FAO: "The Mage" (and anyone else who cares to read it)

[Skater Boy]

Mage, amigo... I can't help but notice that you're coming under quite a bit of scrutiny of late. Some of it seems, perhaps, to be warranted. The rest, perhaps provoked by the mood that you have previously induced in people.

Now... I have no beef with you whatsoever. In fact, I can relate to making posts for its own sake, and even not thinking things through thoroughly before posting them. I guess we can all be guilty of these things at times. Some more so than others, admittedly. And I'm the first to admit that I do them far more than I should.

Anyway, what I'm proposing (for the best interests of this forum, I'd like to think) is that we (and by "we" I refer to both you and me, and anyone else who would care to join us) should consciously make an effort to vet our posts before making them.

Its a similar concept to one which was taught to me when I used to study in a workshop environment... the saying used to be: "measure twice, cut once" meaning that since one usually only has a single attempt at the the task in hand, one should make a conscious effort to double-check the preparatory steps, in order that the final result will be according to the desired specifications.

Hopefully the parallel between my metaphor and our situation is apparent, but if not, I'll clarify it:

In our case, what I propose is that we all THINK TWICE and the POST ONCE, thereby double-checking our own logic (and the words which we use to communicate it) before we commit them eternally to their allotted space on the world wide web. Hopefully, this way we avoid making posts that are misguided, inaccurate, irrelevant, offensive or just plain crass.

Obviously this may not be a complete solution to the forum's problems. But I, for one, am willing to give it a go... since you have so aptly reminded me of my own shortcomings. And it would be nice if you (and anyone else who so wishes) were to join me. Hopefully together we can make this forum a more civil and pleasant place to spend time.

Just a suggestion... Whaddya think? :)

[jeancarleo]

I agree. I've noticed how some members argue in threads and it's sad because we're here as a bisexual group just wanting to know about each others experiences in the past and our opinions and to read someone attacking another is not nice for the rest of us.

Just reply to threads and if you have something against someone talk just to that person via private messages or e-mails or better yet in person.

:bipride::bigrin:

[mrplayfuluk]

Just reply to threads and if you have something against someone talk just to that person via private messages or e-mails or better yet in person.

:bipride::bigrin:[/QUOTE]

maybe it better we don't do that either afterall nothing on here is so life dependent, biting one's lip isn't such a bad thing... afterall this site should be supportive not critical and we should count ourselves lucky it exists!

[Skater Boy]

afterall this site should be supportive not critical and we should count ourselves lucky it exists!

Exactly. I would hate for Drew to get SO pissed off with all of our bickering that he shuts down the site, or just leaves it to rot. I've seen it happen on other forums in the past. and lets not forget that Drew has no obligation to provide us with the service that does. And at his own expense too.

[diB4u]

True very true, we all need to respect each other for indiviudals...

The only thing that we all have in common is that we all find men and women attractive in all they're/our disguises.

[ambi53mm]

Great advice Skater...you can count us in as well

Ambi:)

[DiamondDog]

Exactly. I would hate for Drew to get SO pissed off with all of our bickering that he shuts down the site, or just leaves it to rot. I've seen it happen on other forums in the past. and lets not forget that Drew has no obligation to provide us with the service that does. And at his own expense too.

I don't mean to flame you or play Devil's advocate; but nobody's going to listen to this or big post you wrote, especially not the mage, and this site has gone majorly downhill from what it used to be like years ago.

Sure the articles, free java magnetic erotic poetry, chatroom, and comics are nice but they get those on 3pillows.com too according to the site. The paying members of 3pillows.com even use the same java chatroom as this site has.

This site has already been left to rot. Drew seems to spend more time managing his porn site 3pillows.com where the money comes in, instead of managing bisexual.com that's a free site, or at least assigning moderators to do the work for him here on bisex.com when he's not around and people that are always around. I've seen a list of moderators/admins but I've never actually ever seen any of them here or posting besides Drew, and even he's not around here as much anymore or he doesn't enforce bannings or the rules here.

As far as forums and boards go this site is VERY poorly managed/moderated/run, and people here get away with things here that would get you instantly perma banned anywhere else on boards that are actually run/moderated correctly and where bannings are enforced and kept up.

A friend of mine who also posts here said how nowadays it's just a bunch of trolls, people majorly confused about their sexuality, fake bisexuals, and holier than thou new posters here.

[Skater Boy]

I don't mean to flame you or play Devil's advocate; but nobody's going to listen to this or big post you wrote, especially not the mage, and this site has gone majorly downhill from what it used to be like years ago.

Sure the articles, free java magnetic erotic poetry, chatroom, and comics are nice but they get those on 3pillows.com too according to the site. The paying members of 3pillows.com even use the same java chatroom as this site has.

This site has already been left to rot. Drew seems to spend more time managing his porn site 3pillows.com where the money comes in, instead of managing bisexual.com that's a free site, or at least assigning moderators to do the work for him here on bisex.com when he's not around and people that are always around. I've seen a list of moderators/admins but I've never actually ever seen any of them here or posting besides Drew, and even he's not around here as much anymore or he doesn't enforce bannings or the rules here.

As far as forums and boards go this site is VERY poorly managed/moderated/run, and people here get away with things here that would get you instantly perma banned anywhere else on boards that are actually run/moderated correctly and where bannings are enforced and kept up.

A friend of mine who also posts here said how nowadays it's just a bunch of trolls, people majorly confused about their sexuality, fake bisexuals, and holier than thou new posters here.

Well, criticisms taken. I hear what you're saying. But I'm reluctant to give up hope... at least whilst there are still some cool people dropping by from time to time. If everyone (myself included, obviously) made an effort, I'm sure we could bring the forum back up to a suitable standard... after all, its the members that make a forum what it is.

It might be worth us contacting Drew and asking him to designate some moderators. or at least asking him to ensure that any that may already exist do their jobs adequately.

But obviously I understand if y'all think the bridges have already been burned...

[the mage]

I've tried to be conciliatory, really I tried, but having every thought and word distorted and thrown back at me, my woman being called ugly, my being called a"bullshitter and a liar" for posting accurate info that, excuse me for caring, might just save a life here and there has made me unwilling to back down.
I've seen people die of AIDS. Worse, I've seen women utterly abandoned by men and family while dieing. NOONE calls me a bullshiter on this issue and goes unchallenged. Many an in person talk with gay men in suffering too.
The "community" is NOT there to see them die in the hospice bed.
The "community" goes to the fundraisers and the dinners to raise money. All good and needed, but fuck you, anyone out there who has not sat by the bedside of a 65 pound dieing adult,, you do NOT get to talk to me of death and suffering in this area. You do NOT get to presume all is well in the world. SORRY but its not.

I LIKE to talk about politics, so do other people.
I like to post nonsense now and then too. I still do.

I'd enjoy posting a few pics too, would you bother if you were me?
If you read the string you saw the venom displayed by the sick puppy. Even before the current string started he took pains to point out a negative opinion of her looks. How polite. How mature. How prophetic a response is that ..
No it was done for purely negative and insult value...This twit wants desperately to win his little war by getting me booted off here. by enraging me. tough. not working. Anger is managed...directed..
You're right, the experience of the site is degraded.
Care and support involves real life events. Real life events do not always involve fun and good times.


I dont care if someone doesn't like me, its not my job to perform to specification.
I will respond to attack upon me, upon women, upon common decency.
But I'd rather being having some enjoyable discussion of real life.
Maybe, gawd forbid the real future in store for us all.
Maybe a bit about using comdoms in fun ways.
Maybe the joys of a toke.
I'm not leaving.
I WILL temper my response. I leave it up to you, you can always just block me out.

[Kojak]

Well, criticisms taken. I hear what you're saying. But I'm reluctant to give up hope... at least whilst there are still some cool people dropping by from time to time. If everyone (myself included, obviously) made an effort, I'm sure we could bring the forum back up to a suitable standard... after all, its the members that make a forum what it is.

It might be worth us contacting Drew and asking him to designate some moderators. or at least asking him to ensure that any that may already exist do their jobs adequately.

But obviously I understand if y'all think the bridges have already been burned...

Having read all the previous posts,I see many people are very deep and perseptive and take things so damm serious,my question is why is there always this little saying at the bottom of each one and who thinks these up? or where do they get them from?

[Skater Boy]

I've tried to be conciliatory, really I tried, but having every thought and word distorted and thrown back at me, my woman being called ugly, my being called a"bullshitter and a liar" for posting accurate info that, excuse me for caring, might just save a life here and there has made me unwilling to back down.
I've seen people die of AIDS. Worse, I've seen women utterly abandoned by men and family while dieing. NOONE calls me a bullshiter on this issue and goes unchallenged. Many an in person talk with gay men in suffering too.
The "community" is NOT there to see them die in the hospice bed.
The "community" goes to the fundraisers and the dinners to raise money. All good and needed, but fuck you, anyone out there who has not sat by the bedside of a 65 pound dieing adult,, you do NOT get to talk to me of death and suffering in this area. You do NOT get to presume all is well in the world. SORRY but its not.

I LIKE to talk about politics, so do other people.
I like to post nonsense now and then too. I still do.

I'd enjoy posting a few pics too, would you bother if you were me?
If you read the string you saw the venom displayed by the sick puppy. Even before the current string started he took pains to point out a negative opinion of her looks. How polite. How mature. How prophetic a response is that ..
No it was done for purely negative and insult value...This twit wants desperately to win his little war by getting me booted off here. by enraging me. tough. not working. Anger is managed...directed..
You're right, the experience of the site is degraded.
Care and support involves real life events. Real life events do not always involve fun and good times.


I dont care if someone doesn't like me, its not my job to perform to specification.
I will respond to attack upon me, upon women, upon common decency.
But I'd rather being having some enjoyable discussion of real life.
Maybe, gawd forbid the real future in store for us all.
Maybe a bit about using comdoms in fun ways.
Maybe the joys of a toke.
I'm not leaving.
I WILL temper my response. I leave it up to you, you can always just block me out.

Thanks for responding, Mage.

Now, in all honesty, I think DD is not the ONLY one at fault... I think we ALL need to censor ourselves at some point... you and me included.

You are obviously free to raise the (perfectly valid and relevant) issue of HIV/AIDS, but if you are going to do so, please do so in reasonable way, respecting people's feelings, their boundaries and their patience. And be sure that what you post is actually accurate... or else clearly state that its just an opinion.

You are also obviously free to raise the issue of drugs (by all means... no-one really minds if you wish to use them) but please adhere to the recommendations above.

Likewise with politics.

Anyway, THANK YOU sincerely for agreeing to temper your responses... I think thats a positive step, at least. But I do hope you will join me in the pre-emptive strike mentioned in the original post.

[Skater Boy]

[OFF TOPIC]



Having read all the previous posts,I see many people are very deep and perseptive and take things so damm serious,my question is why is there always this little saying at the bottom of each one and who thinks these up? or where do they get them from?

It took me a while to realize what you meant. But I think you're referring to people's signatures. I find mine using websites (or books) that specialize in quotes. Just try typing "quotes" into the Google.com search engine and you'll get loads of relevant websites. eg: http://www.brainyquote.com/ or http://www.quotegarden.com/

[DiamondDog]

I've tried to be conciliatory, really I tried, but having every thought and word distorted and thrown back at me, my woman being called ugly, my being called a"bullshitter and a liar" for posting accurate info that, excuse me for caring, might just save a life here and there has made me unwilling to back down.
I've seen people die of AIDS. Worse, I've seen women utterly abandoned by men and family while dieing. NOONE calls me a bullshiter on this issue and goes unchallenged. Many an in person talk with gay men in suffering too.
The "community" is NOT there to see them die in the hospice bed.
The "community" goes to the fundraisers and the dinners to raise money. All good and needed, but fuck you, anyone out there who has not sat by the bedside of a 65 pound dieing adult,, you do NOT get to talk to me of death and suffering in this area. You do NOT get to presume all is well in the world. SORRY but its not.

I LIKE to talk about politics, so do other people.
I like to post nonsense now and then too. I still do.

I'd enjoy posting a few pics too, would you bother if you were me?
If you read the string you saw the venom displayed by the sick puppy. Even before the current string started he took pains to point out a negative opinion of her looks. How polite. How mature. How prophetic a response is that ..
No it was done for purely negative and insult value...This twit wants desperately to win his little war by getting me booted off here. by enraging me. tough. not working. Anger is managed...directed..
You're right, the experience of the site is degraded.
Care and support involves real life events. Real life events do not always involve fun and good times.


I dont care if someone doesn't like me, its not my job to perform to specification.
I will respond to attack upon me, upon women, upon common decency.
But I'd rather being having some enjoyable discussion of real life.
Maybe, gawd forbid the real future in store for us all.
Maybe a bit about using comdoms in fun ways.
Maybe the joys of a toke.
I'm not leaving.
I WILL temper my response. I leave it up to you, you can always just block me out.

*yawn* More hypocirsy, faux feminism, flaming, egomania, and BS from you like usual.

You post blanket statements about HIV and other STDs, give just plain wrong information out about HIV, STDs, and other subjects regarding sexual health, and you don't even have credible sources or even valid information to back any of it up with.

I've posted tons of examples of you doing this and people can see it for themselves and talk about how you don't know what you're talking about when you write about sexual health, HIV, and other STDs here.

If people want truthful information about STDs and HIV they should go to a doctor or an STD clinic and actually ask the trained professionals there and not ask complete strangers online like you who post false info about HIV and other STDs. Or there are even sites run by doctors who are A LOT more credible to give out accurate information than you yourself are.

Stop having such a martyr complex and acting like you're better than everyone else because you pretend to care.

I'm not the only person here who challenges you and your false opinions, and many others have done the same.

Don't blame me, for everything that happened. Don't blame me because you can't control your temper, emotions, and you lashed out threatening me with physical violence and abuse when myself and others did not agree with your wrong information, 20 year outdated, and biphobic information that you post about a subject such as HIV and how heterosexual women get it.

You're the one who started all of this when you posted biphobic and 20 year outdated information about how ALL hetero women who get HIV somehow magically get it from bisexual male partners who are of course cheating on them, and then you flipped out since you can't control your emotions and can't stand being told that you're wrong.

You also assume tons of things about people in general who post here, without even knowing if it's true or not.

You throw tantrums and flip out at the slightest thing or if someone challenges your opinion or posts an unpopular opinion, and you constantly flalme people and troll and think you can get away with it.

So you're paranoid and think I'm trying to wage a "battle" or a "war" or something. Try acting more like an emotionally stable and mature adult your age and just start saying "Sorry I was wrong about that topic.", or "Wow! I never knew that, thanks for telling me!", and move on with your life like everyone else does.

If you don't want people saying negative things about your wife's appearance, don't put her picture on the internet at all, don't put her picture on porn sites, and don't put her picture on sites that are designed to rate people by their appearance and how hot/not hot they are like you did.

So I'm not attracted to most women that I see. Big deal, why does it matter to you? I know I'm probably in the minority here on this site but that's how it is for me, I'm happy with myself, and that's all that matters.

You can talk the talk but you can't walk the walk when it all comes down to it.

[Skater Boy]

Mage, DiamondDog has made some valid points above. IF you decide to respond to any of them, please do so in a calm and constructive manner. Everybody knows how you two currently feel, so there's no point in reiterating personal attacks... lets just put our emotions on ice temporarily... thanks again.

[Doggie_Wood]

Shit! This reminds me of the bickering Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson used to have about who was going to actually be the general manager of the Dallas Cowboys. Sheeeeesh!!!

:doggie:

[TaylorMade]

Shit! This reminds me of the bickering Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson used to have about who was going to actually be the general manager of the Dallas Cowboys. Sheeeeesh!!!

:doggie:

Or Daniel Snyder and the last 4-5 coaches of the Redskins.

Just more leather and feathers. :p

*Taylor*

[gfofbiguy]

I do hope this helps with the forums...I am definitely with you on this. I know I also have been guilty of "posting before thinking" - especially about topics that really get my ire up. I joined this site to support my boyfriend, to learn more about bisexuality and talk to others as well. I have "met" some very awesome people here, and I enjoy reading and posting on the forums myself - the silly ones as well as the more serious ones. I have learned a lot during my short time here and have made some new friends. But with this recent bickering and all, this site is becoming a place I don't enjoy to spend time on as much and I don't even care to post much anymore, which is sad. I hope this will change for the better, Skater, because of this thread. Thank you for starting it...

[the mage]

*yawn* More hypocirsy, faux feminism, flaming, egomania, and BS from you like usual.


My feminism is real. I'm very pro female. In terms of gender issues and workplace equality N.A. has a long way to go. You constantly say this as though its a negative thing.. Why is that? You who have said in your own words that you dislike women and don't like to be around then for long periods and haver never had an LTR with one. Yet you admit to having tied them up.
You admit to bad experience with them. My ex wife is still a good friend, she is friends with my current G/f. Both are successful career women. That is good relationships.
I disregard your usual insults.

You post blanket statements about HIV and other STDs, give just plain wrong information out about HIV, STDs, and other subjects regarding sexual health, and you don't even have credible sources or even valid information to back any of it up with.


..............once again you generalize and obfuscate. Tell us what info i gave that is wrong. You love to pick and paste little bits of postings go find a specific thing that I lied about. Find a source to disclaim it
I challenge you here and now to start a thread on HIV alone. Ask me any question. If i do not know that answer I will tell you and WE can ALL find it on the many many sites out there. If U.N. AIDs is not credible enough for you then puppy I dont know what to say.

here is a world renown site here...
http://www.thebody.com/

here is another..

http://www.intheknowpeel.ca/






I've posted tons of examples of you doing this and people can see it for themselves and talk about how you don't know what you're talking about when you write about sexual health, HIV, and other STDs here.

If people want truthful information about STDs and HIV they should go to a doctor or an STD clinic and actually ask the trained professionals there and not ask complete strangers online like you who post false info about HIV and other STDs. Or there are even sites run by doctors who are A LOT more credible to give out accurate information than you yourself are.


..............I REPEATEDLY SAY THIS.. I also say PLAY SAFE but apparently the word "play" is not good enough for my use is it? WHY does this make this info I post BULLSHIT and LIES????

Stop having such a martyr complex and acting like you're better than everyone else because you pretend to care.
......Unlike you who has posted here that "everyone lies online all the time"
I am not a chronic liar. I do in fact CARE. I claim no complex problem other than getting thru to your thick head that what you do not read correctly or check into deeply enough or understand is by definition lies.
Get this.. some people care.. You'd better fucking hope they are still around when you eventually need them.

Why not ask for info instead of declaring the informer that hes a liar ?

I'm not the only person here who challenges you and your false opinions, and many others have done the same.

None have so DISGUSTING SO PIGGISH SO ABUSIVELY AGGRESSIVELY IGNORANT OF ANY PRECEPT OF CIVILITY AS YOU.

Don't blame me, for everything that happened. Don't blame me because you can't control your temper, emotions, and you lashed out threatening me with physical violence and abuse when myself and others did not agree with your wrong information, 20 year outdated, and biphobic information that you post about a subject such as HIV and how heterosexual women get it.


Well the first time you ranted on this way it was "25 years" then 20 go figure..
AIDS was defined as a disease 26 years ago.
The guy who has never had an LTR is lecturing me on bi phobic..
the same guy tells all online how I'M not able to have relationships with men.. huh.. funny funny puppy.. My son has asked me more that once to be his safety call for an evening..If you really play D/s puppy and you know what you're doing then you know the importance and the intimacy needed for this.. That is GOOD relations.

You're the one who started all of this when you posted biphobic and 20 year outdated information about how ALL hetero women who get HIV somehow magically get it from bisexual male partners who are of course cheating on them, and then you flipped out since you can't control your emotions and can't stand being told that you're wrong.

This really bothered you eh puppy? First, you again obfuscate...
I NEVER said such a thing about HIv..
Here is the data 55% of NEw infections are female. 65% of those females are infected by men who either lie about unsafe sexual contacts or force unsafe sex upon unwiling women. 20% of new female infection is drug use. 15% is "other" There, now find a source to dispute it..

I would still see you down for the things you still say about the violated thread... THAT IN ITSELF MAKES YOU A PIG AND DANGEROUS.
Read the thing as written Take it at face value,, And hey how about this.. how about you ask about the testing I've had to do since that ignorant lieing fuck did that?? How about that eh?? Ya you go on about support here ya right...

You also assume tons of things about people in general who post here, without even knowing if it's true or not.

..........you CREATE UTTER LIES and go on and on reposting the lies.

You throw tantrums and flip out at the slightest thing or if someone challenges your opinion or posts an unpopular opinion, and you constantly flalme people and troll and think you can get away with it.

..........you are the only one i openly track down If you had a reasonable mind you'd read the real and rational response I've made to several people new here.

So you're paranoid and think I'm trying to wage a "battle" or a "war" or something. Try acting more like an emotionally stable and mature adult your age and just start saying "Sorry I was wrong about that topic.", or "Wow! I never knew that, thanks for telling me!", and move on with your life like everyone else does.

..............being called pig and bullshiter and a liar by you does not make any OPINION I have intrinsically wrong. You have yet to show a fact to be wrong. I showed your posting on the weed study to be tainted. That pissed you off too didn't it? You didn't read it thru and I did...

If you don't want people saying negative things about your wife's appearance, don't put her picture on the internet at all, don't put her picture on porn sites, and don't put her picture on sites that are designed to rate people by their appearance and how hot/not hot they are like you did.


...........you called her assorted names the same which an amerikan tourist paid for with his life on Toronto's street's last year.
There was REAL NEED to call her "ugly" "CRACK HEAD LIKE" wasn't there. As I said you have the social grace of a petulant child.

Do you think people think highly of you when you call what is in reality another caring sensitive human being "ugly" just to piss off a rival??
Ugly is very real and it is in you.

So I'm not attracted to most women that I see. Big deal, why does it matter to you? I know I'm probably in the minority here on this site but that's how it is for me, I'm happy with myself, and that's all that matters.

..................Im not attracted to most men I see. Big Deal Why does it matter? etc etc..
.Seems a double standard that you constantly berate me and disqualify offhand my life experience as invalid. A life of which i again point you know NOTHING other than my posting here. As for not having "relationships" with men..i laugh..

You do go on about yourself and your minority position here. Paranoia??
you love to say how this place is so shitty huh. right..
You attack with the spew of a child told not to play in the sand. You do not use reason in your postings to argue You use name calling innuendo and the constant repetition of the same ole same ole round and round ..you need to get in much better touch with your endocanibinnoid system.



You can talk the talk but you can't walk the walk when it all comes down to it.
..............................Puppy you are so far behind you think you are winning.

I am entitled to opinion as are you all. I will defend my position as do you all.

I messed up the quote thing again oh welll

[TaylorMade]

Mage, SkaterBoy said:


Mage, DiamondDog has made some valid points above. IF you decide to respond to any of them, please do so in a calm and constructive manner. Everybody knows how you two currently feel, so there's no point in reiterating personal attacks... lets just put our emotions on ice temporarily... thanks again.

You don't freaking listen.

Aw, fuck it.

I swear, I am so tempted to sign you both up on American Gladiators and have you two fight to first blood and never speak of it again.

*Taylor*

[gfofbiguy]

Mage, SkaterBoy said:



You don't freaking listen.

Aw, fuck it.

I swear, I am so tempted to sign you both up on American Gladiators and have you two fight to first blood and never speak of it again.

*Taylor*

I second that...

[the mage]

Mage, SkaterBoy said:



You don't freaking listen.

Aw, fuck it.

I swear, I am so tempted to sign you both up on American Gladiators and have you two fight to first blood and never speak of it again.

*Taylor*


...........................well geeze man what is it you want said?
......If you're looking for smiles and apologies its not going to happen.
I'm telling you flat out that the distortion of the FACTS of the events that transpired in my life by DD and his up to the minute assertion that its all false and that I somehow enjoyed the betrayal shows him to be able to distort things he no knowledge of to tell his own lies.
He is unapologetic as I remain for my reaction.
As to data it speaks for itself.

[TaylorMade]

...........................well geeze man what is it you want said?
......If you're looking for smiles and apologies its not going to happen.
I'm telling you flat out that the distortion of the FACTS of the events that transpired in my life by DD and his up to the minute assertion that its all false and that I somehow enjoyed the betrayal shows him to be able to distort things he no knowledge of to tell his own lies.
He is unapologetic as I remain for my reaction.
As to data it speaks for itself.

Maybe mutual pressing of the ignore buttons is best for the both of you. PLEASE.

*Taylor*

[Skater Boy]

Maybe mutual pressing of the ignore buttons is best for the both of you. PLEASE.

Yup, that might be best. If clicking "ignore" enables you to not see posts made by the members that you're ignoring (as it does on some other forums), then I'm all for DD and Mage reaching for their mechanical mice and left-clicking away. It would certainly reduce the number of arguments we have to wade through in each thread...

[OcalaCouple683]

Yup, that might be best. If clicking "ignore" enables you to not see posts made by the members that you're ignoring (as it does on some other forums), then I'm all for DD and Mage reaching for their mechanical mice and left-clicking away. It would certainly reduce the number of arguments we have to wade through in each thread...

That sounds like a great idea! :)

[jem_is_bi]

For this particular battle, it would be better if it could all directed to a single thread topic named the mage versus DD because, their attack/counterattack rapidly deviates from all original topics. I like some controversy and difference of opinion but this battle permeates all discourse on the forum.

I like pointed witty, sarcastic, humorous attack and counter attack. MY advice is to ignore minor transgressions and save energy for the big battles.
I hope this alternative mode of interaction shows a little life soon.

JEM

[csrakate]

The fact of the matter is that we are giving these two far too much power to disrupt the forum by allowing them to upset the rest of us. I say that we all ignore their pissing match and let them each burn themselves out with the vitriol they are spewing.

I have held my tongue long enough in this matter....each time it has erupted I figured it was the last...but NO...it just goes on and on.....Time to give it up fellas....we just don't give a damn anymore!

Hugs to the rest of you who tried so hard to bring about harmony....Bless you for trying!

Kate

[DiamondDog]

..............................Puppy you are so far behind you think you are winning.

I am entitled to opinion as are you all. I will defend my position as do you all.

I messed up the quote thing again oh welll

Learn how to use the quote function correctly, how to write, and how to reply to posts.

Again you're assuming way too much about me that's not correct like you do with everyone else here.

I've never tied up a woman, and yes I have dated women. I'm perfectly capable of falling in love and having a relationship with a woman but I don't have time for a relationship and there are other reasons too.

Even if I had tied up a woman, why would that somehow matter, or even be something horrible or bad?

You're the one who goes on and on about how people should be sexually free and about how anything that goes on between consenting adults sexually is fine, and how much you're into BDSM.

You've got major issues with your sexuality and this just proves it.

I don't care either way about the study on Cannabis smoke containing known carcinogens. I just don't delude myself and live in complete denial that smoking anything isn't bad for your lungs and respitory system.

You're not a scientist or a doctor, or even highly educated, so why even ramble on and on about things you clearly don't know shit about such as the human CNS, carcinogens, neuroscience, HIV/STDs, and Endocannabinoids? Hell, you can't even spell Endocannabinoid correctly.

Your feminism is fake and you simply post it to attract attention, get false sympathy, and you simply don't know what you're talking about since you're a man and you're not a woman or female. It's also very western and you don't think outside the box with at all.

So you got tested after that guy fucked you. Good for you. Everyone should be tested, no matter what their orientation and gender is.

You yourself made the choice to have sex with a total stranger, do a consensual "rape" scene complete with bondage/sensory deprivation with him, continue to keep having sex with him and keep consenting to it, and how do we know you didn't say things while in the heat of the moment like, "yeah! Fuck my ass! Fuck me! Fuck me!"?

Both people here are responsible for what happened. You're even big into doing consensual "rape" scenes with complete strangers, doing BDSM with complete strangers, and you have rape fantasies as you're very open about all of this in your postings here.

You also decided to post about it just to gather sympathy, cry wolf, and feed your ego when you weren't raped at all.

I myself have seen the aftermath of rape on men and women. If you'd really been raped you'd be having Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, constant flashbacks, and you wouldn't have acted written about it so calm, nonchalant, and have been glamorizing the whole experience.

I never said that your girlfriend looks like a crack head. I said she has thin hair like someone who smokes meth, not cocaine. Having hair like that isn't sexy at all.

As far as posting things you've written about, lied about on here, or the false information that you spread out of chronological order go, get used to it!

People do this on forums and even you don't know how to correctly quote someone or reply to their posts.

I have many people who care about me. I don't post about my personal life on here since it's pointless.

I don't think that you care about anybody anyway since your disrespectful posts towards myself and others show this major aspect of your personality.

So you're stalking, constantly flaming, threataning me with violence, and harassing me since you said that you read every single post I write and reply to it and flame me. Why you're still not permanently banned and kicked off of this site is a mystery since you purposely violate the rules, are a troll, and you are disrespectful to people here.

I'm not the paranoid one here Brian. You yourself are. I don't care that I lean towards men even if most men here like yourself do not.

I don't create lies about what you say, you yourself do this. You're an example of a person that lies on the internet and who needs an audience all the time too.

You yourself attack with vemon, spew, name calling, and you don't use reasoning/logic in your postings.

When I mean relationships with men, I mean having a boyfriend or a husband.

The type of relationship I'm talking about is both a romantic and sexual relationship with a man. You're not having the type of relationship I'm talking about with your adult son, unless of course you do happen to be into that sort of thing.

I myself am capable of having romantic and sexual relationships with both men and women, and others; but that's besides the point.

Yes your posts here are a rather valid representation of how you are as a person, and show the horrible aspects of your personality that come out such as your heterosexism, physically and psychologically abusive personality, and your major child like tantrums that you throw when things don't go your way or you're proven wrong.

If people actually want truthful or valid information about HIV and other STDs they should go to a doctor or an STD testing clinic and ask medical professionals there and not complete strangers on the internet like yourself who post false information and just spew absolute garbage and don't know anything about HIV and other STDs.

You're the dangerous one here Brian. You post wrong and false information about HIV and other STDs and thankfully nobody actually believes your false information that you constantly spew.

I'll say it again, if you actually want truthful and factual information about HIV and other STDs go to a doctor or an STD clinic with trained professionals and don't ask random strangers online like the mage who just talk out of their ass say that it's perfectly safe to swallow or have someone cum in your mouth.

Brian, don't bother replying to this since it's pointless and only you care.

Taylor-If the mage and I were matched up like that, I'd win since he's paranoid about getting my blood on him.

JEM-Don't bother creating a thread like that, I'm not going to reply to it.

Kate-You're correct. I don't care about Brian/the mage and his false and dangerous information that he posts, he's a complete fool when it comes to such subjects.

[dafydd]

Learn how to use the quote function correctly, how to write, and how to reply to posts.

Again you're assuming way too much about me that's not correct like you do with everyone else here.

I've never tied up a woman, and yes I have dated women. I'm perfectly capable of falling in love and having a relationship with a woman but I don't have time for a relationship and there are other reasons too.

Even if I had tied up a woman, why would that somehow matter, or even be something horrible or bad?

You're the one who goes on and on about how people should be sexually free and about how anything that goes on between consenting adults sexually is fine, and how much you're into BDSM.

You've got major issues with your sexuality and this just proves it.

I don't care either way about the study on Cannabis smoke containing known carcinogens. I just don't delude myself and live in complete denial that smoking anything isn't bad for your lungs and respitory system.

You're not a scientist or a doctor, or even highly educated, so why even ramble on and on about things you clearly don't know shit about such as the human CNS, carcinogens, neuroscience, HIV/STDs, and Endocannabinoids? Hell, you can't even spell Endocannabinoid correctly.

Your feminism is fake and you simply post it to attract attention, get false sympathy, and you simply don't know what you're talking about since you're a man and you're not a woman or female. It's also very western and you don't think outside the box with at all.

So you got tested after that guy fucked you. Good for you. Everyone should be tested, no matter what their orientation and gender is.

You yourself made the choice to have sex with a total stranger, do a consensual "rape" scene complete with bondage/sensory deprivation with him, continue to keep having sex with him and keep consenting to it, and how do we know you didn't say things while in the heat of the moment like, "yeah! Fuck my ass! Fuck me! Fuck me!"?

Both people here are responsible for what happened. You're even big into doing consensual "rape" scenes with complete strangers, doing BDSM with complete strangers, and you have rape fantasies as you're very open about all of this in your postings here.

You also decided to post about it just to gather sympathy, cry wolf, and feed your ego when you weren't raped at all.

I myself have seen the aftermath of rape on men and women. If you'd really been raped you'd be having Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, constant flashbacks, and you wouldn't have acted written about it so calm, nonchalant, and have been glamorizing the whole experience.

I never said that your girlfriend looks like a crack head. I said she has thin hair like someone who smokes meth, not cocaine. Having hair like that isn't sexy at all.

As far as posting things you've written about, lied about on here, or the false information that you spread out of chronological order go, get used to it!

People do this on forums and even you don't know how to correctly quote someone or reply to their posts.

I have many people who care about me. I don't post about my personal life on here since it's pointless.

I don't think that you care about anybody anyway since your disrespectful posts towards myself and others show this major aspect of your personality.

So you're stalking, constantly flaming, threataning me with violence, and harassing me since you said that you read every single post I write and reply to it and flame me. Why you're still not permanently banned and kicked off of this site is a mystery since you purposely violate the rules, are a troll, and you are disrespectful to people here.

I'm not the paranoid one here Brian. You yourself are. I don't care that I lean towards men even if most men here like yourself do not.

I don't create lies about what you say, you yourself do this. You're an example of a person that lies on the internet and who needs an audience all the time too.

You yourself attack with vemon, spew, name calling, and you don't use reasoning/logic in your postings.

When I mean relationships with men, I mean having a boyfriend or a husband.

The type of relationship I'm talking about is both a romantic and sexual relationship with a man. You're not having the type of relationship I'm talking about with your adult son, unless of course you do happen to be into that sort of thing.

I myself am capable of having romantic and sexual relationships with both men and women, and others; but that's besides the point.

Yes your posts here are a rather valid representation of how you are as a person, and show the horrible aspects of your personality that come out such as your heterosexism, physically and psychologically abusive personality, and your major child like tantrums that you throw when things don't go your way or you're proven wrong.

If people actually want truthful or valid information about HIV and other STDs they should go to a doctor or an STD testing clinic and ask medical professionals there and not complete strangers on the internet like yourself who post false information and just spew absolute garbage and don't know anything about HIV and other STDs.

You're the dangerous one here Brian. You post wrong and false information about HIV and other STDs and thankfully nobody actually believes your false information that you constantly spew.

I'll say it again, if you actually want truthful and factual information about HIV and other STDs go to a doctor or an STD clinic with trained professionals and don't ask random strangers online like the mage who just talk out of their ass say that it's perfectly safe to swallow or have someone cum in your mouth.

Brian, don't bother replying to this since it's pointless and only you care.

Taylor-If the mage and I were matched up like that, I'd win since he's paranoid about getting my blood on him.

JEM-Don't bother creating a thread like that, I'm not going to reply to it.

Kate-You're correct. I don't care about Brian/the mage and his false and dangerous information that he posts, he's a complete fool when it comes to such subjects.

maybe you should leave if you dislike this forum so much. no one is forcing u to post here, although you do seem to spend an inordinate amount of time writing messages. slagging someone off for not using the correct 'quoting' or 'replying' function is the lowest common denominator. I check in and out of this site infrequently. for you DD it seems that this site is a BIG part of your life. If you critique it so, then find somewhere else. All this petty bickering is rather tired.

d.

[open4bizness]

The fact of the matter is that we are giving these two far too much power to disrupt the forum by allowing them to upset the rest of us. I say that we all ignore their pissing match and let them each burn themselves out with the vitriol they are spewing.

I have held my tongue long enough in this matter....each time it has erupted I figured it was the last...but NO...it just goes on and on.....Time to give it up fellas....we just don't give a damn anymore!

Hugs to the rest of you who tried so hard to bring about harmony....Bless you for trying!

Kate

I think I love you. ;) :bigrin:

[DiamondDog]

maybe you should leave if you dislike this forum so much. no one is forcing u to post here, although you do seem to spend an inordinate amount of time writing messages. slagging someone off for not using the correct 'quoting' or 'replying' function is the lowest common denominator. I check in and out of this site infrequently. for you DD it seems that this site is a BIG part of your life. If you critique it so, then find somewhere else. All this petty bickering is rather tired.

d.

I have a life of my own that keeps me busy outside of this site. Thank you very much.

Telling someone they don't know how to quote/reply is not the lowest common denominator. I've seen a lot worse things.

I'm not going to list examples here since it's pointless.

I'll say it again, if you actually want truthful and factual information about HIV and other STDs go to a doctor or an STD clinic with trained professionals and ask them questions.

Don't ask random strangers online or trust their information like the guy who I replied to in my last post who just talk out of their ass say that it's perfectly safe to swallow or have someone cum in your mouth, and that heterosexuals in North America/Europe, and the UK don't need to worry about getting HIV from their sexual partners at all since they're not in Africa/Asia.

[dafydd]

I have a life of my own that keeps me busy outside of this site. Thank you very much.

Telling someone they don't know how to quote/reply is not the lowest common denominator. I've seen a lot worse things.

I'm not going to list examples here since it's pointless.

I'll say it again, if you actually want truthful and factual information about HIV and other STDs go to a doctor or an STD clinic with trained professionals and ask them questions.

Don't ask random strangers online or trust their information like the guy who I replied to in my last post who just talk out of their ass say that it's perfectly safe to swallow or have someone cum in your mouth, and that heterosexuals in North America/Europe, and the UK don't need to worry about getting HIV from their sexual partners at all since they're not in Africa/Asia.

Risks from oral sex is not a black or white issue. There are many mitigating factors which might increase or decrease risk. If your gums are healthy and there are no sores or cuts in the mouth or on the penis then oral sex is relatively safe. Most health care workers I have seen are advising this to their clients. However, for some people wearing a condom during oral sex provides them with that much more security. I have never done it and consider myself someone pretty well versed in safer sex strategies.

d

[dafydd]

I have a life of my own that keeps me busy outside of this site. Thank you very much.

Telling someone they don't know how to quote/reply is not the lowest common denominator. I've seen a lot worse things.



It's like attacking somebody for their spelling. pretty petty.

d

[DiamondDog]

Risks from oral sex is not a black or white issue. There are many mitigating factors which might increase or decrease risk. If your gums are healthy and there are no sores or cuts in the mouth or on the penis then oral sex is relatively safe. Most health care workers I have seen are advising this to their clients. However, for some people wearing a condom during oral sex provides them with that much more security. I have never done it and consider myself someone pretty well versed in safer sex strategies.

d

yeah but you can get HIV and other STDs that won't kill you but are still really bad and that you don't want to have from swallowing and giving oral sex, and your chances for getting HIV and other STDs are greatly increased if you let someone cum in your mouth.

There's no such thing as safe sex, as ALL sex carries a risk for disease, and sex has never been "safe" as STDs have always been around, and giving oral sex does carry a risk for getting HIV so it's not "safer" or "safe".

Of course there are people who are very lucky who get fucked bareback by someone who is HIV+, letting them cum inside their anus or they swallow them, once or even multiple times, and they don't seroconvert.

People really should be asking trained professionals like doctors and people from health/STD clinics these questions instead of going to random strangers on the internet.

I've seen people attack others for their spelling on here and what's the big deal? There's built in spell check for browsers, and dictionaries and all sorts of resources. My point is that I've seen worse things happen to people when they get flamed on boards.

[Tingly_Tickles]

I'm just going to toss in my two cents here and explain something that doesn't seem to
have been explained yet on this forum at all.

It is a forum it is on the internet and therefore it will have mistypes it will have errors and
it will have people arguing over a little of something or a little of nothing no matter what.

So h3r3 y0u g0 I h4v3 n0w Ju5t me55ed up /\/\y po5t and incorrectly spelled some things
out so that way it will be noted that it is public it is a forum and it doesn't matter who
wants to bicker back and forth it's going to happen.

Please though do us all a favor who are here and want to chat, make friends, or just hang
out in general. Either keep a single thread for yourselves making the title of it stating who
the people arguing are and no one else will enter or post such nonsense or just don't
write it at all.

I don't care either way if you decide to fight it out in words or beat each others brains
out in public I'm not going to stop you and I'm not going to sit around and watch but
more so I'm going to continue to try and just be a positive on this open and public
forum.

Enjoy your day everyone I just gave my opinion that's all it was doesn't matter if you
wanna flame it to me or not because since it's a forum on the internet I don't care go
ahead make yourself look like an immature child.

[dafydd]

yeah but you can get HIV and other STDs that won't kill you but are still really bad and that you don't want to have from swallowing and giving oral sex, and your chances for getting HIV and other STDs are greatly increased if you let someone cum in your mouth.

There's no such thing as safe sex, as ALL sex carries a risk for disease, and sex has never been "safe" as STDs have always been around, and giving oral sex does carry a risk for getting HIV so it's not "safer" or "safe".

Of course there are people who are very lucky who get fucked bareback by someone who is HIV+, letting them cum inside their anus or they swallow them, once or even multiple times, and they don't seroconvert.

People really should be asking trained professionals like doctors and people from health/STD clinics these questions instead of going to random strangers on the internet.

I've seen people attack others for their spelling on here and what's the big deal? There's built in spell check for browsers, and dictionaries and all sorts of resources. My point is that I've seen worse things happen to people when they get flamed on boards.

It just seems that attacking someone for spelling or hitting the incorrect button seems like grasping for straws when you've run out of intelligent debate.

d

[DiamondDog]

It just seems that attacking someone for spelling or hitting the incorrect button seems like grasping for straws when you've run out of intelligent debate.

d

How's all of this "intelligent" debate?

I was dealing with a troll who was once banned for theataning me with physical violence/psychological abuse, that does nothing more but flame, stalk, attack, and harass myself and other people. Not to mention all of the wrong/false info about HIV/other STDs that the mage would ramble on about and spew about without actually knowing anything or having any real sources to back his claims up with.

I'm ready to let this thread die and move on.

I don't care who "won" or "lost" as it's pointless. Brian/the mage is still ignorant and is going to remain this way, and nobody actually cares about all of this except him. He's just a troll and a drama queen who gets a big thrill out of getting attention from other people to boost his pathetic ego.

[onewhocares]

I must say that I am not normally one to get involved in controversial issues, but I feel the time has come, like Skater had to say, enough is enough. When does the madness stop? We are not children here, yet at times I feel as if one person is mad because their playing buddy has a new toy or bike that they do not have and they want to get even. Grow up! God knows I am old enough to see so much time wasted on items which could generate more concrete positive discussion. Ok….so you may not agree on a comment or misinformation, but as someone said... post to it once and take the PM method of try to get your point across further.

In addition…..to critique Drew on HIS running of HIS site is not something which I feel is warranted. We are here at HIS generosity and interest. Yes, his paying site is what makes our being here possible, I believe. For me I have NO issue in paying for this site on my own if that is what it shall come to be. I do want to loose the wonderful friends, yes true friends whom I have had the pleasure to meet here. I also want those who come after me to be able to have the access that I have had. Like Kate, the constant bickering and who is the one who will get the last word is not serving any purpose but to fuel fires.

In a world where there is already enough fighting and torment, must we, we who came to this site to find camaraderie, friendship, understanding and compassion wage war against ourselves? I think not. Life is far too short and we each need to look within ourselves to try and make this arena one where everyone is welcome, and yes distinctive and varing viewpoints shall exist, but let us try and use a sense of civility and down right caring for those around us before we loose, as was mentioned earlier….our site.

You may or may not look at my comments and pass it off or you can think about them and try to make a difference. If YOU have a comment, address it to me privately and not ire others.

PS….I too have always been a proponent of measure twice, cut once……it works, it really does!

Belle

[the mage]

HI EVERYBODY!!
I return once again a few days older and wiser...
I'd already decided that the ignore feature would be sought out upon my return!
It has been utilized to all our betterment I'm sure.

I expected and indeed read more attack and no data.
I thank the poster who, also a tad less hysterical, posted some real life. I would point out that to my knowledge which comes from health care workers and passed on to me is that there have been very few (only 2 they'd heard of planet wide) verified cases of HIV transmission thru a healthy mouth..
All bets are off for all other STI's in fact there is HUGE risk of transmitting several STI's thru oral. HIV is not one to worry about.

Here is a practical note. In medical circles the term STD is now replaced in the lexicon by STI. Sexually transmitted infection as opposed to( D )disease.

The word RAPE is no longer used in Legal terminology here in Canada. It is sexual assault. Degree of severity determined by circumstance.

Also for safety sake, I point out that there is no HIV virus in sperm.
"Pulling out" just before cumming or spitting V/s swallowing the cum load does little to alter the receivers exposure. The HIV is in the Semen, the precum. which flows from the start of sexual excitement is where all the virus is.
You are perfectly safe from this virus unless you let it in your blood stream or body cavity. Safe proper condom use will keep you much much safer but there are NO guarantees in life.
All non

[Azrael]

You throw tantrums and flip out at the slightest thing or if someone challenges your opinion or posts an unpopular opinion, and you constantly flalme people and troll and think you can get away with it.



Pretty much. He can play historical revisionist/faux feminist/pseudo intellectual all he wants. Most of us are not fooled by his shtick.

[jem_is_bi]

Pretty much. He can play historical revisionist/faux feminist/pseudo intellectual all he wants. Most of us are not fooled by his shtick.

Most of us do not need protection from exposure to misinformation or outrageous statements. On the web, including this site, good information and misinformation and outrageous dialog are commonly encountered.

Although, reasoned rebuttal is best way to deal with misinformation, I admit that I am guilty of sarcastic comments aimed at the perpetrator, as well as the misinformation, when I just cannot resist the urge.

JEM

[Azrael]

Most of us do not need protection from exposure to misinformation or outrageous statements. On the web, including this site, good information and misinformation and outrageous dialog are commonly encountered.

Although, reasoned rebuttal is best way to deal with misinformation, I admit that I am guilty of sarcastic comments aimed at the perpetrator, as well as the misinformation, when I just cannot resist the urge.

JEM
Point taken.

[rissababynta]

there is a lot of repitition going on...wouldn't it be a lot easier to just call it a loss and leave the thread to die before it becomes an endless circle of "spewing wrong information" and some what intellectually discrete bad mouthing? every person comes to a certain point where they find resistance after giving in, even if it is ever so slightly, and i think both sides have no desire to reach this point or have already gotten there. don't see opinions altering too much more any time soon. time to move on with life...

[the mage]

Its kinda funny.. the ignore function is pointless .....