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12voltman59
Nov 6, 2005, 12:51 PM
I have always had a deep interest in politics--I graduated college with a degree in Political Science. I focused my studies on the law, with plans to go to law school. I did not do that--at least not yet.

Over the years I have taken part in many political campaigns of people runninng for office at every level of government from the proverbial "dog catcher" all the way to the big Kahuna--the presidency.

I have mostly, but not exclusively, worked for Democratic candidates. I have worked for a few moderate Republicans and Independents over the years.
Even though I have done more with Dems than others, I don't consider myself a partisan or an ideologue--it is simply that as a rule, those who run as Democrats tend to hold to the values, policies and priorities that I find to be important.

In recent years I have been working as a journalist, so instead of working for candidates--to keep the journalistic standard of maintaining objectivity--I have had to limit my level of active participation. This is one of the oddities of filling the journalist role---you are present at the event or situation you are covering whether you are at a serious car wreck or a campaign headquarters on election night---you are supposed to remain disspassionate and removed from what is taking place. Your role is to capture and relate what transpires.

I provide the information above in order to provide readers with an idea of my background and as they used to say "where I'm at."

Now to get to the topic: what impact Bush's appointments to the Supreme Court might have on our country.

With the announcement by Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor that she desired to retire from her position on the Court in order to tend to an ailing husband--President George W. Bush finally had the opportunity to fill a court position with a nominee of his choice.

O'Connor's announcement came as a surprise, for consensus held that the first opening on the Court would come from either the retirement or death of Chief Justice William Rheinquist who was suffering from an agressive form of thyroid cancer.

Bush named John Roberts--an attorney who was highly respected by many in the legal world on both the right and the left to fill O'Connors seat. Roberts has served as an appellate judge on the D.C District Court of Appeals and once served as Solicitor General of the United States.

Of course, the situation soon changed. Rheinquist died and almost immediately Bush announced that he was naming Roberts as Rheinquest's replacement as Chief Justice.

Bush then named his current White House Counsel, Harriet Miers as the nominee to replace O'Connors.

That nomination led to a political donnybrook of sorts for Bush, already taking hits for the state of the Iraq war, the post Katrina/Rita debacle, and the growing political scandals regarding top White House staffers, Bush came under attack from his own right wing base over the Miers' nomination.

After taking withering fire from Bush's conservative base--Miers conveniently withdrew her nomination for the seat, citing that she wished to prevent a fight between the Senate and the White House over issues of "Executive Privilege." Interestingly, an exit scenario for Miers' damaged nomination was laid out not long before by conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer in one of his pieces.

Bush has now named Samuel Alito, a jurist who has served on the 3rd US District Court of appeals since 1990, as the O'Connor replacement. Alito was named to that court by Pres. George H.W. Bush.

Roberts had not served long in his position as a judge, so he did not have much of a record to gain a great deal of insight regarding the hot button issue of today.

Most of Roberts' record came from his time as solicitor general, but as he told the members of the Senate Judicial Committee who questioned him during the confirmation process--he was an attorney representing a client and the positions of that client-albeit the "client" was the presidential administration for which he served--an administration with a conservative viewpoint.

Roberts passed muster and he now serves as Chief Justice.

Alito's record is more clear. From what can be discerned of Alito--he is very definitely a conservative. His nomination has warmed the hearts of conservatives from across that spectrum.

One of the major goals of many on the right, is to have the Supreme Court over turn Roe v. Wade, the case that established the right of American women to have access to abortion.

While overturning Roe is a major goal of the right--that is but one piece of the prize that they have set their sights.

Recently I saw Robert Bork being interviewed on a C-Span program.
For those of you who don't remember Bork--he was nominated for a Supreme Court seat by Ronald Reagan back in 1987. Bork's nomination was, thankfully, defeated after a contentious nomination proceeding.

Bork is one of the guiding lights of the judicial right. He is a prime advocate of the concept that there should be a "strict intrepretation" of the Constitution.

During the interview--Bork clearly stated that he believed that Roe v. Wade should be overturned, as should many other rulings made by the Court in the past half century because in his belief, they are "bad laws."

Some of the other rulings that he believes should be overturned include "Griswold v. Connecticut," "Mapp v. Ohio," and a whole series of cases that were decided under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution that provided for the protection of the civil rights of blacks and other minorities.

(Griswold allowed free access to use of contraceptives; Mapp allowed for greater access to erotica/porn)

Do they think old Joe six pack will be happy when he can't by a rubber or go to 7-Eleven and buy a Hustler or Penthouse?

To Bork, he holds that we should only look to the Constitution for what was there as laid down by the "Founding Fathers" and nothing more.

Bork, and others in his camp, want the Supreme Court to invalidate any case that helped establish these so called "penumbral rights."

To Bork and others--they believe the court, when it ruled in these areas, exceeded the boundaries of the court and embarked upon "judicial acitivism."

Bork's desire is that his extensive list of 'bad cases" would be summarily undone.

If such a thing were to take place--it would set the clock back many years in terms of civil rights, environmental protections, labor relations, contraceptive rights and many other areas that Americans have come to hold dear as their rights.

He has no respect for the long term concept in law of "stare decisis" (the concept of holding to precedent).

It is unclear where on the spectrum both Roberts and Alito are at in this regard. I do wonder--do they hold to Bork's extreme notion that the "faulty laws" should be simply swept away or will they hold to the concept that these are the laws of the land, and that while they may find them objectionable--will not seek to push for such a dramatic change in the law.

Robert Bork is also affiliated with the Federalist Society. This organization was founded in the early 1980s as a way for those in the conservative movement to fight the percieved excesses of the left in the judicial realm.

The organization today is a large and influential entity with members who are law students, attorneys, jurists, academic scholars and others who hold to the view that the Constitution has narrowly defined limits.

I hold the view the Constitution, as do many in the legal field, that the Constitution is not limited--it is an expansive document that can change as the country changes.

Our Consitution is a great document that embodies the high ideals and concepts that the Founding Fathers set forth in the Declaration of Independence.

From the left/progressive side--there is no counterpart to the Federalist Society to argue the expansive position. There is now a fledgling movement by progressives to create something like the Federalist Society--I just hope that is not "too little and too late."

It is a good thing for this to take place--we need to have this discussion in this country.

We need to have law schools, colleges, universities, churches, civic groups, and others step forward to educate people about what these concepts mean and their consequences to our society--for it goes to the very fundamental nature of what the country is.

They need to have free seminars all over the country so that people can come learn, to be really informed and not sound bited--this is not something that can be fitted into a 30-second sound bite--it has to be explained in detail---and then let this matter be debated and hashed out.

Let the chips fall where they may then--that's democracy--it's messy but it has to be done.

The right is very adept at putting ideas out there and having them become the standard by which everything is debated.

I would hope that for those who are members of this website--you don't buy one of the biggest falsehoods of the day that "the media is so liberal."

I won't spend time discussing this issue--just look around--is the media really that liberal?

I will talk a bit about Rupert Murdoch's little channel: FOX News

You may not be able to stand it--but it is instructive to watch FOX if for no other reason than to know what the subject matter is for the latest conservative talking points memos that come from the major right wing groups, the RNC and the White House.

The latest thing to come from the talking heads---Bill Maher showed this in clip he had on a recent show---a term was used by guests and FOX commentators: "what we have now is a criminalization of politics."
The phrase was being used in connection with the investigations of Libby and Rove in "Plamegate."

Tom DeLay-under indictment for a variety of misdeeds--used a version of the phrase just a few days ago in a press release.

There are alternate media sources like Amy Goodman's "Democracy Now!", Air America Radio, Arianan Huffington's HuffingtonPost.com, Jim Hightower, TomPaine.com, Mother Jones and others.

For one reason and one reason alone--I wished that I did have bundles of money like George Soros or Bill Gates.

If I did--I would dedicate to spend every last red cent to get a true and meaningful discussion about what I have talked about here--that we need to have an open discussion about the way we want things to be--what kind of America we really want for ourselves and to leave to future generations.

That discussion is not happening--maybe the average Joe and Jane American doesn't want to have it and they will continue to be dumb, blind and happy so long as they can have their cable tv, their beer and all of --as George Carlin said last night on his HBO special--"their stupid shit"

I don't know if I am as cynical as old George (Carlin). I do think that the country is on a wrong path and something has got to be done about it--sooner than later!!!

I do know this: I don't want to live in the kind of America that the fundamentalist Christians dream about--I don't want to live in the kind of America the big corporatists dream about.

What kind of America do you want to live in? For those who will follow you?

I am not a rich person like Soros or Gates, so I don't have access to a bully pulpit. The way for me to do something is to start at the grassroots level.

I hope that you take to heart what I have said and consider it but don't take my word for anything--go out and educate yourself in any way you see fit--take part in anyway you can.

Join groups and orgs like MoveOn.org, Amnesty International or start your own. Move.On is pretty good because they do have money and an effective web presence.

Let's just start the debate....

arana
Nov 6, 2005, 2:46 PM
Thank you for this educational post 12voltman59. The past two elections have been a great dissapointment to me and it makes me wonder what people really do want. Jobs are going overseas and making it harder for people to earn a living yet big business is reaping rewards left and right. People are going hungry and living on the streets in this country that shouldn't. Soldiers are dying overseas when they should be here with their families. People are listening to the words of those like Ann Coulter who say some of the most rediculous things I've ever heard. It baffles me why Americans would want this to go on, then I see all these coverages of conspiracies and I feel like I'm living in some sort of movie instead of the real world.
Sorry for the babbling, but thanks again for the thread.

:tong:

12voltman59
Nov 6, 2005, 6:58 PM
One point I forgot to make in my major ramble---OK--if you buy Bork's view that there is at best, a tenous "right to privacy" for individuals, and we are going the set the clock back a hundred years of so for civil rights--lets undo all of the court cases at both the Supreme Court and appeallate levels that established that "corpoorations have the same rights as individuals."

There is no talk about setting the clock back to zero in that regard, and while the Consitutuion does not admittedly expressly have many direct references to personal rights--it says not one iota about corporations having any rights at all....they are not even mentioned.

In the beginning years of the country, the states granted corporate charters only for the production of a limited number of things and for a limited amount of time--let's go back to having the laws be like that once again.

If we are dumping civil and Consitutional rights for individuals, child labor laws, contraceptive rights, envirionmental protection and all that...lets gut the rights of corporations to do what they do as well...

Lorcan
Nov 6, 2005, 8:09 PM
Now to get to the topic: what impact Bush's appointments to the Supreme Court might have on our country.



It does seem as if the Supreme Court has the most power over our lives. I am neither a Democrat or a Republican, but all these very conservative people being nominated worries me too. I'm really fine with the Supreme Court being balanced with respect to liberal/conservatist opinions. But that's not the way it's going.

Makes our fight much harder.
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chook
Nov 7, 2005, 6:35 PM
I dont know what you guy's are worried about......try living in Australia where there is more politicians than per per head of population than anywhere else in the world all led by a shitty little dictator who bows to big business and of course Mr Bush



Cheers Chook :bigrin:

Brian
Nov 9, 2005, 7:03 PM
I love your post 12volt! I am a political junkie. Today is my super-busy day so I don't have time to reply, as a matter of fact I am only able to skim your post right now, but you bring up some great points! I'll try to come back at a later date and read more.

It looks like we are going to have an election here in Canada in the next 4 months. The Conservatives have vowed to modify/repeal the same-sex marriage legislation that was passed earlier this year; they have a socially conservative base to appease. But the Liberals are mired in a huge corruption scandal right now. So it will be good fun up here the next 4 months. :o)

- Drew :paw:

12voltman59
Nov 9, 2005, 7:27 PM
Drew--thanks for the kind words---I like this site a great deal. It seems that from the post from Australia and from what you describe up in Canada--extreme conservatism has spread to the major western democracies.

I hope that they don't get a foothold in Canada--if 2008 does not go as I hope it will--I am going to start packing my parachute and head for the exits to bail...there has to be some place left on God's green earth for moderate/liberal/progressive types to be left alone in peace.

My sis and her husband have already been checking out what they would need to do to go to Canada---they will be very bummed if Canada gets extreme right leadership too.

nakedambrosia
Nov 10, 2005, 10:10 AM
I believe that the tide is turning against the current administration. Various hits recently to include's Libby's resignation due to his legal problems relating to the CIA Officer Valerie Plame's unmasking (which is, to me, an act of treason and which involves more people than Libby who has become the convenient target though he himself was in the middle of this scandal) and the recent stories relating to secret CIA prisons in former iron curtain countries seems to have eroded severely the Bush Administration. Just read U.S News and World Report, Nov 7 05. I'm going to, at this point throw out a hypothesis, a brain teaser so to speak, which may not sit well with those who value the current administration. And this hypothesis comes from my extreme distrust of the current administration's "war on terror" mantra. How convenient that three terrorists blow themselves up in luxury hotels in Jordan just a week after the Bush Administration got slammed by a cascade of events. Now obviously Al Quaida (which I think I spelled wrong) took public responsibility. But back to those secret CIA prisons: what is Really going on there? Remember the mind experiments the CIA was conducting back in the 50's and 60's? What are they doing to those prisoners? And why, when the current administration gets in trouble a convenient terror attack occurs which brings about the worn out mantra on "the war on terror"? Just some thoughts. Just a hypothesis on what may be going on behind a very very dark screen. But the tide is turning. And people are asking questions.

nakedambrosia
Nov 10, 2005, 11:26 AM
I just want to apologize to you, 12voltman59, about my response which was kind of off your subject. I guess there are many issues on the plate-and appointments are one of them. It seems that there is a movement of intolerance from this administration towards social issues. There is also this mind set "if you don't agree with me you're against us" mentality. This push to place people in high positions with such intolerant ideas will affect this country for years to come. And this does not just include the abortion issue. We see it in schools where extreme right wing Christians attempt to introduce their Creationist adgenda under another name. We still see the minorities pushed down further into poverty. Do we want this in our future? I say no. And we need to express this when we vote. Furthermore, contact your congress person. Write petitions. And be vigilant, not only to bad appointments but to things that I alluded in my previous response.