Nanny digs through your trash

[bisexualinsocal]

This is what happens when you let the religious environmentalists shove their religious doctrine into the private lives of Americans. Reminds me a lot of the Taliban in Afghanistan circa 1998, cracking people in the head for not complying with their religious views. Recycle like nanny tells you how


SF 'Garbage Cops' May Be Digging In Your Trash

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS 5) ― How would you feel if someone was going through your trash, and your tax dollars were paying for it?

If you live in San Francisco it may be happening to you.

It's a city where some people recycle the way they're supposed to. Some don't. When they don't, Sunset Scavenger comes in. (Better button up that blouse, dhimmi)

Sunset Scavenger - a recycling and garbage collection & removal service – oversees a conservation corps that roots through trash, and leaves notes for those who aren't recycling properly.:tongue::tongue: Some people may not like it, but it's the law.

"When it's set at the curb, it becomes the property of the licensed authorized hauler. :cool: In San Francisco, that's Sunset Scavenger," said Robert Reed, a Sunset Scavenger employee.

They aren't quite the garbage cops. They can't dish out fines (But eventually they'll be able to, don't make me say "I told you so"), but the city hopes that the friendly reminders will encourage people to recycle more.

Repent, reuse, recycle.... Nanny is watching you.

[FalconAngel]

We're all for recycling, but that may be the first step in taking it a bit too far.

It wouldn't be the first time.....after all, look at PETA or any of the eco-terrorism groups out there.

We need to deal with these kinds of issues with reason, not overzealous enforcement of regulations or intrusive behavior by civil employees. Even if they are contract agencies.

[The Barefoot Contess]

A few months ago, I got a note from the environmental services explaining what I was doing wrong with my recycling. I did not take offense, I just learned how to do things better. It might not be exactly the same thing that you mention, but if they collect my trash and they see that I could be doing things better, or more efficiently, I actually appreciate that they tell me.

[DiamondDog]

Many cities do this and will fine you if you don't recycle.

[GreenEyedLady(GEL)]

Did I miss the part where it discussed the religious people picking thru their trash or is something you just decided to add ??

Perhaps one might want to invest in a paper shredder, don't want some bible beater getting ahold of your SS#

[BiphobiaFighter]

Did I miss the part where it discussed the religious people picking thru their trash or is something you just decided to add ??

Perhaps one might want to invest in a paper shredder, don't want some bible beater getting ahold of your SS#
He seems to be obsessed with the idea that environmentalism is a religion.
http://main.bisexual.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5078

[DiamondDog]

Did I miss the part where it discussed the religious people picking thru their trash or is something you just decided to add ??

Perhaps one might want to invest in a paper shredder, don't want some bible beater getting ahold of your SS#

LOL

I have no problems with someone going through my trash since I don't want it anymore, they'll be the one to clean it all up again, I have nothing to hide, and I recycle.

Also in many states and countries the police can go through your garbage if they have reason to.

The taliban were around long before the late 90s.

[The Barefoot Contess]

Did I miss the part where it discussed the religious people picking thru their trash or is something you just decided to add ??

Perhaps one might want to invest in a paper shredder, don't want some bible beater getting ahold of your SS#

LOL ;)

Yes, let's not forget our inalienable rights to consume as much as we want and the way we want. Why should I be held responsible for the consequences of my consumption, right? After all, according to the wise words of Mr Crichton, it is sooo hard:

1. To anticipate the consequences of my actions. For instance, why should I assume that stabbing you in the heart might cause your death, when there are so many other factors that directly caused your bleeding, such as, don't know, your making me angry?
2. To know what the right course of action is in environmental issues. For instance, is it wiser to drill the North pole or to keep, or why not, increase, our carbon emissions? Wait, you can do both at the same time. Wow, that is some environmental efficiency at work. Optimize it by not recycling or recycling poorly, please.

I remember one time when an American friend of mine told me that he would not use a water-saving toilet "because my ancestors did not move here to save energy", aka, this is a country where wasting seems to be a right. Lol.
One of my roommates has no idea that, you know, maybe, only maybe, it would be smart to turn off the lights if you are not going to be in your room for a long time? Nope, he even leaves the space heater on when he is out (and the house temperature is never below 68, I mean, he uses the heater on top of regular heating). Do I think there should be an agency to monitor our light/heat consumption? No, but maybe there could be some sort of tax benefit or something for those who show commitment to proven environmental causes. Just an idea. Since "the common good" is not a good enough reason for consumption fanatics (btw, shall we talk here of "the religion of consumption"?), "their own good" might work.

Oh, and by the way, this is not primarily climate change, my friends; this is first and foremost freaking common sense and respectful and responsible citizenship.

(Ok, that might have been slightly off topic).

[vittoria]

He seems to be obsessed with the idea that environmentalism is a religion.
http://main.bisexual.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5078


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[12voltman59]

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You got that right guys!!!

He is like a broken record----

I have a question for bisexualinsocal----are you against the whole notion of recycling?

I recycle as much as I can and if my trash hauler tells me that I am doing something wrong---I have no problem with that--I want to make it as easy as possible for them to do what they need to do.

I do know of some people who hate the notion of recycling--and they tend to be older--which is something since at one time---everyone-- out of both being practical and patriotic people---gladly recycled. During WWII, you had no choice about recycling.

I still remember having milk bottles delivered to the front door that were left out when the milk was gone and bringing back sodapop bottles to the grocery.

Now--we through everything away---we are going to one day---run out of places to bury the stuff.

Recycling makes sense----in so many ways.

Perhaps the biggest rap I have about, in general, the way modern conservative types are----they seem to hold the notion that "a man is an island." If you read what they write, listen to what they talk about--if you boil it down to its essential nature--it is all about "ME...ME...ME!!" and maybe a fair degree of hate is in there too!!

They hate to pay taxes---they hate this--they hate that!!!! Obviously bisexualinsocal hates environmental stuff.

They really seem to have no sense at all that we do live in an interconnected world--interconnected between and among people of all types--nations etc. and with a world filled with many other creatures-----

It is all about they and theirs---and it seems that as long as they have whatever it is they want in life--- their view is: "fuck everyone and everything else!!"

[TaylorMade]

Why are you hanging the most dreaded of your labels. . .conservative. . .because he is questioning the current think about (Human created) global warming?

That, to me, is very narrow minded and indicative of holding onto a dogma of your own - - and last time I checked... dogma is one of those things that's supposed to be a no-no.

Many people who wouldn't be caught dead supporting ANY conservative cause DO look at the skeptics, give them some credence and don't just go off supporting the idea of a government agency digging through their junk because it's "for recycling".

I don't like the government digging through my trash for ANY reason whatsoever! But it seems that because it's an appropriately progressive body... it's okay. No, it's not.What happened to right to privacy? I recycle, Uncle Sam. . just trust me . Stay the fuck out my garbage.

*Taylor*

[captslaprock]

AMEN TAYLOR

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

lol They wouldnt find anything "Racy" in mine. All they'd find is household garbage..lol
Cat

[The Barefoot Contess]

I don't like the government digging through my trash for ANY reason whatsoever!

*Taylor*

What if the person is suspected of a crime and the police might find relevant info in his or her trash?

[12voltman59]

What if the person is suspected of a crime and the police might find relevant info in his or her trash?

Barefoot--the police do search through trash all of the time---they do not need to get a warrant to do so and in so doing--they have brought to justice every type of criminal from drug dealers, child pornograhpers, rapists, murderers and organized (the Mafia) and corporate criminals!!

[TaylorMade]

What if the person is suspected of a crime and the police might find relevant info in his or her trash?

Search warrant - - that way you're notified and it can be contested. San Fransisco's recycling police doesn't do any such thing until they have done it. That makes me uncomfortable and leaves room for further abuses by the law.

*Taylor*

[nothings5d]

Search warrant - - that way you're notified and it can be contested. San Fransisco's recycling police doesn't do any such thing until they have done it. That makes me uncomfortable and leaves room for further abuses by the law.

*Taylor*

I don't know of any city or state in the US where the police have to get a search warrant to search the trash outside of a suspect's house.

[TaylorMade]

I don't know of any city or state in the US where the police have to get a search warrant to search the trash outside of a suspect's house.

I know for a while they had to --but I know that what has turned up in searches has been contested and the right to privacy has been used as a reason why...

But - -do you get my over-arching point? The government should keep their mitts off my junk unless it absolutely has a pressing need to do other wise (with a little bit of notice), whether searching for evidence that I didn't recycle or I did racketeer.

If we're saying it's okay for San Fransisco to go through my trash, I don't want to hear anyone bitch about the Patriot act or the government wiretapping. Government intrusion is government intrusion, whether you agree with the reason or not.


And with that, I'm done.


*Taylor*

[12voltman59]

It is a US Supreme Court Case that allows police to search trash without a warrant---

The case came from California:

http://www.phschool.com/atschool/supreme_court_cases/greenwood.html


After searching more--it does seem that the precedent set in that case still holds-but some states-such as New Hampshire's State Supreme Court ruled that the New Hampshire state constitution grants more protections in this regard---so it seems that in New Hampshire--the police can't search your trash without a probable cause warrant.

Sometimes the internet does not have the most up-to-date information about some topics---

I guess the prevailing word is--if you are doing something that you don't want others to know about and may be incriminating--don't put out anything embarrassing or possibly indicative of criminal activity in the trash----but as they like to say about the government sifting through everyone's emails, phone calls and the like--if you aren't doing anything wrong--you don't have anything to worry about!!

I don't like 'em sniffing all around either--but hey--things have changed since 9/11 and its OK to give up our rights to have the government make us safe, from both our own homegrown criminals and Al Qaeda terrorists, right????

[HighEnergy]

no, no, no!!! It's not right.

What's that quote, they don't have to build prisons if they build them in our minds? That is exactly what they've done with the fearmongering. They have let Bin Laden win with what they've done to keep him at bay. Idiots.

Although, I don't have a problem with getting tips on what else could be recycled. As it is, I need a bigger recycle bin than I do a trash bin most weeks. It'd been even less trash except I can't compost with a dog. She brings what she considers perfectly good food back to the porch for me. "Silly Momma, you threw this perfectly good smelly apple core in that heap of leaves in the back yard! You can have it back with dog germs and all!" :doggie:

[TaylorMade]

It is a US Supreme Court Case that allows police to search trash without a warrant---

The case came from California:

http://www.phschool.com/atschool/supreme_court_cases/greenwood.html


After searching more--it does seem that the precedent set in that case still holds-but some states-such as New Hampshire's State Supreme Court ruled that the New Hampshire state constitution grants more protections in this regard---so it seems that in New Hampshire--the police can't search your trash without a probable cause warrant.

Sometimes the internet does not have the most up-to-date information about some topics---

I guess the prevailing word is--if you are doing something that you don't want others to know about and may be incriminating--don't put out anything embarrassing or possibly indicative of criminal activity in the trash----but as they like to say about the government sifting through everyone's emails, phone calls and the like--if you aren't doing anything wrong--you don't have anything to worry about!!

I don't like 'em sniffing all around either--but hey--things have changed since 9/11 and its OK to give up our rights to have the government make us safe, from both our own homegrown criminals and Al Qaeda terrorists, right????

I knew I was right to some degree- -

That's the prevailing word. . .but from what I know of your posts, that is not what you believe, it seems. . .unless it's the San Fransisco recycling police.

If the government were to go through my life, they wouldn't find anything but my love of masturbation porn, Gerard Butler, Gary Sinise and Absinthe- - but... I don't want to give them that luxury.

*Taylor*

[wanderingrichard]

may i suggest home office shredders that can handle paper, light card board, compact disks, , old 3.5 in. floppies and one or two others??

never have a large enough recycle container....and here, it doesnt have to be separated, just lumped together.. they separate it at teh waste management center.

also, most local recycle centers are open weekends and you can pile up your stuff till you have enough, in, say, your garage or basement or even out on a balcony if you live in an apartment that has one.. just remember to tarp over it if you do

that takes care of the curbside crazies, and with a little common sense you can beat the snoopers / ID thieves easily this way too.

and yeah, if you're over say 45 you probably have parents who grew up during the depression and world wide mistake #2 and still hoard or recycle a lot of things.. gosh, some of it is even called "antiquing"

[nothings5d]

may i suggest home office shredders that can handle paper, light card board, compact disks, , old 3.5 in. floppies and one or two others??

You don't need all that, just save the papers 'till the next time you cook out and burn them, same with the card board. CD's, all you gotta do with them is buy an old microwave to keep in your garage, then sit back and enjoy the light show. As for 3.5 in. floppies and any magnetic media, buy a degaussing loop to wipe them clean, remember to remove the platters from the hard drive casing first, the casing will reduce the effectiveness of the magnet. Then when anyone searches through your trash they think you're recycling all your paper, they think you just have fun with the microwave light show and that you throw away unused floppies.

It'll be cheaper this way, you can get a decent degausser for about $15 and an old microwave for probably $5 from your local Salvation Army/Goodwill.

[gfofbiguy]

Maybe cheaper, but shredders aren't that expensive either, we got ours for about $30 at Target on sale last year that shreds credit cards and paper. Plus, lots of towns/cities have ordinances about burning garbage/paper/etc within township/city limits.....I s'pose you could bring it with ya when you go camping and have a nice bonfire starter.....twist them all up, add it to the fuel...I do like the microwave idea "look at all the colors" LOL

[wanderingrichard]

Maybe cheaper, but shredders aren't that expensive either, we got ours for about $30 at Target on sale last year that shreds credit cards and paper. Plus, lots of towns/cities have ordinances about burning garbage/paper/etc within township/city limits.....I s'pose you could bring it with ya when you go camping and have a nice bonfire starter.....twist them all up, add it to the fuel...I do like the microwave idea "look at all the colors" LOL


hadn't thot of the old micro trick but yeah, the ordinances in a lot of places now are really messed up so it'd be easier and safer on your wallet to shred.. and far less air pollution..which is why i'd made that suggestion.. somehow, i get the feeling not all small town america is getting the message when it comes to integrating personal security and recycling as a comprehensive step in combatting the 1984 /gattaga syndrome that seems to be invading our society.

i take that back, i didnt mean to single out small town america.. hell the big cities are the most guilty of it..

here, i shred everythign that i do not need to save, from all the extra crap that comes crammed in with utility bills, to old, voided personal checks to unwanted credit card offers and aol cd's. and then separate it for recycle. my roomie thinks i'm nuts/paranoid, but so far i havent had any trouble with dumpster divers or neighbors rooting thru my stuff for personal info they arent entitled to..

[nothings5d]

Plus, lots of towns/cities have ordinances about burning garbage/paper/etc within township/city limits.....I s'pose you could bring it with ya when you go camping and have a nice bonfire starter...

Anywhere you can legally light a grill for cooking you can burn paper. Kindling is the perfect excuse for burning paper.

[Sapphrodite]

Here in Canada, in cities large and small (though my city has about 500,000 people), we have our garbage limit of two bags. In some communities, it's one bag and you have to buy additional 'tags' to put on the garage if you want it hauled away, or they leave it on your sidewalk.

We also have two blue recycling bins: one for paper products and one for glass, cans, etc (and yes, they have to be properly sorted). We also have a newer program with a Green box: it's anything decomposable, including food waste, paper products like kleenex and paper towels, even hair from your hair brush!! It has cut our garbage down to as little as half a bag a week, not to mention there's literally no smell to it anymore. The Green box gets kinda funky, but at least it's outside and we can hose it down... LOL!!

I like the Green box better than having a compost box in my yard (if you have a small yard like me, it attracts too many bees & urban critters for my tastes). Many cities use the green waste for composting and saves thousands for its gardens, golf courses and parks, plus they give away the leftovers to anyone who wants to haul it away. Saves me from mucking about with topsoil and worms and stuff... lol!!!

Most restaurants, shopping malls, and companies have to recycle here too - it's not an option not to recycle!!! We also have grey boxes (mostly for offices) which are strictly for white paper (photocopies, etc). Facotres have to sort out thir recyclables and have even stricter policies on waste water and other landfill issues. Actually I'm pretty proud that Canada does take the environment and landfill issues as seriously as it does... and it helps to know that I'm doing my part.

To be quite honest, I was surprised that many parts of the USA don't really have a firm stance on recycling: I've been through a half dozen states and never seen a recycling bin at a mall or restaurant, though you do offer money-back deposits on almost any bottle or can, which helps encourage people to return them.

You can shred papers, leave CDs out in the sun to erase them, and I always fold my boxes inside-out so people won't know what larger-ticket items may have come into my house... other than that, honestly, if I have something important to dispose of, I just make a trip to the dump and pay my $5 to toss it. I mean, I'm certainly not going to let the recycling police find my old sex toys in my trash... LOL!!!

[darkeyes]

This is what happens when you let the religious environmentalists shove their religious doctrine into the private lives of Americans. Reminds me a lot of the Taliban in Afghanistan circa 1998, cracking people in the head for not complying with their religious views. Recycle like nanny tells you how



Repent, reuse, recycle.... Nanny is watching you.

Well am all for recyclin stuff... think its a brill idea... planets resources r finite afta all.. we do wot we can an moren most.. but...

Soz.. re-use me tampons?? Recycle Lou's poopy nappies??? Kate's Always?? yea...rite...

An 1st person that says me shud use tery nappies will catch sharp enda me tongue!!!!! We use enuff leccie as it is washin every week... an thats on cool washes mostly... God knows how much leccie we wud use an add 2 greenhouse emissions if we hadta wash umpteen mucky nappies every day!! On the hottest wash!!!!! Leccie bill high enuff ta!!!! Will stik 2 disposables an ifya wanna recycle or re-use em..feel free.... ratha u than me!!!:tong:

[bisexualinsocal]

You got that right guys!!!

He is like a broken record----

I have a question for bisexualinsocal----are you against the whole notion of recycling?

No, in fact, I recycle, sometimes. Aluminum cans especially. Other times, recycling is an unmitigated waste of effort and natural resources. Since environmentalism is not my religion of choice, I don't need to recycle unnecessarily just to feel that I have purpose in my life.


I recycle as much as I can and if my trash hauler tells me that I am doing something wrong---I have no problem with that--I want to make it as easy as possible for them to do what they need to do.


Yeah it's too bad that's not what we're talking about here. We're not talking about a private company prying into your dirty underwear. We're talking about Nanny looking over your shoulder to make sure you're being a good dhimmi, recycling coffee grounds, reusing your plastic bags and mulching your "Holiday tree".


I do know of some people who hate the notion of recycling--and they tend to be older--which is something since at one time---everyone-- out of both being practical and patriotic people---gladly recycled. During WWII, you had no choice about recycling.

I still remember having milk bottles delivered to the front door that were left out when the milk was gone and bringing back sodapop bottles to the grocery.

Well now I'm sold. Taking soda pop bottles back to the grocery? Oh the romance of it all!


Now--we through everything away---we are going to one day---run out of places to bury the stuff.

Probably not and if anything, other places are gonna run out of places to bury stuff before America does. No one uses energy or resources more efficiently and cleanly than America. On top of that, more than any other country, America reuses the landfill land as public parks and golf courses.


Recycling makes sense----in so many ways.

Perhaps the biggest rap I have about, in general, the way modern conservative types are----they seem to hold the notion that "a man is an island." If you read what they write, listen to what they talk about--if you boil it down to its essential nature--it is all about "ME...ME...ME!!" and maybe a fair degree of hate is in there too!!

What a rash generalization! Let me guess, you also think that conservatives like me think that liberals are nothing but a bunch of pot toking fags, too. Right? Tell me what else you think. I want to know what other preconceived generalizations you have about conservatives.

Don't be shy about it either. I want to know. Let's hear what other hateful stereotypes you harbor.


They hate to pay taxes---they hate this--they hate that!!!! Obviously bisexualinsocal hates environmental stuff.

Nah, I recycle, cans. Aluminum ones.


They really seem to have no sense at all that we do live in an interconnected world--interconnected between and among people of all types--nations etc. and with a world filled with many other creatures-----

They, they, they, they, they.....

Wait, who's the one who has no "sense that we live in an interconnected world"? Me or you and your divisive language?

I can't help but believe you are engaging in a little bit of self-parody here. :santa:



It is all about they and theirs---and it seems that as long as they have whatever it is they want in life--- their view is: "fuck everyone and everything else!!"


"They, their, as long as they, they want, their view...." :santa:


Without your hatred for conservatives, you really have no position. It's like that guy Eric Hoffer said

"Passionate hatred can give purpose and meaning to an empty life".

I don't mean to say your life is empty, but without the vitriol and hyperbole, your opinion sure is.