bisexuals not being pro LGBT, why is it a crime.....

[Long Duck Dong]

its a question that is loaded, in a number of ways

its also a very touchy subject......

now for a lil bit of a background about where I live.....
gay marriage is legal and called the civil union... its illegal to discriminate on the grounds of race, sexuality, age or gender so I ask from a different view to things than a person that may be in a country where discrimination is still going

I am known as a person that is not pro LGBT.... but PRO humanity.... and I have noticed on a number of occasions, that its a * crime * for me to not be pro LGBT..... and I find that amusing

it feels like I get frowned upon if I don't see discrimination or LGBT phobia in newspaper articles, website forums, work places etc etc etc.... or if I am not complaining about the activities of another forum, website, net writer etc etc

I am the type of person that is open to freedom of speech.... and I know that its bloody near impossible to draw a line in the sand and say what is acceptable and what is not

as for being bisexual..... well...i'm bisexual.......and thats about all I can say about it
lol....its no big deal to me... its just part of who I am......its not a accomplishment...a achievement... a nobel prize winning contribution to society.... its just a part of me....

I do not feel the need to wave a banner about my bisexuality....I have more important things to do, like pay the bills, do the gardens, do the house work etc etc

I am sorry but I just don't feel that my attraction to both genders is enuf grounds for me to take on the world and argue and debate and fight......


but I constantly notice the pressure on people like me..... we should support LGBT rights, we should go to LGBT gatherings... we should do more for the LGBT community ........

me??? i perfer to just hang with friends, laugh, joke, cry, drink and not feel like I have to be a bisexual and crusading against the * evils * of society.....

the idea of taking a 4 hour ferry trip and driving for 1200 kilometers to the location of the only major LGBT events, is something that I can do without

the idea of going out to the local LBGT gatherings and getting dirty looks cos I am bisexual, and getting ear bashed about the aids / hiv issues, how gays and les should treat bi's like equals and how we are not a meet market but who is going home with who?, doesn't appeal to me

as for the LGBT community....I don't see biphobia in every article, forum, website etc, I actually just see possible friends.....simple, honest friends.....


so excuse me if I am not big on the LGBT rights etc etc......or that I am not pro LGBT...but I am actually pro humanity.....

I perfer to smile at people rather than find faults with them......

I perfer to have a friendly chat with them rather than debate the issues of biphobia.....

I perfer to hang with people rather than go to LGBT events where people of some sexualities may be excluded or given dirty looks simply for the crime of not sharing the same attractions that I do.....

I perfer to be aware of the fact that aids / hiv affects everybody.....the same with stds, pregnancy, relationship break ups, divorce, infidelity etc... and that its not just the LGBT community that hurts cos of it.....

I perfer to think that everybody in bisexual.com.....is human first.... then a person with a sexuality....rather than defined by their sexuality first.... then regarded as a human only in the broader picture....like a population count or a census

maybe I am wrong, maybe I am right....but thats my views as a human.....
the bisexual part of me is too busy checking out ya body to post its opinion...lol

[12voltman59]

Well Long--I have said before---I am of the mind that I don't work for "the rights" of any one group per se---it is my feeling that one should be for equal rights and such for all human beings--that to restrict the rights of one group is actually limiting to us all----so I fall into the category of being for "human rights" of all not for the "rights" of any one group or class---

[shameless agitator]

I agree with 12volt here. I do want to point out though that legally civil union is not the same thing as marriage. There are a lot of rights that go with marriage that you don't get with a civil union. I have no beef with taking a broader approach as long as you stand for something. I do take the outlook that if you're not part of the problem, then you're part of the solution, or as Dr. King put it, "Silence is betrayal". I know I'm coming off a bit harsh, but the only reason they're able to get away with discrimination is because so many people are too complacent to fight back.

[Long Duck Dong]

where I live, the civil union is equal to marriage in every respect..... apart from the name

I guess that I stand for basic rights for all.... without getting too political about it
in respects to the LBGT community.... I simply think that we all deserve good healthcare, employment, housing etc ..but I do not feel that we have the right to demand that we get seperate treatment based on our sexuality

medical treatment
a gay / les / bi person is the same as a hetero person...... but trans people and intersex MAY require a form of more specialised treatment.....as their needs are different


employment
you are employed to do a job..... and unless its sexuality specific ( something like a porn star ).... then I struggle to see how talking ya boss, you are bisexual, improves your ability to use a computer or drive a vehicle
its a bit like the us military....with the * don't ask, don't tell * policy.....
do soldiers go out on the field and shoot only the gay or bi enemy ????

etc etc

I accept that people want to fight for equality and LGBT rights....and thats cool..... but I refuse to fight for the right to rub my sexuality in others faces and force them to shut their mouths and not have a opinion

[Germanicus]

its a question that is loaded, in a number of ways

its also a very touchy subject......

now for a lil bit of a background about where I live.....
gay marriage is legal and called the civil union... its illegal to discriminate on the grounds of race, sexuality, age or gender so I ask from a different view to things than a person that may be in a country where discrimination is still going

I am known as a person that is not pro LGBT.... but PRO humanity.... and I have noticed on a number of occasions, that its a * crime * for me to not be pro LGBT..... and I find that amusing

it feels like I get frowned upon if I don't see discrimination or LGBT phobia in newspaper articles, website forums, work places etc etc etc.... or if I am not complaining about the activities of another forum, website, net writer etc etc

I am the type of person that is open to freedom of speech.... and I know that its bloody near impossible to draw a line in the sand and say what is acceptable and what is not

as for being bisexual..... well...i'm bisexual.......and thats about all I can say about it
lol....its no big deal to me... its just part of who I am......its not a accomplishment...a achievement... a nobel prize winning contribution to society.... its just a part of me....

I do not feel the need to wave a banner about my bisexuality....I have more important things to do, like pay the bills, do the gardens, do the house work etc etc

I am sorry but I just don't feel that my attraction to both genders is enuf grounds for me to take on the world and argue and debate and fight......


but I constantly notice the pressure on people like me..... we should support LGBT rights, we should go to LGBT gatherings... we should do more for the LGBT community ........

me??? i perfer to just hang with friends, laugh, joke, cry, drink and not feel like I have to be a bisexual and crusading against the * evils * of society.....

the idea of taking a 4 hour ferry trip and driving for 1200 kilometers to the location of the only major LGBT events, is something that I can do without

the idea of going out to the local LBGT gatherings and getting dirty looks cos I am bisexual, and getting ear bashed about the aids / hiv issues, how gays and les should treat bi's like equals and how we are not a meet market but who is going home with who?, doesn't appeal to me

as for the LGBT community....I don't see biphobia in every article, forum, website etc, I actually just see possible friends.....simple, honest friends.....


so excuse me if I am not big on the LGBT rights etc etc......or that I am not pro LGBT...but I am actually pro humanity.....

Ditto, mate, ditto.

I've tried to fit into the community and come unstuck. I thought I had to do this when I first came out to myself, but I've realised that by attempting to fit in, I was avoiding issues much more than confronting them. It wasnt my sexuality that I avoided, but my personality that I was avoiding. I was using the community as another way of occupying my time so I didnt have to look at myself too closely (though I'm rectifying this by going to counselling run by an LGBT centre).

I will argue that all this ranting and raving about the persecution we Bisexuals have to "endure" is just chasing after phantoms, and internal phantoms at that. I remember you making a similar post

(http://main.bisexual.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3072)http://main.bisexual.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3072

and I'll agree with that. Life is too short to deal with other people's internalised issues projected outwards as "your" issues. That way leads to unhappiness.

[ambi53mm]

maybe I am wrong, maybe I am right....but thats my views as a human.....
the bisexual part of me is too busy checking out ya body to post its opinion...lol

Well Hey be sure to check mine out cuz I've already checked yours out... you hot sexy thing you LOL

Ambi:)

[elian]

LDD - people have neural networks in their brains - they like to label and classify things because it's easier to glob a bunch of things together under the labels "good" and "evil" and classify them with emotional responses then to have to remember hundreds and hundreds of discrete individual items.

People like affinity groups because individually (some of them) can feel awash in a sea without a voice..they aren't sure if the choices they are making are the correct choices. The group gives them a voice and (possibly) a sense of security to know that others validate and support their own world view.

Pesronally I find the more I try to label myself gender-wise the more confused I become. I gets to the point of just letting people be.

From a male perspective if the more homophobic among our society wouldn't consider even the SLIGHTEST form of men showing compassion to one another derogatory then maybe there would be less of a need for labels and groups. I mean the truth is men still have a full range of emotions too.

I took a class based on the book "The Gender Knot" once, and what our informal survey showed was that men get tired of always having to be "protectors" and women got tired of what they perceived as a lack of independence. So the question is - if none are happy with the rules why even have them?

[darkeyes]

We r all human before ne thin is summat wich 2 many peeps forget.. an we all go through life doin wot our heart an mind tell us is right for us, its no crime not 2 b actively pro lgbt... mayb don help us 2 much but its every1s rite 2 run ther lives as they feel best for them... as long as yas not anti..thats wen we get inta trubble..wen our own actively oppose ne or all wot LGBT is about...

[void()]

I do not feel the need to wave a banner about my bisexuality....I have more important things to do, like pay the bills, do the gardens, do the house work etc etc

I am sorry but I just don't feel that my attraction to both genders is enuf grounds for me to take on the world and argue and debate and fight......


Wow, guess I'm not alone in that sentiment after all. This said not be joining, but rather to note a commonality. And this is a big reason why I don't bother running around with a bullhorn and shouting out loudly, "hey I'm bisexual!" There's really no need.

If someone asks and I feel their question is out of genuine concern or respect, then sure I may tell them. Otherwise, I just figure it's not really anyone's business except lovers behind a bedroom door. Glad someone else shares similar views.

[shameless agitator]

Off topic, but Void, I was just wondering where the quotation in your signature came from?

[vittoria]

its a question that is loaded, in a number of ways

its also a very touchy subject......

now for a lil bit of a background about where I live.....
gay marriage is legal and called the civil union... its illegal to discriminate on the grounds of race, sexuality, age or gender so I ask from a different view to things than a person that may be in a country where discrimination is still going

I am known as a person that is not pro LGBT.... but PRO humanity.... and I have noticed on a number of occasions, that its a * crime * for me to not be pro LGBT..... and I find that amusing

it feels like I get frowned upon if I don't see discrimination or LGBT phobia in newspaper articles, website forums, work places etc etc etc.... or if I am not complaining about the activities of another forum, website, net writer etc etc

I am the type of person that is open to freedom of speech.... and I know that its bloody near impossible to draw a line in the sand and say what is acceptable and what is not

as for being bisexual..... well...i'm bisexual.......and thats about all I can say about it
lol....its no big deal to me... its just part of who I am......its not a accomplishment...a achievement... a nobel prize winning contribution to society.... its just a part of me....

I do not feel the need to wave a banner about my bisexuality....I have more important things to do, like pay the bills, do the gardens, do the house work etc etc

I am sorry but I just don't feel that my attraction to both genders is enuf grounds for me to take on the world and argue and debate and fight......


but I constantly notice the pressure on people like me..... we should support LGBT rights, we should go to LGBT gatherings... we should do more for the LGBT community ........

me??? i perfer to just hang with friends, laugh, joke, cry, drink and not feel like I have to be a bisexual and crusading against the * evils * of society.....

the idea of taking a 4 hour ferry trip and driving for 1200 kilometers to the location of the only major LGBT events, is something that I can do without

the idea of going out to the local LBGT gatherings and getting dirty looks cos I am bisexual, and getting ear bashed about the aids / hiv issues, how gays and les should treat bi's like equals and how we are not a meet market but who is going home with who?, doesn't appeal to me

as for the LGBT community....I don't see biphobia in every article, forum, website etc, I actually just see possible friends.....simple, honest friends.....


so excuse me if I am not big on the LGBT rights etc etc......or that I am not pro LGBT...but I am actually pro humanity.....

I perfer to smile at people rather than find faults with them......

I perfer to have a friendly chat with them rather than debate the issues of biphobia.....

I perfer to hang with people rather than go to LGBT events where people of some sexualities may be excluded or given dirty looks simply for the crime of not sharing the same attractions that I do.....

I perfer to be aware of the fact that aids / hiv affects everybody.....the same with stds, pregnancy, relationship break ups, divorce, infidelity etc... and that its not just the LGBT community that hurts cos of it.....

I perfer to think that everybody in bisexual.com.....is human first.... then a person with a sexuality....rather than defined by their sexuality first.... then regarded as a human only in the broader picture....like a population count or a census

maybe I am wrong, maybe I am right....but thats my views as a human.....
the bisexual part of me is too busy checking out ya body to post its opinion...lol


AMEN

youre preachin to the choir. i understand. some people feel that just because i dont act like i have a problem( as in walk around with a chip on my shoulder because i'm bi) and wear "LOOK EVERYONE I"M BISEXUAL" on a tee shirt that i've committed mortal sin.

screw it

do what you feel

be yourself

damn the rest

conquer the universe with the power of truth

[DiamondDog]

I'm pro LGBT rights for most things like housing, healthcare, job security, adoption rights, anti-hate crime laws, and same gender marriage.

But there's not a real LGBT culture or "community" as much as there's not a real heterosexual culture or community.

While I'm out I don't like the heterophobia that goes on among LGBT people, the whole "us vs. them" mentality that goes along with it, and I don't like how lots of LGBT people seem to alienate themselves from everyone else and how this in turn makes other LGBT people/heterosexuals/the general human population turned off to the idea of LGBT equal rights.

[the mage]

Any time you focus your social network in one area (IE;the gay "community") you cant help but want to empower your community.
Others in the community will want new members, and strength, so any one half way in the door gets pulled one way or the other.

Its not a crime to not be a political person,(interpersonally not politically) but I do suggest to you all,that the personal comfort level you now have will not last if you do not get involved, and fast.

Your "rights" were fought for by men and women in your past.
Your enjoyment of "freedom" is not permanent, you'd do well to remember it.

[darkeyes]

Agree wivya Magie..but wotya wanna do?? Hav sum kinda national service for gay an bi peeps??? Conscript em??? Ratha hav a few passionate volunteers on me side that an army of half hearted conscripts... an ya don need em ne way..long as ya gets ya message across 2 the peeps who do matta... in the last 50 years or so the progress of our community has been made by the faithful arguin the toss an gettin that point across 2 the community at large... an that no doubt is how it will continue...

Wen we really havta stik togetha is wen the backlash cums..as it will at sum stage.. but no doubt many of those same peeps will stay silent.. but not all.. sum, many even will stand wiv us...jus as sum, many of them an all, of the historically committed activists will suddenly get cold feet, bottle out an head for cover fast as ther lil legs will carry em...... wotta wonderfully adaptable an complex animal we r... an wot wonderfully admirable an yet contemptible creatures we can b at same time...

[FalconAngel]

In the case of some gays and lesbians, they want our support, but they get offended when we want theirs, since the ones in question don't really believe in Bisexuality.
They feel that they have been betrayed since we are "working our way to being Gay/Lesbian" in their eyes and should be in support of the LGT rights, so to them we are traitors to the cause since we also want to be recognized as the B in LGBT.
They feel that we should be happy that our rights as gays and lesbians are being supported because they don't believe that we can possibly be Bi. To them we only exist when they need us and when they don't need us, we do not exist.

[Howardmoon]

Well, for one example, when I tune into the radio show This Way Out, I hear that they are for the "Lesbian and Gay Community," not the "Lesbian, Gay Bisexual Transgender Community." In other words, a lot of activists seem to want to leave us out.

[Long Duck Dong]

Any time you focus your social network in one area (IE;the gay "community") you cant help but want to empower your community.
Others in the community will want new members, and strength, so any one half way in the door gets pulled one way or the other.

Its not a crime to not be a political person,(interpersonally not politically) but I do suggest to you all,that the personal comfort level you now have will not last if you do not get involved, and fast.

Your "rights" were fought for by men and women in your past.
Your enjoyment of "freedom" is not permanent, you'd do well to remember it.


I live in NZ..... read up about the LGBT movement in nz......

everybody in nz has the same rights regardless of sexuality........

you remove all the LGBT rights.... and the BI community remains untouched.....its the LGT community that lose out

as for discrimination ??? lol......

how about we start by removing it from within the LGBT community before we point the finger at others