Happy holidays Mr Bush!

[Sarasvati]

I have a new question for the merry throng out there in bisexual land. Once again, this topic is unrelated to bisexual issues so ignore if this is not your cup of tea.

Suppose a squadron of spaceships descended on the earth and captured all of the governments on our planet and took them all away to far off galaxies.

So they took all the people in government whatever their personal status, all the presidents, prime ministers, chairmen, emperors, kings and queens, District Attorneys, sheriffs and mayors, all their institutions, legislative bodies, parliaments, councils, etc., etc., etc.

I have 4 questions for y'all:-


1. Would you celebrate this event?

2. Would it matter at all to you?

3. What would you expect to happen?

4. How would you personally react?

And perhaps for fun, how do you think our alien friends would be feeling with that lot on their planets?

[The Barefoot Contess]

Those holy aliens would be so appalled that they would return the merchandise in no time.

[TaylorMade]

Like it or not, humanity needs order. After the initial shock or celebration,we would probably elect or appoint another lot worse than the current set. Maybe a period of sheer anarchy would intercede. I would not celebrate... I'd try and arm myself in the first hysterical hours- - then I'd try to take power and possibly use it for my own selfish means. :) Maybe aim to be a village warlord. It'd be fun. :D

I am not an idealist (nor do I give humanity that benefit of the doubt), no matter how much I fool myself otherwise... I wanna be Leonidas badly, but I know in my heart, I'm Theron.

*Taylor*

[ambi53mm]

]http://youtube.com/watch?v=fiubdW3HREk

I’d fire one up and marvel at the possibilities… posing the oft asked question to my self.

“Will wonders never cease” ?

(My special thanks and gratitude to DD for the contained hyper-link)......lest we never forget

Ambi:)

[Doggie_Wood]

Our society, as we know it, would be in total Kaos! Civil unrest, riots, assinations, killings, total disregard for order and civility would run rampant.
It would be world civil disobediance and the earth as we now know it would parish. :eek::eek:

Unless we elect Bill Puliam, ace fighter pilot, as our next Prez.

:doggie:

[buck-rogers]

I personally would be terrified of total anarchy. And after our world turns into post-apocalyptic wasteland somebody evil would rise to rule it's shattered remains with an iron fist, turning chaos into fearful obedience. The governemnt does many things wrong but if they were to dissapear in a flash the results would not be pretty. :compuser:

[bigregory]

Love to see all the people that depend on money and the office die off.
Everyone for themselves would weed out the herd.:2cents:

[scubaman]

Might not be to awful bad if they for sure nabbed Hillary!

[darkeyes]

Bout time they turned up then..

[The Barefoot Contess]

Interesting how we criticize authority but when asked if we'd rather not have it, we panic because we consider ourselves unable to organize our own lives and make our own decisions. That it pretty much what Nietzsche called "herd morality". We need to get rid of the idea that some form of authority is intrinsically good and necessary. A little bit of anarchy would do as good, imo. Would there be chaos, violence and fear? Sure, but aren't those things part of our daily lives already?

[GreenEyedLady(GEL)]

Going to have to agree with Taylor on this one, as well as add in a little something of my own.

I don't think we ought to forget that we elected the people running our governments. So we are partly responsible. We " allow" them to do what they do, because we voted them in. We allow them to maintain us, and even pass judgments on us. And even though, we all bitch and complain, with ligitamate gripes no less, we need structure and order. Without it, it would be utter chaos.

As a corrections officer, on night shift alone , which I work, the ratio of officers to inmates in my postion alone is 168-1. They follow the rules, for the most part, if they don't they are ticketed, and a sanction is imposed. With that said, do I run that unit because I can take them all on at once in a disturbance ? No. They allow me to enforce the rules, and run the unit the as policy and procedures instruct me me too.

We all need structure and guidance. We just don't always like it.

[darkeyes]

Anarchy..proper anarchy..not the kind peeps, the authorites, the media, an many so called anarchists themselves depict as anarchy..violence, murder, chaos is no such thing. It involves peeps bein responsible for ther own lives an responsible for the gud of the community.. it is a massive exercise in maturity,self regulation an control an human beins cooperatin for the gud of all. Wer every 1 contributes an every 1 is responsbile 2 the community at large.. it is not an exercise in doin wtf ya like cos ya wonna do it... the community as a whole is the only authority if authority ther has 2 b an the community as whole is the only judge of wether a person actions r rite or rong...

But is humanity ready for it?? hardly..jus as we strive for ne kinda progress in makin our world betta, we strive 2 achieve the perfect human society (well sum of us dus..sum cudn give a fuk). Society changes wiv each generation that passes, an hopefully our species will sum day b ready 2 move on 2 the next stage.. in me own humble opinion a socialist society..but otha peeps hav different ideas.. an who knows reely wer will end up.. But in end..the aim hasta b a community of anarchy wer our descendants..long long LONG way down the line live in true peace an harmony, workin for the gud of all, wer authority (if authority ther is) is wiv the whole community not jus a elite of it.

Possible? Dunno...but me believes that its summat that we shud all b aimin for. Mayb its pie in the sky.. but democracy wos pie in the sky jus a few hundred years ago... so mayb it aint.

[The Barefoot Contess]

Anarchy..proper anarchy..not the kind peeps, the authorites, the media, an many so called anarchists themselves depict as anarchy..violence, murder, chaos is no such thing. It involves peeps bein responsible for ther own lives an responsible for the gud of the community.. it is a massive exercise in maturity,self regulation an control an human beins cooperatin for the gud of all. Wer every 1 contributes an every 1 is responsbile 2 the community at large.. it is not an exercise in doin wtf ya like cos ya wonna do it... the community as a whole is the only authority if authority ther has 2 b an the community as whole is the only judge of wether a person actions r rite or rong...

But is humanity ready for it?? hardly..jus as we strive for ne kinda progress in makin our world betta, we strive 2 achieve the perfect human society (well sum of us dus..sum cudn give a fuk). Society changes wiv each generation that passes, an hopefully our species will sum day b ready 2 move on 2 the next stage.. in me own humble opinion a socialist society..but otha peeps hav different ideas.. an who knows reely wer will end up.. But in end..the aim hasta b a community of anarchy wer our descendants..long long LONG way down the line live in true peace an harmony, workin for the gud of all, wer authority (if authority ther is) is wiv the whole community not jus a elite of it.

Possible? Dunno...but me believes that its summat that we shud all b aimin for. Mayb its pie in the sky.. but democracy wos pie in the sky jus a few hundred years ago... so mayb it aint.

Amen, brother. :grouphug:

[darkeyes]

Amen, brother. :grouphug:

Brotha??? God Barie..me hopes not!.

*checks*

Nope..no stickie out bits in me knickers...:tong::female::female:

[The Barefoot Contess]

Brotha??? God Barie..me hopes not!.

*checks*

Nope..no stickie out bits in me knickers...:tong::female::female:

Ooooops, sorry about that, sister! :tong:

[sammie19]

Possible? Dunno...but me believes that its summat that we shud all b aimin for. Mayb its pie in the sky.. but democracy wos pie in the sky jus a few hundred years ago... so mayb it aint.

I had to read this over and over again. You dont know Fran? These are not usually words that roll out of your mouth or from your keyboard. Surely not. Tell me it isnt so. Its the end of the world as we know it.:tong:

Much luv.

[Doggie_Wood]

....proper anarchy..... It involves peeps bein responsible for ther own lives an responsible for the gud of the community.....

But is humanity ready for it?? hardly..jus as we strive for ne kinda progress in makin our world betta, we strive 2 achieve the perfect human society (well sum of us dus..sum cudn give a fuk). Society changes wiv each generation that passes, an hopefully our species will sum day b ready 2 move on 2 the next stage.. in me own humble opinion a socialist society..but otha peeps hav different ideas.. an who knows reely wer will end up.. But in end..the aim hasta b a community of anarchy wer our descendants..long long LONG way down the line live in true peace an harmony, workin for the gud of all, wer authority (if authority ther is) is wiv the whole community not jus a elite of it.

Possible? Dunno...but me believes that its summat that we shud all b aimin for. Mayb its pie in the sky.. but democracy wos pie in the sky jus a few hundred years ago... so mayb it aint.

Fran - ya sounds like the script writer for StarTrek TNG. Only ya left out Capt'n Piccard.

I understand what ya gettin at tho. A eutopian society at it's best. But long far are we from acheiving such. Help from those out there in the depths of space, to understand and to adjust.

Although we see many times those who beleive that the need of the one out weighs the good of the many, it is at times, the need of the many out weighs the good of the one.

:doggie:

[darkeyes]

Scuse me doggy..is that not wot me jus sed??? All of it? Or dya not read wot peeps say properly?

[darkeyes]

An u wee Craigie..don b such a smart arse!:tong:

[TaylorMade]

Interesting how we criticize authority but when asked if we'd rather not have it, we panic because we consider ourselves unable to organize our own lives and make our own decisions. That it pretty much what Nietzsche called "herd morality". We need to get rid of the idea that some form of authority is intrinsically good and necessary. A little bit of anarchy would do as good, imo. Would there be chaos, violence and fear? Sure, but aren't those things part of our daily lives already?

But with authority, we have some recourse if violence is done to us. There is chaos, but it is controlled. There is fear, but some of it is of our own making and dwells only within the prison of your own mind.

With anarchy... no matter how you slice it, the weaker will be taken violent advantage of by the strong -- our fears will be real, the chaos untamed. Humanity simply does not have it in them to be a utopian society left on their own, and I don't think it ever will.

*Taylor*

[godowntogether]

I wonder how long it would take anyone to notice.

[darkeyes]

But with authority, we have some recourse if violence is done to us. There is chaos, but it is controlled. There is fear, but some of it is of our own making and dwells only within the prison of your own mind.

With anarchy... no matter how you slice it, the weaker will be taken violent advantage of by the strong -- our fears will be real, the chaos untamed. Humanity simply does not have it in them to be a utopian society left on their own, and I don't think it ever will.

*Taylor*
Taylor..ya may well b rite...me don know ne more than u wer we will end up.. but thing bout a truly anarchist society is that the weak r part of the community an r helped along by the strong, not gobbled up by em... it all depends on humanity achievin a maturity wich escapes us currently... me dus believe if we r allowed 2 survive as a species long enuff we shall reach that Utopia.

Think me has more faith than u bout wot we can becum in eons wich r yet 2 b... itsa dream...a vision of wot can b if only we put our minds 2 it... wivout dreams..wivout vision our species may as well not have bothad climbin outa the primordial slime...wen me sees wot we hav achieved since 1st standin uprite, otha than the destructive evils wich exist an the damage dun 2 our world, wen me sees the immense amount of goodness wich is ther all around us, the progress made because of the dreamers an visionaries throughout history, known an unknown... it makes me believe that my dream of a utopia can b realised... all depends wetha or not the bad eventually destroys the gud, an we can last the course... an if we want it bad enuff...

[TaylorMade]

Taylor..ya may well b rite...me don know ne more than u wer we will end up.. but thing bout a truly anarchist society is that the weak r part of the community an r helped along by the strong, not gobbled up by em... it all depends on humanity achievin a maturity wich escapes us currently... me dus believe if we r allowed 2 survive as a species long enuff we shall reach that Utopia.

Think me has more faith than u bout wot we can becum in eons wich r yet 2 b... itsa dream...a vision of wot can b if only we put our minds 2 it... wivout dreams..wivout vision our species may as well not have bothad climbin outa the primordial slime...wen me sees wot we hav achieved since 1st standin uprite, otha than the destructive evils wich exist an the damage dun 2 our world, wen me sees the immense amount of goodness wich is ther all around us, the progress made because of the dreamers an visionaries throughout history, known an unknown... it makes me believe that my dream of a utopia can b realised... all depends wetha or not the bad eventually destroys the gud, an we can last the course... an if we want it bad enuff...

That, and $3.50 will get you a hot cocoa at Starbucks.
Tyrants dream of utopia; what's your point?

*Taylor*

[darkeyes]

That, and $3.50 will get you a hot cocoa at Starbucks.
Tyrants dream of utopia; what's your point?

*Taylor*

Stuff Starbucks..wudn go ther if it wis last coffee on earth!

An sumhow think me jus been called a tyrant..mite b gobbby..but don think me a tyrant...but then thats life.. sum how don think yas got much optimism bout future of humanity dus ya Taylor... sad.. but them that has no dreams or believe in kismet r...:(

[<<GOD>>]

Taylor..ya may well b rite...me don know ne more than u wer we will end up.. but thing bout a truly anarchist society is that the weak r part of the community an r helped along by the strong, not gobbled up by em... it all depends on humanity achievin a maturity wich escapes us currently... me dus believe if we r allowed 2 survive as a species long enuff we shall reach that Utopia.

Think me has more faith than u bout wot we can becum in eons wich r yet 2 b... itsa dream...a vision of wot can b if only we put our minds 2 it... wivout dreams..wivout vision our species may as well not have bothad climbin outa the primordial slime...wen me sees wot we hav achieved since 1st standin uprite, otha than the destructive evils wich exist an the damage dun 2 our world, wen me sees the immense amount of goodness wich is ther all around us, the progress made because of the dreamers an visionaries throughout history, known an unknown... it makes me believe that my dream of a utopia can b realised... all depends wetha or not the bad eventually destroys the gud, an we can last the course... an if we want it bad enuff...

Truth and Wisdom lie within your words Fran.<<>>Your heart-felt faith in humanity gives hope to those of us<<>>that comprehend the difference between knowledge and wisdom<<>> as we struggle to keep alive that sacred spark that lies within each one of us<<>>against what sometime seems an overwhelming sense of doom and cynicalism.<<>>That You have learned to laugh in face of such odds shows the strength and faith in your dreams and visions<<>> I am sincerely humbled.

Your friend and biggest fan
<<God>>

[Skater Boy]

Y'know, much as I admire Frances, I do think that her idealist beliefs are a tad unrealistic at this point in human existence. Maybe ONE DAY we'll be ready live out her ideals, but I strongly suspect that were the authorities disposed with overnight, there would chaos. Maybe that "chaos" is mankind's natural state, and by running a "civilized" society, we are in fact doing something un-natural, I'm not sure. But judging by mankind's unregulated (and even regulated) behaviour thus far, I don't think that an un-governed world would be such an ideal place.

How would all this affect me? Well, given the fact that my fingers occasionally caress the keys of my laptop out of boredom or jest (rather than honest intent) means that a little psychology (or just common sense) is required to determine when I'm being sincere, and when I'm just having one of those days. Bear that in mind, if any of my previous posts spring to mind when reading this one.

So, again... how would it affect me? Well, for a start, I suspect that free education and healthcare would've been the first things to disappear. These things take organization on a GRAND scale, and I somehow doubt that we would manage them without some sort of infrastructure. This would mean that we, as people, would be far less educated and healthy in general. the mortality rate would rise and life-expectancies fall. the lack of education would mean that we, as people, would be less intelligent, and less able to achieve our objectives. this would have the knock-on effect of meaning that frustration would be common and would lead to the inevitable social unrest that comes with it.

Since there would be no leadership, there would also be no local authorities such as police, meaning that any unrest and disputes would either be left unchallenged, or referred to the body of society. If it were left unchallenged, then we would most likely see blatant abuse of the weak by the strong, as mentioned by someone else. If it were challenged by the rest of society, then it would have to be challenged by those fit to do so. and since most people would be uneducated and unhealthy, they would not be in an ideal state to enforce any rules. Furthermore, WHO DECIDES the rules? And if the people enforce their own rules, is that not just an unofficial police force? And what happens when someone breaks the rules? Without a state-run prison system, what methods of correction would we use? There are just too many unanswered questions, IMO.

And when you throw in the fact that currency would probably lose its value, and we would therefore have to revert to seeking material objects that might have functional or trade value... I think there would be plenty of theft and looting. It IS possible to live without money, as I suspect that Darkeyes would have us do. But we're talking a MAJOR shift in regime from Capitalism to... "something else", which would probably not be a smooth transition. And that "something else" requires just as much structure and effort as Capitalism, if it is to be successful.

Tbh, I think if just the POLITICIANS disappeared, then we would have no major problems. We would simply re-elect or re-instate people to play their roles. And perhaps even do a better job of it. But if the whole infrastructure of our societies disintegrated at the same time, I think we would have some serious problems. We might, however, be forced to face the reality that the rules of our own constructed and governed societies are, in some ways, currently more just and tolerant than Nature's own Law. And that might not be such a bad thing, in some cases.

Another interesting thread, Sarasvati. So, we've established that people and cultures are not equal, and now questioned the usefulness of our leaders. It'll be interesting to see where this is leading...

[TaylorMade]

Stuff Starbucks..wudn go ther if it wis last coffee on earth!

An sumhow think me jus been called a tyrant..mite b gobbby..but don think me a tyrant...but then thats life.. sum how don think yas got much optimism bout future of humanity dus ya Taylor... sad.. but them that has no dreams or believe in kismet r...:(

Fran, I am not calling you a tyrant. I am simply saying that Tyrants have dreams of utopia too. So to wish for utopia, it comes down to Whose Utopia? I may not like your vision of utopia... then what?

I have dreams, but they are firmly grounded into reality as they stand. That makes 'em reachable. And I love me some reachable dreams. Like I said in my opening post- - Damn, do I want to be an idealist, but realism and cynicism keep me from that luxury. I guess I am seeing the world as SB is seeing it. Anarchy is not pretty.

*Taylor*

[diB4u]

I have a new question for the merry throng out there in bisexual land. Once again, this topic is unrelated to bisexual issues so ignore if this is not your cup of tea.

Suppose a squadron of spaceships descended on the earth and captured all of the governments on our planet and took them all away to far off galaxies.

So they took all the people in government whatever their personal status, all the presidents, prime ministers, chairmen, emperors, kings and queens, District Attorneys, sheriffs and mayors, all their institutions, legislative bodies, parliaments, councils, etc., etc., etc.

I have 4 questions for y'all:-


1. Would you celebrate this event?

2. Would it matter at all to you?

3. What would you expect to happen?

4. How would you personally react?

And perhaps for fun, how do you think our alien friends would be feeling with that lot on their planets?





Interesting and yet a frightening question… Would I celebrate the arrival of mass lawlessness and anarchy . For when that happens, there as Skater Boy correctly states, there would be no health care, no police, no money nothing…
Society as we know it, will be transformed into a lawless mad scavengers, albeit ‘Mad Max’ films. Also I would assume that all religious leaders as well as political leaders was abducted. For me personally, the religious leaders causes more harm than any political leader even can do.. Look at the harm the old Pope did and making it illegal for women to use condoms, or something like that… Also denying that good catholic individuals get Aids.

Would it matter to me…

Yeah it would be, because when society falls, a new one comes to the surface… Human beings, although disclaiming to like order rules etc, will strive to replace the fallen governments with new ones… Who is to say the new ones will be any better? Look at the unrest of fallen Russia, civil unrest in Africa, more recently the trouble in the middle east… That is similar to what will happen.
In an almost Orwellian world - something will take the place… What would it be, a world where aggression and murder and rape is the norm? Or a world more akin to Star Trek will exist. Even in Star Trek, there is unrest, assassinations etc…

How would I personally react?

Well to be honest I have no idea, the notion that world poverty would be eliminated is a good idea… No more paying credit card bills that never go down because of not earning enough say someone who can pay off a very large bill in one go.. There are people who are like that…

The concept of no tv, no internet, no rushing to work, if truth be told, would scare me to death… It then would force people like myself, into the public kicking and screaming… Which can be a good thing, but the saddest result of the population meltdown would be, that we would loose art, history, books… Just like Hitler’s youth burned Jewish books, so would the new upcoming society and the future authority.

Furthermore, our history that we know it to be, the best and the worst would be gone… Important books, treasured adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Oliver Twist, Harry Potter and the like.. The idea that the bible, weather good or bad that the 4 to 6 Billion copies would be lost forever… 900 million copies of Chairman Mao (Mao Zedong) or the 120 million copies of The book of Mormon. Funny how that the Harry Potter books has out sold the Book of Mormon… Go figure? Although this isn’t a debate on religious practices, for I like most of the worlds one…

Personal treasurers of my youth would be lost, tales of The Mister Men, Enid Blyton’s Famous Five and the Secret Seven…

The books that made history what it was would be gone including; Scienza Nuova The New Science 1725. Need I forget one of the worlds best written story for its actual and fictitious accounts War and Peace 1869 by Leo Tolstoy… I actually read the first book… I couldn’t understand much of it, but I got the jest of it, I bought the 2nd book but never read it… Or works by Albert Einstein, Sigmund Freud… Books and Authors who have helped form cohesion in the world societies would be lost…


What would the aliens think??? Well I think that they would closely monitor our world, and the leaders of our world… Maybe they would spend eternity forever living out their lives… almost on a hollodeck which belongs on the Enterprise.

[darkeyes]

Skater...read gain..wer did me say the world wos ready? Did me not speak bouta dream an had faith in humanity an that utopia wud b long long LONG way down the line??

Taylor...Tyrants don dream of Utopia..tyrants dream of ther tyranny lastin foreva..they in charge no opposition an everybody scared shitless of em..me dreams of nun of that..but wer no tyrants exist an humanity is mature enuff 2 live in peace harmony an cooperation wiv their neighbours.

DiB.. Anarchy..true anarchy dus not mean chaos an lawlessness...it dus not mean no health care no education service.. it means the community provide these things an everything it and its members need 2 survive an thrive an b free from violence and crime... each individual by his efforts will contribute 2 the gud of the whole community an use ther skills for its benefit as well as ther own. Every individual will b answerable 2 the community as a whole. It is a way of society thrivin an providin the utopia in wich me believes.

Wot u think of as anarchy is no such thing...wot the press an government call anarchy is no such thing.wot many so called anarchists call anarchy is no such thing. It is a whole different beast. It is not chaos an disorder, it is not mayhem an violence. On the contrary it is a way of bringin order 2 the community in a self regulatin way by each an every person of the community.

It is centuries away..if not millenia.. it is a dream me belives in an believes is poss..a long time from now. Wot is needed will b provided an every member of the community will play is an er part... those who transgress gainst the community will b disciplined by it, an mayb expelled from it (tho personally am not keen on this idea...). Its an ideal... mite happen..mite not..happen 2 believe it will..but who knows wot the kismet is of the human race?

[Sarasvati]

Anarchy..true anarchy dus not mean chaos an lawlessness...

Wot u think of as anarchy is no such thing...wot the press an government call anarchy is no such thing.wot many so called anarchists call anarchy is no such thing. It is a whole different beast. It is not chaos an disorder, it is not mayhem an violence. On the contrary it is a way of bringin order 2 the community in a self regulatin way by each an every person of the community.

... those who transgress gainst the community will b disciplined by it, an mayb expelled from it (tho personally am not keen on this idea...). Its an ideal... mite happen..mite not..happen 2 believe it will..but who knows wot the kismet is of the human race?

DE I've just read through some of the posts here and I am struck by your remarkable personality.

You are a warrior Queen, the incarnation of the spirit of Joan of Arc, all dressed in tartan (wish you were a little more tarty than tartan - you are certainly tart at times).

Must just correct an inconsistency in your thinking:-

Who exacts the discipline in this model "anarchist community" of yours DE? This can not happen if there is no authority within your community. The moment you have one group making decisions about another within your community then there must be an authority. If there is an authority then your community can no longer be called an "anarchist" community. Anarchy is the absence of authority.

Furthermore, your anarchist community depends on every individual within a community happening to agree with each other, all the time, and happening to make decisions beneficial to the whole without any variation from that rule.

But it would be no place then for someone as monumentally brilliant and passionate as you.

[TaylorMade]

Skater...read gain..wer did me say the world wos ready? Did me not speak bouta dream an had faith in humanity an that utopia wud b long long LONG way down the line??

Taylor...Tyrants don dream of Utopia..tyrants dream of ther tyranny lastin foreva..they in charge no opposition an everybody scared shitless of em..me dreams of nun of that..but wer no tyrants exist an humanity is mature enuff 2 live in peace harmony an cooperation wiv their neighbours.


Fran, you are side stepping my point. What you consider utopia may not be what I consider utopia. So, whose utopia are we striving for? I don't consider a world w/o authority, in which the community provides for me utopia. You may consider my view to be a little cynical. . .so, whose are we going with?

That is the point I am getting at. The tyrant may think himself the bringer of order and prosperity. From where he stands, it is utopia. The people he rules over that are not in his favor will think opposite.

Humanity has too many internal differences for there to be a singular utopia.

*Taylor*

[Sarasvati]

Humanity has too many internal differences for there to be a singular utopia.

Well then TM, I think you and I aren't going to be allowed into DE's anarchist community with these outlooks.

And that's sad because she, like you, fits so well into mine.

[diB4u]

Skater...read gain..wer did me say the world wos ready? Did me not speak bouta dream an had faith in humanity an that utopia wud b long long LONG way down the line??

Taylor...Tyrants don dream of Utopia..tyrants dream of ther tyranny lastin foreva..they in charge no opposition an everybody scared shitless of em..me dreams of nun of that..but wer no tyrants exist an humanity is mature enuff 2 live in peace harmony an cooperation wiv their neighbours.

DiB.. Anarchy..true anarchy dus not mean chaos an lawlessness...it dus not mean no health care no education service.. it means the community provide these things an everything it and its members need 2 survive an thrive an b free from violence and crime... each individual by his efforts will contribute 2 the gud of the whole community an use ther skills for its benefit as well as ther own. Every individual will b answerable 2 the community as a whole. It is a way of society thrivin an providin the utopia in wich me believes.

Wot u think of as anarchy is no such thing...wot the press an government call anarchy is no such thing.wot many so called anarchists call anarchy is no such thing. It is a whole different beast. It is not chaos an disorder, it is not mayhem an violence. On the contrary it is a way of bringin order 2 the community in a self regulatin way by each an every person of the community.

It is centuries away..if not millenia.. it is a dream me belives in an believes is poss..a long time from now. Wot is needed will b provided an every member of the community will play is an er part... those who transgress gainst the community will b disciplined by it, an mayb expelled from it (tho personally am not keen on this idea...). Its an ideal... mite happen..mite not..happen 2 believe it will..but who knows wot the kismet is of the human race?



Interesting argument there Dark, but my idea of anarchy is opposite to your idea of Utopia.


Taken for wikipedia - Anarchism (from Greek ἀν (without) + ἄρχειν (to rule) + ισμός (from stem -ιζειν), "without archons," "without rulers")[1] is a political philosophy encompassing theories and attitudes which reject compulsory government[2] (the state) and support its elimination,[3][4] often due to a wider rejection of involuntary or permanent authority.

SO the idea of anarchism, is to be without rules and authority, your idea of workers being held responsible to a community is more intune with anarcho-communism or Fernando Tarrida del Mármol- style of order.
Infact anarchy would lead to a terror state, well in my mind anyway.. Without laws, because as far as I can see it... to quote the wiki pedia "there is no single defining position that all anarchists hold," beyond their rejection of compulsory government...

[darkeyes]

Interesting argument there Dark, but my idea of anarchy is opposite to your idea of Utopia.


Taken for wikipedia - Anarchism (from Greek ἀν (without) + ἄρχειν (to rule) + ισμός (from stem -ιζειν), "without archons," "without rulers")[1] is a political philosophy encompassing theories and attitudes which reject compulsory government[2] (the state) and support its elimination,[3][4] often due to a wider rejection of involuntary or permanent authority.

SO the idea of anarchism, is to be without rules and authority, your idea of workers being held responsible to a community is more intune with anarcho-communism or Fernando Tarrida del Mármol- style of order.
Infact anarchy would lead to a terror state, well in my mind anyway.. Without laws, because as far as I can see it... to quote the wiki pedia "there is no single defining position that all anarchists hold," beyond their rejection of compulsory government...
They r not opposite diB..theyr complimetary...1 wivout the otha is not my idea of how things sgud b or hopefully will b...

Ther will b no rulers..ther will b no higher authority..at least not an elite wich claims that authority..authority..as me has said before..if ther be ne is the authority of the community.. ther shall b no compulsory governemnt cos humanity will hav progressed 2 such a high level of maturity that none will b necessary... ther will b no compulsory occupations , no compulsory ne thin except respect for each otha an respect for the community as a whole.. nations will b redundant...no military necessary..the community will work an trade wiv otha communites for the betterment an survival of all humanity..for the protection of our environment..for all that is gud...not because they havta..because that is how they will wish it 2 b.....transgression against the community will b as near 2 nil as it can b made 2 b..because that is how peeps will wish it 2 b...

People within the community..an communities within the wider world community will cooperate for the gud an prosperity of all..because that is the common interest an how they wish it 2 b...

It is an ideal..an it is so far ahead of ur..an my comprehension, our capacity 2make it work, that it will no doubt not b as me envisages it... but the principle is clear..an the ideal set in my mind an heart.. ther a long way 2 go..millenia diB..many millenia..humanity is nower near ready 2 even cum close 2 makin it a reality..but it is feasible.. me passionate bout that...an if we survive as a race.. it is how me c's us as a species livin an bein.. an thrivin..

An Taylor ya don hav my optimism..an ya certainly don share me dream,..thats fine...how u c things is every bit as valid as how me dus... jus say this...within an anarchist world...of anarchist communites they will all develop differently an hav different waysa doin things..different reasons for existin... mayb ya mmite neva find 1 ya wud like..or feel comfy in...the community cant holdya..an ya wud hav the freedom 2 move on until ya did..or died... but wereva ya settled for ne period..ya wud havta contribute 2 the gud of the community.. well ya wudn..but not 2 sure how long they wud letya remain...

Jeez gals..its a dream..me believes in that dream.. u don..or at yas least question it..an its rite that yas dus..me dus 2 all the time 2..an that is rite 2... me sees things how things shud b diff from day 2 day week 2 week year 2 year..but the dream remains.... me will neva c it...mayb it will neva cum 2 fruition..but its so ingrained in heart an mind.. its a dream wich me will neva lose...

[Sarasvati]

DE I've just read through some of the posts here and I am struck by your remarkable personality.

You are a warrior Queen, the incarnation of the spirit of Joan of Arc, all dressed in tartan (wish you were a little more tarty than tartan - you are certainly tart at times).

Must just correct an inconsistency in your thinking:-

Who exacts the discipline in this model "anarchist community" of yours DE? This can not happen if there is no authority within your community. The moment you have one group making decisions about another within your community then there must be an authority. If there is an authority then your community can no longer be called an "anarchist" community. Anarchy is the absence of authority.

Furthermore, your anarchist community depends on every individual within a community happening to agree with each other, all the time, and happening to make decisions beneficial to the whole without any variation from that rule.

But it would be no place then for someone as monumentally brilliant and passionate as you.

What am I doing here, whoops

[diB4u]

They r not opposite diB..theyr complimetary...1 wivout the otha is not my idea of how things sgud b or hopefully will b...

Ther will b no rulers..ther will b no higher authority..at least not an elite wich claims that authority..authority..as me has said before..if ther be ne is the authority of the community.. ther shall b no compulsory governemnt cos humanity will hav progressed 2 such a high level of maturity that none will b necessary... ther will b no compulsory occupations , no compulsory ne thin except respect for each otha an respect for the community as a whole.. nations will b redundant...no military necessary..the community will work an trade wiv otha communites for the betterment an survival of all humanity..for the protection of our environment..for all that is gud...not because they havta..because that is how they will wish it 2 b.....transgression against the community will b as near 2 nil as it can b made 2 b..because that is how peeps will wish it 2 b...

People within the community..an communities within the wider world community will cooperate for the gud an prosperity of all..because that is the common interest an how they wish it 2 b...

It is an ideal..an it is so far ahead of ur..an my comprehension, our capacity 2make it work, that it will no doubt not b as me envisages it... but the principle is clear..an the ideal set in my mind an heart.. ther a long way 2 go..millenia diB..many millenia..humanity is nower near ready 2 even cum close 2 makin it a reality..but it is feasible.. me passionate bout that...an if we survive as a race.. it is how me c's us as a species livin an bein.. an thrivin..

An Taylor ya don hav my optimism..an ya certainly don share me dream,..thats fine...how u c things is every bit as valid as how me dus... jus say this...within an anarchist world...of anarchist communites they will all develop differently an hav different waysa doin things..different reasons for existin... mayb ya mmite neva find 1 ya wud like..or feel comfy in...the community cant holdya..an ya wud hav the freedom 2 move on until ya did..or died... but wereva ya settled for ne period..ya wud havta contribute 2 the gud of the community.. well ya wudn..but not 2 sure how long they wud letya remain...

Jeez gals..its a dream..me believes in that dream.. u don..or at yas least question it..an its rite that yas dus..me dus 2 all the time 2..an that is rite 2... me sees things how things shud b diff from day 2 day week 2 week year 2 year..but the dream remains.... me will neva c it...mayb it will neva cum 2 fruition..but its so ingrained in heart an mind.. its a dream wich me will neva lose...

Dark its healthy and good to have things that you hold dear.... I respect a person who believes in what they believe in strongly.... It does sound nice, ahh but if we survive eh? Should Human kind survive though?

[darkeyes]

Dark its healthy and good to have things that you hold dear.... I respect a person who believes in what they believe in strongly.... It does sound nice, ahh but if we survive eh? Should Human kind survive though?

Think me sed summat 2 that effect 2 diB babes.... big if....:(

[darkeyes]

What am I doing here, whoops

Been askin meself that 2 babes.. tee hee.

Everythin involves self discipline of a mature an cooperative species... dus not eliminate completely free will, for peeps may well always had that.. hav the rite an freedom 2 express it..but in end, if that is so, the decision of all of the majority of the community stands... sed as much authority if ther b..is wiv the whole community..not an elite...debate an discussion on all thigs will b open 2 all of the community an all of the community will decide action 2 b taken on ne matta... in the case of renegades who for instance takes the life of anotha by accident or design or seriously by his or her actions endangers the future of the community...shud ther b the odd throwback..the whole community mus decide the fate of that renegade. Butyas rite in essence..if we asa species dus survive that long.. we won need ne authority..not even of the whole community.. cos peeps will b mature an reasoned enuff 2 do wots best for the community an t may well mean a reutrun 2 sum kinda instictive behavoiur..so no discipline will b necessary...in time will we all agree wiv each otha an do wot is rite..bit like insects in a way. Gud or bad thing...gud question..me likes difference of opinion an gud barney..but in 10000 or a 100000 or a million or more years from now will our descendants have that? Toldya... lotsa things in me mind changes from day 2 day..an howeva smart arsed me thinks me is..me jus hasnt got every ansa... an neva will.. Ther jus 2 many imponderables....

Everythin depends on humanity bein mature enuff 2 make ne or all of it work..think we will if we allowed by time an our own stupidity to make it that far. But who can tell. Only thing we can say for sure...nun of us will recognise ne human way of life wich exists in such a distant future...

[Doggie_Wood]

I beleive someone once said that any form of a regulated body in which to govern the populace is doomed to failure. Some sooner, some later, but ultimate faiure. For we are humans with an endowed right of individuality each.

[darkeyes]

I beleive someone once said that any form of a regulated body in which to govern the populace is doomed to failure. Some sooner, some later, but ultimate faiure. For we are humans with an endowed right of individuality each.

Don disagree Doggie..all things end...humanity won last foreva.. an prob a bloody gud thing 2...

In itself is anarchy a way of governance??? Or is it a way 2 live??