professional dissention

[diseminator]

Law Enforcement against prohibition...

They see the folly in it.

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

[pasco_lol_cpl]

Since Sheriffs are elected and Police chiefs are appointed, I doubt that they would ever agree to this. But I do agree that marijuana needs to be legalized. Not my thing, but there is no scientific basis for its current classification and restrictions.

[Skater Boy]

Yawn! :rolleyes: Yet ANOTHER thread about marijuana! Are all bisexuals dope-heads or something?

[DeleteAccount1234]

Ewww marijuana....... so tacky.

[gfofbiguy]

Yawn! :rolleyes: Yet ANOTHER thread about marijuana! Are all bisexuals dope-heads or something?

I was beginning to wonder that myself!;)

[Skater Boy]

I was beginning to wonder that myself!;)

Er... really? Well, it'd be interesting to see what the statistics on that one are. Is there perhaps a direct correlation between bisexuality and drug use? If Frances, Tom & Co. are anything to go by, then maybe there is...

[DiamondDog]

Er... really? Well, it'd be interesting to see what the statistics on that one are. Is there perhaps a direct correlation between bisexuality and drug use? If Frances, Tom & Co. are anything to go by, then maybe there is...

GLBT people do have a higher risk of alcoholism but that's because of depression, the bar scene, self loathing, self medication with drugs, etc.

It's been proven with studies/research from various sources, and I've written about it before on here.

[gfofbiguy]

Er... really? Well, it'd be interesting to see what the statistics on that one are. Is there perhaps a direct correlation between bisexuality and drug use? If Frances, Tom & Co. are anything to go by, then maybe there is...

True, but.....my b/f is bi and has never tried or used any drugs ...and I'm str8 and I have tried/used some drugs in my past, mainly marijuana, so where does that put us now? LOL:cool: I was just making that comment because it seems like there has been a plethora of marijuana threads here recently

[Azrael]

Hey, I may be a stoner, but I do know that the word is dissent :bigrin:

[<<GOD>>]

Yawn! :rolleyes: Yet ANOTHER thread about marijuana! Are all bisexuals dope-heads or something?

Farts:rolleyes: Yet another critique on bisexuals Perhaps you should be God and then we can all grow up to be like you. :bigrin:

your friend
<<God>>

[Skater Boy]

Farts:rolleyes: Yet another critique on bisexuals Perhaps you should be God and then we can all grow up to be like you. :bigrin:

your friend
<<God>>

lol, I think ONE person suffering from a "God Delusion" is MORE THAN enough on this forum. But thanks for throwing in your contribution. ;)

[<<GOD>>]

lol, I think ONE person suffering from a "God Delusion" is MORE THAN enough on this forum. But thanks for throwing in your contribution. ;)

LOL Thankyou SB for replying in such a way that dignifies the honorable person I know you (at heart) to be. If we can't learn to occasionally laugh at ourselves then who else is there to laugh at but one another.

Your friend
A laughable (and always delusional)
<<God>>

[wanderingrichard]

Yawn! :rolleyes: Yet ANOTHER thread about marijuana! Are all bisexuals dope-heads or something?

so pedestrian, childish and 1930's...makes me wonder if they arent A) prostituting themselves to support their drug habits, and B) never got past the "Bill and Teds Excellent Adventure" stage of maturity....

BUT HELL NO! ALL BISEXUALS ARE NOT DOPE HEADS!! this is just another example of the few fukkiing things up for the many..

[DiamondDog]

so pedestrian, childish and 1930's...makes me wonder if they arent A) prostituting themselves to support their drug habits, and B) never got past the "Bill and Teds Excellent Adventure" stage of maturity....

BUT HELL NO! ALL BISEXUALS ARE NOT DOPE HEADS!! this is just another example of the few fukkiing things up for the many..

Who actually sells their body for pot?

Cocaine, crack, amphetamine sulphate/prescription amphetamines, meth, heroin/other opiates, MDMA/MDA/MDXX, and other drugs sure but you don't see any prostitutes selling their bodies for pot.

I'm sure that some prostitutes do use the money that they earn from their trick$ to buy pot but it's not like you see potheads/stoners in dark alleys, bars, online, and other places offering sex for pay so they can buy pot.

LMAO this reminds me of the part in the film Half Baked where Dave Chappelle's character goes to rehab and Bob Saget says "I sucked dick for coke! I'll bet you never sucked dick for marijuana!!!!".

[ambi53mm]

LMAO this reminds me of the part in the film Half Baked where Dave Chappelle's character goes to rehab and Bob Saget says "I sucked dick for coke! I'll bet you never sucked dick for marijuana!!!!".

Now THAT'S funny!! LOL

Ambi:)

[Skater Boy]

so pedestrian, childish and 1930's...makes me wonder if they arent A) prostituting themselves to support their drug habits, and B) never got past the "Bill and Teds Excellent Adventure" stage of maturity....

I assume you're referring to drug users?


BUT HELL NO! ALL BISEXUALS ARE NOT DOPE HEADS!! this is just another example of the few fukkiing things up for the many..

Well, I see what you're saying. But the two members who are drug users that I mentioned in my previous posts, do happen to be (despite their habits) reasonably healthy and educated individuals who are upstanding members of our society. So I think the ol' "junkie stereotype" does need to be re-evaluated. At least on this occasion.

But in all honesty, I think I'm inclined to agree with your views to some extent.


LOL Thankyou SB for replying in such a way that dignifies the honorable person I know you (at heart) to be. If we can't learn to occasionally laugh at ourselves then who else is there to laugh at but one another.

No problem, God. In fact, I think its good that we have people like you about to inject a bit of humour. I have many delusions myself, but being Godlike is certainly not one of them. Please watch over us all and protect us from harm. :)

[FalconAngel]

Well, I can say, without fear of contradiction that I am a fervent believer of the death penalty for drug dealers and their suppliers.

However, I can see the logic in what is proposed in that article.

Here are the pro's and con's as I see it. Correct me if I miss anything here.

We all know that drug use and abuse has reached epidemic proportions and unrestricted or recreational use of what are, currently, illegal drugs is a bad thing. But by legalizing them, you can;

a) place better controls on them
and;
b) tax them, just like they do with alchohol and tobacco.

The down side is, like alchohol and tobacco, there is still likely to be rampant abuse and missuse.

It is the missuse and abuse that frightens me the most. It's bad enough when someone gets behind the wheel of their car and tries to drive while under the influence of the depressant effects of liquor, but when someone is under the influence of a psychotropic drug, they can become not just a hazard, but an aggressive and dangerous weapon against everyone around them.

No solution is perfect. I see no way for this issue to be resolved completely or effectively by either the current methods or through legalization.

[DiamondDog]

Well, I can say, without fear of contradiction that I am a fervent believer of the death penalty for drug dealers and their suppliers.

However, I can see the logic in what is proposed in that article.

Here are the pro's and con's as I see it. Correct me if I miss anything here.

We all know that drug use and abuse has reached epidemic proportions and unrestricted or recreational use of what are, currently, illegal drugs is a bad thing. But by legalizing them, you can;

a) place better controls on them
and;
b) tax them, just like they do with alchohol and tobacco.

The down side is, like alchohol and tobacco, there is still likely to be rampant abuse and missuse.

It is the missuse and abuse that frightens me the most. It's bad enough when someone gets behind the wheel of their car and tries to drive while under the influence of the depressant effects of liquor, but when someone is under the influence of a psychotropic drug, they can become not just a hazard, but an aggressive and dangerous weapon against everyone around them.

No solution is perfect. I see no way for this issue to be resolved completely or effectively by either the current methods or through legalization.

Why not move to SE Asian countries like Thailand or Malaysia as you'd probably agree with their draconian and backwards drug laws on people who use, traffic, smuggle, and sell drugs?

People shouldn't drive on anything, even alcohol but if drugs were legalized/decriminalized there would be better control over them, control over people driving them and harsh penalties if one was caught, overdoses wouldn't be as common since people would know the quality/dosage/there wouldn't be any harmful additives, and there would be lots of control over who could get them and who couldn't.

I think that everything should be legalised as people should be able to put whatever they want into their bodies and no law or government should be able to say what a person cannot take or use.

[Skater Boy]

if drugs were legalized/decriminalized there would be better control over them, control over people driving them and harsh penalties if one was caught, overdoses wouldn't be as common since people would know the quality/dosage/there wouldn't be any harmful additives, and there would be lots of control over who could get them and who couldn't.

I think that everything should be legalised as people should be able to put whatever they want into their bodies and no law or government should be able to say what a person cannot take or use.


Ah, freedom! But look where that freedom has gotten us. How many people per year die of smoking-related lung cancer? How many people insist that *this time* they are gonna break the habit that is costing them thousands of dollars each year and bringing very little positivity into their lives? How many people die in alcohol-related car crashes? How many people end up hospitalizing themselves or someone else after after drinking too much? How many people have been abused (or abused someone else) after excessive consumption of alcohol? The list is endless.

yes, I guess you're right that we should be able to choose to poison or harm ourselves if we so wish to. But lets not forget that there are other people involved in each of these scenarios... the children who lose their mother to lung cancer, the families of the alcohol-related crash-victims, the victim of the violent attack carried out by a bunch of drunk yobs, the taxpayers who pick up the bill, etc, etc, etc.

Maybe complete prohibition isn't the answer. But I'm wondering if giving people the "green light" to go ahead and use/abuse these substances might cause just as many problems as it solves.

[the mage]

[QUOTE=DiamondDog;86344]Who actually sells their body for pot?

Cocaine, crack, amphetamine sulphate/prescription amphetamines, meth, heroin/other opiates, MDMA/MDA/MDXX, and other drugs sure but you don't see any prostitutes selling their bodies for pot.

I'm sure that some prostitutes do use the money that they earn from their trick$ to buy pot but it's not like you see potheads/stoners in dark alleys, bars, online, and other places offering sex for pay so they can buy pot.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>OMG I think the world is going to end...

I agree with diamond dog.............

[the mage]

Well, I can say, without fear of contradiction that I am a fervent believer of the death penalty for drug dealers and their suppliers.

However, I can see the logic in what is proposed in that article.

Here are the pro's and con's as I see it. Correct me if I miss anything here.

We all know that drug use and abuse has reached epidemic proportions and unrestricted or recreational use of what are, currently, illegal drugs is a bad thing. But by legalizing them, you can;

a) place better controls on them
and;
b) tax them, just like they do with alchohol and tobacco.

The down side is, like alchohol and tobacco, there is still likely to be rampant abuse and missuse.

It is the missuse and abuse that frightens me the most. It's bad enough when someone gets behind the wheel of their car and tries to drive while under the influence of the depressant effects of liquor, but when someone is under the influence of a psychotropic drug, they can become not just a hazard, but an aggressive and dangerous weapon against everyone around them.

No solution is perfect. I see no way for this issue to be resolved completely or effectively by either the current methods or through legalization.

..................the thing is ,,,in countries where dope is made a medical issue, not a legal one addiction rates have historically not gone up. Yes in the first couple years there is a spike in drug use but the fact is that over all 1.3% of the population is addicted. The REAL issue is that that percentage has not changed since the 1800's despite millions of people thrown in jail.

[the mage]

I thank you for some more or less rational discussion in this.
I see NOTHING wrong with talking about lifes issues on here.
Illness and drugs affect HUGE numbers in YOUR INVISIBLE community out there.

The world does NOT revolve around sex. It revolves around the interaction of human beings.

Now, to bring it home, I must restate my attendance at a lenghty conference last month (one of several) and the Latest word spoken personally to me from a federal government researcher working in the field of AIDS care and research (not working for the US gov't and drug czars) is that weed is non cancer causing. I know it won't be believed, but hey its just my life experience being passed on......

[slocum5]

Failure to recognize the "War on Drugs" as a futile exercise is a testimony to our lack of collective rational thought. Perhaps the war on drugs was worth a try, but when it's failure became apparent, we should have "punted" and began to think pragmatically. Most studies I have read have, more or less, concluded that drug use will neither be seriously curtailed nor seriously increased by legalization. Assuming that to be the case, let's look at the money and the potential social consequences:

. Immediate savings of billions of dollars on drug interdiction. (Educational programs discouraging drug use would be continued and enhanced.)
. The release of non-violent users would save billions of incarceration costs and reunite some families. Many of those incarcerated were otherwise law abiding and contributing citizens until they got hooked.
. The restoration of safe streets in America. (Drive-by shootings and other "turf" battles over drugs would cease. The only territorila battles left would be for street corners between the "hookers" who just scratch and claw.
. The de-funding of the drug lords in South America and elsewhere. Granted we might need some sort of a Marshall Plan for SA and Afganistan. Hey, I'm serious. South American countries could levy confiscatory taxes on the billionaire drug lords within their confines to provide funds for the government and also strip them of their power to control the politics with their money. Those murderous drug lords need to be imprisoned and stripped of their assets, but that decision should be that of the country involved.
. The establishment of quality, cost free drug treatment centers where addicts could find dignified care for their addiction.
. Cocain use could be expanded. Sounds crazy, huh? Not crazy if the increase in the use of cocaine were accompanied by a corresponding decrease of "Crack."
. The cost of producing marijuana is minimal. The price at which the government could sell it is already incredibly high. The tax revenue from marijuana would dwarf the tobacco tax. (Liberal politicians would salivate at the government largesse they could employ to buy votes.)

I have ten more points, but I'm sure you are adequately bored by now.

[Bluebiyou]

California, Vermont, Massachusetts...
Damn Yankees will be wanting to borrow our flag next so THEY can secede from the Union in pursuit of states rights over federal.

http://www.confederateflags.org/images/1nat12an.gif

But fly the 1st national flag of the confederacy. That's what some of us modern 'politically correct' Southerners do, when north of the Mason Dixon.
The Confederate battle flag (cross of Saint Andrew) raises all kinds of (historically inaccurate) eyebrows of disapproval.
Just remember not to fly the Confederate flag (1st, 2nd, 3rd, or battle flag) over the 'stars and stripes' within the United States. Showing pride is one thing, showing respect is another.

[wanderingrichard]

Now THAT'S funny!! LOL

Ambi:)

yeah it was....:bigrin:

[wanderingrichard]

I assume you're referring to drug users?



Well, I see what you're saying. But the two members who are drug users that I mentioned in my previous posts, do happen to be (despite their habits) reasonably healthy and educated individuals who are upstanding members of our society. So I think the ol' "junkie stereotype" does need to be re-evaluated. At least on this occasion.

But in all honesty, I think I'm inclined to agree with your views to some extent

yeah, i was.. that whole "stoner/counter culture/ whatever else" glorification needs to go away.. it's one of the things i think has destroyed our society here and seriously disparaged our nation outside our borders.. i can't count how many times i've been working in another county and had locals use the terms and lingo associated with that lower end of the gene pool as a way of familiarity or as an example of how we actually talk here in states.. personaly i find it insulting to humanity in general.

from personal experience, "educated" drug users are in need of help because it's a self destructive form of recreation. instead of going out and actually doing something that involves physical engagement, they divert inward and soon end up lost. kno of 2 PhD's who've fallen into that trap and at least one rhodes scholar..[ u know him as Whistler in the Blade series, tho he's since dried out and has actually tried to do somehting constructive with his life]

sorry, rambling, will come back at this when have some rest and my mind isnt so frayed.

last thot before i leave this for overdue sleep; mankind has been using drugs in various forms for millienia, this includes brewing and vintning (sic), for everything from daily use as common drink and pain relief to alchohol enema's to heighten the experience of drunken stupor such as the aztecs and mayans did.

it is only with the advent of "societies" and religious tenents (sic) that abuse, dependencies, etc. have become a problem. anyone care to explain that??

[wanderingrichard]

Ah, freedom! But look where that freedom has gotten us. How many people per year die of smoking-related lung cancer? How many people insist that *this time* they are gonna break the habit that is costing them thousands of dollars each year and bringing very little positivity into their lives?

ahem...very happy to say i am 9 months smoke free after 20+ years of reaching for the burning pacifiers... it took a lot of will power and 7 tries but i've done it..

[ambi53mm]

ahem...very happy to say i am 9 months smoke free after 20+ years of reaching for the burning pacifiers... it took a lot of will power and 7 tries but i've done it..

Congratulations to you Wandering Richard and to your continued success:)
We haven't had a ciggarette since 5.01.07...after hmmm 45 years for myself and 40 for my wife...and with the help of Chantrix we've begun a very long journey...we don't consider ourselves non-smokers yet...and maybe never will...lot of truth to the saying "old habits are hard to break".
Progress comes to us in small steps... and one day at a time...so now picture this LOL...a middle class couple >$100,000+... residing in our middle class home..situated in our middle class neighborhood...taking our middle-class asses out for an evening stroll...with corncob pipes jutting out of our middle-class mouths....but no ciggaretts:bigrin: We've traded our hippie personas for hillbilly hippie personas cuz

"I am who I am and that's all that I am". Popeye the sailor man (toot toot)

AKA Ambi:)

[jedinudist]

Yawn! :rolleyes: Yet ANOTHER thread about marijuana! Are all bisexuals dope-heads or something?

No, but many of us can see that this particular substance is much safer than allot of the legal substances available for recreation and being used as medication.

And we know that even though it may not be for us, we don't have the right to tell others how to live their lives. Just like the phobics and haters don't have the right to tell us we can't be bisexual.

[Skater Boy]

No, but many of us can see that this particular substance is much safer than allot of the legal substances available for recreation and being used as medication.

And we know that even though it may not be for us, we don't have the right to tell others how to live their lives. Just like the phobics and haters don't have the right to tell us we can't be bisexual.

CORRECTION:

Many of you LIKE TO ASSUME that this particular substance is much safer than allot of the legal substances available for recreation and being used as medication.

And your latter statement is irrelevant to my original post. I DIDN'T EVEN CLAIM to have any such rights to tell others anything of the sort. And don't drag bisexuality into this argument, please. By all means, be a junkie, if you wish. But the two things are not necessarily related in any way.

[wanderingrichard]

Congratulations to you Wandering Richard and to your continued success:)
We haven't had a ciggarette since 5.01.07...after hmmm 45 years for myself and 40 for my wife...and with the help of Chantrix we've begun a very long journey...we don't consider ourselves non-smokers yet...and maybe never will...lot of truth to the saying "old habits are hard to break".
Progress comes to us in small steps... and one day at a time...so now picture this LOL...a middle class couple >$100,000+... residing in our middle class home..situated in our middle class neighborhood...taking our middle-class asses out for an evening stroll...with corncob pipes jutting out of our middle-class mouths....but no ciggaretts:bigrin: We've traded our hippie personas for hillbilly hippie personas cuz

"I am who I am and that's all that I am". Popeye the sailor man (toot toot)

AKA Ambi:)

OMFG!! TOO FUNNY!!.. good luck to both