this has to hurt

[the mage]

Discussion with a few people over the last few days led to my looking this up..
This really is a telling and a bit scary site....only one mind you...there are of course conflicting ones.

http://www.fdrs.org/fascism_definition.html


The premise in all of the discussions is that America the democracy you were taught to love is dead, you now live in amerika the fascist state.

[Bluebiyou]

Mage!
Gee, man, your very strong opinions about so many things... You're assertive seemingly to the point of just being angry (and thus authoritively argumentitive on so many subjects).
I really don't mean to be insulting in the least, just giving you some feedback. Some of my best friends give me the harshest and most challenging feedback.
Corrupt government is axiomatic... since the dawn of civilization; nothing new going on just new people doing it.
Disillusionment with age, education, and realization is also axiomatic and timeless. The older you get, the dimmer the view of most things.
Winston Churchill stated it best "The government of the United States is the absolute worst in the world; barring all others."
So what eats you more than anything else, Mage?
Do you have one supreme subject that pisses you off above all others?
I just wonder why you're so (seemingly) angry.

[DiamondDog]

Even though I don't like this current govenment of the US, I wouldn't go so far as to say that we're in a fascist state.

Doing so is disrespectful to people who've actually lived under true fascist states and fascist dictatorships like Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany.

I wouldn't even call us neo-fascist like the KKK, White supremacist groups, the British National Party, Neo-Nazi groups, National anarchism, and other groups are.

[Skater Boy]

Mage!
Gee, man, your very strong opinions about so many things... You're assertive seemingly to the point of just being angry (and thus authoritively argumentitive on so many subjects).
I really don't mean to be insulting in the least, just giving you some feedback. Some of my best friends give me the harshest and most challenging feedback.
Corrupt government is axiomatic... since the dawn of civilization; nothing new going on just new people doing it.
Disillusionment with age, education, and realization is also axiomatic and timeless. The older you get, the dimmer the view of most things.
Winston Churchill stated it best "The government of the United States is the absolute worst in the world; barring all others."
So what eats you more than anything else, Mage?
Do you have one supreme subject that pisses you off above all others?
I just wonder why you're so (seemingly) angry.


Mage doesn't come across as "angry" IMO. More like paranoid. Personally, I try and keep my paranoia firmly in check, but I guess venting it and hearing other people's responses might be an equally valid method of doing this. :2cents:

[the mage]

LOL...no not an angry guy at all. I am however in touch with wide and varying groups of people, most of whom are socialist in nature, and well educated.
I read fast and I read a lot. I pass on things of interest for discussion. You may note I'm off here for days at a time then back to stir the pot. (maybe cause some smoke too, gawd forbid) Life is more interesting when you see outside view points. We are ALL children of the propaganda we are fed, to think otherwise is silly, so I feed you mine and you fed me yours..
kinda like cum..

I'm perfectly willing to to go on posting and coming across as angry so long as it stirs discussion. Gawd knows its dead on TV. The internet is a last gasp at the spread of information for regular people.
On TV it is only the jesters who are telling you the king has no clothes.. (See Daily show,, Colbert report) Media ownership as noted in another thread is social control. The "news" is up some pussys skirt ....

I actually have refrained from posting some info that is truly alarming because quite frankly it wouldn't be believed how screwed WE ALL are.

In meat life I'm very relaxed, easy to laugh, and get along very well with people. If I were not I wouldn't have the contacts I do.
We are perfectly able to talk about these contentious issues with many different points of view in real life because social norms apply. There are no fights. No name calling no flaming. The typed page distorts passion into anger. Not an accurate translation...

[The Barefoot Contess]

On this topic, my favorite analysis is this:

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

We are fucked up indeed. Maybe not in the same way as under Franco, Hitler or Mussolini, but there are so many, so many ways to mask fascism...

[DiamondDog]

LOL...no not an angry guy at all. I am however in touch with wide and varying groups of people, most of whom are socialist in nature, and well educated.
I read fast and I read a lot. I pass on things of interest for discussion. You may note I'm off here for days at a time then back to stir the pot. (maybe cause some smoke too, gawd forbid) Life is more interesting when you see outside view points. We are ALL children of the propaganda we are fed, to think otherwise is silly, so I feed you mine and you fed me yours..
kinda like cum..

I'm perfectly willing to to go on posting and coming across as angry so long as it stirs discussion. Gawd knows its dead on TV. The internet is a last gasp at the spread of information for regular people.
On TV it is only the jesters who are telling you the king has no clothes.. (See Daily show,, Colbert report) Media ownership as noted in another thread is social control. The "news" is up some pussys skirt ....

I actually have refrained from posting some info that is truly alarming because quite frankly it wouldn't be believed how screwed WE ALL are.

In meat life I'm very relaxed, easy to laugh, and get along very well with people. If I were not I wouldn't have the contacts I do.
We are perfectly able to talk about these contentious issues with many different points of view in real life because social norms apply. There are no fights. No name calling no flaming. The typed page distorts passion into anger. Not an accurate translation...

Hahahahaha LMAO now I've heard it ALL when it comes to excuses!

You're an angry bitter old man, ego-maniac, and a troll who loves to hear nobody but himself speak, and a charlatan who gives out false advice that nobody takes seriously at all and you'd have to be a fool to actually take seriously, and nobody here at this site even reads or responds to it since you get argumentative and flip shit when someone posts anything that's
contrary or an alternative to your paranoid and self absorbant ramblings.

You've flamed myself and other people here and threataned me with violence just because I disagreed with biphobic and out of date information that you've posted about HIV/AIDS and het women getting HIV.

Why you and your other name you post under disseminator aren't still perma banned from this site is a mystery since you've violated the rules here since you just flame/attack people constantly, have threataned me with violence, and are a disrespectful person.

You've clearly got issues with anger/abuse/putting others down to bring up your own very low self esteem and aren't into seeing things from all viewpoints/opinions and act like an immature spoiled brat of a boy throwing a tantrum when someone posts something that's contrary or an alternative opinion to what you post.

Get some anger manegment, some therapy, some meds, realize the world doesn't revolve around you, and grow up!

I know people who are young adults that act more like an adult and are more open minded and intelligent than you are.

Don't expect me to "play" nice when you post crap like this and act like it's excusable or don't even apologise or say "Sorry I was wrong" like an adult:


Ok Now I'm pissed off you fucking pig.................
Its ASSHOLES like YOU who cause human strife and misery.

You are a total fuck nuts. If you were next to me I would be smashing your fucking pig face

in. There .. happyy now?? you got a rise out of me too...


Here fuck brain read this.

There lots more.. I have read them go ahead do the same... PIG!


Now having read back a bit, I am saying flat out
Diamond Dog is a Filthy disgusting Pig.
I completely stand by my venomous comments toward his filthy hide.


I have seen her.

I walk into the room and see her skeletal remains.
She is still breathing, how do bones metabolize I wonder?
I dare not touch her as we know her purple glazed skin lights up in agony on the slightest pressure.
I look at her eyeballs blackened by disease, even before death, unseeing.
She is on morphine dose that would kill me in an instant, her mind is lost .
All that is left is to talk to her. We know the hearing is the last sense to die.
I tell her she is loved, and will be remembered.
She takes her last breath as I watch.

Again dammit …………. again..and again and again and again and again…

And they wonder why we rage on………………..……..

[Skater Boy]

LOL, I think now might be a good time to say:

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!! :bdaygrin: :santa: :tong:

[void()]

"The internet is a last gasp at the spread of information for regular people.' - mage

Odd how you drop this statement if you are indeed so enlightened and aware.

About a decade ago, my wife's brother in law and I were discussing the pros and cons of the internet. Our discussion was brought on by a possible business venture we were considering. Unfortunately he always talks a good deal but never acts upon such visions.

The conversation was after I'd helped him set up a network in a county courthouse. I had used a dummy terminal and accessed the server. He thought such a thing was impossible. Here's the paraphrasing and summary of our conversation, which may shatter your last gasp theory.

Me: "See, if we set up a server to run the cafe, you'll be open to attack."

Him: "That's why I keep a hacker, you, in my back pocket. You won't hack me if I pay you enough, and you'll also protect the cafe's network as it feeds you."

Me: "Sorry bud, first you'd not continue to afford my services long. Second, I'm good but there are others a damn sight better and I won't guarantee solid security, nothing really can except ..."

Him: "You keep it entirely off the Internet?"

Me: "Your business is down the drain."

Him: "Maybe not, you can route through a major service provider ..."

Me: "All of which, you and I both know from experience or from experience of others like minded as us, have been aced."

Him: "Damn, so I guess you keep it off the Internet?"

Me: "At which point I ask, what is your business an Internet Cafe or a garage?"

Him: "Well, looks like you were correct. If anyone wants to keep anything secret, they won't have it accessing the Internet."

Me: "Uh huh."

Now, given that conversation over a decade ago by a poor country boy who was only ever public high school educated and a guy who managed to meek out a two year degree in college, it's pretty obvious that anything Big Brother doesn't want us knowing, we won't know.

Hell, we won't even know what it is they don't want us to know because we won't even know they're concealing something. Because if no one in the public sector can access their records, then no one in the public sector is going to discuss it.

So, your enlightenment may be in another of your lines.

"You may note I'm off here for days at a time then back to stir the pot. (maybe cause some smoke too, gawd forbid)" - mage

Too bad some of us have spent lifetimes seeing through the smoke. It all boils down to shit really. You obviously enjoy stirring it. I may disagree with folks and that's fine, everyone can believe as they choose. Nothing says we must all agree. We can respectfully agree to disagree.

But, not you for some reason. You want to stir. Please simmer elsewhere as we've all probably got way more than enough of our respective problems without a stirring pot of shit.

And, to play the advocate. It's possible you've good reason aside from personal amusement to stir things up. I'll let you take the floor and state such reason, either on the forums or in private with me.

[jedinudist]

Even though I don't like this current govenment of the US, I wouldn't go so far as to say that we're in a fascist state.

Doing so is disrespectful to people who've actually lived under true fascist states and fascist dictatorships like Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany.

I wouldn't even call us neo-fascist like the KKK, White supremacist groups, the British National Party, Neo-Nazi groups, National anarchism, and other groups are.

I am in touch with several Jews who survived the holocaust because of a photo project I am trying to get off the ground.

ALL but 1 of them say they see frightening similarities between the fascism they were persecuted under and the US today.

ALL but 1 of them say we are fascist in all but admission.

They point out the same similarities that others here point out.

A true patriot must always be prepared to defend his country... from it's own government. That begins with the last attempt at a true check and balance that we have - question the government and don't let them suppress dissension nor let them suppress or take away our rights.

[binectar]

I've had experience with former Soviet countries, and spent 14 years living with a woman whose PHD treatise was about the holocaust...who herself helped smuggle pre-glastnost Jews out of Russia. These people never gave up, or cried in their beer!
It never ceases to astound me that those who feel helpless within some aspect of their life choose to advocate such feelings of helplessness with others! Worse, they play the blame-game!
No matter what takes place in any government at any time, it is within the power of every individual to rise to the occasion, and take whatever prudent measures are necessary. Sometimes prudence requires patience. Yet it should always be practiced with constructive change in mind. In our flawed government change is always possible through the consistent effort of enough people. Witness the conundrum we have concerning illegal immigrants! Do you think it's the concerted efforts of people who want to enforce the law of the land (yes that includes John Q. Citizen) or is it because of the united, concerted efforts of those very illegals?
The problem with any system of government is not the system, it's the personal greed of those individuals who choose personal interests over "the greater good". Yes, I know that phrase is subject to debate, but only by those who are incapable of thoughtful intercourse. The truth is that good and evil are fairly distinguishable.
The best thing any individual can do is to try to be a positive influence in those whom they can directly affect, advocating always that it be "paid forward". It's such good works that cascade into a river, and help many. Crying "the sky is falling" only provokes temporary anger or worse. We don't need more anger. We definitely don't need worse!

[Azrael]

LOL, I think now might be a good time to say:

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!! :bdaygrin: :santa: :tong:

And a happy Yule to you, Bash. Loves ya dearly ;)

-Tom

[darkeyes]

Every country has elements of fascism in the way its run...shudn b..but is jus the way things happen.. has elements in the way things r 2.. groups who r truly fasicts, peeps wiv fascist attitudes in droves... don mean that country is fascist, or its govt is. At present actually dus believe that the US govt is so close 2 fascist as 2 make no difference... that dus not mean that the US is a fascist country cos it aint... least not from wer me sittin 4000 miles away... but it is certainly more fascist an less free than it wos wen Bush stole the job... an anotha few years of a President like im an don b surprised if ya wakes up sum day an find yasels livin in a de facto fascist state that sneaked up onya. Hope them that say they wud oppose ther govt if they went 2 far mean wot they say... cos mostly in oppressive regimes it don work quite that easily... butya will certainly b needed...

Me own country is also less free an has more fascist overtones.. we still hugely a pretty easy goin place an hav lotsa freedoms.. life for peeps like us, the gay bi and trans community for instance is much betta than even a decade ago. But ther r underlyin movements 2 reduce our freedoms by govt, and the Tories if they eva get power will soon move that on apace. But govt an opposition both hav enuff paranoia 2.. an greed for power 2 ensure we gonna hav a lotta fascism instilled inta our society for a wile yet... an ther enuff gullable an paranoid peeps 2 go along wiv em. We aint a fascsist state yet, an r still a long way off bein so... but wiv every freedom lost...it gets closer 2 bein a reality... so our own peeps mite havta start thinkin bout jus wot they gonna do if an wen the catastrophe of fascism reely dus enter ther lives wiv a vengeance.

[Bluebiyou]

Mage,
I have to agree with you about TV... Perhaps religion used to be the opiate of the masses, now it's TV. Mindless banter with a constant skew/bias of the producers/owners.
I will maintain that there's nothing new going on in the world, just new people doing it. All government since the begining of time wanted total control of the populace. The scary thing now is the advent of computers and new technologies that can very practically achieve an immaculate system of control.
The problem with the invention and application of these controls is that they usually begin under very limited and somewhat justifiable conditions, then they are spread from there.
Perfect example is in usa, government vehicles are equiped with GPS tracking. The 'up' side is a monetary savings of people no longer/severely limit using government vehicles for personal reasons. Next came those horrible, corrupt New York cabbies... when will someone come up with the first reason for widespread application to every registered vehicle? It's not a question of 'if', it's a question of when. Hell, we give social security numbers to babies now... babies. That's obscene in my book, to reduce an individual to an identifiable number and quantity, but there you have it.
Now, when a country like China utilizes this technology for even more complete control of their masses... it's obvious this is bad stuff in the wrong hands... and not tremendously good in the right hands.
I don't agree with the logic and conclusions of Karl Marx (communist manifesto) and Ted Kaczynski (unabomber), however one would have to be daft not to see validity in some of their points and observations.

I'll also agree that anger is a perfectly valid emotion. If you're going to express yourself, anger is just as legitimate emotion as sadness, or any other. I just think you would... do well... to begin to ask yourself your motivation each time you jump in to argue, that's all. I personally have nothing against you or diamond dog, but you both certainly have something against each other; that's y'alls' (possesive plural) affair.

Ah, that's enough from me, I'm going to go watch cartoons now...

[void()]

Thought about this last night and felt it needed clarifying.
Mage, I'm not attacking you personally. I'm disappointed by the idea or concept of someone (read anyone) stirring up hornet nests just to get their entertainment. So, it's that idea I'm expressing distaste about.

And DD, my apologies for being ignorant of something earlier. I'm not defending you here, now as means of apology. Instead, I apologize to you directly. I misread something within the forums themselves and saw it as something else. Whatever you and mage have issue over is between the two of you.

So, mage I'm not attacking you personally, but the idea presented. You may actually have a valid reason to encourage discussion aside from personal amusement, I don't see it. That's why in fairness, I defer to let you offer another reason.

I honestly don't think that is your only reason. It may be, in which case I think you should ply such elsewhere. And if you want to call me a pig, or a pinko go right ahead because it won't bother me a whit. You don't know me, nor I you. Labeling those you don't know is pointless, but if it helps you out then enjoy.

void wanders on wearing another person's shoes for a bit so he can find out how to build really neat toaster bombs. He grins, "sarcasm y'all. I already know how to build a perfectly good toaster bomb. Erm, ooops."

[the mage]

Hahahahaha LMAO now I've heard it ALL when it comes to excuses!

You're an angry bitter old man, ego-maniac, and a troll who loves to hear nobody but himself speak, and a charlatan who gives out false advice that nobody takes seriously at all and you'd have to be a fool to actually take seriously, and nobody here at this site even reads or responds to it since you get argumentative and flip shit when someone posts anything that's
contrary or an alternative to your paranoid and self absorbant ramblings.

You've flamed myself and other people here and threataned me with violence just because I disagreed with biphobic and out of date information that you've posted about HIV/AIDS and het women getting HIV.

Why you and your other name you post under disseminator aren't still perma banned from this site is a mystery since you've violated the rules here since you just flame/attack people constantly, have threataned me with violence, and are a disrespectful person.

You've clearly got issues with anger/abuse/putting others down to bring up your own very low self esteem and aren't into seeing things from all viewpoints/opinions and act like an immature spoiled brat of a boy throwing a tantrum when someone posts something that's contrary or an alternative opinion to what you post.

Get some anger manegment, some therapy, some meds, realize the world doesn't revolve around you, and grow up!

I know people who are young adults that act more like an adult and are more open minded and intelligent than you are.

Don't expect me to "play" nice when you post crap like this and act like it's excusable or don't even apologise or say "Sorry I was wrong" like an adult:

..................... hehehe I knew you'd fly off at that post...
You do love to dredge up old news don't you..
Bait not taken..sorry.. Have a merry merry and a happy happy...

[the mage]

"The internet is a last gasp at the spread of information for regular people.' - mage

Odd how you drop this statement if you are indeed so enlightened and aware.

About a decade ago, my wife's brother in law and I were discussing the pros and cons of the internet. Our discussion was brought on by a possible business venture we were considering. Unfortunately he always talks a good deal but never acts upon such visions.

The conversation was after I'd helped him set up a network in a county courthouse. I had used a dummy terminal and accessed the server. He thought such a thing was impossible. Here's the paraphrasing and summary of our conversation, which may shatter your last gasp theory.

Me: "See, if we set up a server to run the cafe, you'll be open to attack."

Him: "That's why I keep a hacker, you, in my back pocket. You won't hack me if I pay you enough, and you'll also protect the cafe's network as it feeds you."

Me: "Sorry bud, first you'd not continue to afford my services long. Second, I'm good but there are others a damn sight better and I won't guarantee solid security, nothing really can except ..."

Him: "You keep it entirely off the Internet?"

Me: "Your business is down the drain."

Him: "Maybe not, you can route through a major service provider ..."

Me: "All of which, you and I both know from experience or from experience of others like minded as us, have been aced."

Him: "Damn, so I guess you keep it off the Internet?"

Me: "At which point I ask, what is your business an Internet Cafe or a garage?"

Him: "Well, looks like you were correct. If anyone wants to keep anything secret, they won't have it accessing the Internet."

Me: "Uh huh."

Now, given that conversation over a decade ago by a poor country boy who was only ever public high school educated and a guy who managed to meek out a two year degree in college, it's pretty obvious that anything Big Brother doesn't want us knowing, we won't know.

Hell, we won't even know what it is they don't want us to know because we won't even know they're concealing something. Because if no one in the public sector can access their records, then no one in the public sector is going to discuss it.

So, your enlightenment may be in another of your lines.

"You may note I'm off here for days at a time then back to stir the pot. (maybe cause some smoke too, gawd forbid)" - mage

Too bad some of us have spent lifetimes seeing through the smoke. It all boils down to shit really. You obviously enjoy stirring it. I may disagree with folks and that's fine, everyone can believe as they choose. Nothing says we must all agree. We can respectfully agree to disagree.

But, not you for some reason. You want to stir. Please simmer elsewhere as we've all probably got way more than enough of our respective problems without a stirring pot of shit.

And, to play the advocate. It's possible you've good reason aside from personal amusement to stir things up. I'll let you take the floor and state such reason, either on the forums or in private with me.

...................not quite sure what the first has to do with the second.. but you are right in that every single 1and 0 is forever recorded.

I come here to post interesting things and generate chat about subjects other than cock size and squirting to a community I belong to by nature if not nurture. The only real crap is with DD who I leave to expose himself over time as do I.

[the mage]

On this topic, my favorite analysis is this:

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

We are fucked up indeed. Maybe not in the same way as under Franco, Hitler or Mussolini, but there are so many, so many ways to mask fascism...



WOw... 14 well stated points of position...It does add up does it not.

[void()]

Excellent way to word your view mage. Not everyone here discusses cock size and squirting, though. I'm sure you're aware of that. Excuse me if your hooks don't appeal.

On fascism and government I'll borrow from Socrates and Stalin a bit. Socrates wrote that by his time all forms of governing were tested, all failed to the inherent nature of humans to perverse and abuse them. Stalin quip so eloquently that it is not they who vote that decide the issues, but rather they who count the votes.

Well off to work for nothing.

[Bluebiyou]

Damn, Void!
Any more morose and I'll send you the full works of Edgar Allen Poe!!!
LOL
But, point taken, and agreed.

[DiamondDog]

..................... hehehe I knew you'd fly off at that post...
You do love to dredge up old news don't you..
Bait not taken..sorry.. Have a merry merry and a happy happy...

Brian,

Who says I was trying to "bait" you?

You can think whatever you want in your paranoia ridden pea brained mind.

Myself and many others here have stopped reading or caring about the wrong information and anger/paranoid inspired ramblings that you spam on this site.

Happy holidays and be safe.

[DiamondDog]

Thought about this last night and felt it needed clarifying.
Mage, I'm not attacking you personally. I'm disappointed by the idea or concept of someone (read anyone) stirring up hornet nests just to get their entertainment. So, it's that idea I'm expressing distaste about.

And DD, my apologies for being ignorant of something earlier. I'm not defending you here, now as means of apology. Instead, I apologize to you directly. I misread something within the forums themselves and saw it as something else. Whatever you and mage have issue over is between the two of you.

So, mage I'm not attacking you personally, but the idea presented. You may actually have a valid reason to encourage discussion aside from personal amusement, I don't see it. That's why in fairness, I defer to let you offer another reason.

I honestly don't think that is your only reason. It may be, in which case I think you should ply such elsewhere. And if you want to call me a pig, or a pinko go right ahead because it won't bother me a whit. You don't know me, nor I you. Labeling those you don't know is pointless, but if it helps you out then enjoy.

void wanders on wearing another person's shoes for a bit so he can find out how to build really neat toaster bombs. He grins, "sarcasm y'all. I already know how to build a perfectly good toaster bomb. Erm, ooops."

Thanks.

[the mage]

Thought about this last night and felt it needed clarifying.
Mage, I'm not attacking you personally. I'm disappointed by the idea or concept of someone (read anyone) stirring up hornet nests just to get their entertainment. So, it's that idea I'm expressing distaste about.

And DD, my apologies for being ignorant of something earlier. I'm not defending you here, now as means of apology. Instead, I apologize to you directly. I misread something within the forums themselves and saw it as something else. Whatever you and mage have issue over is between the two of you.

So, mage I'm not attacking you personally, but the idea presented. You may actually have a valid reason to encourage discussion aside from personal amusement, I don't see it. That's why in fairness, I defer to let you offer another reason.

I honestly don't think that is your only reason. It may be, in which case I think you should ply such elsewhere. And if you want to call me a pig, or a pinko go right ahead because it won't bother me a whit. You don't know me, nor I you. Labeling those you don't know is pointless, but if it helps you out then enjoy.

void wanders on wearing another person's shoes for a bit so he can find out how to build really neat toaster bombs. He grins, "sarcasm y'all. I already know how to build a perfectly good toaster bomb. Erm, ooops."

................ummmm if you do not come here to be entertained why do you come? Sure as hell does amuse me to come here as it does all of you.( If not you're a masochist and reading the wrong forum;)

My postings have stirred a HUGE amount of excellent discussion, (and some crap.) Is that not why we come here? To get involved? to get to know the spirit (and maybe a few bodies) of our compatriots?

I will re-iterate here, LIFE involves your whole mind and spirit. Your sex is a small part of that but your sex ties you (and me) to your fellow deviants.
It is you I choose to speak to. You are not forced to read the posts I generate. I Do chuckle at people who claim to not read them, then promptly respond to them... If my fellow Canuk Drew boots me, fine I'm gone, till then I have things to say. I'm not going away.

It is sad that the ravings of the zirconium puppy got to me when I first joined the forum. His ability to obtusely deny factual evidence regarding the spread of deadly disease combined with his overall moral superiority make him a dangerous little boy. I do not withdraw that opinion. I do with draw the anger and have replaced it with bemusement.
I have chosen to ignore the sub human ravings he has continued with regarding the posting I made here titled "violated". Real life events that I allowed to expose a bit of human vulnerability online have been subsequently made a item of derision by this goon. In the name of "dignity" and, what is it he says, "disrespect" he, in his all knowing omnipotence states it did not happen and I'm some sort of attention seeker...nuff said ....
Perhaps its cultural. I should point out that the UN Aids study that set off this war of words noted that Philadelphia had the highest per capita rate of HIV infection in the U.S... (8% of MSM's) Who knows? I do not claim to, I just put the info out there....

[darkeyes]

deviant??? speak foryasel magie ya daft bugga!!!:tong:

[DiamondDog]

................ummmm if you do not come here to be entertained why do you come? Sure as hell does amuse me to come here as it does all of you.( If not you're a masochist and reading the wrong forum;)

My postings have stirred a HUGE amount of excellent discussion, (and some crap.) Is that not why we come here? To get involved? to get to know the spirit (and maybe a few bodies) of our compatriots?

I will re-iterate here, LIFE involves your whole mind and spirit. Your sex is a small part of that but your sex ties you (and me) to your fellow deviants.
It is you I choose to speak to. You are not forced to read the posts I generate. I Do chuckle at people who claim to not read them, then promptly respond to them... If my fellow Canuk Drew boots me, fine I'm gone, till then I have things to say. I'm not going away.

It is sad that the ravings of the zirconium puppy got to me when I first joined the forum. His ability to obtusely deny factual evidence regarding the spread of deadly disease combined with his overall moral superiority make him a dangerous little boy. I do not withdraw that opinion. I do with draw the anger and have replaced it with bemusement.
I have chosen to ignore the sub human ravings he has continued with regarding the posting I made here titled "violated". Real life events that I allowed to expose a bit of human vulnerability online have been subsequently made a item of derision by this goon. In the name of "dignity" and, what is it he says, "disrespect" he, in his all knowing omnipotence states it did not happen and I'm some sort of attention seeker...nuff said ....
Perhaps its cultural. I should point out that the UN Aids study that set off this war of words noted that Philadelphia had the highest per capita rate of HIV infection in the U.S... (8% of MSM's) Who knows? I do not claim to, I just put the info out there....

Brian,
There you go again twisting my words around in your paranoid head.

You yourself said what happened to you during your NSA sex experience with a complete stranger wasn't really rape but was a "rape" scene (i.e. not real rape), and no big deal at all. I never claimed that you didn't have consensual sex with this person. I also did not say that you wrote about it for attention, you proved the point that you wrote about it to seek attention all by yourself.

Philadelphia the highest city with HIV rates?

LMAO you sound just as bad as my het friend who thought that Philadelphia was the HIV Capital of America just because of the title of the movie with Tom Hanks! Do your own research on the subject, and find out which US City is #1. It's easily available from very reputable sources.

The category of MSM includes bisexual, gay, and closeted gay men who call themselves "straight" too, and black/latino men who are on the "down low" who are gay and don't have any intention of ever coming out yet have a wife/girlfriend to appear het so you can't say that bisexual men alone are soley responsible for the spread of HIV to het women. Don't forget that het women spread it to het men and vice versa and that all types of people of all genders and orientations IV drugs and share needles.

Anyway the argument that bi men alone are the only ones responsible for giving het women HIV is outdated by nearly 20 years, it's wrong/false information, and it's biphobic. But that's not something you care about since you just spam false/wrong info without any real credible sources at all that actually show this as being true and factual information.

Nobody cares about the wrong information and anger/paranoid inspired ramblings that you spam on this site. Grow up. You should know by now that the world doesn't revolve around you or your ego maniac viewpoints about yourself.

Why keep bringing my age up in all of your flames and weak excuses for arguments? Are you jealous or something that you didn't know yourself in your youth, still don't at age 51, and didn't know about your sexuality until you were middle aged and a lot older?

Why see our sexuality as being deviant? This just proves something that myself and many others have known about you all along. I'm not going to say what it is since it's rather obvious and you yourself should know this about yourself but you probably don't.

You actually were banned from this site by your fellow Canuck Drew.

If he actually cared about this site he'd moderate and enforce bans, have a better security/banning system set up, move/lock more threads, and combine topics that come up often together in big threads.

I'm not surprised that you changed your I.P. address in many of the easy ways to do this and got unbanned that way.

This site has gone WAY downhill and lots of people have stopped posting or going here thanks to people who post here like you who flame and just feel the need to be negative and argumentative towards everyone.

[Skater Boy]

Chill out, guys. Maybe this stuff is best kept within private messages, no? I'm NOT trying to censor y'all here. But lets try and keep things pleasant and civil over the festive period. I hope you both have a great Christmas and that the forum grows better and stronger in 2008.

[TaylorMade]

Brian,
There you go again twisting my words around in your paranoid head.

You yourself said what happened to you during your NSA sex experience with a complete stranger wasn't really rape but was a "rape" scene (i.e. not real rape), and no big deal at all. I never claimed that you didn't have consensual sex with this person. I also did not say that you wrote about it for attention, you proved the point that you wrote about it to seek attention all by yourself.

Philadelphia the highest city with HIV rates?

LMAO you sound just as bad as my het friend who thought that Philadelphia was the HIV Capital of America just because of the title of the movie with Tom Hanks! Do your own research on the subject, and find out which US City is #1. It's easily available from very reputable sources.

<snipped for berevity. . .sorry DD>

Damn right it's not. . .I believe it's actually MY county, Dade County, with the largest amount of new AIDS cases in the US.

I honestly don't mind being wrong here, but that's the last I heard of it.

*Taylor*

[DiamondDog]

Damn right it's not. . .I believe it's actually MY county, Dade County, with the largest amount of new AIDS cases in the US.

I honestly don't mind being wrong here, but that's the last I heard of it.

*Taylor*

I don't mind if you cut things for brevity.

I found this but I've also heard that Baltimore is very high up there too as far as cities with high infection rates go but that makes sense.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/27/us/27aids.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/29/washington/29district.html?fta=y

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/11/27/us/27aids.web.html

Philadelphia is #4 on the list but this is on the east coast and only two midwestern cities are listed.

The #1 American city where as far as MSM getting/spreading HIV is San Francisco; but again that's not surprising.

It shouldn't matter about someone's sexual orientation or their gender of the city/area where they're from as this is a human disease and it's everywhere even in small rural areas in the middle of nowhere.

[TaylorMade]

I found this but I've also heard that Baltimore is very high up there too as far as cities with high infection rates go but that makes sense.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/27/us/27aids.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/29/washington/29district.html?fta=y


Okay... but I also know my stats on Miami are old, but I know they're up there.

And I know that neither of these are Philly.

<shrug

*Taylor*

[mastermasterd]

Discussion with a few people over the last few days led to my looking this up..
This really is a telling and a bit scary site....only one mind you...there are of course conflicting ones.

http://www.fdrs.org/fascism_definition.html


The premise in all of the discussions is that America the democracy you were taught to love is dead, you now live in amerika the fascist state.



first thing that comes to mind is that the premise is wrong. The constituion established a republic, not a democracy. we have been sold the lie of the "lynch mob" mindset of democracy. And we all bought it. yes tv, drugs, and all the indutries that they invest trillions of dollars into to pacify us "common people" are an opiate, like soma, and "feelies". (remember brave new world peeps?).

i say some more later. right now im at a friends house, kinda rude to stay here vs hangin out with them. later alls.

[void()]

................ummmm if you do not come here to be entertained why do you come? Sure as hell does amuse me to come here as it does all of you.( If not you're a masochist and reading the wrong forum;)





My postings have stirred a HUGE amount of excellent discussion, (and some crap.) Is that not why we come here? To get involved? to get to know the spirit (and maybe a few bodies) of our compatriots?



I will re-iterate here, LIFE involves your whole mind and spirit. Your sex is a small part of that but your sex ties you (and me) to your fellow deviants.
It is you I choose to speak to. You are not forced to read the posts I generate. I Do chuckle at people who claim to not read them, then promptly respond to them... If my fellow Canuk Drew boots me, fine I'm gone, till then I have things to say. I'm not going away.

It is sad that the ravings of the zirconium puppy got to me when I first joined the forum. His ability to obtusely deny factual evidence regarding the spread of deadly disease combined with his overall moral superiority make him a dangerous little boy. I do not withdraw that opinion. I do with draw the anger and have replaced it with bemusement.
I have chosen to ignore the sub human ravings he has continued with regarding the posting I made here titled "violated". Real life events that I allowed to expose a bit of human vulnerability online have been subsequently made a item of derision by this goon. In the name of "dignity" and, what is it he says, "disrespect" he, in his all knowing omnipotence states it did not happen and I'm some sort of attention seeker...nuff said ....
Perhaps its cultural. I should point out that the UN Aids study that set off this war of words noted that Philadelphia had the highest per capita rate of HIV infection in the U.S... (8% of MSM's) Who knows? I do not claim to, I just put the info out there....



I visit because of hope. There's always hope I may find some nice gentleman to engage in a long term relationship. If I'm a masochist so what? I may also be a bit misanthropic by my INTP personality's nature, doesn't mean one flavor is for or not for me.

Agreed there, yet the crap generated is outweighing the excellence in my humble opinion.

So you accept what the majority opinion of society tells you is normal? Come now, such a bore as to make me snore. I've not claimed to not read your posts. I've just said it appears you're using smoke and mirrors to bait folks, and I see through it. Keep the conversation continuity here, otherwise I'll walk away. You're not offering me much to discuss. You're just rehashing what I consider to be banal and droll fecal matter of something not particularly gone out of way to accept.

That's popular opinion of current society. Sorry, not really interested. I don't watch tv, seldom bother looking at any news, own no cell phones, have no excessive interest in politics, not interested in religion, not a sports fan, not into wrenching on cars / bikes etc, so you have a narrow base of subjects left to discuss with me.

Care to talk about Richard Bach's books, maybe discuss Ronald Tobias' Twenty Master Plots, maybe Campbell's Hero's Journey? You might even like to ramble on about De Sade's Dialog Between a Dying Man and a Priest. How about we talk about how the Shenandoah River has become so polluted in the past decade you can't fish in it? Maybe we can trade bass fishing tips? You know how to field dress a fox? Can you make quick turtle soup? Know how to build an ice cave?

There you go, I've given you quite a few things that hold interest on this end. as you can see I'm about resourcefulness, self sustainment, possibly what folks may dub a survivalist nut job. Ever read the Foxfire series of books?

They're chock full of good old fashion country folk know how. I love that series of books, along with the optimist Poe. I also like Coleridge, Strunk & White, Henely who wrote _Inviticus_. So now you got a wide open door, up to you if you use it or not. I frankly don't care one way or the other. I'll talk with you if can actually converse, if not I'll just stare blankly.

[Bluebiyou]

ROFLMAO!!!!
I'm not even able to blankly stare back at you! I'm laughing too hard!
Yes, Poe the optimist...

[vittoria]

:eek:


:rolleyes: here we go....

[void()]

That's fine, laugh it up. :)

I think Poe was an optimist because of Lenore. He at least had unrequited love. Where as some folks don't even get that much. So he said life was a dream within a dream, adding further credit to the rowing song.

"Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream, merrily merrily life is but a dream."

Pretty damn optimistic view if you ask me. Then again, I may be over thinking the whole butterfly being me or me being the butterfly bit.

Think I'll stick with Neil Peart's bit from Fountain of Lamneth - Life is but a candle, the dream must be the flame. But even that is still optimistic.

Ben sighs. "Why can't someone write something bleakly pessimistic?"
He reads over the employments ads for his locality. "Wait, someone did."

In seriousness though, I'm glad you're laughing. I am too, despite it all hurting like a bitch. Life's too serious not to laugh about.

[FalconAngel]

As I read through the responses by people on this thread, I am greatly troubled.

Sure, there is a degree of paranoia, but there is a huge amount of truth to the fact that there has been, and continues to be, greater loss of Liberty over the past 30 years than in any other time in this nation's history.
And it has been gradual, so that no one notices.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/childprotectionreform/message/93274;_ylc=X3oDMTJyNDdkNXY1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycEl kAzUxNDMyMTEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYzOTg1BG1zZ0lkAzkzM jc0BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzExOTgwMjM2Njg-

Try being a non-custodial parent with the state-sponsored divorce industry at your back, ready to plunge a knife into you.
Debtor's prison was outlawed in the late 1800's, but if you are poor or homeless AND an NCP, then it is off to jail you go. Some judges expect you to, quite literally, sell the clothes off your back to insure that the support enforcement agencies get the money to insure that they get their Title IV money from the Fed.

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/

Not to worry, all of you married parents....they didn't forget about you either. Under that same Social Security Act, Title IV, the DFCS agencies get funding and bonuses too.
Based on caseload.
All they need is for someone to make an anonymous call or have a caseworker fabricate things and they jump in there to take your kids away to be adopted out, since you have become an unfit parent.
And all the while, they will tell you that they are trying to help you get the kids back. But everything that they ask you to do helps them.

http://www.myspace.com/fallenangel1999

That's just in the family situations. It was Stalin who said that the easiest way to take over the country is to destroy the family unit.

We have been made to surrender our liberties, all in the sake of "Terrorism" and our news media have not helped in the least. Whether they are government controlled or not doesn't matter. They jump on the sensationalism bandwagon, all for the sake of ratings.

The Bob Woodwards of the media have all long since left us. No one wants to fight the good fight in the press like they used to.

Our schools continue to dumb down our children by cutting out music and science programs in favor of keeping sports programs, filling those few, who are able to successfully participate, with false hopes of becoming sports heros.
Something that less than 1&#37; will ever become.

But not to worry, because corporate America can always use undereducated people to work minimum wage jobs for them so that the rich will have all of the luxuries that many will soon not be able to afford.

Sounds pretty doom and gloomy, huh?

Look at recent history. At no other time in our nations history have there been so many laws that protect the rich, limit the power of the poor and work so hard at destroying families.
We have more laws that are redundant or even stupid than has ever even been suggested.

The VAWA is a prime example. There were already laws to protect women equally to men. It has been a matter of enforcing them. But thanks to that lack of enforcement, we now have a law that specifically excludes one gender from equal protection at the expense of another.
Still think that we are not loosing our freedom? Take another look at the way things have been going.
Look at the laws that have been passed because of political correctness. We have made people afraid to speak their minds.

Before PC took over, you could say anything you wanted, short of promoting civil violence. Now with PC, if you say anything that is not PC, then you are labeled a racist/sexist/theist. No matter how correct your statement may be. Science has even taken a back seat to PC. It is just a short step away from literally outlawing unpopular speech. Before PC it may have been stupid to say things that were wrong, but it didn't necessarily make you a paria. Now, thanks to PC, it does. Whether you are right or wrong.

So much for freedom of the press and freedom of speech. That is leaving us along with common sense and education.

And we are allowing it. We could all urge our politicians to read the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution and it's amendments along with the Bill of Rights, but it probably won't do any good.

People who seek power rarely return it to the people voluntarily. It isn't in our nature as humans.

[Herbwoman39]

I am replying mainly to FalconAngel and I would have quoted, but that was quite a long post to quote.

While I agree with a great deal of what you're saying, there are some things that just chap my hide. Mind you, I am not mad at you. I am pissed as hell at the situation. Two totally different things.

First, if I hear that class warfare line one more time, I'm going to flippin lose it. I am fortunate to be financially well off, When my husband's mother died from a rare and horrible degenerative disease, he inherited a great deal of money. We have used that money not only for ourselves but also for charitable donations and social programs. Many of us "evil rich" do that.

Where I have the problem is when the government comes along and says "We're taking more money for this program for ____________ ". What happens if I don't WANT to fund whatever it is? I'm screwed. I'll go to jail if I say no. Just because I'm fortunate to have more money than someone else does NOT give the government the right to take it away!! This government takes our money at the point of a firearm under the guise of benefiting the less fortunate.

Hell, let the "less fortunate" get their behinds out there and better themselves. I did. I used to work for McDonald's in my mid 20's. I got sick of it and got into a program to become a nursing assistant. Not a single day off in 6 months but I worked my butt off because my sons are worth it. I was a single mother at the time working 5 days a week at McD's and 2 days in class. I didn't have a car and I lived in a house that probably should have been condemned. But by Gods, I did what i had to do to make life better for my family. I then got a job in the local hospital for $3 more per hour. If I can improve myself, ANYONE can!

We have used part of the inheritance to buy a business that we have incorporated. (sorry to pimp and Drew can delete this if he feels it necessary: www.handsonaromatherapy.com 10% off your first order) So we have the added *bonus* of owning a corporation. Let's get something straight. Corporations do NOT, I repeat, do NOT pay taxes. We collect taxes and pass them on to the government. Taxes are embedded in the price of the products we offer. Those taxes have been passed along from our suppliers, who were in turn taxed by the growers, etc. We do not pay taxes and when taxes are raised, we pass that increase along to the consumer, just like every other business owner.

As for education, it is the parent's responsibility to make sure their children are learning what they need to learn to survive in the world. Public schools are no longer places of education. Many are just big babysitting centers. Kids are taught with the goal of passing standardized tests and these days grades are negotiable. If a parent complains, the teacher is automatically expected to change the child's grade. It's ridiculous.

Okay...now that I've totally blow a gasket... :)

Yes, this country is going to hell in a handbasket. I agree with Thomas Jefferson's quote, "The tree of Liberty bust be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.".

I think it's time for another revolution.

[Azrael]

My postings have stirred a HUGE amount of excellent discussion, (and some crap.) Is that not why we come here? To get involved? to get to know the spirit (and maybe a few bodies) of our compatriots?

Is that what you call going on raving tangents, spewing other people's data and threatening people who don't agree with you?

Just saying :tong: