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voicewithin
Nov 7, 2007, 9:36 AM
I'm new here and I need help. I have been a bisexual all my life.
I think I've fought it most of my life. I just didn't WANT to be. I hid for many years.
During my first marriage I was able to experiment a little which is when I REALLY knew and came to terms with it. My 1st husband was understanding and supportive.
We broke up after 13 years (totally unrelated to my sexual preference)
During my "single" time I was able to explore my bisexuality. I felt very comfortable with it. I've never "dated" a woman only men but have had sexual encounters with women friends.

To make a very long story short I met my now husband. Upon our meeting I was VERY upfront with him about my sexual nature. Told him it was not something that could be changed and in order for us to date there would have to be a very clear understanding of this. Like most men he was "all about it" until reality set in.
Funny all they can think is "woohoo threesome"

While we were dating we had one encounter upon his insistance, with a woman and he freaked. We were all drunk and he "pushed us together (in his words to see what it would be like) Had I not been drunk it would have never happened. He was fine when all started and he was the "center" of attention but when she denied him "access" and she and I started kissing within 30 seconds he freaked out and became VERY nasty towards me. At this point he had been very intimate with her already and all I did was kiss her. I stopped everything instantly and took myself out of the situation.

We never again went there- as he apologized and later stated he was/is a jealous man and could/can not handle this. He could/can never share me with another person. Pandoras box opened that night tho' I'm afraid because after a small moment of being with a woman again I forgot how much I missed it and the urges started all over again. Even tho' it turned into a very dramatic event. One of which I did not push for, he did.

After 4 years we married and here we are. He is not fine with it and now we are married.

I have a girl-friend that I've known for many years. I had slept with before him and during a "breakup" from him a couple of years ago. (We've been off and on over my sexuality) She is married and her husband is totally supportive of her and has full knowledge.

My husband is telling me now in order for our relationship to go forward I must end this friendship with her. He has said this many times before about not only her but a few other friends and I've always done it. Only to have him see how sad I get and say "please call _____ or lets go _______" It's like he pushes it and then gets mad at me! He even had me invite these same people to our wedding which they graciously declined because of his erratic behavior of "be friends- no- don't be friends"

I'm heartbroken and confused. Her and I have not been together sexually in a long time. We would like to be neither of us lie about it when asked. I believe in honesty.
He asks me and I tell him my feelings and he knows how we both feel but I have respected my marriage and not gone outside of it and she and her husband respect our marriage and offer nothing but their friendship. They keep their distance and NEVER even go there. They are very careful with him.

I feel like I should be able to discuss these urges and he see's this all as insult. I've tried to explain to him that people are attracted to other people everyday- but he says that married people don't yearn. That once you get married that's it! You are never supposed to think or want of anyones else but your spouse.
In a perfect world I suppose thats true but I've never believed that. People are people and feelings are feelings. You can not act on urges but you should still be able to talk about them.

I ask him over and over why did he want to marry me and he always says the same thing "because I love you" to which my answer is you love the "straight" me.

Can anyone help me out here?

I love my husband - when things are right I've never felt so much closeness or anything more perfect or right in my life. But this is tearing us apart. I've been reading things that say straight/bi relationships don't work. Like 85% end in divorce.
I don't want to lose my friends, myself or my husband but there doesn't seem to be any balance.

Bluebiyou
Nov 7, 2007, 10:02 AM
I have sexual desires for both men and women. Because of my own monogamous feelings I won't mess around. I know I can't have both at the same time if I'm in love. If I'm not in love/in a serious relationship, sure I'd love to do a threesome.
This is how it is for me. Others may be capable of loving more than one, but I know my limitations. It becomes a choice for me.
Hope this helps.
Side note: Speaking for myself, when I am (falling down the bottomless pit) 'in love', the choice is easy. When I'm just doin' time with someone I'm comfortable with the choice is much harder. Truly loving simultaneous bisexual relationships, I don't have a clue how they would work.
Is there actually anyone here who has a live-in relationship with both a man and a woman who you have deep 'in love' feelings for? I'd think this would be a tender and difficult situation in reality, and I don't think it happens often.

voicewithin
Nov 7, 2007, 10:46 AM
I understand what you're saying but maybe I didn't make myself clear. The issue here is not about threesomes or poly vs monogom. it's about friendships with other Bi women and how my husband is having a difficult time seperating the two.

I mentioned that we had had the threesome but not with the same lady- it was actually a person in HIS life which he still see's and talks to.

FalconAngel
Nov 7, 2007, 11:55 AM
The problem here is your husbands, not yours.

He needs to get over his jealousy and deal with your relationship and your sexuality. I know, because I was once a very jealous person, but I came to realize that being jealous is just being insecure.

How you can help him is to do the following:

1. Get him to read some of the threads on bisexuality and how it relates to relationships that are here and in other related subject sites.

2. Explain to him and show him how you feel about him. Do it every day and explain very clearly that you will not be leaving him for another woman.

3. If you haven't given him many details of your sexuality and how it relates to relationships (i.e. dating women and all), then do so.

4. Work out something that is acceptable for both of you so that you can express your sexuality without having to be in a position of feeling the need to cheat on him.
a) It sounds like that wasn't the case with the one, failed encounter that you had with him and that other woman.
b) There are threads on this point in the forums on this site and many ways in which to deal with it.

5. If it is at all possible, get him (eventually both of you for this) to a good counselor. His being jealous is a real and serious issue. If he's freaked out by you having female friends imagine how bad he could get if you develop good friendships with another man.

Above all of that, you need to be true and honest to yourself and him. If things cannot be worked out, then that is that, but as long as he is willing to make things work, then there is hope for both of you together.

vittoria
Nov 7, 2007, 12:42 PM
I understand what you're saying but maybe I didn't make myself clear. The issue here is not about threesomes or poly vs monogom. it's about friendships with other Bi women and how my husband is having a difficult time seperating the two.

I mentioned that we had had the threesome but not with the same lady- it was actually a person in HIS life which he still see's and talks to.


Now THATS clarity for certain...

I'm not a professional and wont try to act like one, but it looks like whats ok for him is NOT ok for you.

That has to stop. You cant see your friends (ex-flings, fellow bi women) but he can see HIS? But you 3 TRIED to have something once and he got pissed--JEALOUS-- over the fact you two were doing something? And it was someone HE KNEW?? Is that enough to justify denying YOU your feelings?

"While we were dating we had one encounter upon his insistance, with a woman and he freaked. We were all drunk and he "pushed us together (in his words to see what it would be like) Had I not been drunk it would have never happened. He was fine when all started and he was the "center" of attention but when she denied him "access" and she and I started kissing within 30 seconds he freaked out and became VERY nasty towards me. At this point he had been very intimate with her already and all I did was kiss her. I stopped everything instantly and took myself out of the situation."

Holy Crap. That sounds like selfishness to me--on HIS behalf!


Thats a "WTF" if i ever saw one... sounds to me like he was using the fact that you're bi as an excuse to try and screw this woman for his own selfish desires--prolly always wanted to and possibly had already screwed this woman for all anyone knows. Like I said, I'm no professional, and I may be wrong... this is only my opinion.



Wish I could be of more help.

darkeyes
Nov 7, 2007, 1:37 PM
Nutha reason me gave em up V.. in end most got this possessive "do as ya told cos me the man" bug... an halfa the buggas it wos ok for them 2 go out an lay ne thin that moves... but Fran wos expected 2 b nice lil 1 man Angel??? yea.. rite!!! Me don think so!!!!

slocum5
Nov 7, 2007, 3:23 PM
Your situation is extremely unfortunate. He is the villain. He was well informed and made the deal with his eyes wide open, then couldn't live with it. That is not your fault, but it is your problem. He reneged. Generally control freaks don't stop with one modification in their partner's behavior. Hope the economics of your situation are such that you can survice a split comfortably, if it comes to that. I'm not advising a split but control freaks are tough to live with. Stand your ground!

diB4u
Nov 7, 2007, 4:20 PM
O dear this is not a good situation to be in...
Who are you heartbroken over? The fact that your husband has basically said that you can't be who you are, or because of your friendship and part time love interest in your female friend?

The most important thing you can do now is to breath and to remember that everything will be ok eventually. Yes some men are like that, being in a three sum and the sole attention is on him, althought not always. I guess that whilst having a three sum is in theory every man's fantasy, in reality its a different kettle of fish. ( I havent said what scenario this is, mmm mff mmf fff) But to have a successfull three sum its about loving each other....

Well to be honest with you, if your husband has refused point blank to ever consider that about your sexuality, then the anserw at least to me is clear..

You have said that you've spent most of your life in denial (one way or another), so the question that you need to ponder over is this. ' Do I need to hide my sexuality for ever?'

The answer is no that you don't.

I know that you said that you love your husband, but to love someone unconditonally he needs to accept who you are. And he hasn't.

What does need to be done between the two of you, is honest and frank conversation... Let him consider what you have said, and say after the month if he can not get over your sexuality then you will have to make the final choice. I can only suggest, but I can't do it for you...

Look towards the future, visualise the relationship that you want, regardless of the persons gender. How do you feel? Think about this, call it an ongoing exercise.

If you think that enfact you only want women sexually then you know which path to go down.

However if you want to date a woman, take her out and be taken out then you need time to collect your thoughts, to ditch your baggage, take one deep breath and take your first step forward.

I hope that this advice has helped you, and remember for any relationships that you do enter into, please just be honest with the person upfront.

Be proud of who you are, be proud of your sexuality.
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ChsnyNLelandsBsh
Nov 7, 2007, 5:27 PM
I'm no expert but I say hes EXTREMELY jealous and a little abusive....may be a lil more mentally and emotionally....

and do not be who you are....if you are bisexual you are that dont let anybody tell you any different...

welickit
Nov 7, 2007, 6:00 PM
The man is a time bomb. If you think for even a moment things will get better, you are wrong. What do you do when you see a bomb ready to explode? Do you get away from it? Do you lay down next to it? Only you have the answer. Be honest with yourself because only you hold the answer to what you should do. What ever you decide, we wish you the best. We would go to the valley of peace rather than taking a walk though the other one.

voicewithin
Nov 7, 2007, 6:28 PM
Thank you all so much for your replies and I have to admit you all have said nothing that I haven't thought a million times over.

Maybe that's why up til the marriage we had a very off and on relationship. I always left (he saw it as I choose this life over one with him) which is not the case. I do love this man very deeply. I wish things had been much more clear before emotions got involved.

I don't think bringing him here or anywhere is the answer. He is not receptive to these types of things and only gets defensive.

He see's it as an attack and last night I was told I had been brain washed. That my yearnings and trying to explain to him that sex with a woman is different. He see's it as he likes brunettes and since i'm a redhead than he should also be able to seek his desires. I told him that's belittling to say to someone in my position.

Again - I hav only been trying to share with my partner my urges...maybe for his help in working through them. Videos or fantasy play. So far all that seems to be a poor subjuct as well.

When I call him on the fact that he regularly inserts MY bi friends in HIS fantasies he says he's just jokin or playin around, that i then get "all serious and want to take it further"

I'm not the one that comes home talking about this hot chic at work or that one he'd like to take home or etc etc etc

Maybe things are just hopeless.

voicewithin
Nov 7, 2007, 6:32 PM
I'm trying to answer things before he gets home- if he were to see this I know he would be highly upset and right now I'm not sure how much drama and arguing I can stand.

About being heart broken...maybe its a combo of all those things- loss of my sense of self- a marriage falling apart- feeling so damn isolated and different- losing long time friendships- feeling ashamed- depressed and OMG just so mnay other emotions,

31cho
Nov 7, 2007, 7:13 PM
"When I call him on the fact that he regularly inserts MY bi friends in HIS fantasies he says he's just jokin or playin around, that i then get "all serious and want to take it further"

I'm not the one that comes home talking about this hot chic at work or that one he'd like to take home or etc etc etc

Maybe things are just hopeless."

You are the answer to your OWN questions...

If he is regularly inserting your Bi friends into HIS fantasies, it is OBVIOUS that he thinks that real life should be like a porno... which it ISNT...

If he says "just playin" then he doesnt give 2 sh*ts about your sensibilities.

And if he's talking about "this hot chick at work" and all of that jazz, then he clearly doesnt care about you.... seems like Vitt was right in her earlier post (the theory Vitt posed...see either #4 OR #5)--he has other women on the mind and is using the fact that you are bi to try and get away with it... yet is a jealous asshole that doesnt want you to live your life as well.

I foresee an argument. And it wont be pretty.