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vittoria
Oct 14, 2007, 3:50 AM
"VoilÃ*! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a bygone vexation stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose vis-Ã*-vis an introduction, so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V." (to translate in simpler terms:Behold! Before you is a humble performer, cast, against his will, by fate, to the roles of both victim and villain. The face you see now is not just some mere facade of pointless theatrics. It is a remnant of the people's voice, which has since gone and disappeared. However, this past annoyance stands courageously reborn and has sworn to conquer the evil and corrupt, who promote greed and the violent suppression of free will. The only way to do this is with a war of retribution. It will not be a fruitless revenge, for the importance and self-evidence of this quest shall exonerate the open-minded and righteous. But in truth, this thick soup of words is becoming too excessive. So, let me simply finish by saying that it's my very good honor to meet you, and you may call me V.

"There are no coincidences... only the illusion of coincidence."


This movie,'V for Vendetta', which I have watched over 200 times (no joke) has, for my part taken the place of such films as 1984 when it comes to the topic of totalitarian regimes. However, it touches a different chord for me...

It deals with the topic of homosexuality/lesbianism/BDSM in a very touching and sincere way... How there were "Articles of Rendition" and persons were captured out of their homes, "black-bagged", shaved, abused, brutalised, and killed. How there were persons policing private citizens homes ( is there any such thing as private citizens anymore?), from just the airwaves, to phone calls, to cameras everywhere, to government run television. Where music and entertainment that didnt condone the "status quo" were strictly verboten.

1984 is more of a thoughtpolice type movie... condoning a strange war against an alleged foe daily to perpetuate a feeling of patriotism, sex was unclean, individual thought was forbidden; books were banned based upon the facts that were in them ...facts that the government wanted to keep from the populace---amongst other things...

In Gattaca sex was forbidden, in the case of children. It was best to have a genetically perfect child, any other child (a 'God child' or something to that effect as referred to in the film) was treated with contempt due to the strange desire to basically 'cleanse' the gene pool with greatness... Basically if one wasnt a test tube baby they got a sh*t job, was treated like scum; as if they were diseased, and discriminated against. Your blood dictated what you were capable of and what kind of employment you would get... amongst other things.


In Soylent Green mankind has ruined the earth. Water is scarce, 30 second showers, cigarettes that are mostly filter. Food is this alleged sea plant they call Soylent Green (theres also orange and yellow). Gasoline is scarce. Every natural resource has been depleted. The atmosphere and almost every living plant on this earth has been destroyed --so much so that a jar of strawberry jam is $200....and only the rich have access to such 'lavish' food... steak is rancid... yet expensive as well... and they, too, get water to 'waste' and shower in....

Here's the catch... in all actuality all of life in the ocean has basically died, leaving the sea kelp they call Soylent Green to also run out.. but they dont tell the public that... instead its law that once a person reaches a certain age, they have become obselete( reminds me of an old twilight zone or outer limits), and they get a last meal (anything they want) and they die while watching the memories of a world of beauty and joy long past...

only to be turned into food... namely the Soylent products...

Is real life turning into scripted apocalyptic futures?

"I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence."

Germanicus
Oct 14, 2007, 5:49 AM
Dystopian sci-fi - the perfect antidote to the Whiggish view of history

Personally, I prefer "The Day of the Triffids" as a view of man's hubris

Vox populi
Vox Dei

vittoria
Oct 14, 2007, 6:56 AM
havent seen day of the triffids in a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNGGG time :P

all i remember of that one was the guy that was in the bed with the bandages on his face from the poison on his face...

a definite must see :) thanks for the memory :)

innaminka
Oct 14, 2007, 6:59 AM
[QUOTE=vittoria;81322]"
only to be turned into food... namely the Soylent products...

Is real life turning into scripted apocalyptic futures?

QUOTE]

Ahh Soylent Green - Breakfast of Champions...........

Actually, I thought Soylent Green alone was human - the others were - just Soylent, which was why the populace loved Green better than the others.
It had taste!

Thanks for mentioning it. I thought I was the only person alive who remembered the movie.

Germanicus
Oct 14, 2007, 7:24 AM
Was it the Simpson's or Futurama which made a reference to Soylent Green?

I thought the 1950s film of "The Day of the Triffids" wasnt much good, but I recently saw again the 1980s BBC serialised version which still has the power to frighten me, which is in complete contrast to the book, which though dystopian, ends on a hopeful note

the mage
Oct 14, 2007, 8:24 AM
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Is real life turning into scripted apocalyptic futures?

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TaylorMade
Oct 14, 2007, 8:32 AM
Call me the cynic here, but I doubt it. I'd have to do some looking up, but there was a really good article as to why the dystopian futures of our literary imaginations are not feasable.

Scary times, true. . .but how much of that is the prison of our own paranoias and fears?

*Taylor*

fred jones
Oct 14, 2007, 9:44 AM
I saw V for Vendetta for the first time last week. A good flick! And it did remind me of 1984 in many ways.

darkeyes
Oct 14, 2007, 10:55 AM
Call me the cynic here, but I doubt it. I'd have to do some looking up, but there was a really good article as to why the dystopian futures of our literary imaginations are not feasable.

Scary times, true. . .but how much of that is the prison of our own paranoias and fears?

*Taylor*

Actually tend 2 agree wiv ya in a way Taylor... cept me reckons our dystopian future cud well be much more bleak than even our imaginations can imagine!!

History is fulla examples of humanity givin imself an erself a hard time.. an ther will b more yet 2 cum fore we disappear from the cosmos... its the fact that we r prisoners of our own fears an paranoias that make such futures jus feasible... an probable...

darkeyes
Oct 14, 2007, 11:01 AM
Was it the Simpson's or Futurama which made a reference to Soylent Green?

I thought the 1950s film of "The Day of the Triffids" wasnt much good, but I recently saw again the 1980s BBC serialised version which still has the power to frighten me, which is in complete contrast to the book, which though dystopian, ends on a hopeful note

Ifya can Germanicus..lissen 2 the BBC radio version.... its been repeated on Radio7 not so long back, an will prob b gain...now that is scary cos on radio, ya imagination don half run riot... film hitsya in the face, an the possibilties tend 2 b limited..but the written an spoken word dus play havoc wiv the mind..

On a liter note...Howard Keel (from the film version) still has a strange power 2 wet me mums knickers!!!

izzfan
Oct 14, 2007, 1:11 PM
I've seen 'V for Vendetta' [and read the comic book it was based on too] last christmas, I read '1984' when I was about 13-14, I've seen about the first half of soylent green. Never watched Gattaca though. Very good films/books though

Although these films and books are fiction I think they do have quite a bit of truth in them. I mean, I know it is repeated almost to the point of cliche, but look at how society is gradually becoming more like 1984 - CCTV, censorship, politically correct 'newspeak', greater state intrusion in induvidual life etc... [one interesting point for UK readers is that the totalitarian government in 1984 didn't have any kind of smoking ban...kind of says it all really about New Labour].

But yeah, as I've repeatedly said in one of my other posts, Governemnt control and restriction of consensual sex activities [like the UK's proposed "extreme pornography" laws] then it is definately the sign of anything but a free and democratic country.

I think an interesting point that films like this perhaps don't emphasise enough is that one of the ways that these kind of regimes get in is due to inactivity on the part of the people. I mean, if people stood up for themselves a bit more then we wouldn't have half of this dictatorial politically correct, health fascist, thought-police, surveillence society that is slowly becoming a reality.

sorry about all the politics :soapbox:

Izzfan:flag3:

void()
Oct 14, 2007, 2:49 PM
"Take away a person's future by letting them see it and you take away hope, you destroy their future." -- Paycheck

It appears we're being groomed for a dystopia. Obviously, the media foresees this in our future. Perhaps, we ought to ask how they see it?

Ten to one they'd deny any advanced insight, or even mislead folks to various wild goose chases. Setting a work of fiction regarding the future, does indeed take some bit of great observation skill. And maybe even guiding little birds within government agencies.

Assailing one with the image of a butterfly conditions them to see a butterfly the next time any photo is shown to them. Pavlov was a genius. Condition folks to believe everything is fine, they will believe it, even as tyrants crush their throats under jack boots.

Condition folks to degrade themselves to the point of loosing their humanity, and they shall. I've not yet seen either Hostel movie, choose not to. People actually pay to watch others tortured, quite sick and inhumane if I'm asked.

But, then humans are the only animal to kill for sport. Guess it all works out "fine" huh? I merely need to change my attitude.

And to which any telling me to adjust my attitude, I reply, "It hasn't a tuning knob, so go piss up a rope and have a pleasant day." I am actually pretty well adjusted, rational, calm, happy. Though, seeing how mankind (womankind, transgendered included) has fallen to utter mindless babbling babes, does frustrate and sicken me.

Last night, two attractive young ladies "helped" me clean our store's restrooms. Their idea of help involved rubber gloves, and passing me the mop, scrubber, and paper towels as they watched chiming out in chorus "I've never cleaned bathrooms before." Saddened, I sighed and dismissed them with, "You've done a great job. Go on back to your other work now. I'll finish up."


And another young lady apparently fell and spilled soda on the floor of the break room. "Ben's here, he'll clean it up." And later she tried unsuccessfully to degrade me in front of customers, co-workers.

I told her point blank, "you're seventeen and have a good mother, if you've not enough sense about by now to clean up your own messes, then draw no sympathy from me. There was a mop and pail of water back there all day, it would've taken you a minute." I still had to clean it up despite the principle of it.

Me ask for help or call off work due to illness or injury? Bullshit. I'll work even if I've walking pneumonia. Poor little girl chips a nail and can't do a damn thing, go figure.

But, that's how we're being programmed. It's why I don't watch television, nor pay much attention to the news. I don't care for professional sports either, they always display adverts and advertisers always find a way "in". adverts, media's last grab and media owned by the governments.

C.I.A operates by taking away communication, transportation, currency. Here in the states they've got communication fairly well under wraps. And thanks to the 9/11 fiasco, they're putting bows on transportation. As to currency, well they've had for a long time and will continue to. Do the math, it's all The Man behind the curtain.

So are we heading to a future presented as a dystopia novel? We're already there. "He who controls the future, controls the past." America won independence, and has been writing the history books ever since. History a spoil for the victor.

But some few of us do cling to Hope, Liberty, Freedom. They call us mad. Well, only the sane are dead, or worse media regurgitating robots. I'll be insane and live, there's more Three Stooges. :)

ambi53mm
Oct 14, 2007, 4:25 PM
[QUOTE=innaminka;81338
Thanks for mentioning it. I thought I was the only person alive who remembered the movie.[/QUOTE]

Very much alive here innaminka LOL...I was 23 when watching it for the first time..One of my favorites to be sure.

This movie had as much of an impact then, as it does now and comes to mind sometimes several times in the course of a month. Ironically while reading the postings on a different thread this morning prior to this posting ,it surfaced yet once again.

Just a one worded line delivered by Charlton Heston early on into the movie.

"Furniture".

Ambi:)

wanderingrichard
Oct 20, 2007, 4:09 PM
gosh, what a great way to start a sci fi collection, too!! thanx for bringing back the old classics, but i think we should have also included fahrenheit 451 in there as well.

definitely ' V' has become my recent favorite, many parts of it haunt me at times, and while i'd love to be able to quote that fantasticly beautiful paragraph dominated by V's, simpler lines seem to come to mind more quickly.

thanx again for bringing this up. if many of you recall, i had posted V's quote regarding Nov. 5th as my signature recently as a form of rebellion against the more liberal here who seem to think they can do a better job of running this country from across it's borders...

regardless,all the movies mentioned have great merit as warnings against totalitarian regimes, which should be taken as signs of the times for each decade these were introduced,.

sorry for the ramble, too many hours awake and not many dedicated to sleep right now..
Rich