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noabody
Jan 2, 2008, 11:10 PM
I'm 35 and my wife has known that I was bisexual from day one but never accepting. I read a couple of interesting things lately and since I put no positive belief in studies or statistics I'll just say that these are my opinions.

First, it is my general belief that there are at least double the amount of bisexual women to men in the U.S. In a male dominated society media portrays what men want as much as word of mouth. Men are generally not opposed to having sex with two women or watching two women make love to each other.

Second, bisexuals are much more likely to experience mental stress as a result. In a monogamous America you're really only moving between the heterosexual or the homosexual boxes, anything in between is shunned. People don't like indecisiveness, either you're gay or straight, pick a side.

The fact is that I have had sexual relationships with men and women. I only regret that I did not have the chance to have a meaningful emotional relationship with a man. Life is full of tough decisions. Marry the woman you love, or wait to marry a woman that you love that can also love the man that you love. It seemed like a long shot on the latter so I took the former.

At the time I was serving to protect our country in the troubled time of the Gulf War and that job meant I couldn't be myself, not openly. Then you eventually have children. How do you tell your kids any of this?! Some people go deeper and deeper underground. I've always been out and never been out. I won't tell anybody that I'm bisexual but you can tell. My parents know and my wife, that's it.

So why am I here? Everyone is looking for something. I stopped worrying about acceptance when I was sixteen. I've always wanted to understand why. How do we become this way? I can suggest media and society increase bisexuality in women but not in men. I don't imagine most men or women, gay or straight, want to see a couple of hairy sweaty men in bed.

Are more bisexuals nature or nurture? Does it have something to do with the people we are around when we become sexually aware? I've been sexually aware for over twenty-five years. Yeah, double check my age from the first paragraph. It was just an accident, something I discovered on my own. Having orgasms and awareness long before puberty must have a great impact on the psyche. I didn't fully understand what was going on and a deep fear resulted.

Eventually the lines blurred as far as attraction. I saw beauty in myself, I saw beauty in women. Men and women, they both had something I wanted to explore, emotionally and sexually.

By the age of sixteen I was completely addicted to orgasm and I was also intellectual and introverted. I was torn in pieces, trying to keep animalistic passions from tainting how I viewed the people around me. I wanted to be just like Mr. Spock from Star Trek, devoid of all emotion. So I bottled it all up and kept it under a tight stopper. Rationality prevailed and the greatest times in my life have been in the last five years, as I finally begin to feel my sexuality ebb somewhat and subside.

No, it's not all over. It just makes you think. A mind as deeply besieged by desire as mine sees the world differently. You have to make sure some circuits are never built. I was terrified when my daughter was born, how would she exist in my mind?

The beauty of children is indescribable. She's my little girl and that's all. I see her as she grows and see hints of the woman she will eventually become, her mind, her body, her spirit. I want to be sure that she will never have to deal with the burden that I did. Stay naive, stay pure just a little longer. She isn't a girl or a boy, she's my child.

That said, I see the girl friends that she has, they are all reaching their early teens. It bothers me that, although there is no circuitry to make a connection with regard to attraction, there is the realization that when they grow up to be women, there probably will be. I suppose it's a natural thing for men but how can we treat people fairly? Are our interactions with people always subconsciously influenced by attraction? Are we more apt to treat people favorably if we "like" them? Can true friendships only occur where there is no attraction at all?

I'm bisexual but I've alway had a preference for women. Women have such an incredible intrinsic beauty. I'm not exactly femme but I've often wanted to be beautiful, attractive; to be pursued and adored. I see beauty and ugliness in the mirror, don't we all?

That's a little insight into another human being, another perspective. My only goal was to make you think. I care not whether good or bad but please, when you reply, make your goal the same. I'm looking for your perspective.

For myself I like to exercise and be outdoors, not really traveling but rediscovering places I've seen before. There is a whole world out there to see but it's just as big in a field of flowers or by a mountain stream as it is hopping from continent to continent.

I'm not stuck with a woman that won't accept me, I live every day of my life with the woman that I love. I only wish that I could tell her everything that I feel and that I could feel the same pleasure from her that she feels from me.

"Jack Johnson, Flake"
I know she says it's alright, you can make it up next time.
I know she knows it's not right, there ain't no use in lying.
Maybe she thinks I know something, maybe, maybe she thinks it's fine.
Maybe she knows something I don't, I'm so, I'm so tired, so tired of trying.
It seems to me that maybe [we've pretty much always been this way] so don't tell me you might just let it go...

DiamondDog
Jan 3, 2008, 1:42 AM
Welcome to the site.

I don't think that there are more bisexual women at all. You just hear about it more in the media like you mentioned, that's all.

I certainly don't have a desire to be with two bio women at the same time. I'd rather be with a single man, two men or a man and a woman, transpeople (both pre/post op FTM/MTF), or just myself.

Learn to ignore society since you'll be better off in the long run.

Perhaps you should take your own advice in the topic of your writing?

I can get introspective too but it got to the point for me where I just stopped worrying if I fit into a mold by society, any pseudo standards, somebody else's definition/standard, and any definition/label. I probably am more into men for sex/romance but I don't fall anywhere on the Kinsey scale or the Klein grid that goes around on this site.

I'm not sure why you want your daughter to not deal with what you think is a burden when it's part of growing up and being human?

So if you want to, why don't you tell your wife about everything you feel or some of what you've written here?

rayntsn
Jan 3, 2008, 8:51 AM
Actually there is a little bi in us all. That is to say that we as a member of the human race are at one time or another (some many times) are attracted to members of our own sex. Either emotionally, sexually or both. Some act upon their feelings while others do not.
Many accept the fact that they are attracted to a member(s) of their own sex and are comfortable with who they are and how they feel. While others deny their feelings and continue to search for that which eludes them.
Many cultures throughout the world and history accept the fact that attraction of a man to a man or a woman to a woman is a perfectly normal occurrence. It was during the Victorian age that it began to be socially unacceptable for a man to be openly attracted to a man. Homosexuality has always been with us and probably always will be. Either accepted and openly or unaccepted and clandestinely.
The important thing is for each of us to understand and accept who and what we are. Be happy with and enjoy that which is good and do our best to change that which is not.:2cents::three:

DiamondDog
Jan 3, 2008, 9:31 AM
Actually there is a little bi in us all. That is to say that we as a member of the human race are at one time or another (some many times) are attracted to members of our own sex. Either emotionally, sexually or both. Some act upon their feelings while others do not.
Many accept the fact that they are attracted to a member(s) of their own sex and are comfortable with who they are and how they feel. While others deny their feelings and continue to search for that which eludes them.


This is chauvinism.

Not everyone is bisexual and believe it or not there are people who are totally in the clinical definition purely heterosexual and homosexual, in that they're not sexually/romantically attracted to the same gender or the opposite one.

Skater Boy
Jan 3, 2008, 10:38 AM
This is chauvinism.

Not everyone is bisexual and believe it or not there are people who are totally in the clinical definition purely heterosexual and homosexual, in that they're not sexually/romantically attracted to the same gender or the opposite one.

DD, I think he's referring to the concept that every man has his feminine side (and vice versa), but some just haven't discovered it yet, choose not to pay attention to it, or see little need to dwell upon it. An "attraction" need not be a overtly sexual one.

A similar concept is posited by people like Carl Jung (in his theory of the Anima and Animus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anima_%28Jung%29)).

Obviously though, these concepts depend on questionable notions of what "masculinity" and "femininity" actually are. And I'm also well aware of your disapproval of psychoanalysis.

However, some would tend to agree that there is a developmental aspect to our identities as opposed to merely just the pre-determined genetic programming. Meaning that it would not be that unlikely that many of us aren't "purely" or "clinically" masculine or feminine. And even if some of us are, the relevance of those polarized opposites depends largely on the culture in which we are situated.

Just my opinion though, and its certainly as open to scrutiny as anyone else's.

diB4u
Jan 3, 2008, 4:52 PM
DD, I think he's referring to the concept that every man has his feminine side (and vice versa), but some just haven't discovered it yet, choose not to pay attention to it, or see little need to dwell upon it. An "attraction" need not be a overtly sexual one.

A similar concept is posited by people like Carl Jung (in his theory of the Anima and Animus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anima_%28Jung%29)).

Obviously though, these concepts depend on questionable notions of what "masculinity" and "femininity" actually are. And I'm also well aware of your disapproval of psychoanalysis.

However, some would tend to agree that there is a developmental aspect to our identities as opposed to merely just the pre-determined genetic programming. Meaning that it would not be that unlikely that many of us aren't "purely" or "clinically" masculine or feminine. And even if some of us are, the relevance of those polarized opposites depends largely on the culture in which we are situated.

Just my opinion though, and its certainly as open to scrutiny as anyone else's.


That is a good point to raise... Musclinity and Femininty is found in all of us regardless of gender. This is not a sexuallity based more of a gender based.

Anyone who knows me, or who can gaze into my mind confuses genders quiet easily. I'm a case book waiting to be studied. LOL.

That is more close to what i interpretate the issue of pangender. This is something that I've touched upon on a thread that I started....

Its nothing to do with sexuality, but rather to do with a person's gender roles and their identity.

Not everyone is muscline, or feminine- some people can be gender fluid, meaning that a person can have both characteristics. Where it does cross over to the sexuality is when you see the stero typical buth lesbian, or the feminine gay man.

The 'butch' lesbian is the way because growing up she picked out certain characteristics that she liked and copied them. That theory is the same for every one of us.

DiamondDog
Jan 3, 2008, 5:19 PM
Not everyone is muscline, or feminine- some people can be gender fluid, meaning that a person can have both characteristics. Where it does cross over to the sexuality is when you see the stero typical buth lesbian, or the feminine gay man.

The 'butch' lesbian is the way because growing up she picked out certain characteristics that she liked and copied them. That theory is the same for every one of us.

What if the person is naturally masculine, androgynous, or feminine and that's just the way that they are?

I don't believe that one's gender(s) is/are a choice, anymore than their sexuality or race are.

diB4u
Jan 3, 2008, 5:23 PM
What if the person is naturally masculine, androgynous, or feminine and that's just the way that they are?

I don't believe that one's gender(s) is/are a choice, anymore than their sexuality or race are.

If a person has both muscline and feminine qualities then yes they are like myself Androgynous, of course then that can be split down into a wider field some are physically androgynous and others like myself are charactersitically so.

Some but not all if they do so wish will change their gender to match their true gender. Thats why it can come under transgender related issues.

Of course its set. I can't choose to be someone I'm not. I'm not a girly girl, still am a tom boy, but not a boyishly boi or a gurl.

Skater Boy
Jan 3, 2008, 5:37 PM
That is more close to what i interpretate the issue of pangender. This is something that I've touched upon on a thread that I started....

Its nothing to do with sexuality, but rather to do with a person's gender roles and their identity.

Not everyone is muscline, or feminine- some people can be gender fluid, meaning that a person can have both characteristics.

If I were feeling particularly bold, I *might* even go as far as to suggest that ALL people are potentially "Pangendered".

In his theory of "Innate Bisexuality" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innate_bisexuality) Freud posited that ALL people were Bisexual at birth, and then developmental factors would then determine their eventual sexual preference. Now, I'm NOT suggesting that his theory is correct... but a similar line of reasoning could be applied to GENDER, and is actually more plausible, IMO.

HOWEVER... lets that not forget what constitues "masculine" and "feminine" DIFFERS quite dramatically from place to place, and culture to culture. So in actual fact, if a man happens to be considered "masculine" by OUR standards he is potentially ONLY considered so according to the ideologies prevalent in our particular culture.

The other thing to consider are the historical "archetypes" of masculinity and femininity: and if there are any common denominators that are completely universal to ALL cultures. And then, how these archetypes have (and still are) evolving. That I obviously can't answer, though.

But by my reckoning, it could, in theory, be argued that the concepts of masculinity and femininity are actually imaginary ones. And that at the end of the day, we are all just "people" who have each been programmed and socialized differently.

:2cents:

DiamondDog
Jan 3, 2008, 5:40 PM
Of course its set. I can't choose to be someone I'm not. I'm not a girly girl, still am a tom boy, but not a boyishly boi or a gurl.

OK but you wrote about how you equate gender being a choice in the example of the butch dyke "copying" other women like this.

the mage
Jan 3, 2008, 5:49 PM
Many societies have accepted homo sex, but it does not make it present in everyone in that society. We do all have traits of both sexes but sexuality is not that. It is in fact who you have sex with.

As to the O/p's issue there is concern. You start out saying your wife knows but does not accept, and end with saying she does accept. ???
You seem to have some resentment towards your sexuality and want your daughter to never face these things.
Hiding from it will not stop it. In you or her.
Openness, and an honest ability to talk to your family will get you more love than it does problems. If you need to find help to learn to talk about things please seek it from pro's. Not here.

I can say that as a father of a successful grown man who is still my friend and the son of an old old man who is also still my friend, (and fellow toker), I strongly believe that openness, mutual respect, and trust, the same things that make a good friend, make a good dad.

DiamondDog
Jan 5, 2008, 3:50 PM
I can say that as a father of a successful grown man who is still my friend and the son of an old old man who is also still my friend, (and fellow toker), I strongly believe that openness, mutual respect, and trust, the same things that make a good friend, make a good dad.

So you all abuse a sacramental psychedelic, and have heterosexist family values. Big deal.

dafydd
Jan 6, 2008, 9:00 AM
So you all abuse a sacramental psychedelic, and have heterosexist family values. Big deal.

What has the mage's comment got to do with heterosexism?
Also he didn't say he 'abused' anything.
you're not making any sense.

d

DiamondDog
Jan 6, 2008, 1:24 PM
What has the mage's comment got to do with heterosexism?
Also he didn't say he 'abused' anything.
you're not making any sense.

d

Read other posts by him about such topics, or where she brings them up.