More bi-phobia on Gay Message Boards

[Promising Galahad]

For anyone interested I thought I'd give an update. Apparently I'm gonna be banned for sticking up for bisexuals. See this thread.

http://main.bisexual.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4726

The thread was closed because the moderators felt I was out of line. If this isn;t a classic case of biphobia, I don;t know what is.

The entire thread is here.

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3410932#post3410932

[pasco_lol_cpl]

Oh for fucks sake, talk about an over reaction and bias by a moderator. Im feel for you if you are going to get banned, but that mod is so out of line its not even funny, and Im speaking as a mod on a board that is pretty strict in its moderation.

[DiamondDog]

How's that being biphobic just because the moderator closed the thread since you kept going on tons of rants and flipping out? Didn't you originally want the biphobic thread closed or deleted?

I also post on the forum there and I've been there for awhile.

It used to be a lot worse with the biphobia, and there wasn't a bi forum at all, and they were way more PC and touchy about things.

Also the moderators there don't resent creating a bi forum.

You won't get banned from that fourm since I've seen people post way worse stuff and not get banned at all.

You can't change a bigot's mind or an idiot's mind and the people who post things like that just want to get a rise out of people.

Here's something that I read on the forums there before that someone else wrote that I agree with:

>you're wasting your time because of the reason for their contempt. it's an us vs. them thing...they want you to pick a side cause like straight people who are scared of gays, these guys are scared of bi's. and they're more than a little jealous. i really believe that. plus, they all covet straight dudes...someone once pointed out to me that soilwork specifically makes a living of fratmen which is a gay site with "straight" and "bi" guys...can you smell that? it's the stink of hypocrisy.<

All places can be biphobic even this site. I read posts by the mage where he wrote that ALL/most women who get HIV supposedly somehow get it from bisexual men who cheat on them with other men and this too is biphobia and it's outdated, which isn't to say that it never happens but the idea that bi men are somehow the #1 link to women getting HIV is biphobic and outdated since it's over 25 years old and hasn't been proven to be true.

I've even seen homophobic posts/topics here on bisexual.com and so have other posters here.

[Bluebiyou]

WELL!!!
I think that.... "poof":eek:

[Promising Galahad]

DiamondDog the Op and I get along great. I sent him a PM and we exchanged messages back and fourth. He's actually cool. The OP saw this and posted it. I thought it was coming from him. It was actually the moderators who started it. They started in on me as if I was starting trouble. They closed the thread as a result to 'my attitude'. I have recieved about 8 PM's from others who say the biphobia on the bisexual board over there is terrible. They don;t even try to hide it. I suggested getting a bisexual to moderate the bisexual board and thats when they got really pissy. I posted this on here and a few other sites. I guess people have been signing up just to send PM's to Mods.Anyway, they more or less appologized in a very flimsy manner in private. I told them to make it public.They had no problem lashing me in the center of town on the open message board. If your truly sorry appoligize. Well, its been since 10:00 this morning and I hear crickets. The mods over there are like policemen with tazers. They are gay men who resent bisexuals and they are drunk with power.

[stuporman]

Who cares? Galahad, I've gotten more crap from stupid people who were drunk with power than most people...or Adam Kadmon, even. Given the choice between being me or being a Black Transexual Liberal Pagan living in Wyoming, most people would pick the second option, becasue they would be more socially acceptable. Lets face, it "normal people", are just plain stupid.
"Yet there be my freinds who are hermits....it may be that yon beggar is a King, for while a King can choose his garment as he will, a beggar cannot hide his poverty. Love all therefore, lest one force another, Kign against King! Say you so? Fool! Strike low and hard! if he be truly a King, thou canst not hurt him." -Aleister Crowley, The Book of the Law

"Good people drink good beer" - Hunter Thompson
"Good people drink good beer. We drink natural ice" - The Detours
:stoned:

[Azrael]

I read posts by the mage where he wrote that ALL/most women who get HIV supposedly somehow get it from bisexual men who cheat on them with other men and this too is biphobia and it's outdated, which isn't to say that it never happens but the idea that bi men are somehow the #1 link to women getting HIV is biphobic and outdated since it's over 25 years old and hasn't been proven to be true.


He's a charlatan at best. I'm still trying to figure out how he got himself unbanned. No objective information, just regurgitations of other people's odious ideas as well as a rather condescending attitude.
But then, I can be quite a prick in my own way. Perhaps I'm not being fair.
Oh well. Products of our environment, every one of us.

[DiamondDog]

DiamondDog the Op and I get along great. I sent him a PM and we exchanged messages back and fourth. He's actually cool. The OP saw this and posted it. I thought it was coming from him. It was actually the moderators who started it. They started in on me as if I was starting trouble. They closed the thread as a result to 'my attitude'. I have recieved about 8 PM's from others who say the biphobia on the bisexual board over there is terrible. They don;t even try to hide it. I suggested getting a bisexual to moderate the bisexual board and thats when they got really pissy. I posted this on here and a few other sites. I guess people have been signing up just to send PM's to Mods.Anyway, they more or less appologized in a very flimsy manner in private. I told them to make it public.They had no problem lashing me in the center of town on the open message board. If your truly sorry appoligize. Well, its been since 10:00 this morning and I hear crickets. The mods over there are like policemen with tazers. They are gay men who resent bisexuals and they are drunk with power.

OK, but you're not answering my questions with what you wrote on here, or the other post you replied to about this topic.

The moderators run the board and they said how the original poster of that thread wanted it locked and later deleted, if he did this what's so wrong about doing his request? Didn't you originally want the thread locked/closed since it's biphobic? How would you have handled it?

Also it's their board so it's their rules. I post on other boards and threads get moved/deleted/edited all the time since the moderators see fit, they're in the wrong forum or they've been covered before, or they're flames or not constructive posts at all.

Is your real issue with the moderators or with the original poster and his attitude? At first you wrote a post towards the original poster and his viewpoints, and then it was towards the moderators. Is it towards both?

If it's so unfair and biphobic there why don't more people actually do something and speak out about it and write lots of topics about it in public on the board there?

Or why don't they work with the moderators to set up rules so the board isn't so biphobic?

I don't really post there that much anymore since it's a boring site and I do get tired of beating a dead horse and talking about nothing but my sexuality.

[FalconAngel]

Just finished reading the forum that you had posted on and DAMN!!

Talk about injustice and bias.

I would send that moderator a private message to stop being biased. If he says that he isn't, then tell him "Stop pissing on my leg and trying to convince me it's raining."

He claims that he isn't being biased: He's lying. He was very biased. He let other members basically gang up on you and pound you down because you happened to have facts that dispute their disinformation.

So many guys claimed to be "ex-bisexuals". How can they claim that it doesn't exist if the "used to be" Bi? How can they have been something that, to them, doesn't exist?

What they did was wrong. Plain and simple.

[Promising Galahad]

"OK, but you're not answering my questions with what you wrote on here, or the other post you replied to about this topic.

The moderators run the board and they said how the original poster of that thread wanted it locked and later deleted, if he did this what's so wrong about doing his request? Didn't you originally want the thread locked/closed since it's biphobic? How would you have handled it?"

I never really wanted it banned because I wanted people to see both sides. I also wanted people to see how what I said and how the Mods reacted was just unfair and bias. I probably would have handled it by letting well enough alone. Every time I'd post I'd end it with,'okay back on topic' or 'lets move on'.It was the mods who I felt wanted the upperhand or the last word. This kept escalating the matter making it worse. Mods are suppose to keep everything calm. These mods had an attitude and were getting thier ego's bruised.


You bring up alot of questions. I usually don't post there either. I read posts and check out the news and pics. But I sometimes check out the Bisexual section that was added only a few months ago. I recieved PM's from people who didn't post who say they refuse. They all said the mods are drunk with power and do follow their own rules. One example. The mods don;t allow in the bisexual section profanity. Yet the OP told me and others to back the fuck off. No warning or a word about this at all. A couple weeks ago I said something like "'m just fucking around" and I got a warning. The gay guy is allowed to use profanity out of anger yet the bisexual says it as a friendly gestture and gets a warning.

So, they are not following the ruls they make. They are not enforcing their rules. They are deciding who has to play by the rules and who can slide.It sounds biphobic to me. There are other bi's who post who similar things have happened. So, my issues are with the Mods and not the OP. I also must have struck a nerve when I suggested getting bi mods for the bisexual board. The 2 gay mods who PM me were offended that I even suggest a gay man could not be fair(I never said that by the way but defensive people usually spell it out for you)

FalconAngel, I did PM them. The PM's were very direct. The mods were pissed because I didn't address my concerns in private. I said it was the MOD who felt he wanted to put on a show by lashing in the open forum so all could see so why can't I defend myself in the same manner. I was accused of intentionally embarassing them and they are coonsidering deleting my posts (leaving in theirs of course) No appology. They say I am crazy for even suggesting bias yet I have 8 PM's from others who say there is and they won't post there because of the attitude and anger the Mods have.

I use to donate to their site twice a year. Not much, like $20-30 bucks twice a year. I told them I would no longer give a penny and I am PMing all the others who PM me telling no to do the same.They came back a little softer telling me I'm an assett to the board and I keep the discussions lively and so on. The mods hate me and I doubt I've heard the last of them. I tell everyone to sign up and keep an eye on the boards. I thin what finally may have done it in was this.

"Us Bisexuals are the black sheep of the gay community. Next to the transgenders we're the ones you wish weren't around. But guess what? We're here, we're bi,get use to it. Love us or hate us we're all in this together. We're fighting the same fight and we're more family than you may care to admit. We're not going anywhere. Might as well make the best of it."

Oh yeah, that set some people off for sure!

[the mage]

He's a charlatan at best. I'm still trying to figure out how he got himself unbanned. No objective information, just regurgitations of other people's odious ideas as well as a rather condescending attitude.
But then, I can be quite a prick in my own way. Perhaps I'm not being fair.
Oh well. Products of our environment, every one of us.


..........................hehehe...........Just like in high school, being intelligent, politically active, and socially conscience gets you picked on by the big bad bullies..
.. Geeze 'I m skinny too, I guess I should be oh so scared.

go ahead boys, ya don't bug me,
cause I got the blonde!

[The Barefoot Contess]

CHILDREN!!!, please mind your manners :tong:

[FalconAngel]

Well, by threatening to remove only your posts, they have effectively said that they don't want to know the truth.
They have, in effect, said that bisexuals do not exist and they don't care that the facts prove otherwise.

By editing out opposing views and facts, they are saying that you, as a Bisexual, do not matter until such time as you "pick a side and stick with it", sexually, which would make you, in their minds, not Bisexual.

Now we all know that censorship like that is the weapon of totalitarians and that there are no laws to prevent it on the web, but there are those who, given a small amount of power, become petty tyrants in a big way.
We see it all the time with condo board presidents here in Florida. Little men all their lives, suddenly given the power over their apartment complex or mobile home park or gated community. It all goes to their head and they become little Hitlers.

Fact is, that moderator has very clearly shown that he backs those who say that we don't exist. His power as a mod has inflamed his prejudice and no matter what you say, he will refuse to see it. And the worst part of it is that his prejudice is the subtle kind.
Like the racist who says he has friends who are black, but wouldn't want a family member marrying one: Same type, but his prejudice is orientation bias rather than ethnicity bias.

You have shown that you did nothing to inflame things. Many of us have read the thread that you told us all about and we can see what was read by all who posted on it.
The only ones who were offended by what you posted were the ones who refuse to see the truth and anytime they are opposed, they get insulted.
More so when they are confronted with indisputable facts, that they cannot oppose without showing that they don't know what they are talking about.

Feel free to use anything I said in this post in response to this "moderator". I love to stand up for what's right.

[Promising Galahad]

I did say something in my PM that I'm sure sparked a response. I said, "I'm sure you'll tell me next that some of your best friends are bisexuals". Its been about a day and I haven't heard anything back yet.

[DiamondDog]

I did say something in my PM that I'm sure sparked a response. I said, "I'm sure you'll tell me next that some of your best friends are bisexuals". Its been about a day and I haven't heard anything back yet.

So why not write things in public?

Like I wrote before:

If it's so unfair and biphobic on the boards there, why don't more people actually do something and speak out about it and write lots of topics about it in public on the board there instead of just keeping it to themselves and whining about it whenever the topic comes up, or just keep it when they're writing PMs?

Or why don't they work with the moderators to set up rules so the board isn't so biphobic?

[Promising Galahad]

I agree. I wrote it in a PM because the topic had been closed by the Moderators. As for others, well I can not speak for them but wish they would become more involved. I asked a couple if I could forward their PM's to the mods and they asked that I not.

Under the appology thread by the OP the Mods chome in for no reason,just telling everyone how happy they are everything is back to normal and we're all happy again. I was tempted to reply but I am begining to think thats what the mods want. They just can't leave well enough alone. I really do think they prod and instigate looking for drama.If everyone is happy and geeting along on amessage board whats the point in having a moderator? I think my little bitch fest yesterday gave them something to do and more than likely added 5 years of life to them! :flag3:

[DiamondDog]

..........................hehehe...........Just like in high school, being intelligent, politically active, and socially conscience gets you picked on by the big bad bullies..
.. Geeze 'I m skinny too, I guess I should be oh so scared.

go ahead boys, ya don't bug me,
cause I got the blonde!

yeah but you're not any of those things and like Azrael said you're a charltan at best, and it's obvious.

You're one to say who's a bully and yet be the first to proclaim that you're not.:rolleyes:

So you settled for heteronormativity and fall back on it when it comes down to the brass tacks, that's your problem.

[Azrael]

..........................hehehe...........Just like in high school, being intelligent, politically active, and socially conscience gets you picked on by the big bad bullies..

The word is conscious.

[gfofbiguy]

The word is conscious.
:bigrin:;)

[diseminator]

yeah but you're not any of those things and like Azrael said you're a charltan at best, and it's obvious.

You're one to say who's a bully and yet be the first to proclaim that you're not.:rolleyes:

So you settled for heteronormativity and fall back on it when it comes down to the brass tacks, that's your problem.


.................................eh??? please splain in english?


...........................not to mention you really need to grow a sense of humor.. both of you..

[the mage]

The word is conscious.



con&#183;science /ˈkɒnʃəns/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kon-shuhns] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the inner sense of what is right or wrong in one's conduct or motives, impelling one toward right action: to follow the dictates of conscience.
2. the complex of ethical and moral principles that controls or inhibits the actions or thoughts of an individual.
3. an inhibiting sense of what is prudent: I'd eat another piece of pie but my conscience would bother me.


.....................keep laughing...In your eagerness to prove your worth in some sort of silly pissing contest you prove your ignorance by attempting to put me down without giving thought to the actual words spoken and the context.
Stop thinking that eveyone thinks, looks, acts, or spells, like you do.

[Azrael]

con·science /ˈkɒnʃəns/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kon-shuhns] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the inner sense of what is right or wrong in one's conduct or motives, impelling one toward right action: to follow the dictates of conscience.
2. the complex of ethical and moral principles that controls or inhibits the actions or thoughts of an individual.
3. an inhibiting sense of what is prudent: I'd eat another piece of pie but my conscience would bother me.


.....................keep laughing...In your eagerness to prove your worth in some sort of silly pissing contest you prove your ignorance by attempting to put me down without giving thought to the actual words spoken and the context.
Stop thinking that eveyone thinks, looks, acts, or spells, like you do.

That word is a noun, not an adjective. I'm not laughing.

[darkeyes]

wos bout 2 talk a rite loada bollox..unusual huh?:tong:

[*pan*]

hi , sounds like he is the one with the problem, poor soul lol. and thanks for being our knight in shinning armor defending the existance of bisexuals. bisexual have the best of both worlds and are not confined to same sex as the homosexual community is. but then i don't understand his complaint, but then i was always one to live and let live and always said everyone has a right to their own opinion. as long as it harms none. oh yea and for mister hammertank's assumption, well all i have to say is, i been bi all my life and i'm 56 yo now and married to 2 wonderful woman who know of my attraction to men and are ok with it. so what does this say to his denial of the existance of a bisexual man. i think he read some faulty data somewhere and thinks thats gospel, but like witches say never to read something like it was gospel no matter who wrote it, but always keep searching for the truth .

[MarieDelta]

wos bout 2 talk a rite loada bollox..unusual huh?:tong::eek: Fran, I'm Shocked! Just totally Shocked!;)

LMAO

[Promising Galahad]

Man, a new topic has surfaced. I have recieved so many PM's from people telling me things from bisexuality is like UFO's. No proof it exists. to that bisexuality is a lifestyle choice and so on. I've tried showing some in the gay community there is another side to the story but they aren;t having any of it. These gays sound exactly like homophic fundies and they don't even see it. Argh!!!!!! :flag4:

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=192139

[slocum5]

I need education. How does it serve the gay community to deny the existence of bisexuality? Probably a naive question.

[The Barefoot Contess]

I need education. How does it serve the gay community to deny the existence of bisexuality? Probably a naive question.

http://www.marxists.org/subject/education/freire/pedagogy/ch01.htm, or how the oppressed become oppressors.