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Maryland
Jan 5, 2008, 1:58 AM
I apologize in advance for this long post. I don't know where else to turn and hope you can help me, or at least point me in the direction I should go.

I identify as bisexual and am married to a woman who identifies as bisexual. We have been monogomous since we were married in 2003. Prior to marriage, we dated exclusively for four years. Before we met, my wife had one relationship with a woman after realizing at age 17 that she was bisexual. I have had no relationships with men, romantic or sexual. I was bisexual at puberty, but did not admit or accept it until age 22. The woman who is now my wife shepherded that process.

For several years, we have found various ways within our marriage to express our bisexuality while remaining monogomous. We have a healthy fantasy life, enjoy a variety of porn and freely allow ourselves to imagine and express the other to be someone else during sex (eg. I will pretend her to be a man I lust after). These methods have worked well for us, yet are increasingly insufficient for us both and primarily myself.

After much discussion, including a frank evaluation and reassurance of the stability of our marriage and love for each other, we recently decided to pursue a threesome/threeway/whatever with a male friend to whom we are both very attracted. The decision came in the sober aftermath of a New Year's Eve drinking session with friends in which the man (1) expressed his general willingness to do a threesome comprised of two men and one woman; (2) touched, with my permission, my wife, to the great enjoyment of us three; and (3) sufficiently assuaged my fears that he would only seek interaction with my wife and not me.

Earlier this week, my wife and I were able to speak with the man privately, and indicated our interest. My wife, who did the talking, noted that she didn't want our friend to feel weird about the New Year's Eve touching, that neither she nor I had any problems with what happened, and were in fact very turned on by it. My wife and I had prepared more to say, but at that point, our friend was shifting uncomfortably in his seat. He responded by saying something along the lines of, "I'm not down with that, yet." (It was unclear how much could or should be read into the "yet.") My wife quickly switched gears, affirmed to him that his friendship is very important to us and we don't want to do anything that would harm that. A bit more was said, but nothing substantial, and we then parted ways. My wife and I both took the rejection, as it were, very hard. I broke into tears later that evening.

It should be noted that this is the second time we have attempted to pursue a threesome/threeway/whatever with a male friend. Our previous attempt, done more on a lark about two years ago, also ended in rejection. We have not attempted to pursue a threesome/threeway/whatever with any female friends, primarily because our tastes in women are different. We have not attempted to pursue a threesome/threeway/whatever with any strangers or casual acquiantances, primarily because my wife must know the person to feel comfortable with them in that context.

I share all the above as background and so you can best understand the crux of this post, which is that I am very confused and uncertain as to how I should proceed from here.

My wife is what Dan Savage has termed GGG: good, giving and game. She has told me that she is willing to explore an open relationship, as long as it is done on mutually agreeable terms, so we can both pursue expressions and experiences that are unavailable to us now. Her reasons for this are twofold: She is increasingly fearful that I might end up doing some bathroom toe-tapping should I not be given this healthier option, and she is increasingly interested in exploring other experiences with women.

I'm very torn on how to proceed. Among the thoughts running through my head are the following:

1. I do not, at this time, see myself taking the "Larry Craig" route. However, I fear that I might go that way later in life if I do not find some way to express and enjoy my bisexuality at this stage.

2. What my wife and I share is, in both our opinions, a truly precious and honest form of love. We consider each other soul mates and are often told by our family and friends that we are a wonderful example of what a loving couple should be.

3. I am terrified that by pursuing an open marriage -- even one that involves full disclosure and, ideally, the other as an observer of any sexual acts that are done to ensure health and safety -- I will destroy our relationship.

4. I am equally terrified that if I do nothing, my intensifying desires to have romantic or sexual experiences with other men will destroy our relationship.

5. Even if we agreed to proceed, I would have no idea how to find someone who could understand let alone accept an arrangement like this. It's hard enough to find someone who understands bisexuality. It's near impossible to find someone who accepts ME as bisexual once they know my history.

6. Without a doubt, I feel incomplete as a person having not had any romantic or sexual experiences with other men during my life.

7. My wife and I both acknowledge that one experience will not permanently assuage what I'm feeling, nor should it as my bisexuality is not a desire but rather a significant part of the person I am.

8. I fear, as does my wife, that we are simply being "greedy." We have an intense love for each other and an otherwise wonderful and stable marriage. Are we wrong to seek more? Should we not be satisfied with the life we do have together?

9. Both my wife and I were raised Catholic, but have long since left the church. I am still challenged, however, to work through the "guilt" I feel about considering an open marriage since we were both raised to believe all such love and satisfaction is to come within the context of marriage.

10. For what it's worth, we are out to many of our friends, but not all. Neither of us are out to our parents. Both of us are out to our siblings.

I apologize again for the opus that is this post, but I had to pour my heart out somewhere and Bisexual.com seemed the best place to do so. I greatly appreciate you taking the time to read this and respond. I obviously and desperately need advice, and I welcome any insight or direction you can provide.

On behalf of both my wife and I, thank you.

BiphobiaFighter
Jan 5, 2008, 2:13 AM
Hi. The external links section of the wikipedia article on polyamory might have some good resources to help both of you to decide whether non-monogamy is right for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory

All the best. :)

ghytifrdnr
Jan 5, 2008, 2:13 AM
It's sounds to me as though you both have your heads in the right place. It just is likely to take time to find the arrangement/s that are right for you. Just keep looking, and here isn't a bad place. And to paraphrase an old saw, you may have to kiss a lot of frogs/toads before you find your prince.
I counsel patience.

dancechic17
Jan 5, 2008, 2:45 AM
Wow, it sounds like you are in quite a situation. Sorry to hear about your bad luck with finding someone for a threesome/threeway/whatever. Although even if you weren’t married and looking for a third, chances are that it would be just as difficult to find someone to participate in a threesome with, let alone a single guy to explore with. It takes time to find someone special who you like and are comfortable enough to form a relationship with, whether you are straight, bi, gay, whatever. So don’t lose faith!! Be patient, keep looking and you’re bound to find someone.

As far as feeling greedy, I would say that you aren’t being greedy. Your feelings about wanting to explore are completely valid, don’t let anyone tell you that it’s wrong to feel a certain way. It seems that you are very lucky to have found such a great wife and have such a wonderful relationship. It’s even better that she’s understanding of you as bisexual. So yes, be thankful for that but also don’t let it stop you from doing what you both need to do to feel complete, as you put it.

In my opinion, exploring your sexuality and having experiences like the ones you described that you and your wife are both craving is a good thing. Staying healthy during sex is always important as well so I think it’s great that you’ve taken this into consideration. It seems like you have a great relationship with your wife. I would say keep looking for other people to explore with or just be friends with who you can share this with. Do you have many bi friends who perhaps have gone through something similar? As long as you and your wife stay in communication and tell each other how you feel about developments that may happen (i.e. she meets a woman, you meet a guy, you have the opportunity to do a threesome, etc.) and how you both feel about it, you will probably not be putting your marriage at risk.

As far as someone accepting an arrangement like that and accepting you once they know your history, I don’t know your history so I can’t comment on that. If you are referring to the fact that you are married and would someone be willing to be in an open relationship with you, I’m sure there are people out there who are open to that. Like I said, it just takes time to find the right person. I personally don’t have a problem being with someone if they are married as long as their partner is aware and/or involved in the relationship. Just be patient and wait until you find the right person. When you meet someone who is totally upfront honest, a kind and caring person, who will not attempt to ruin your marriage, and is accepting of your sexuality and willing to enter into a relationship with you and share that experience, then most of your problems will probably disappear, in my opinion. Until then, good luck and I hope you stay safe as bringing in multiple new partners between you and your wife definitely increases your chances of catching something. Oh, and as far as finding someone, definitely open up your search to other sites, personal ads, etc. There are some threads about other bi-oriented dating sites on here that you might want to check out. The more places you put yourself out there in, the better your chances might be for eventually finding someone. Hope it all works out for you both!! :)

FerociousFeline
Jan 5, 2008, 2:58 AM
First of all, thank you for trusting those of us on this site with your problem.

Such things are often very difficult to voice because of all the implications all the way around.

I really still don't have enough information to do a decent job of advising you, so instead, I will just tell you what I see and you can take it or leave it.


The previous poster I forgot who that was, advised patience. I think this is really GOOD advice. But I would like to expand on that.

I think it's very important any time any of us attempt to join with another spirit to be fully aware and present in that decision. I believe that we owe it to ourselves to know WHY we want to make a connection with another spirit.

So, I would encourage you to do some soul searching to determine whether this yearning for connection to another man, the expressing your bisexuality part, is about being physical or is it mental and the act of making it physical is to externalize your internal world?

The reason I ask this, is because with a woman like you apparently have, you have many options for satisfying MOST of your bisexual urges. So the question becomes, is this about mental/heart or physical? If it's about your ability to express a dominant or submissive behavior, role reversal, gender role reversal or this sort of thing, you can do pretty well with a loving willing woman. If it is the other side of the coin, then unfortunately as you well know I guess, there isn't going to be much substitute for a real male partner.

Regarding your recent letdown. Don't internalize it. It's important to realize that two times is likely enough and I would advise not going for a third with this friend.

It may take you quite a while to find an appropriate partner to complete your triangle, but do not let this dissuade you. Remember when you were shopping for your wife? Same rules apply here. The harder you look, the slower your process finding what you desire. What you may be being called to do is to completely let GO of the selection process and have a little faith in Spirit to bring to you the spirit that the two of you need to knead.<g>

Generally, what needs to happen now is that the two of you might be tense regarding all this, and may be putting off those vibes to those you wish to include in your love triangle. As we all know, tense desperation is the most effective brand of "lover-away" on the market.

So, relax. Enjoy your woman. Take your time. Prepare yourselves internally for the possibility by mentally "making space" for your new lover between you, and be prepared to wait. If it is meant to happen, rest assured that it will. If not, well you still have one helluva lover who can more than meet 99% of your needs.

It will happen, usually when you are ready for it. It really doesn't SOUND like you really are just yet, and that is perfectly okay.

I hope this helps,

FF

DiamondDog
Jan 5, 2008, 2:58 AM
You seem to be having a lot of doubts and second thoughts about having an open marriage and an open relationship.

Have you communicated all of this to your spouse or have you told your spouse about the things that you've written about here?

Don't take someone saying no thanks so personally. It happens to everyone and I'm sure it even happened to you and your wife before you were both married and were dating people or trying to date people.

An open relationship is probably not for you, based on what you've written here so far. It could drive you both far apart and only the two of you know if having an open relationship is for you or not, since you're the ones who have a relationship together.

wanting2men
Jan 5, 2008, 3:12 AM
I would like to address your wife's need to feel comfortable with the third person (who is not a friend) should you attempt a 3-some. I believe it is possible to meet a stranger (perhaps on a site like this) and cultivate a "relationship" prior to the sexual encounter. There are some very real, sweet people out there who are looking for the same thing. The search will take time and patience but, it pays off. All of your old friendships remain intact. Best wishes to you both.

jeancarleo
Jan 5, 2008, 5:50 AM
Wow that's a nice true story. You guys aren't the only ones in situations like these. I'm just glad that there's people like you who are loyal to your spouse.

Just be patient, not everyone is bisexual even if they're bi-curious. They might try it and not like it. I'm sure you will find a guy for the italian marriage kinda thing.

the mage
Jan 5, 2008, 10:47 AM
Even though it sees like a oxymoron type situation it is tougher to initiate taking it further with a friend that it is a person you arranged to meet just for play.

A person who will remain in your life after the play has to deal with baggage too, if its strictly a playmate its easier to enjoy the lust.

You as a couple are on the right track.
One of the key things I always see in open couple relationships is that they are in constant communication with each other. You two seem to have that part down. Good for you!!

You only live once. As a couple you get an enriched experience. Keep talking about it, set guidelines for safety and calmly seek out your desires together.

lilme
Jan 5, 2008, 3:17 PM
I have been involved with threesomes, and i admit they can be a lot of fun, but also it can be trouble. i was dating my husband and we both knew that we were both bi-sexual. We got married and kept right on dating and having threesomes, and it turned out that he fell in love with one of our regular couple and we ended in divorce. they are now living toghether as a couple and I live happily alone.

If you feel like writing, please do so.

Chi

saturnmoon
Jan 5, 2008, 3:48 PM
We feel for you.
1. If you are sure of what you are doing, this will srengthen your relationship with your wife. This means, if you are a true bisexual. On the other hand, if you are not sure, this will be like opening Pandora's box, meaning you tried the threesome, and you were not sure, you and your wife would not be able to close that, and may destroy your relationship. This is just the beginning for you guys. Unfortuniately, like somewhat said in another answer to your thread, you have to "kiss a lot of frogs to find your prince". And this is a very difficult and frustrating thing in this process of finding somebody honest, and someone who wants to stay with you for a long time.
2. YOu will find many single guys who are also confused. They say that they are bisexual, just to get to you guys. And after that, you don't see them again. These are the famous "players" that you can easily screen from the beginning.
3. Your relationship between you and God is very personal. So please, don't involve any religious myth in this, because God loves us all.
4. Don't give up.
5. When you find the right person, you'll be the happiest couple in the world. We guarantee it.
Good Luck.