interesting and effective ways of bringing back things that have been canceled/removed. ....

...ok now for the rephrase..Do not call me out for being an insensitive bitch. Doing so is a copout. Call me out for being wrong or hypocritical or something other than how what words I use make you feel, because when you don't do that, it's just plain irritating.

..Oh and since Vittoria is still pretending like she blocked me, will some friend of hers let her know that she really should stop "chasing the dragon".. we can now add delusional to the laundry list of personality defects.

OK.. I'm bored..no need to go any further but I must bow down to the following and pray that it really is the end of the discussion. Although I'm sure it won't.


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There! I think that about sums it all up! :tong:

[coyotedude]

I have to be honest; I don't share the good feelings others have about blackout. He was a complete and utter asshole in our first encounter. In fact, that particular encounter is the main reason I've stayed away from this site the last few months.

However, the fact is that all of us can be assholes at one time or another. We all make mistakes. Last I checked, I can't walk on water, either. So I don't necessarily think someone should be banned for being an asshole or making a mistake.

If blackout was banned solely for being the occasional asshole, I would be concerned. And I would be extremely concerned if (in fact) the site administrators have not communicated the reason behind this ban to blackout. Fairness would dictate that good, solid reasons for such an action be given to the person being banned.

But in fairness to the site administrators, we don't actually know what has transpired to cause them to take this step. And frankly, while they may owe an explanation to blackout, they don't owe an explanation to us.

What would be helpful would be some clearly defined guidelines from the site administrators for what kinds of behavior and language they deem unacceptable. Part of the problem is that we don't know what particular words or actions might get us banned. That's why this seems so arbitrary; we can't play by the rules if we don't know what the rules are. And that is unfair to the members of this community.

Just my :2cents:

Peace

[Huey_durden]

Few can post their opinion in here without personal slander and name calling. Post an opinion about one thing... someone calls you a bitch or a stupid mother f*cker, all sorts of stuff--none of which has anything to do with the opinion, but the PERSON. The person could be a cool individual, yet its got to be all kinds of bitches and nut sucking when you dont agree? Come on now...I thought we were adults here?

:eek:Blackout was apparently banned after he made a few comments in a post about "interracial desires" which began with his opinion about Diamond Dog and Lashlane's opinion on a reply I made to that topic. I read it all. It was the usual banter of you say this and treat people like that kind of thing.

Now if there's a chick telling me that I'm on a soapbox because I have an opinion and telling me that I'm trying to beat someone over the head with a hippy stick and to get over it ( whatever "it" is), and Diamond Dog is going to agree, and after I send this same chick a message to stop harassing me, and then she is going to post the same PRIVATE MESSAGE in a thread and call me a bitch, then have 31cho come in here and tell her to leave me alone and stop flamebaiting and then have Azrael come in and tell 31cho "pot calls kettle black" and to grow a spine and "walk it off" ( whatever THAT means) and then have blackout come in here and quote Diamond Dog's agreeance with Lashalane about my post and say HIS opinion of it, at which point Lasha tells me to get 31cho's nuts out of my mouth...:eek: and then Blackout and DD go at it for another page and a half...

Anyone follow all that?



To be honest, it's rather sad how far this place has been allowed to come. This whole thing about "Flame the idea if you feel you must but not the person" seems to be something that very few can do.

Since no one can see the other person on this thing called the internet, people show their truest selves, whether it is to call others names, and be demeaning, rude, cruel humans, or to be supportive, open-minded, yet proactive individuals. Some people get under my skin. If I see the trend as personal flamage, I either do one or a couple of things: Block the person, or Block the person AND report all proof of flamage to the proper humans. But, naturally, not everyone does those things...

Sometimes we retaliate in the form of arguing the point, defending our selves with words.

Some people get banned, some others dont. The ones who really should sometimes dont get banned either--this should be a place to build up, not tear down, but unfortunately people who have miserable lives feel that those who dont, should be miserable as well....therefore the person who started the flamebaiting doesnt get banned--but the defending party does, as what happened in this case. Blackout was stating his opinion like anyone else in here. He's no a chat troll like some people are. I value his friendship. He is TRULY one who cares :rolleyes:

I just stated an honest opinion. Didnt call anyone names, but shared a point of view, which EVERYONE does on here. This name calling and BS needs to stop. Ban the ones who deliberately cause problems and havoc, whose desire is to inflame. How the hell can we be a community united if we are community divided?

and that's the reason why i go outside to play...Nice to see you again Vittoria.

[Azrael]

Few can post their opinion in here without personal slander and name calling. Post an opinion about one thing... someone calls you a bitch or a stupid mother f*cker, all sorts of stuff--none of which has anything to do with the opinion, but the PERSON. The person could be a cool individual, yet its got to be all kinds of bitches and nut sucking when you dont agree? Come on now...I thought we were adults here?

:eek:Blackout was apparently banned after he made a few comments in a post about "interracial desires" which began with his opinion about Diamond Dog and Lashlane's opinion on a reply I made to that topic. I read it all. It was the usual banter of you say this and treat people like that kind of thing.

Now if there's a chick telling me that I'm on a soapbox because I have an opinion and telling me that I'm trying to beat someone over the head with a hippy stick and to get over it ( whatever "it" is), and Diamond Dog is going to agree, and after I send this same chick a message to stop harassing me, and then she is going to post the same PRIVATE MESSAGE in a thread and call me a bitch, then have 31cho come in here and tell her to leave me alone and stop flamebaiting and then have Azrael come in and tell 31cho "pot calls kettle black" and to grow a spine and "walk it off" ( whatever THAT means) and then have blackout come in here and quote Diamond Dog's agreeance with Lashalane about my post and say HIS opinion of it, at which point Lasha tells me to get 31cho's nuts out of my mouth...:eek: and then Blackout and DD go at it for another page and a half...

Anyone follow all that?



To be honest, it's rather sad how far this place has been allowed to come. This whole thing about "Flame the idea if you feel you must but not the person" seems to be something that very few can do.

Since no one can see the other person on this thing called the internet, people show their truest selves, whether it is to call others names, and be demeaning, rude, cruel humans, or to be supportive, open-minded, yet proactive individuals. Some people get under my skin. If I see the trend as personal flamage, I either do one or a couple of things: Block the person, or Block the person AND report all proof of flamage to the proper humans. But, naturally, not everyone does those things...

Sometimes we retaliate in the form of arguing the point, defending our selves with words.

Some people get banned, some others dont. The ones who really should sometimes dont get banned either--this should be a place to build up, not tear down, but unfortunately people who have miserable lives feel that those who dont, should be miserable as well....therefore the person who started the flamebaiting doesnt get banned--but the defending party does, as what happened in this case. Blackout was stating his opinion like anyone else in here. He's no a chat troll like some people are. I value his friendship. He is TRULY one who cares :rolleyes:

I just stated an honest opinion. Didnt call anyone names, but shared a point of view, which EVERYONE does on here. This name calling and BS needs to stop. Ban the ones who deliberately cause problems and havoc, whose desire is to inflame. How the hell can we be a community united if we are community divided?

That is a severely condensed version of what's transpired.
Rupert Murdoch would be proud.
A few people dared to question the foundation of your logic, and now you're trying to hang them out to dry.

How bout you try living up to half the smack you talk?

[BronzeBobby]

Well this is international, worldwide site, so if some Dutch say smth about Hitler or whatever, that is his own perspective.
Maybe that's his point of view, maybe not, does it matter? On This site, law and rules suppose to be same for everyone, no matter if members coming from USA, Canada, Netherlands, Finland, Sweden, UK,.....whatever.

Hi Dagni. I'll clarify a little about what I meant, if I can find the words, below.

Recently there have been a lot of changes to the laws here in the United States, partly because of 9/11 and things like Columbine or the Virginia Tech massacre. Because violent acts like these have had ties to Internet chatter, here in the US there has been less emphasis on purely "free speech" and more emphasis on national security. Even if people from all over the world are on a site, if the site is operated out of the US, then the people in charge of the site are subject to US law. I know this because I had to take down a lot of art work from my personal website, to avoid copyright laws. Things like terrorism, copyright infringements, libel, hate crimes, sex crimes, identity theft, harassment, and certain pornography fall under certain categories, where your "free speech" rights are overridden by the state's need to protect other people. I don't know Canadian law very well, but I know Drew operates the site out of Canada, so he is liable to Canadian law, even though lots of us don't live in Canada.

Because of the recent tensions between Israel and many Muslim states, I know in the US there has been a tendency to take anti-Semitic remarks online more seriously than other hate speech. The logic goes that people who express anti-Semitic remarks might be more likely to be engaged in plots like the recent plans by terrorists to attack Jewish sites in the United States and Canada after the tension between Hezbollah and Israel. I'm not endorsing this view, just offering it as one possibility. There was a recent security alert in the US, after some threats made by Hezbollah, and whenever that happens there are more people monitoring open discussion sites. So it might have been a bad time for somebody to endorse Hitler online. I am totally guessing about this, since I don't know any of the specifics.

I'm just suggesting that maybe something very serious happened and Drew had to ban a specific person because he was legally liable for some damages if he failed to ban him. With over 30,000 members, Drew's site is large enough that it's probably being closely monitored and I wouldn't be surprised if surveillance authorities contacted him about troubling chatter.

All the best to you in Finland! :)

[Sapphrodite]

Okay, I'm still all with you guys here: but let's look at this from a completely different perspective.

Look at the bigger picture here forlks: Vittoria, coyotedude, and myself (to name a few) have all said it's about the site's rules and standards, and not the person who was banned and if we liked him or not. Then it fails to be about Blackout anymore, but more about who's head's on the chopping block next and will they see it coming??? Without consistently implemented standards for all, it could be anyone being banned for saying anything someone else finds offensive, and the site would lose a lot of its "open forum" appeal.

Now I have been to Belgium and the Netherlands on a military exchange and I've military bases, museums and more cemetaries than you can count, including Flanders Fields, full of people who gave their lives, so damn straight I have a strong opinion about it!! Okay - some of you may agree with it, but I'm not going to judge you if you don't think like I do!!! What if you were banned with no warning about posting something you didn't realize you could be banned for??

It's not about Hitler or any comments, or even Blackout: it's not about any of that. It's about clear rules and boundries, and there are simple ways of getting around this without Drew having to micro-manage everything about the site.

1. Let us have the ability to edit/delete our own posts infinitely. That way if we offend someone or make typos or want to retract something we can, which would prevent a lot of the angry threads around the forums. This is the only forum that I'm on where it doesn't let you edit/delete your own posts indefinitely... at least give us the tools to try and work it out ourselves.

2. Turn on the Word Censoring filters for the forums. If you dont want topics like Hitler and holocauct discussed, then censor specific offensive or hair-trigger words that are more likely to cause issues with others online. The censoring is already built into most programs - it's only a matter of five minutes to type them in. I'm not suggesting we should censor people, but if we are going to do it anyway, be responsible and let people know the rules upfront.

3. Set up clear guidelines on offences once can be banned for, and also the steps to take if someone is being offensive. No sense everyone starting threads that Drew doesnt read or everyone flooding his inbox with hearsay. Clearly state how offensive comments are to be reported (saved script from chat, link to offensive posting, etc.) and have someone actually answer the emails in a timely fashoin so the situation can be assessed and dealt with before everyone reads it and make mountains out of molehills.

4. Ensure there is a 'One Warning" system - give people a chance to change and if they don't *boot*. We have a great site with mostly great people here, but we do get the odd idiot who does need booting. Having clear guidelines about what is generally offensive and how to report it along with someone to monitor those forums/emails can keep the site form becoming a mudslinging free-for-all. I'm all for Free Speech, but not a pissing match.

5. Assign Forum and Chat Moderators who can help... There are tons of people who want to help - for heaven's sake, LET US!!! We're not out to mess with Drew's success, but we do all have a vested interest in this site staying open and available for us all to keep in touch, and we do want to protect it from being a verbal dumping ground for slander and hate mongering.

For instance, Forum Moderator positions can be modified to move threads to a locked area out of the public view, then Drew can read and decide what actions to take. This keeps all the control in his hands for the actual disciplinary actions, but he'd have a few more eyes and ears out there keeping things on track.


And yes, I've put my money where my mouth is and offered (I already help out with other sites), and so have others, but to no avail. It seems we're destined to live our own little Groundhog Day moments: things get outta hand, everyone complains, but nothing actually changes - so we wake up the next day in the same place with the same problem and no solutions.

I dunno about you all, but I'm just plain tired of getting up on the wrong side of the bed on Feb.2nd with nothing I can do about it.

[Skater Boy]

I dunno about you all, but I'm just plain tired of getting up on the wrong side of the bed on Feb.2nd with nothing I can do about it.

Aw c'mon... thats not true.... you could learn how to play the piano, speak French, ice-sculpt, seduce a woman, etc. :bigrin:

But seriously, your suggestions (1-5) were good. I just hope that someone up there is listening... although I somehow doubt it...

[proseros]

Hahahahaa!

This is TOO funny! Look at the lot of you going at each other's throats over some poster/member being banned!

No I'm not making lite of the matter one way or the other-Personally I don't think anyone should be banned for any reason short of perpetration of directly assaulting someone either too feeble or innocent to fend for themselves-which is impossible to do with a keyboard unless you smash it over someone's head.

But otherwise I wonder whether Blackout even gives a shit about being banned more than everyone else. I'm sure he's got a life that's far more important than anything going on in this site, and if he doesn't, well by now he'd have realized a perfect opportunity to find other uses of his time.

Altogether the point being, though unsure who may know this person directly-I can't admit to knowing much more about him than I would about Jeffrey Dahmer (And everyone-who thought they knew him-said he was quite a personable fellow, which of itself had nothing to do with the fact that he had a proclivity towards eating other human beings.

So until anyone really knows enough about the guy to know that he isn't an alien, serial killer, child molester, leader of a terrorist cell or some other highly undesirable despotic character, I say we move on with out own business and let's presume that the decision may not be as inhumanely biased as suggested-for all it may be worth in the end, since that'd make the powers that be just as bad.


Just my :2cents:

[Skater Boy]

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N'kay. So there. :tong:

[darkeyes]

Hahahahaa!




So until anyone really knows enough about the guy to know that he isn't an alien, serial killer, child molester, leader of a terrorist cell or some other highly undesirable despotic character, I say we move on with out own business and let's presume that the decision may not be as inhumanely biased as suggested-for all it may be worth in the end, since that'd make the powers that be just as bad.


Just my :2cents:Ne 1 else think this sayin guilty till proven innocent or is me jus imaginin it? Dus luff a person who likes 2 give peeps a fair cracka the whip...

[12voltman59]

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[GreenEyedLady(GEL)]

Doesn't the smiley holding the Admin Power sign kind of look like Hitler ? :eek:
I know , Im terrible. Someone spank me please !

[Skater Boy]

Doesn't the smiley holding the Admin Power sign kind of look like Hitler ? :eek:
I know , Im terrible. Someone spank me please !

Ya, it does! I thought that was kinda ironic considering what we *suspect* Blackout might've been banned for!

[GreenEyedLady(GEL)]

I thought the same thing !!

[coyotedude]

Someone spank me please !

Gladly! :devil: :rotate:

[Doggie_Wood]

I have missed Blackout in chat - Drew, please lift his ban.

[AlaskanGirl]

Blackout tends to get a little blunt but from what i understand about it is why are you banning him? Did everyone hear him out before someone contacted drew? He told me that he didn't get to finish. I SAY BRING HIM BACK!!!!!!!!! Blackout is as true a friend as anyone can have.